Cultish: The World Mission Society Church of God
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- Watch the newest episode of Cultish (a production of Apologia Studios). We are joined by Pastor Mike Winger and we discuss the World Mission Society Church of God. Who are they? What do they believe? Find out here! Tell someone!
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Grew up in this church as a little girl and left when I was 16. Finally found Jesus Christ about 4 years ago. Can't wait for A documentary to come out about it
Is what pastor was saying consistent with what this cult teaches?
These guys approached me and a friend in Walmart when I was a senior in highschool. By Gods grace I had answers to all their verses
what were the answers?
Know and cherish the Word of God! I grew up in the church, didn’t know my bible and met these guys (“Church of God”) on campus. The Lord answered my prayer for truth and showed me the folly of this cult... I pray he may save many others out of their deception through this video!
I was invited to their church not knowing what it was and no lie got an anxiety attack in the church feeling God tell me to get out of the building
Amen! Well said!!!
Haha you guys are so foolish. They have the truth, you all just don’t have the ear to hear it. I made them prove everything and they did. Knowing all this opened my eyes. You all are the ones that are liars, going to church on Sunday when the Bibe tells us every clear to go on the 7TH day, the Sabbath Day which is Saturday. You all do nothing that the Bibe tells you to do. What a bunch of hypocrites. You love the Lord with your lip not with your heart because if you loved him with your heart you would follow his commands and one more thing, the reason you got anxiety when you enter the building is because the demons that are inside you were scared and wanted to leave as soon as possible because we are the true Church Of God Elohim. Hope you take the time to actually sit down and Study and maybe your eyes will be open like mine did.
@@ChanelROETVall the more reason to read your Bible n get wisened up with the Truth before being preyed upon again by spiritual vampires.
I pray you get a real pastor to deprogram you.
A girl came up to me at a local community college in Arizona a few years ago who was part of this group. She tried to start debating me but anytime I tried to bring something up she just talked over me louder and louder. I never heard of her group before that interaction, and hadn't seen anyone else talk about them until this. Thanks!!
Learn to control that type of situations!
@J Mireles Why should we care what the bible says?
I experienced something similar on my way home from when I was in the Philippines. Two men asked if I had known about "God the mother" They then proceeded to bring out points from Revelation to prove their assertions. The verses were blatantly out of context. After listening to them, I called him out on his disregard of context. I explained that the book revelation uses imagery and not to be taken literally. But when I did this, he then began to talk louder and louder rather than refute any of my arguments.
How can we create an awareness of these cults from preying on people who did not grow up in the church or who do not have a basic scripture!
Gotta give it to them (wmscog)...when it comes to zeal to preach, few can match them. A useful lesson here: a person's conviction that a certain biblical teaching is true is no guarantee that it is true.
We need to know our Bible from Genesis to Revelation and keep it in our hearts. The great deception is here.
Agreed! Without "the sword of the Spirit" (Ephesians 6) we're defenseless against deception!
Mike Winger is my absolute favorite apologetics teachers. His teaching has helped me immensely in my own walk. He has been given a gift by the Lord for sure.
Totally agree!!!! Thank you for your ministry, Mike!!!
I was approached by them recently and they were so nice at first so I gave them a chance. Although, I already have much knowledge about the Bible I was looking for Bible studies on campus. Once I caught wind of what they believe and who they call Christ, I started asking questions and explaining how the Bible doesn't line up with what they were trying to teach me. The person they assigned to study with me put me on the phone with her mentor and she was so unkind to me and I began to press them hard on their false teachings and eventually they all just ghosted me.
Lets hope that with all that pressing you did some of them begin to doubt that Church's teachings. Also one of the creepiest things i experienced when i was having a text debate with one of their members was that he LITERALLY DID not give me a resource from outside their WEBSITE. I told him how come you only use these sources. He claimed his church is the only place with the truth. I jumped on that and asked so what were people believing before Ahn came to start this church. He said a false god. I said so YOU are willing to say everyone after the first church and before YOUR church is suffering in hell right now because they didn't believe the truth? He couldn't answer me properly.
no, you started getting disproven and you couldn't handle it so you probably got angry and they decided you weren't ready.
@@elliotu9268 no you're lost I was a member for 5 years
@@matthewfeathers7793 I’ve been a member much longer…what’s the point?
