Metaspeed Edge Paris vs Metaspeed Sky Paris
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- This is the Metaspeed Edge Paris, and it’s got the same foam, the same last, the same stack height, and the same drop as the Metaspeed Sky Paris. But these two shoes really couldn’t be more different. In this video, I'll go over the practical differences, and because most run specialty won't carry both the Metaspeed Edge Paris and Metaspeed Sky Paris, I'll go over some ways that you can figure out which of the two shoes you'll prefer (it's probably metaspeed sky Paris)
0:00 intro
0:55 disclosures
1:15 specs
3:40 what's it like
6:11 edge vs sky
9:21 pairing options
11:23 buying guide and alternatives
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Asics marketing department has made it very kofuzing....
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I agree that ASICS marketing is too geeky for its own good. I demarcate the two based more on distance and speed. I think of Edge as being for shorter, faster efforts and Sky for longer, slower grinds. Trying both is really the only way to know for sure what works best for you. Definitely one to buy in-store after a treadmill trial or online from a store with a good return policy.
Unfortunately I don't think a lot of people have the option to try both in store. If your comparison of the two is true then its definitely the most clear and logical out of all the reviews.
It’s actually the opposite. Sky gets you more forefoot oriented and feels like it encourages you to put down more power vs edge is more smooth rolling for long haul.
My guess is Edge better for heel strikers, Sky better for mod/forefoot strikers. This roughly corresponds to the manner in which you add speed - do you have close to the same cadence at all paces and speed up mostly by taking longer strides or do you tend significantly increase your cadence as you speed up. I only take 158 spm at like 730/mile pace and closer to 180 at 5 min/mile pace.
Where are the stores that have both of these physically sitting there that you can try on? The stores I know of don't have this sort of shoe in stock. I have to mail-order them as do nearly all of you I assume.
Completely dependant on the individuals running style and pace. The only way to be certain is to try them. I will be ordering both. @@jkhoudini
I actually find the Edge Paris more comfortable/softer so I think it will depend on your stride like Asics says. I think the Sky Paris depends on a long stride with a powerful forefoot strike basically and the Edge Paris is more of that classic rolling over supershoe feel. It's like the Alphafly v1 vs Vaporfly. They're definitely closer than they've ever been and the difference is the most subtle. Both shoes are absolutely the best they have been.
I agree in the distinction - Sky for powerful strike where you want to put yourself forward (not necessarily long), and Edge for the “classical” roll where you like the shoe to help push you forward.
Elite marathoners run at paces that are faster
than most people's 5K pace. Seems to me that when you run fast you're starting to experience what the shoe was designed for. The shoe doesn't know about effort, but does know about pace and biomechanics through how force is loaded through the shoe and the velocity at which the midsole compresses and rebounds. The idea that a marathon race shoe designed for elites would be good for a 10 min per mile runner just because both are exerting marathon effort doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying that you said exactly that, but you did talk about whether the shoe would be good for marathon effort and I don't think that can apply across the full range of runners.
It also fails to take into account that elite male marathoners weigh less than 120lbs, while many 'non-elite' runners weigh considerably more which impacts the dynamics of the foams and plates
My premise is the opposite. What you experience in shoes is relative to your effort. Otherwise, it is completely useless to have sponsored pro athletes unless you only intend to sell shoes to other 2:10 marathoners.
@@kofuzi Agree. Otherwise everybody from sub elite downwards would not be wanting to wear these sort of shoes for their race efforts and the last 5 years might as well not have happened. Equally going very easy in racing shoes is rarely that great either.
Have been waiting on this review. Thank you! Excited to try the sky!
I love your videos in general, but thank you so much for this review/comparison in particular!
By far the best explanation I've seen about those two very confusing models. I ordered the Edge Paris while listening to this video, thanks for helping me make a decision.
Amazing breakdown, as always!!
Thanks Kofuzi, just convinced me that I need another carbon plate running shoes :D haha appreciate your videos they are awesome!
