Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris vs Edge Paris
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- The Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris and Edge Paris are two brand new marathon racing shoes released in time for the 2024 summer Olympics. On paper, they are designed to serve two different types of runners, with the Sky for people who run faster by increasing their stride length (taking bigger steps) and the Edge for people who run faster by increasing their cadence (taking more steps). In this video, I give an overview of both shoes, run identical workouts in them and let you know which one is best for you.
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0:00 - Intro
2:42 - Technical Differences
5:33 - My Stride & Cadence Data
8:29 - Overview
11:12 - Comparison to Saucony Endorphin Pro 4
12:43 - Weigh In
15:00 - Warm Up in Pro 4
20:41 - Running in Sky Paris
27:52 - Running in Edge Paris
40:13 - Post-Run Comparison
41:15 - Measuring Width of Edge and Sky
43:36 - Comparing Stride & Cadence Data
46:39 - Who They're Best For
51:12 - One More Thing: Episode 2
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this is the best comparison video for ASICS Metaspeed Paris among all the running CZcamsrs
Agreed.
i'm giving you a round of applause for the line 'look at that chiaroscuro'
As an art college grad, this also pleases me.
Not gonna lie.
I am mesmerized by the way you tie your laces.
It’s an awesome clean bow. 🤙🏽
Thank you I love your content and this is exactly the video I needed to decide which to get
Thx 4 the videos on these shoes. I first ordered the sky and tried it on, way to snug of a fit than I usually have in a men’s size 10. I then ordered the Edge instead but this time in a size 11, I like to have some room for my toes in shoes overall.
I appreciate your honesty in yesterday’s video it made me realize that as a much older slower, 8 min/mile Marathon pace, the Edge was not for me and I returned it. I also appreciate that you provided some alternative options like the NB that I never would have considered, but will try the Saucony Pro 4. I think with these “Super Shoes” we need to understand what the true benefit if any will be for us middle of the pack runners.
Similarly, I bought the Endorphin Pro 4 as my Ironman shoe hoping to run around 3:30 to 3:45 off the bike. I intend to use the Sky or Edge for short distance triathlons where the run is 5K. I may try it for a Half Ironman too which is a Half Marathon run.
100%. I think the weight of the runner also makes a difference. I'm barely 130 lbs. soaking wet so I think I load the foam differently than heavier runners.
@@kuriositesim 140lbs, long stride (1.50m), 3:34/km on 5km pb, alphafly v1 fan. I think the runner weight play a role but the speed and stride lenght as well so hard to attach too much importance to a single element like weight
@@jean-phil Agreed. With a longer stride, you are probably hitting the ground harder. I feel that more when I open up, too.
That fescue lawn is on point man. Noice!!
As I understand ASICS, you are indeed supposed to look at the percentage increase of each; typically a stride runner will show numbers like yours. Mine are the same as yours, and I've always considered myself a stride runner.
As you note, putting the plate higher theoretically lets the greater force of the stride runner depress it more, resulting in greater forward propulsion. Nike has a similar distinction between the Alphafly (loading the pods) and the Vaporfly (lower/spoon plate).
It would be so cool to see you compare these to the vaporfly 3 as I see so many similarities but yet I feel like they are for different runners. Love the video again today :)
Edit: I commented before the last part of the vid where you pulled out the valorfly, you read my mind haha😎
I have been putting around 20 miles in both the edge and the sky now, and did a half marathon in the sky. and I LOVE BOTH of the shoes. the edge is a more agressive vaporfly like shoe whilst the sky is more of a alphafly and also more forgiving shoe. I cannot decide which one to pick. I should be a cadance runner lol, because short legs, but i found the sky is just such a great shoe to move between paces. whilst the edge, is like super hard to move between paces.
Short legs don't mean much in this comparison as the increases in cadence or stride length should be relative to your slower runs. It's about what happen when you speed up. I feel that weight might be more important because it would determine how much foam is compressed. If you don't dig into the foam too much, you most likely wouldn't feel much of a difference between the shoes but I'm just guessing. Cheers!
A lot of efforts and i am totally with you on that Sky is for the runner targeting sub 3 or at least sub 3:15 marathon pace!!
Love you’re videos
🙌🏽 thank you! I appreciate it
@@supwell Can you please do a comparison between diadora gara carbon and sky/ edge Paris please
8:34 - "I don't want to make this too long" - uploads near hour long video! LOL
I really enjoyed this review, thank you 🙏 What I find intriguing/confusing is how you think the feel of the Sky is like the Vaporfly whereas the plate position of the Edge seems more like the Vaporfly? It would be brilliant to hear your thoughts on this? Best of luck in the Marathon in the meantime!
I remember seeing graphs of stride length and cadence increase for bpth types of runners when the first generation of the Metaspeeds was released. For stride runners, stride length increased, but cadence didn’t (at all). For cadence runners BOTH stride length and cadence increased with increasing speed.
