Choosing the Right Asics Metaspeed for you
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- How do you choose the right Asics Metaspeed for how you run? What do you need to know to understand the two primary types of super shoes form all brands?
0:00 Intro
0:58 Stride vs Cadence running
1:30 Asics Metaspeed Paris series
4:06 High Plate vs Low Plate configurations
9:00 Super shoe matrix
12:46 Any questions?
13:29 Outro
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Hands down, this is the best video to explain the edge/sky dichotomy. Categorizing other super shoes was incredibly helpful as well. Thank you.
I’m glad it was helpful. That is definitely what I was going for. It really is a simple choice.
I agree.. Great video.
Agreed!
Agree!
Not even Asics themselves did this. Absolutely mind-blowing. Thank you!
Thank you. I hope it was helpful. 🤙🏻
Amazing, enjoyed the breakdown towards the end of the high plate / low plate shoes, thats really darn useful to so many
I’m glad it was useful. The matrix isn’t complete but it should cover enough models to be able to find one frame of reference for most runners.
Can this channel just blow up already? Literally the best running content on CZcams
Thank you for the support. Working hard on growing the channel for sure! 🤙🏻
The matrix at the end was awesome, amazing and appreciate the effort you took to make it and put it together! Congratulations!!
I’m glad it was useful. I appreciate you watching! 🤙🏻
Your videos are unique. I like all this technical nerdy breakdowns.
It’s what I do here for sure! Glad they are enjoyable. 🤙🏻
I dont necessarily totally agree. I got both and the Metaspeed Edge Paris feels both natural for my stride and I perceive it as softer. I think the closeness of the plate to your foot (just as it can close to the ground) can impact your perception of softness/comfort. I tend to agree that if you have a big powerful bounding stride and are really putting a lot of force into the forefoot to load it, the the Sky Paris is for you. If you tend to not have as big and powerful of a strife or roll over more (including midfoot or rear landings) then the Metaspeed Edge Paris is for you.
Furthermore, the Alphafly 3 is more Vaporfly than ever with more roll, higher drop, etc. As someone who wasn't a big Alphafly v1 person for similar reasons to the Metaspeed Sky+ (although Alpha v1 worked better because it was softer), the Alphafly V3 is better for me than ever. Similarly, the Endorphin Elite also works well just like the Pro 3. These shoes don't absolutely destroy my quads by forcing a big powerful stride that changes my gate like the Metaspeed Sky+ did (and to a lesser extent Alphafly v1).
Similarly, if you listen to how Puma talks about the "powerful propulsion" vs "lightweight propulsion" of the Fast-R 2 vs the Deviate Elite 3, it appears they are trying something similar and trying to have the Fast-R 2 be that big powerful stride type of shoe.
I will say that on the run the Metaspeed Sky/Edge Paris are closer than ever and the difference feels more nuanced. I can run in the Sky Paris without totally trashing my legs now because of the foam improvement, though the Edge Paris does still seem to work better. Both versions are much better than the + versions because of the new foam and lower weight. They still aren't the softest and are kinda on the Pwrrun HG side of things. They are no longer harsh, but are still one of the firmer super foams.
I agree fully that the difference between the MS SP and EP is very nuanced now. It’s as drastic as it was with the Plus series. It is why I feel strongly it comes down to feel (and perception as you pointed out) more than anything now.
By far best explanation of the difference on CZcams.
Thank you. I hope it helped! 🤙🏻
Dude this was incredible. By FAR the best explanation. You should teach (if you don’t already).
Ha. Partly that is why I started the channel… to educate… so win/win! 🤙🏻
Amazing detailed analysis. Thank you!
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Fantastic explanation! Thanks you!
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Gosh this is an absolutely fantastic explanation. Thank you!
I hope it was helpful! 🤙🏻
Awesome video. Perfectly explained. Thank you so much.
Thank you for watching!
Top tier content. Love your comparisons of the top super shoes
Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Amazing review!! Very detailed
Thank you. I hope it was useful for you. 🤙🏻
Thanks! That was the best explanation I saw on them
Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
Best comparison video out there for these two shoes. Thank you so much for making this!
Thank you for watching! Hopefully it was useful. 🤙🏻
Excellent break down, very helpful and informative. Thanks
I’m glad it was helpful. Happy running! 🤙🏻
Absolutely stellar explanation of the two types of super shoe. Thank you thank you thank you!