Thank you for sifting through this stuff for us!
finally !!..i been waiting fo this video..thank u sir😊
I watched many videos reviewing these two shoes, but none as complete and enlightening as yours! In a word: Excellent! I always really appreciate your comparison with similar models as this helps a lot to understand what the new model presented is like. In this case, your observation that the EDGE is firmer and the Sky is softer makes all the difference to me. I like firm shoes and I just hate soft midsoles. For this reason alone, my choice between the two is made. His choice of smaller routes for the Edge and the comparison with Adidas' excellent Takumi were also useful. Congratulations for your work!
Great insights. I hope Asics is taking some of these lessons to the Magic Speed 4.
Felt the same way about the Edge ! I felt exactly the same way , really good and exciting for a 5-10km ! I really wanted to fall in love with the Sky preorder it immediately but after testing it at the marathon expo the Edge really talked to me and I ended up buying it instantly ( I’m more comfortable with shorter distances )
Anyways really accurate and well explained review 🔥👍🏾
I imagine that the reason the Sky feels a lot softer is the late rocker. Since you already land pretty far forward you're landing a little bit into the rocker on the Edge. With the Paris you're landing on a lot more stack.
These shoes are absolutely beautiful aesthetically. Amazing job as usual!
Best practical explanation of the differences between the Sky & Edge shoe have seen in what 3 years of them now. Just pity they don't do either in a US 14 for me as my choice is easy - can't wear either! Before the default just seemed to be get the Sky as nobody really uses the Edge but sounds like they have at least got a more compelling choice this time. The cadence/stride thing, I always was a bit of a red herring as impossible to speed up without increasing both to a certain extent and then it is like asking if you are tall or short. Well a lot of runners are neither!
It feels like a missed opportunity to not make these in US14, especially when they do make some models in that size (like Magic Speed, if I recall correctly)
What if I'm a "cadence type" of runner, and I do max out my potential of cadence (190-200+), so my best chance to be faster is taking longer steps - so do I need a "stride type" shoe to help me??? confusing
@@gogolaklazloI’m in a similar situation as you but I personally prefer a shoe that extends my stride so I always go for the sky
Your opinion are very useful and clearer than Asics👍🏻👍🏻
Fantastic analysis!! Great defining
I just got my Edge delivered yesterday, it is quite beautiful in person...I told Emily I wasn't too crazy about the black and yellow accents business, but I think I have changed my mind.
spot on. awesome review as always.
thanks so much!
I bought the asics metaspeed Edge paris today, i will use this on my 32km race day on August.. It felt good and as if there's an airsack similar to alphafly 3 which makes you move forward, bounce and etc.
Thanks for this video Ko! I was waiting for you to do this comparison!!!! I think the edge would work for me! I am a mid foot striker but I do love an early rocker.
Thank you for the break down. I really want to try the Sky Paris.
I'm not as marketing genius but I don't understand why they look so similar. At least it's a nice colorway.
Makes for good brand presence to streamline look I guess, more red in the field, more "wow, everyone is wearing Asics" impact
Finally you release this comparison🔥🔥🔥
thank you for your patience
Love this video comparison! Thank you Kofuzi... With Boston Marathon coming up.. debating whether I change to Sky Paris or keep with the Sky+ I have PR'd in at Berlin and Tokyo... Would love to know if you're making the switch to Sky Paris for London & Berlin this year ?
Great review, thank you. Which shoe is closest to the Vaporfly V2? I love the V2 but need a new shoe for London and don't want the V3 and can't yet get the Alphafly V3...
Going to be taking your advice from the Sky Paris review to compare it with the Endorphin Elite-planning to carefully evaluate which will be my 2024 marathon racer, the Pro 3 won over the Sky+ for me last year!
Great video!- thanks !
The adios pro 3 has worked best for me so far - run 3 marathons in them
Which of these would you think would have the closest feeling ? ( if any )
The rods are lower like the edge but there is a lot of forefoot foam stack like the sky
Fantastic review Mike, i appreciate the thorough comparison and contrast. How's the forefoot on the Sky Paris? For reference, i normally get the wide versions of SC Elite or a I go a half-size up on Endorphin Pro in order to accommodate my flat/high-volume feet.
there's a lot more volume in the Sky Paris vs the Sky +, but if you typically go for wide versions, you may wish to size up
Your video answered all my questions. I’m a heel striker who automatically becomes a mid foot striker when I do short fast intervals. However I’m never going to do a 5/10k. I have the Sen 9 for fun and speed training. I guess if had extra cash I would get The Edge for that reason. Thanks for the vid.