My thoughts after running in both is exactly the same as you.
On Tuesday, I ran 2 miles easy, warm up, 1 mile @ tempo, 6x400s in the edge,
Changed shoes to sky, I ran
6x400s, 2 miles cool down. The 2nd set in the sky after two reps I was 15 seconds faster than edge, but I didn't feel beaten up like I usually am after intervals and could have done more.
Now, I'm age 68 and around a 3:30/45 marathon, so slower than yourself.
My conclusion after this session for me is:
Sky=5k/10k for a faster race.
Edge=HM to marathon , like you, the edge would be more comfortable over the distance.
Our conclusion was the same.
BTW I consider myself to be a cadence runner. 👍
Now completely confused, others saying the Sky feels softer, you say the Edge
They have the same amount of cushion, and they are meant for the same purpose. The plate placement is what affects how they feel. And which one feels softer depends on the runner.
@@thecaptainchas2820 spitting
It doesn't really help to say it depends on the runner. Depends on what?
What would make sense is one plate shape feels softer to heel-mid strikers and one feels softer to mid-forefoot strikers.
@@carveracMan has no clue about what he is talking about…
Sky = little bit lighter, less dense foam (softer) better for opening the stride so you need to load the foam/plate
Edge = little bit more denser (harder) foam and heavier, little bit more snug fitting too and better for cadence style runner because they are little bit harder + the plate design it’s better suited for high turnover legs.
At the end ; try both but the Sky is what suit the majority of people.
Edge is definitely softer in the forefoot. Your foot sinks in and then you engage the plate. With the Sky you the plate earlier and for me the cushion doesn't compress as much.
Have the same exact issue with the arch pushing up into my right foot and the right lace is shorter on mine also!
Thank you for discussing pace and reaffirming that I have no business in either of these shoes and would have much more fun/benefit from a shoe like the Saucony. 👊🏼
Interesting Analysis 👌
Maybe I'm way off....but I think sky is alphafly, edge is vaporfly. Plate position anyway.
Yeah if we're thinking about which is more aggressive vs relaxed, sky is definitely the more aggressive one similar to Alphafly and edge is more relaxed, similar to Vaporfly. But on foot neither of them felt similar to the Alphafly
@@supwellthat’s good
Yes. And the great thing about this pair of shoes is that plate geometry is pretty much the only difference - along with the little flare out in the Sky forefoot to take advantage of the rebound of all the foam under the plate.
Hi, great content as always. The lenght of videos is justified by all the reasoning and thoughts you put in-that's unmatched. What's your opinion on using superblast for a 3 h marathon attempt?
If you find it comfortable and fast then go for it! There are options that I'd choose over that for a 3 hr marathon but I know some runners who've used it for a marathon around that pace. You might get a little more benefit on race day from a plated shoe but if you put in the training and pace right then it shouldn't be an issue
The Superblast is a wonderful shoe and I've completed all my long runs for the London marathon in them. Aiming for 3:05, which is a pace I can hold in the Superblast for 38km. However, for London I'm switching to the Edge or Sky. I think the carbon plate is a game changer. I'll test the Sky this weekend in my last long run and see if I can run quicker for the same effort. I'll be in touch. ✌🏽
@@spou20 awesome let us know how it goes!
Vaporfly 2 - the plate setup and curve is more similar to edge, so vaporfly should feel similar to edge rather than sky ?
yes. the edge is basically a slightly more cushioned and agressive vaporfly. whilst the sky.. the sky is more of a idk.. novablast esk shoe with a plate. super fast, and bouncy, akin to the alphafly. I legit could not tell you which one to pick, because as a short legged should-be cadence runner.. i couldnt choose. i ran my Half marathon 1.28 bp in the sky.
The edge feels like the viperflay to me
Looooong reviews bro. It's like a movie every day 👊🏽
🍿🎥💪🏽
Love this review, I was listening to this review while doing track workout. I have edge, and just bought sky. Have you decided which shoes you will wear this weekend?
🙌🏽 thanks Elise! Looking forward to seeing your comparison thoughts too. For this weekend I am leaning one way but haven't 100% decided yet
Best of luck to your race!!!@@supwell
the family vibe is elite
Hi there! Just wondering if you're more of a heel striker or midfoot one?
I bought the Sky a few weeks ago because of all the amazing reviews, and after two short tryout runs, I worried that it was a mistake. It is definitely an aggressive shoe and I am glad Yowana points out the paces where it comes alive. I ran my first marathon recently in the Endorphins Pro 3 at 3:29 and had a great experience. The Sky Paris is too aggressive for me to take at that distance or pace, but I just ran a 19:30 5K where the Sky felt amazing. My stride increased to 1.5m in that 5K whereas I averaged 1.2m stride in my marathon at the slower pace. The energy return and lightweight are awesome at faster pace, but feels a little unstable and out of rhythm for me at any pace slower than 7:00.