Thank you for watching. I hope it was useful! 🤙🏻
What a brilliantly researched and delivered review!
Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🏻
I appreciate your very clear explanation of the differences between the two shoes - the best I have watched so far. Thanks!
I hope it was helpful! 🤙🏻
This is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!
I hope it helped you make your decision. The Paris series are excellent shoes. 🤙🏻
I’m glad it was helpful! 🤙🏻
Hello. First time I come across your channel. I enjoyed this video! Very informative and exactly the information we all needed! Please keep on posting videos!
I’m glad this was useful for you. Plenty more on the way. Stay tuned.
Spectacularly informative and helpful video, the best I have seen on this topic. Just outstanding. Thank you!
I’m glad this was useful. Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
This has been one of the most useful running shoe tech videos ever. Thank you!
I’m glad it was useful. Thank you for watching. 🤙🏻
Thankyou for a brilliant video. Much appreciated sir.
I hope it was helpful! 🤙🏻
Great summary- very easy to follow
Thank you for watching!
Great video as always, the best video about the differences of these two shoes and the categoization of racing shoes in general
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Brilliant Review. Only review that covers form fit and function with essential explanatory information to make an informed purchasing decision.
I hope it was helpful for you to pick the right one for you! 🤙🏻
Most informative comparison video I've ever watched about shoes. Absolutely brilliant! Thank you for helping me to decide on my London Marathon shoe, looks like the Edge is for me 🙌🏽
I’m happy to help. A great shoe for sure! Have an outstanding race. 🤙🏻
The best video on Paris series!!!
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Very good informational video! You're awesome!
I’m glad it was useful. 🤙🏻
The BEST video explaining these shoes. Thank you!
That’s what was aiming for. It really is a simple choice for me.
Great insights .. thank you!
Thank you for watching. 🤙🏻
Finally found a video to know the difference between sky and edge, great work ! Thank you
I’m glad this was helpful! 🤙🏻
Thank you for this simple and direct comparison. Subbed!
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Best breakdown to date on differentiating the low/high plate super shoes! Now I see why the AF and Adios Pro 3’s are my favorites for race day.
I’m glad it could connect the dots for you. Hopefully it was time well spent. 🤙🏻
Great video...thank you. Just bought the Edge Paris. Looking forward to trying it out as I loved the Edge +
I’ve been really enjoying my Edge Paris lately, even more than I did out of the box. They are a great shoe! 🤙🏻
Superb job on video!!!!
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Great work ! Thank you
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Stellar explanation! 👏
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One of the best videos on the Metaspeed series. But the best in categorizing the shoes based on industry similarities. It answered my own questions based on my best marathon performances and the shoes I’ve worn those days.
I'm happy this video help to contextualize the other shoes. 🤙🏻
Great video, thanks
Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
Thank you for the breakdown and information! I kept thinking how Invincible gets complaints from both sides and plate configuration change ZoomX trainer into supershoe for specific runner who likes the foam but can't overcome specific things about it. I loved the video, keep them coming!
Thank you for watching. I hope it was useful! 🤙🏻
This deserved more views! Amazing breakdown. Thanks a lot. Sky Paris will be my choice.
I appreciate the support. Working on the growth thing here. Glad this helped you find the right one for you. 🤙🏻
Great explanation of the differences between Edge and Sky's design.
Thank you. I hope it was helpful. 🤙🏻
It was. I tried the Sky on Sat at the Asics store, now I have to go back and try the Edge, because although I'm a midfoot striker, based on yours and other people's comparisons to the Vaporfly (I have two pairs of the first version), I might be better off with the more aggressive feel of the Edge
Subed for such detailed high quality content!
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This is by far the best video I have ever watched with regards to running shoes. Great explanation and I can now go away feeling much more informed. As someone who has hypermobility, I have never loved the Alphas and maybe this is why...they are too unstable. Thank you.
Ya, that would be my guess. Your biomechanics need to rigidity of the plate near the ground to give your a stable platform to work from.
Thank you for the kind words. 🤙🏻
I have watched tens of videos about super shoes and ALL the shoess mentioned. I have owned almost all of them too!! hands down best simple in depth breakdown of the carbon plate tech as a whole.
thank you.