Thank you for the great review, however I'm still confused with which one would I chose. Maybe a better way would be to compare it to my current marathon shoe which is the Adidas Adios Pro 3, which one of these is closer to the Pro 3? I'm a slower runner so I like Adidas becausein my experience it protects my feet, although I try to aim at going faster my main concern is to enjoy the distance. Thank you again for the great video.
I was the exact opposite. Sky distracted me and felt like extra work whereas the Edge felt like it was working with me on every step. Totally agree about how confusing it is to recommend one or the other.
My experience mimcs yours. The flat plate of the Sky was good for intervals but for marathon pace the Edge was much better with its curved plate.
I tried both and found that Edge is the real deal for me. I didn't have any directionality with Sky Paris.
Great review… 🎉 still no idea which would suit me so have ordered the superblast instead, which are on delay to the Uk, stuck on boat somewhere no doubt trying to avoid some rockets 🚀
Nice comparison, I'm in the UK waiting for the release. I'm a short course triathlete specifically doing 5k & 10k races. I am currently still racing in the original SKY (not+). When racing my cadence is around 175spm with a stride length of 1.45m. Stick with the SKY or try the EDGE as you mentioned its good for shorter distances?
As I mentioned on your Sky Paris video, I'm an Edge+ person. While the Edge+ is, objectively, my fastest shoe, I don't reach for it as often as I should because subjectively it's one of my least comfortable. Not sure how excited I am about adding Edge Paris to my wish list. 🤔
Thank you for the review! All this while you really nailed it with your explainations and I can see that how you favours your running shoes towards certain type of run and it is almost identical to me. In your honest opinion, what supershoe has the softest midsole and yet still have that popping/snappy sensation?
Sky Paris
Personally, according to my watch data it’s clear that my stride length varies more proportionately with my speed than to my cadence. In the first iteration, I tried both and Sky was the clear winner for me.
Your midfoot-forefoot vs midfoot-heel striker explanation is the most accessible I've encountered thus far. It enhances my very high cadence as another factor. I’m a midfoot striker based in my own and my coach's observation. Since the vast majority of runners touch down initially on the rear lateral edge before pronating (in a good, normal way) into their full footstrike I assume that doesn’t count as a heel strike. Even you, Kofuzi, have mentioned a few times that you show wear there on your outsoles and you’re a very obvious forefoot striker.
I sort of have the same 'issue' with the rear lateral initial touch down and material wearing off on the rear of outsole. Just gonna go with Kofuzi's opinion on Sky being more suitable for Marathon/longer slower paces. Booked and getting the pair tomorrow, exciting!
Is he though? Every time Mr. Fuzi shows a gut shot on one of his 100 mile reviews, I don't see excessive wear at the forefoot. I think he's only a forefoot striker when the camera is rolling. That's what I think.
I wouldn't be surprised if the wear on rear lateral edge is from walking before/after runs, while making turns, or when going up/down hills. Could be anything really and shouldn't be worried about unless all wear was only coming from there.
From personal experience, the rubber sole itself does not show excessive wear even if one only strikes on that spot (unless the shoes has gone through seriously high mileage). It's the moment before the foot strike and the shoe 'catches' the jagged 'peaks' on the road surface that does the most damage. Like scrapping. @@laalaa99stl
Thank you!
great review! tho i'll wait for more colourways with my verdict.
Yo. What’s going on? Excited for the SC Pacer v2. Hopefully you get a pair for review too.
Really hits home at the need to get fitted and try both on if possible.
I’m definitely a ‘stride runner’ but when I pick up my pace, I really heel strike more as I then begin to over stride.
Making it very confusing to know which shoe would suit me best 😅
So would be difficult to pull the trigger on an online purchase.
Great review Mike! So which supershoe will you be using in your next marathon?