Fantastic review. Can you shed light why top podiums still have Adios Pro 3 (half, full) even now? Will Paris (S,E) change this by Olympics? Thanks!!!!
Thank you! Main reason is because adidas (and Nike) sponsor the best athletes. I'm not sure what Asics' roster of sponsored athletes looks like but I'm guessing the Olympics winners will still be Adidas and Nike athletes. Most adidas athletes will now be wearing the pro evo but could probably win anyway wearing the adios pro 3 😂
I think even with the cadence/stride discussion, foot strike plays a big role. heel strike will favor the edge, mid/forefoot will favor the sky. If you aren't loading hard off the forefoot with the sky, its going to feel harder without any extra benefit. If you are forefoot, the edge may just feel too soft without the rebound you want. SURPRISINGLY, the toe-off shape is is actually more aggressive in the sky (not the entire shape, just at the toe)... its like comparing the endorphin elite vs endorphin pro.
I think you did fine with the GoPro. Audio is tough but not miserable to listen to. I enjoyed the change. Talking and running could be an extra incentive to take your easy days easy
Thanks man. Yeah audio was not great with the wind noise 😩 I'll pick up another mic soon to fix that
@@supwell did you end up picking a comment for the socks giveaway?
@@calvindorsey8380 if you want them shoot me an email with your shipping address! (Assuming you are based in US - can only ship domestic right now) yowana@supwell.io
Super review 🔥🔥🔥
Marko koje ti koristiš za HM i maraton?
@@justoutlaw6423 Endorphin Pro 3 i Vaporfly 2; tj nisam dugo trčao HM; jesenas sam trčao 42 u EP3 i za preporuku su; imao sam VF2 u šteku/u kutiji pa sam iz skoro izvadio za maraton
@@justoutlaw6423 czcams.com/video/s1ojaB4NPfU/video.htmlsi=yM3GZTNdKZhrjEPs
@@justoutlaw6423 kladio bih se da sam ti odgovorio ?
@@markoljustina Moguće, zaboravio sam.
What watch and app are you using to track your run training?
Do either the sky or edge have more toe box room over the other, or do you feel it's the same?
You have such a beautiful neighborhood. I live in a nice neighborhood but it's 10 miles outside of downtown L.A. so it just isn't as open.
thank you! do you ever get out to the coastal area to run trails? there are some beautiful paths i've checked out there. but i'm sure with kids + LA traffic it's hard to make it to those areas
@@supwell I've been on a few of those but I live on the other side of L.A. now. I've biked our local mountains many times and I can see the world-famous Mount Wilson from my house but it takes a good 45 minutes round trip to drive so I haven't gotten up there much recently.
Would love to know how the under armour velociti elite v2 compares to top marathon race shoes
I think you make a great case. 2h55 with the Pro 4s is awesome and tells you something. They may be better than you think.
That said, everyone I follow loves the Sky. And likes the Pro 4.
My question is--since both are low-drop shoes and I need a higher drop, would the lower plate and subsequent sinking further into the foam cause it to mimic a higher drop shoe?
Issue is if doing a marathon - which shoe is better if you tire and your form "tires" with it be it heel striking etc. When they held the US Olympic Trials - the winner wore sky but there were runners using the edge. Yes they were elite so really cannot compare to regular runners. Also, did the sky feel like the pro 3 at marathon distances as that shoe has won many top marathons for both the men and women.
Good luck this weekend! What are you wearing for the race?
thank you! still deciding on the shoe
Do you have the same size on VF2 and Sky Paris?
Hey just wondering did you stick to the same size in these as the ASICS Superblast ? I find the toebox pretty roomy on the superblast...I'm a 10.5 in alot of shoes but I'm a 10 in the superblast ... Just not sure what size to go for ..I'm not a light runner as I weigh 83kg so was thinking maybe the 10.5 is the better way to go In the sky Paris ? Will be for 5 and 10km efforts ...I run the half in the superblast but would like to build up to using the sky for that
You will want either 10.5 or 11. If possible I'd try to get them both on foot. I am also a 10.5 normally and went with 10.5 and it's a little snug in the left foot
@@supwell thanks so much ... Sometimes the difference in half a size can really affect things ... I had a pair of endorphin pro 3s and the size 10 felt so unstable but the size 10.5 worked so much better ... Just gonna be using the metaspeed for shorter distances for a start
@@supwell thanks I ordered the 10.5 and they fit perfect ! Now after a pair of alphafly 3 for my 30km and up runs ... How do they fit compared to the metaspeed sky Paris ?
Funny UK website hasn't made those distinctions ... shame cause I bought the SKY as they previously from my stride running. However I'm not doing longer than Halves so would have gone for the Edge.