I am now more confused which to buy though. I love saucony pro and the speed but found them too aggressive for marathon. love the alphafly for bounce but the Nike heel arch was a killer.
thank you again
Given all that you have tried… at this point I’d try an Adidas Adios Pro 3 or the New Hoka Cielo x1… both are less aggressive and offer the roll and a bit of the bounce from the AF without the arch issues.
Thank you for the kind words on the content. I’m glad it is useful!
@@SagasuRunning thanks for the tip! I went crazy and tried the Adidas prime X strung 2. they were good for 20k then felt sore. maybe a bit tooo much foam! I have heard that the light strike takes a while to. warm up but once it does it's golden. I found that the ASICS superblast were a bit like this. I completed a marathon just this w.end in the superblast, they were lovely but didn't seem to warm up until 5 km. great til 35k then they didn't seem to have much uuummmpphh. cold also be I was tired !!
thanks again.will look for more of your vids
So this is fascinating. Having tried so many of these shoes and been Goldilocks (too firm, too soft) with them all, i recently became very attached to my Adios Pro 3 and Cielo X 1 shoes. To see them called out the way you did is validating in a way.
Those two shoes are a bit unique in the super shoe space at the moment. I’m a fan of the AP3, even with the upper issues, definitely. I’m glad this was useful for you!
Jees. You totally nailed it. You’ve articulated what I felt but couldn’t express when I made my first foray into carbon plated shoes last year - I hated that feeling of sinking through the foam when I tried on the Hoka Rockets, Nike Vaporflys and Saucony Endorphin Pros. Now you’ve explained it’s because the carbon plate runs along the floor of the shoe! I ended up buying the Alphafly 2s, and loved them, so I guess it is the Metaspeed Sky Paris for me! Thanks man.
I’m glad you found your way. Running is often alot of trial and error… but some things can be clearly said. I’m glad this helped with the Metaspeeds. 🤙🏻
Great comparisions!
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That’s such a great informative review.
I’m glad it was helpful. It’s a question I know many are wondering right now. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning edge Paris for me when it’s released in the UK.
Only the Sky is out in the UK?
@@SagasuRunning non as of yet. Is was meant to be the 4th March but disappeared off the ASICS website and now just says coming soon.
They explains why most UK reviewers are only covering the Sky and/or proclaiming it the best shoe already. How odd.
Great info. My favorite race day shoe is the alphafly 2, hoping the sky paris is close
Of the three AFs, the Sky is closest in feel to the AF2… you should feel right at home.
Best review of these shoes 👏
My actual initial impressions review will be on the channel tomorrow. Come back and check that one out. 🤙🏻
this should be watched by anyone before getting any shoes, man, you explained it very well,
I'm going to update and add to this for ALL super shoes, not just the Metaspeeds, sometime in May or June. Stay tuned.
Excellent video.
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Very nice video, I have the SKY TOKYO and was in doubt which one to pick but it looks like that for the PARIS generation I should move on to the EDGE version.
Yup, the Edge Paris is not exactly but it should feel familiar. Enjoy them.
Just watched again; great and interesting video
Thank you for the rewatch! 🤙🏻
This was so useful, thank you very much. I love the Alphafly1 and the Adios Pro3, both for their bouncier/firmer characteristics. Using your info suggests the Sky should be a far safer bet than the Edge. Great video!
It definitely should be for your preference. Good luck with them. 🤙🏻
Great video. Your explaination made a lot of sense. Based on this and other reviews, I went with the Edge (love VF1, 2, and 3; rear foot striker). Unfortunately, it just didn't seem to transition easily for me at my marathon paces. Reminded me of the Alphafly v1. If I focus on my form, I can get the shoe to pick up the pace. I also don't notice the transition issue at faster than marathon pace. On top of that, I had a quality issue with my pair where the right shoe heel bowed in more than the left heel and caused irritation afer 8+ miles. I returned the shoes and I don't have the energy to try the Sky. I will stick with the Vaporflys for now.
The MSEP is a great shoe, fantastic shoe, but it is still not a Vaporfly… glad you could return them. It’s odd to have a quality issue with Asics… their fit/finish is usually so high.
Great explanation and love the chart with all the shoes. Wondering where would you place the Puma Fast R v1 same spot as the Fast R v2?
Yes. Same basic low plate configuration… different foams they the v2.