I do not plan on ever running a marathon in the Edge Paris
The age-old solution presents itself once again: buy both!!
Great as all your videos. I slowly started my comeback into running a month ago and can manage about 5k straight now. I jogg in Hoka c9 and the Boston 12 but looking for a shoe that is more ”fun” (super shoe). I weigh 85kg and my question is could the Meta sky paris be a shoe for me or is it too advanced for a beginner? Keep up the good work 👍🏻.
Great review of the shoes and comparison of the foot strike. Do you have any concerns with durability on these? The rubber outsole of both pairs seems to have a lot of foam exposed and only covering the heel and forefoot.
Looks the same as the previous generation. There is noticeable damage to the exposed areas of my Edge+. That's just the cost of doing business when you get racing shoes. The foam will start to feel dead anyway before it completely falls apart.
Thank you for the great review! Which one do you think has a closer feeling to Takumi Sen 9/10? I guess it would be Sky?
neither, but I like the Edge Paris for similar efforts
So funny because I work at a running shoe store and my coworker and I were comparing the two Asics shoes and then also trying on the Cloud Echoboom. I found both the Asics shoes a little too squishy and I found the shape of the last seemed to taper in at the arch, which I didn't like. We didn't get to run in them, only walked around the store though, which is never the best way to fully test a shoe.
Holding out for the SC Pacer V2. Asics super shoes just haven't worked out for me. I'm just not fast enough or something. Not taking the chance trying to figure out which one might or might not work best for me again...
Interesting comparison. I'm not a elite runner but the Like to Kofuzi. Have a great day.
thanks for watching!
How do you think the foam stiffness would be for heavier runners with the Metaspeed Edge Paris? I have a muscular build and im about 220lbs.
I've got my eyes on that Meta Speed Sky+ 👀
How is the Edge Paris compared to the Sky Tokyo? The plate configuration looks quite similar.
cant wait for a Superblast 2
Why? It's already a perfect shoe. What improvement does it need?
Slightly more aggressive rocker at the front for me personally. Also make it so it doesn't take 60+KM to break in. I found the foam is quite a bit softer once I reached 100+KM.@@laalaa99stl
@@laalaa99stlmaybe turbo +
@@laalaa99stl fill in the stone catching holes with some puma grip
@@laalaa99stlwith that mentality we’d still be running in shoes that were “perfect” in the 90’s.
Great t-shirt!
Hey Kofuzi, will you fcome run in Europe again anytime soon? Cheers from Prague, CZ. Thanks for the quality content!
I'll be in London for the marathon!
@@kofuzi my friend Melissa Perlman from Florida is going to run it! Have a blast.
What I'm seeing for the elites is shorter/lighter runners going for the edge, heavier/taller for the sky.
I'm 6'4/175 and I like the Edge. I have a much, much higher cadence at fast paces vs slow paces.
@@BigStar1972 I have like a 10/15 spm difference, from 180 to around 190.
You missed one difference between the shoes, that also confirms your theory of foot striking position. The outsole rubber extends farther back on Edge compared to Sky. Place both pairs on a table with the back towards you and you will see there is a very prominent difference.
The rocker geometry is also more aggressive on the sky compared to more gradual on the edge. Foam is wider in forefoot on sky as well.
Hey Kofuzi, any plans to review the new Evoride Speed? I noticed that in Japan, they seem to advertise the Evoride, Magic Speed, and Meta Speed as apart of a training set.
I do not have any plans currently
I don’t care about their marketing jargon. I look at how I strike the ground. I am flat footed supinator. I strike midfoot but the outer edge. I like how the Sky Paris has a wide and flared out platform for my footstrike. I have the Edge+ as well and it is an incredible 5k/10k racer. Insanely snappy. The more you push, the greater the response. I have my 10k PB on those shoes. The Sky+ is a great 21k/42k racer because it is so good at holding pace and you feel like you are barely putting any effort.