Last Time you say Sky is "softer" and now you say you sink in more in the edge?
Yeah the edge definitely has a more cushioned feel with the additional foam above the plate. I don't remember where I said the sky is softer - let me know which video and timestamp and I will leave a note with my current thoughts
Edge Paris First Run Video 13.30min "edge feels a little bit firmer"
@@woidmoasta4673thanks
Updated description of that video with a note and link here. Thanks for letting me know
You need to find ASICS scatterplot data on this. There are some runners who almost entirely speed up by cadence increases. And others that do a combination but increase cadence a lot. I am 53 now, but when I was in my 30s and still reasonably fast, my cadence at ~7:20/mile pace (how I ran my easy runs ) was 158 or so. At 5k race pace - under 5:00/mile pace - it would be around 180+. That is a cadence runner. I also increase my stride length but not as much relatively. In the Asics data it was really easy to see on the scatterplot generated by all their subjects - I wish I could still find it. There are literally people who when speeding up from 7:00 pace to 5:00 pace don't increase their cadence by more than a few spm. That blows my mind, but it is totally true. And my guess is that forefoot/heel striking tracks somewhat with this difference.
wow that's a huge cadence increase! thanks for letting me know about the data - i'll see if i can dig it up
Love the edge. But im not a forefootstriker if im running serious.. edge is designed for heel strikers in my opinion.. also the plate on the edge is more similar to the vaporfly. While the sky is more alphafly esque. Bouncy stiff forefoot platform vs rolling through the stride on the edge.
I like forefoot running but my heartbeat is much lower while heel or midfoot striking. Maybe cause its smoother?
When i forefoot i do use my calfs and achilles tendon to bounce more.. but when i midfoot. I gently land on the outer lateral part of my foot, rool into the mid forfoot and glide along.. barely any impact force. Maybe could explain the heartrate diff. Excuse my rambling. 😂
In my runs longer fast distances only see like 4 spm increase but shorter fast distances up to 5k can go up to 10-15spm i guess its easier to keep higher cadence for shorter burst while its easier to keep longer strdies for longer distances
which one best for one mile race????
So sky for faster paces & would you say it would be the fastest for a 5/10k?
I wonder what its like for someone that has higher cadence. Im more 180 at my easy, 190-200 pushing into the 7s high 6s.
So weird. Who knows, i have the big foot problems anyway lol
So if i have Endorphin Pro 3; is Asics Edge a better upgrade than Endorphin Pro 4?
Great question - depends on your paces and goal race. For sub 3 marathon, I'd pick one of these Asics. For anything 3:30+ the pro 4 is definitely a better choice. If you're between 3 and 3:30 it will depend if you want something more comfortable (pro 4) or more aggressive (edge)
same problem; i am in between; i.e. 3:09:59
@@markoljustina if you want that fast and aggressive feeling then the Paris shoes definitely deliver that at that 7:00 min/mile marathon pace. Pro 4 feels a little more soft, bouncy and stable at that pace. So depends if you want aggressive or comfortable
@@supwell OK, tnx a lot 🙂
Which has the stiffer carbon plate when you try to flex them?
They feel extremely similar to me
Merch??? 👀
Can you please do a comparison between diadora gara carbon and sky/ edge Paris
I'm an Ascis fan and if I was going to buy a racer from them, it would be the MetaSpeed Edge Paris for the reasons you confirmed several times : stability !
But even the Edge Paris might not be that stable for me, it seems like the Magic Speed 3 that I got and it is not that wide and stable as I
Would like it to be in the heel / middle foot area . For shorter distances the Magic Speed 3 works marvelous to me but more them ~14km I start to overpronate and lose stamina fast ...
Oh, just remembered that I kept hearing everywhere:
The Magic Speed 3 is very similar to the MetaSpeed Edge line. The position of the plate is similar.
Kofuzi says he does at least 98% of his running with a camera. Hard to believe but maybe if you're used to it....
I think Stride vs Cadence is a marketing BS from ASICS which is not corroborated by any independent research. This new iteration (Paris) has equalized the stack, foam, weight of the shoe so the only difference is the plate shape and placement making it easier to test such claims. Oldmanrunner has been collecting data to validate ASICS claims and recently published a video on his YT channel. He also posted links to his STRYD pod data. Basically, there is really not much difference between these two shoes. Obviously, one shoe will feel better than the other based on landing patterns and comfort feel. But as you can see from marketing descriptions ASICS is struggling to describe the shoes.
In other words, I don't think Stride vs Cadence has much scientific basis. In fact, you should not be looking at just one or the other. I would look at how my cadence x stride length is changing from easy pace to race pace. Normally both will increase but the which gives the best combined effect wins. In that respect, Oldmanrunner's data shows that these two shoes are virtually a tie (at least for him, n=1 test).
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