Very insightful! The Superblast has turned out to be my favorite workhorse marathon trainer after watching your thoughts on them. Would you say the Edge Paris would be closer as a racing companion to the Superblast?
On paper the Sky has always been the companion to the Superblast. Mostly due to amount of foam underfoot. However… I’m a big fan of the Superblast and prefer the Magic Speed 3 and Edge Paris greatly for a plated shoe… so it can work well.
Thank you!@@SagasuRunning
That’s brilliant. Thanks. I’ve had 2 low plate shoes but don’t feel like I get a lot of benefit. Might try high plate and see if that makes a difference
Always worth a try, especially if you can try them on before you buy them. Usually it is a rather instant “yeh” or “neh” feeling.
Love the deep dive technical videos. They’re always so interesting to watch.
I’m definitely more of a cadence runner and tend to gravitate toward the rolling category of super shoes (mainly Vaporfly). But after trying the new Sky Paris, I could definitely see myself picking it over the Vaporfly for Marathon specifically. 5K - 15K, I think Vaporfly is still better. HM is a toss up, but still leaning Vaporfly. I feel that the bouncier, less aggressive plate configuration is more sustainable for races that last 2+ hours. It’s hard to ride a Vaporfly with good biomechanics for that long. I think foot strike is irrelevant tho. It’s more about how much you’re engaging the ride.
I still need to get my hands on an alphafly 3! Trying to dial down my marathon show for Chicago this fall. 😅
You are echoing my same feelings on the MSEP & VF3… it’s not about distance to me but I am finding the less aggressive plate in the MSEP is easier for more steady running. It’s not that the VF3 isn’t… it’s just use average runners can have sloppy mechanics, especially when fatiguing… the MSEP feels like it has a bigger sweet spot. I need more running in it… but it’s feeling like that early.
Excellent review man! Instant subscriber here. 😊
Happy to have you here and to have earned the subscribe. Thank you! 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning a quick question..... Between the Endorphin Pro 4 and the Sky Paris, which pair is softer, more responsive and has a wider forefoot? Trying to pick between the two to race the marathon distance. Can't buy both due to cost limitations. Thanks!
@romrome Endorphin Pro 4 on both counts. However the MSSP is the faster and far better shoe.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you very much for your insight, I truly appreciate your time :)
Very handy reference 👍
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I got both shoes today and is just back after trying both. I did 2x2k with both and 5k pace and preferred the Edge. Then I did 2x2k with both at my marathon pace and very much preferred the Sky. One noticeable difference between the shoes you didn’t mentioned is that the rubber on the outsole extends further back on Edge. I think that implies that Asics think Edge will be preferred by heel strikers. I’m a heel striker, but after this quick test my preference will be Sky anyway. When you pick up the pace they feel softer and more enjoyable - but I was faster in Edge because they keep pushing me forward in a different way. Sky is just great feeling and squishy, but it feels like I need to work a little harder to keep the tempo. I will keep both just for fun. And BTW, Sky felt quite more accommodating than Edge but both shoes were actually shorter in length than I anticipated. I think they are closer to original series in length (still little longer) but not longer than + series.
One things to add. I’m disappointed at Asics quality control, in Sky my right shoe is 165g and the left 174g. 9 gram difference! In Edge the right shoe was 172g and the left 167g. I think 5g is on the limit of ok. Also on the Edge pair the front of the shoes are not identical, the rubber goes up to a higher toe on the left shoe and the rocker therefore is not identical. On Sky they look identical but has this huge weight difference.
Wow very informative comment thank you! What you say it’s in line with kofuzi’s review and in my case the cadence /stride length data I extracted from my watch. My conclusion after watching this video is that if I buy the Sky I can keep it for Half Marathon /Marathon and use another shoe i.e., Adios Pro 3 that I already own for 5k -10k. Thank you for your comment and thank you Chris for making this video.
Great info! I found both Paris series for longer than the Plus series and TTS for me with absolutely zero fit issues or foot/toe problems. Asics race uppers are outstanding as well.
While I don’t think Asics has designed either shoe for a specific foot strike… I think years of Vaporfly running has shown us that it is optimized for a forefoot striker. It’s not that they can’t work for heel striking (they can and do) but that configuration just seems to favor the forefoot.