Previously couldn’t decide between Sky+ and Edge+. I class myself as a cadence runner but reviews for Edge+ were that it was best up to half marathon so I decided on Sky+ for marathon. I then accidentally ordered the Edge+! Got the Sky+ too eventually and raced in Sky+ for NYC Marathon but have since found the Edge+ to be the fastest shoe I’ve ever ran in. Recently got HM PB of 75 running in Edge+ and I don’t find it hard at all, running 200spm. Ordered Edge Paris and will race London Marathon in this hoping for a PB also. I’m 63kgs and 178cm.
Write the result and shoe impression
I tend to be a cadence runner and love my Edge +, so should I plan on getting the Edge Paris? Is it drastically different?
My shoes coming this week. Have a couple of time trials on the plan for next week so should be able to get a good indication of the speed of the Edge Paris vs Edge Plus.
@@markoljustina Result = 2:38:17 in London in the Edge Paris. PB for me, great shoe. I believe even faster than the Edge+ for my running style and no issues at all running in them for a full marathon distance.
@@benwalton Congratulations on PB, superb time ⚡️ and thanks for feedback
i also run PB in London, over weekend, 3:17:26 in VF2
i was in Asics Oxford street to find Paris series but there isn’t bigger sizes
Did I miss the question, I already have last years Sky+. What would make it compelling for me to upgrade?
Edge paris is the best my running shoes. Feeling the difference , its perfect balance movement , stability , comfort , response.
have a great race!
I'm a triathlete, and I primarily participate in sprint triathlons, which consist of a 750m swim, followed by a 22k bike, and concluding with a 5k run. Due to the unique combination of events, I won't be running as fast as I would in a standard 5k race. As a mid-foot striker, I currently use the Metaspeed Sky + and enjoy it, it also makes me run faster than in a vaporfly for example, but it tends to make my calves burn during the run. I'm considering buying the metaspeed Paris, but I'm unsure if i should get the edge or the sky . Any recommendations for a mid-foot striker running a 5k like myself?
Would you make the same approximate recommendations between the forefoot and rearfoot strikers for the Edge+ and Sky+?
At this point, yes
I ran a marathon last month with
Magic Speed 3 on… and
It was AMAZING 👍
Now seeing these new versions of Metaspeeds makes me want to try them!
I have heard the edge is a competitor to adidas adios pro 3. The edge heel area looks quite narrow (more like the adios pro 2) which was a little unstable, especially when cornering, though fine if your going to run in a straight line. Wondering how it compares to the pro 3. One thing that has also been mentioned by other pro 3 runners is that it takes a bit of break-in period the shoe and then you feel the true impact and "feel"of the shoe - I wonder if the edge will be the same...Also K did a PB in the sky so I take it that's what works for him best. Update: I just got the edge in the mail and my question was answered - the heel is narrower than the pro 3 and on par with the Takumi Sen 10. It's as if the pro 3 and Sen 10 had a child and this is what came out. I then wore one edge and one pro 3 (with about 30/40 miles on it). The edge was very stiff (like Kofuzi mentioned) and my pro 3 had "cushion". Question is, after the break-in time will the edge "feel" like the pro? Not sure since one uses a plate and the other energy rods. However, I'm not elite and not as fast as kofuzi and that's how the sky is marketed (plus I am
more of a heel striker though I do run on the midsole though not as much) so who knows??...
Yeah, the positioning of the plate in the edge is similar to the adios pro 3's rods too.
So I ordered both to try. We’ll see which one I keep or maybe both
Let me know how it goes!
Have the SKY Tokyo and love it...which one is more similar to the SKY Tokyo? EDGE PARIS or SKY PARIS?
sky Paris. It’s gonna feel different though, analogous to how Sky Tokyo is different than Sky+
Hey @Kofuzi, I have the metaspeed sky+ and endo speed 4. If the endo 4 feels more conducive to my stride, do you think it's worth it to try the edge?
I’m afraid I haven’t tried the endorphin speed 4 yet
Hi Mike, thanks for this compare. But looks I'm even more not sure which would be better for me. I'm fore to midfoot striker, and that original difference between SKy and Edge, was maybe good for elite runners. I'm used to increase both cadence and also stride length when racing or running at a race paces, 5K, 10K or HMP. I't not purely that I increase only cadence or only strides, it's both. Waht do you think is the most comparable to e.g. Vaporfly 2 or 3, Sky or Edge Paris? Thanks a lot. Peter from Slovakia
it might be that neither is right for you. the plate position of the edge is more similar to the vaporfly, but the Edge plate position makes the shoe overall feel quite different
I’m a newish runner, with 1 marathon and 1 half under my belt. Both my races I kind of just ran them conservatively to finish How do you figure out what your “marathon effort” is?
Doesnt the Edge S shaped plate mimic the Vaporfly and other carbon plated shoes? Is there another carbon plated racer that has a flat plate similar to the Sky? Contrary to Kofuzi, the flat plate of the Sky seems best at threshold or faster paces whereas the Edge and other shaped plates seem better at a more variety of paces.
like AF3
Does where you wear out the sole on your shoe indicate whether you are a heel striker, i.e., wearing out heel? Therefore, Edge is more suitable?
Sometimes
So would you say if you are more of a forefoot faster paced runner get the sky paris?
I wish Asics would make some sales of their top carbon models... In Poland those are the most expensive on the market.
Maybe in vídeos like this adding a Few data from an Dynamic Running Garmin device, giving details in heart rate, step length, lactate
Speed and so on could be more analytical to see real dynamic behaviour, apart
From sensations
to the extent that it may be collected, it's in my strava and publicly available
Kofuzi is the first reviewer who prefers the Sky :). Couple of runtesters feel like Sky is best up to halfmarathon which shows how individual this game is. That is probably the worst part for us who don't have to ability to try them on before buying.
I’m not tho
I may be the first review you’ve watched/read that prefers the Sky. Primacy can sometimes be misleading.
That being said, with the ways algorithms work, the reviews you have seen may be from reviewers who tend to prefer the same shoes you do (which causes you to watch them more and then the algorithm feeds them to you first).
So primacy may be helpful in the age of algorithms. Or they can mislead us entirely.
I’d love to know what you think personally
I said in my post it's individual. If I have a chance to try both on (highly unlikely as there is no store carrying asics). Not sure really if i'm cadence or stride runner or if it even matters. Then again, your opinion is that Edge is great for short distanceswhile two of the runtesters think sky is best up to half marathon. That is a bit confusing don't you think.@@kofuzi
Edge is for terrestrian (heel) footstrike and Sky for aerian (forfoot strike)
In 1 month I will do my fifth half marathon, and I would like to lower my PB which is currently 1:50h. Do you think shoes like these can help, or is it just a waste of money and for a pace like mine it won't help at all?
Racing shoes are never necessary, but I sure do enjoy them. If you’re on the fence, don’t get them. If you want to get them, have fun and enjoy.
Hi Kofuzi - checking on best version for me. Looking for light shoe like the Metaspeed. I’m 5’10” runner at 136 lbs so very light. Run about 20 to 25 miles a wk. Every 2 wks do 5k race and my pace slow compared to many at about 8min/mile. My race stride rate at 170 spm. And a bit of heel striker as this area first to show ware. U mention would recommend the edge as good for faster pace like for 5k. With slower pace like for marathon then recommend sky. But my 5k pace very slow so maybe then you think better sky? Thank you any ideas.
Nope. Absolute pace matters less than relative effort.
If you want to race 5k in one of these two shoes, go with the Edge
Kofuzi hope you'll play the blackpink - pink venom when you show the asics metaspeed paris :)
Edge Paris already sold out on Asics Canada in the most popular mens sizes 9 to 11.
I don't know that I'll get this data, but I'd love to see the return rates of the Edge vs the Sky
check brownssports ! they still have 10.5
Same, that would be very interesting to know. Even more interesting would be how their decision was made. @@kofuzi
Will there be a nike lineup video in the future?
I haven’t made that kind of video for any brand in years
Not available in the UK yet "Logistic Issues"!!