I had a 4g weight difference between mine. No QC issues at all… everything is symmetrical and clean. I actually have never bought an Asics shoe with any QC issues. Maybe I have a low bar coming from years of Nike. 😂
Really, an AP3 for shorter stuff? That is one shoe I think prefers longer steady stuff, more so than any shoe I can think of. It is because of that that the Takumi Sen exists.
Great video! I actually wear 3/4 length orthotic inserts and tried last years Metaspeed Edge+ and found that the ride was too stiff and loaded my calves more than I wanted (I sold them shortly after purchase). Your above video (and the other new video on the Metaspeed Paris) really illustrates the changes Asics made to the foam geometry and I commend you for that... great graphics! The Paris models are similar now with differing plate locations in the forefoot. I now see that last years model for the Edge+ had very little heel stack/foam which I certainly felt in the few runs I did (pace approx 4:30/km) and they seemed very "slappy" with the low plate configuration. I thought my orthotics were the issue but now I'm considering getting the new Metaspeed Paris Sky (based on your video!) as I really like the bouncey feel even though I'm a cadence runner primarily (plus I train in the Novablast 3 and 4 currently). I think the thicker softer foam in the Paris (softer than last year's model) up front and along the entire shoe for this model, will help soften the overall feel when wearing orthotics. Any thoughts on my reasoning? My race distance is typically half marathon as I focus on IM 70.3 triathlons. Thanks for doing these technical videos!
I think you may be on the right track with your logic… assuming they your orthodox and the high plate of the Sky Paris don’t interact somehow. They will be very close to one another.
Great explanation, low plate gang!
Low plate life! 😂
This is one of the better review as compare to others reviewer
Thank you for thinking words. I hope it was useful. 🤙🏻
Great video and explanation. I’ve loved vapourflys, but I’ve never tried a super shoe with a high plate / late rocker from the left of your matrix so I still don’t know which camp I sit
It is very much one of those things that you will have a preference for. Even if you like the feel of both your data will show one works better for you.
thanks appreciate this info as a beginner runner.
I hope it helps. A big part of running, especially early on, is finding what shoes and gear work best for you. It’s a process of trial and error.
I don't think I've ever heard a simpler, more complete explanation of the carbon plate shoe configurations. I would consider myself a stride runner who likes to feel the ground. That probably comes from getting my start as a sprinter. What would you consider the Adidas Takumi Sen or the Puma Fast-Fwd Nitro?
Definitely the Takumi Sen for you… the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite is another one I’d look at… also you may really like the Vaporfly if you have never run in it before.
Avoid the Puma Fast-FWD could be interesting for you but I think the Deviate Nitro Elite is a better bet.
Thanks a lot for this great video. When looking at my data, it seems that I am more a stride runner than a cadence runner (comparing the percentage of increase for both). However, I am more used to low plate shoes like the Endorphin Pro/Speed which I appreciate a lot. I have always thought that low plate shoes were softer and more comfortable for half-marathons/marathons and this was a reason I have made this choice in the past. But the new Paris version seems the opposite, with the Sky being a bit softer and still very comfortable. So I am a bit lost now to decide between the Edge/Sky. Also, I am still waiting for some durability reviews about these two shoes (the Endorphin Pro had a great durability)
It’s one of those days things that you need to try both. Moving to the different platform (low to high plates) will take some trial and error.
Durability is one of my biggest questions about the Paris Series. I’ll be testing them as much as I can in the coming months.
Really enjoyed the video. Do either of these options / super shoes affect heel strikers?
Generally speaking the Metaspeeds are ok at best for heel strikers. They are a very narrow platform, especially in the heel, with little rubber coverage.
That being said… either one will work. It still depends on the type of ride off of the toe you want.
I've subscribed you beacose I lern Eanglish and your pronansiasion ist emazing. Ofcourse I like running to.
Wow, I’m happy to help! Thank you! 🙏🏻
Thank you for your great review. When you say that the edge would be “stable” can you compare its relative stability to the Endorphin Pro 3/4 and the Vaporfly? Currently I've been racing in the endorphin pro but the Edge/Sky look very interesting for fall marathon season
Stable is very relative here… it IS a super foam super shoe… but compared to the Vaporfly I’d say the MSEP is better given the FFTurbo+ isn’t as compressive as ZoomX. Also the Vaporfly is actually wider in the forefoot and midfoot compared to the MSEP (which is very narrow). The Sauconys are wider and more flared on the sidewalls so would offer more stability over either, even with their compressive foams.
Thanks and once again reviewed this excellent video - took out the edge for a 10k first time and worked great and look forward to breaking it in even a bit more, however will this get me through a 1/2 to full marathon distance as I have done in the Ap3's?
It should. It is designed for those distances. Do some training in it to get used to how the shoe feels on foot and you’ll be good to go in a longer race. That’s one of the main reasons I advocate to do a lot of your training in your race shoes.
Easily the best video on this shoe
I hope it was helpful! 🤙🏻
im might not watched all your videos and don't know do you covers Saucony at all, but interesting to see you mentioned here.
Would like to hear your take on Endorphin series, especially their versatile super trainer which is speed series (latest is speed 4).
I find myself confuse with Asics stride vs cadence things hence I stay away but you are like the first reviewer to explain this in such manner. I wonder why people cant be like you, I even hear the Asics presentation and marketing, nothing explain like this. You are one hell of a product designer.
I don’t have alot to say on Saucony. I give the Endorphin series credit for what it’s done and how runners have adopted them… but my few experiences with the brands shoes have been “meh” at best. I do plan on eventually getting a pair of Speed 4s (once I can find them, Saucony is rare here in Taiwan)… I’ll go into more depth there. Stay tuned.
Superb video on the comparisons, the best so far. If you had to compare one to the ride of the Superblast ( which I love ) which would it be, I’m guessing the “Sky” ?
Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Yes, the Sky Paris has the most similar ride to the Superblast… tons of foam under the foot and on toe off…
@@SagasuRunning much appreciated Sir, I was honestly struggling with which one to side with but after your review and reply that’s no longer an issue 🤝🏻
@RunningWithDanny I’m glad it was helpful. Enjoy them when they show up!
Great video
I have run multiple marathons in the adios pro 3
I can’t really tell what / why it works so well for me
Probably a combination of the firmness / bounce you get even late in a marathon and I also seem to be able to get into a rhythm with it -
If you had to choose one that’s closer to the adios pro 3 overall - what would you choose?
Thanks !
The Metaspeed Sky… it has that endless foam feeling in the forefoot. The rocker is a little later in it but it should feel pretty natural coming from the AP3 midsole.
This video was awesome! how would you categorise the NB SC Elite v3? I know you mention the v4, however, the v4 feels very different to me. The v3 is one of my favourite ever shoes, especially as a heavier runner.
The previous SC Elites and Trainers all have been low plate configuration.
@@SagasuRunningthat explains it - thanks!
Really a good video 💪. And a super good explanation 👍 I think I'll start by buying Sky 🤔. And wait to test the Edge until the price has dropped on them.
Ha… hopefully the Sky Paris is the one for you and by the time the Edge Paris is on sale (it will be a while) you ready know the Sky was the right choice.
@@SagasuRunning 👍 Thank you very much for your answer 🙂. But after watching your great video. And especially the way you showed the difference in the super shoes 💪. I thought maybe Edge would work for me🤔. Because I am really happy with the new Puma Fast-R 2. It has really surprised me.
Normally I don't care too much about the weight of the shoes, as I'm a bit heavy. But I think it is deeply impressive what Asics has managed with these two new shoes in terms of sheer weight. They are significantly lighter than Fast-R 2 😱
To be fair… the Fast R is built like a tank… I had it in my hands a few weeks ago and was shocked how heavy and solid the shoe felt.
@@SagasuRunning I understand what you mean 👍 But once you get it up to speed. Then it's a super good shoe. Far better than v1 and puma's other shoes in my opinion, but I'm probably also a little different from others. My favorite shoe is the Prime X. And even if I had to run a 5-10 km I would choose them over a pair of Vaporflys. I'll admit it's a little weird but that's really how I feel. But I often recommend Vaporfly to others for the simple reason that many love them just like you. This is also why I find it exciting to follow your channel. Because we have very different tastes when it comes to shoes. But then again, it's probably me who's a bit strange
Unfortunately ASICS typically doesn't drop the price on their premium shoes.
I have a strong sentimental bias towards the Sky but Edge seems to be a better feel. So I can't decide. I was waiting for Chris' video. Kofuzi also released a comparison video his explanation is heel strike / 5 -10k--> Edge, fore-strike /marathon --> Sky.
Having said that, Chris is a fore striker and he likes Edge.