The filth on that Magic Speed 3
is insane 😂👍
Partying with it in Budapest last summer
Does anyone experience the tongue slipping back into the shoes? It got really uncomfortable after 5 to 7km onwards. 😢
Hi Mike need a bit of help here. I am a 5k 10k guy. The best race shoe i have ever ran in is the next% v1. Nothin compares. Loved the next% 2 for track work etc but lacked what the v1 had. Saucony pro 3 absolutely amazing shoe tempos track threshold etc. But still not v1 nike material.. next % 3 no where near what the v1 was. Solid enough shoe but im still searching for that umph.. got the Saucony pro 4. Thought they were wider bulkier more squishy n they hurt my knee funny enough. So based on what I explained there which do you think would be suited to me. I understand thats a hard question. But race on roads and spikes on track. Just struggle with finding great shoe. Ps my daily mileage shoe is novablast 3 i have went through 5 pairs absolutely unreal shoe. 👌🙌🙏
@kofuzi
I love Magic Speed 3. Which of these are most similar to it?
I discuss magic speed 3 specifically in relation to these shoes towards the end of the video
Suitable for narrow foot?
So helpful but still confusing. I wish there was a caption in the corner to highlight which shoe was being talked about. Like Red box for Sky and Black box with shoe name for Edge or which ever one has whatever sole. 😅 probably just means I need to watch this a few more times. 😂
If it helps, the Sky has a large yellow box under the black box on the side.
The Edge has a smaller yellow box and it’s more of a trapezoid.
If you’re looking at the outsole, the Sky outsole is pink and the edge outsole is black.
Ooo I’ll rewatch with that in mind. Hopefully I’ll get it straight this time! Thank you!!
Is the position or geometry of the plate in the edge the point that this shoe suits way better for a midfoot/heelstriker? Could someone explain it to me?
yes
How is a shoe measured or identified to be a "rocker". Stack and drop are able to be measured, however shoes marketed as rocker seems subjective, is there a way to measure or quantify this when comparing different shoe types?
Yes. None have been adopted as a standard though
@@kofuzi Just got the Edge +, based mostly off your review. Although Im in So. Cal. with several chain and boutique run shoe stores near me, I was a bit surprised to learn that no one really carries inventory in the super-shoe/carbon plate category. Im guessing due to the high cost of inventory with too many SKU's. I ordered on line and received a 2 days. I was concerned about the sizing since ASICS and Roadrunner Sports websites suggest to go up 1/2 size, I just went with the same sizing as my Gel-Nimbus and that worked out. Thanks again for your detailed review!
Will there be a Magic Speed 4 before October? If I like the Magic Speed 3 which of the MetaSpeed Paris shoes should I get?
Sky Paris
I have information on magic speed
@@kofuzi please don’t let it be the leak from 3 months ago. That shoe looks hideous. If they took away the carbon plate to give it FF Turbo I’ll be really sad. You don’t have to give me any info, just a yes or no: should I stock up on the Magic Speed 3?
As a 5k-10k midfoot-forefoot runner, would the sky still be a great option for racing?
if those are your primary race distances, I might nevertheless look at the Edge, especially since a good percentage of your sessions will be at 5k or faster paces
heya kofuzi: what pace are this good? below 5min/km?
I can say for me, I prefer the Sky. And for Sky runners, they will generally prefer the Sky iterations for threshold effort to marathon effort. And those same Sky runners will prefer the Edge for mile race efforts up to threshold.
I anticipate that Edge runners will prefer the Edge at all race paces
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thank you for the review, I am not sure I understand your conclusions. You are saying that the shoes are great for 5/10k pace, but not for marathons? but you can agree that your 5k/10k pace is the marathon pace of a lot of fast runners, like your 5k pace is probably faster than 100m all out of a lot of people. I don't think buying shoes based on pace is really a good idea, what do you think?
I explain shoes based on effort not pace.
For example, a pro runner’s easy pace is most people’s marathon pace (and likely faster). We do not go with which paces they like their daily trainers. We go by which efforts at which they prefer certain shoes.
Otherwise, it is useless to have professionals endorse shoe brands.
Hellow everyone! I need your help,
Between the edge paris,takumi sen 10 and vaporfly 3, which shoes do you choose for a 3km race?
takumi sen
@@kofuzi thanks !! Your content is one of the best in youtube!
Would these be the same size as Nike VF3 ? Or should you half size up or down?
I have the same size across all the shoes you mentioned