Great video! My cadence is around 200. I'm a heel to mid shuffler, weighing 70kg. Would I likely fall into the Edge or Sky category? Thanks
Hard to say. Really depends on the type of forefoot feeling you want. Either shoe will work.
Great video. Did you size up for the pair of edge that you bought? Thanks
Nope, went TTS. Same size I went for in any other Asics (or most other running shoes). I talk about it in my actual review for this shoe here: czcams.com/video/uv3jxq7UfYo/video.html
Really interesting thoughts. I'm wondering if the plate design and configuration can tell us anything about the plated trainers, knowing that some use a plate to stabilize the shoe while some seem to use it more to provide propulsion.
In both high and low configurations the plate is there to stabilize (mostly)… it’s just different approaches to it. The high plate is more literal, making a uniform platform for the foot to press against, while in the low plate it is there to ride on the ground to stabilize. The angle in the midfoot and amount of toe spring are what determine propulsion I think. I have some superheroes here that I may expand on later this year in a video. I’m waiting to see what Adidas does next and then what Nike leaks are for 2025… there are some crazy things on the horizon for both.
Easily the best video, eith detail about the different types.
I have the Endorphin pro 4 and speed 3.
I also have the mizuno wave rebellion. Where would they sit, in your opinion ?
Thanks
The Endorphins are low and the Mizuno is technically low but Mizuno’s plate dynamics are unique and it may ride more like a high. I don’t run in Mizuno so I’m not sure…
best scientific review of running shoes
Maybe not scientific, but I'm glad it was helpful. 🤙🏻
Was perplexed on the weekend ... Everything about my running is edge paris:
A) high cadence runner i average easy runs and well paced runs at 180, on tempo would be 190+ ..170 and under can get very awkward for me (not genetically gifted, got short legs)
B) got vaporfly and endorphin pro, shoes of which i love/run the most in.. they're the only carbon plate shoes i ever own
C) My stride length doesn't go beyond 1.00 m, it usually stays steady at 0.92
D) reasearched long enough, to decide the edge is for me, incl. this video
Went to the Asics store, to find i preferred the Sky.. though, ran only like 10 meters for both of them, not long enough to determine anything.. by definitely Sky over Edge, for me, not even close, by a long way..
Btw never had any intention in owning a pair, just wanted to understand,... But now im confused! But actually, walked in the store as an exclusive saucony runner, walked out knowing asics is gonna one day join the family... Damn, that shoe felt amazing.. its like the vaporly 2 (esp. the upper) but made with my idea of comfort in mind
We are very similar as far as our run dynamics, cadence and stride length. This is why I stress it’s not cadence vs stride…. Is run feel. Do you like bounce or roll. That’s determined it and either shoe will work for either type of runner, though there likely is biomechanicaly a “correct” shoe for you.
I’ve been quite impressed with the Metaspeed Edge Paris and have been spending quite a bit of time in it lately.
Which pair for just walking around in? Quite liked the adidas, great video, now I know all about the runners
Neither of the Metaspeeds and none of the super shoes featured in this video. They are all for performance road racing and are absolutely awful for walking in and even worst for casual wear.
Excellent. So, Sky High / Low Edge.
Can I therefore infer that Alphaflys are more suited to Stride runners and Vaporflys to cadence runners?
And when I first bought the VF1 I always thought of them as bouncy - perhaps that’s how they felt compared to the flats at the time..
You could say that, but this is where the whole stride vs cadence thing break down for me. The Alphafly is for those who like bounding and bouncy… but her could be either camp… I though I would lean towards those with longer more power strides to put more energy into the pods each strike.
I remember coming from flats to VF4%…. It was night and day. Even the Zoom Fly felt soft and bouncy back then. Foams have definitely changed since.
What's your impression on midsole and outsole durability? Will it be comparable to the Adios Pro 3 where I can train and race in the same pair?
Shoes are getting really expensive lately and going forward I'm thinking of just sticking to a two shoe rotation. Novablast 4/Superblast for training and a race day shoe like the Adios 3.
Another question on the fit of these Metaspeed? Are they more narrow than the Boston 12 and Adios 3? I really like the fit of the Boston upper that I wish Adidas would put a Boston 12 upper on the upcoming Adios 4 update.
This is the fundamental question about the Metaspeed Paris series… how durable is the foam. The his will be the decider if it’s a good or great shoe. My gut right now says it’s more durable than ZoomX was in 2017, but I only have 30k into my pair. This will be something I watch closely as I pour kms into my pair in the coming weeks/months.
The Edge Pairs and Sky Paris are much more narrow in fit and as shoes than the B12 or AP3. In fact they are much closer to the Takumi Sen in outsole with… though the latter and upper fit isn’t as narrow.
It looks like the Adios Pro 4 is getting a micro mesh upper similar to the current Evo 1 and the new Evo C is getting something that looks like the Celermesh currently used on the AP3. Unknown how these fit… but I’d expect both the have the wide last of the AP3/A8/B12.
I really liked to feeling of running in the adios pro 3 but am unable to run in it due to cuts my heels, was looking at getting either of the metaspeeds, as a very toey runner and previously liking the feeling of the adios pro 3 which would you suggest to go with?
As I said in the video… the AP3 can go either way. Did you like the rolling feeling of the AP3 off of the toe (Edge). or the bounce in the forefoot (Sky).
Where would Mizuno Rebellion 2 fit? My guess would be "middle" category similarly to Cielo X and Adios Pro 3, but I'm interested in your opinions.
I’m not up to speed to Mizuno’s tech. I’ll eventually get there but I might not be until next year. I will get there eventually. 🤙🏻
My current carbon plated shoes is the Underarmour Velocity Elite. Which one would you recommend to be my next shoes between the Sky & Edge Paris?
Likely the Edge Paris is where you should start. It has a similar plate configuration to the UA…
Best supershoe video ever. Endorphin Elite is ❤.
I don’t think I agree… but happy that you found the content useful. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunning very instructive. Your explanations are very orientatives and simples. The simplicity is good when you describe the feeling clearly without technique words 😉💪🏻
I’m happy to hear that! 🤙🏻
As a heavy forefoot striker, I think the Sky Paris is for me. I loved the v1 (600km) so with the Paris with a softer and more responsive midsole and the significant weight reduction overall, this is a sure buy for me. Asics are onto something.
The v1 Sky has a low plate configuration… so you might want to check the Edge Paris first. Unless you did run in the Sky+, which introduced the high plate.
Vaporflys have low plate and I love that and Alphaflys have high plate and I love that too so I don't know, I guess it's just the midsole for me not the position of the plate. However, Sky Paris will give the light and snappiness of the Vaporfly with a Alphafly-like setup which is going to be awesome especially with the amazing weight reduction.
@NeillyVille On paper that should be the case for the Sky Paris. That’s what I tried with the Sky+ last year but couldn’t get over the late stage rocker and massive amount of foam under the toes.
My wide feet will never fit in these shoes, so I can only imagine running in them. However, I still really appreciated your explanation. I learned a lot about plated shoes in general. Thanks.
Ya, sadly the Metaspeeds are very narrow shoes, some of the most narrow on the market… so wide feet are not an option. Even if you could get your foot in the upper it would likely hang off the edges of the midsole.
How would you compare the narrowness to Boston 12?@@SagasuRunning
Considerably more narrow than the Boston 12, both fit AND midsole/outsole width. They are similar with to the Takumi Sens… though the upper last isn’t as narrow.
That is really a bummer. Just started running 6 months ago at 44yo (played basketball for 25years) and I'm looking to buy my first marathon shoe. Been training in Velocity and Deviate Nitro 2 and Boston 12. Boston 12 is wide enough in the forefoot and Pumas made 4 of 5 nails on my left foot black. Love Puma shoes, DN2 fells more comfortbale and softer then Boston 12. I think i'm a midfoot to heel striker. Was really looking forward to Edge Paris but knowing how narrow it is.. What shoe would you recomend (as a suggestion to look more into)? Would Vaporfly 3 be ok or maybe Superblast (as i'm going to run halfs but not full marathons in a year or two)?@@SagasuRunning
If you like the Boston already… I’d look at the Adios Pro 3… the fit will be similar too. Adidas Lightstrike Pro and Puma Nitro foams are the same compound (though tuned differently)… so their feel is similar too.
The Vaporfly 3 isn’t a great option for heel striking, it has some durability problems there. The Alphafly 3 is another option if you want to try Nike… but it is MUCH softer than anything you have been running in (that you mentioned) so keep that in mind.