Brooooo my first meeting with them was yesterday!!!!!!! And the same thing you said is the same thing I did! What the
I recently went to a A few Bible studies with them. They started by pointing out I’m celebrating the wrong sabbath and should be celebrating the festivals. They showed me scriptures that made me question why my church was not. They were very careful to not theybelieve or give me the name of their church. I’m a born again believer that had been away from church since Covid and was not in the Bible for about a year. Needless to say a Bible study drew me in. They’re teaching made me fearful and made me question if what I thought was biblical or what I was taught in church. Needless to say I started reading my Bible again. I stayed skeptical but continued to go because with every teaching they gave I wanted to find the truth in my Bible .
Here are some things that should make you question y their church.
1. They are not straight forward in what they believe when they approach you.
2. You can not attend a service until you get baptized in the name of Jehovah, Jesus, and who they believe is second coming Christ.
3. They would never send me scriptures to study their truth from the Bible and never answered my questions based on scripture against their teachings.
4. They dismiss the holy spirit if you have not received it from their church.
5. They claim to hold the book of life, that they write your name in. ( I actually told them that is cute) The next time I came for a study she went over the book of life in scripture and I realized they were dead serious in believing they have the authority to put someone in the book of life.
6. God the mother?????
Believe me there are many other red flags.
Every single thing you’ve said is what I went through. Wow
literally went through all of this yesterday, was really sad because I lost a great friend just because I challenged her faith after she came at me
When they dismissed the Holy Spirit so i knew but still stayed but I thank God for getting me out. They call secracy “wisdom”
Wtf I am going through this right now. Crazy how we all have the same experience. Gonna cancel the next bible study we scheduled for tomorrow.
@@noahthegreat190 cuz they like a robot just do the same things with anyone who wanna evangelicals
Love to see Apologia and Mike Winger working together. I'm reformed and disagree with him on some things but Mike is really great and his content is great. I STRONGLY recommend it.
I went to this church when I first started seeking Jesus for like 2 days.
I read Matthew 24 and gave my life to Jesus and harshly rebuked these heretics!
MIKE WINGER!
I KNOW! My online worlds keep colliding & it freaks me out. I'm convinced all these "internet people" live in a giant commune where they all know each other!
@@Yesica1993 haha right? They are all neighbors!🤣
Mighty Mike!
Mike Winger > Kip Winger
This is so scary I’m doing research on this church because my best friend has become completely brain washed by these people I’ve gone to a couple of their lessons just to make him happy and they really are trying to get this into my mind idk how to help my friend they completely have him under control and they encourage him to get his friends to join the church mind you we are all minors... I think they are targeting us because we might be more gullible then other people.
It’s a very sad story.
I’ll be sure to keep you guys in prayer.
Please please be reading your Bible! Get your friend to read his too! Maybe send him this video. In my mind, if they think that guy Onsong was Jesus but they are changing his teaching and saying he was wrong then that refutes it right there.
As an ex member of this church. I would suggest you to spend some more time with your friend and make sure you tell him that you care about him. Do Not speak against the church , because new recruits are told to cut off anyone who speaks against the church.
@@audreywagnon5397 I have been a member for a considerable amount of years. Nothing has changed
@@it9634 First know why they believe what they believe. Like actually know the prophecies and verses. then maybe you can understand why all the members try and hold onto their faith as much as they can.
was 17 yrs old in my 2nd yr of college about to enter campus, was approached by a young lady around 5 years older than me and asked if i knew god the mother. i was honestly curious, went along with the lady after class to their place (i dunno why i didn't even think about being easily abducted and sold for prostitution which sadly happens extremly often in the philippines).
first day seemed normal a lotta short bible verse references heavily focused on beliefs like statues is a form of idolatry and their ceremonies pretty tame. i was extremely skeptic and bombarding her with questions. nothing seemed abnormal cause i know there are other religions that have similar beliefs and not far compared to what was taught growing up in religion class cause she kept on referencing the bible.
the second day was when they dropped the bomb and told me that GOD THE MOTHER WAS A KOREAN WOMAN WHO WAS CURRENTLY ALIVE. i wanted to leave right there and then but i felt scared. it crossed my mind that they could easily imprison or kill me if i didn't agree cause i was alone in a house which was headquarters or something. i just ended up going along with it and THEY BAPTIZED ME THE SAME DAY!
i was seriously confused when it was happening. it felt so wrong cause i didn't believe a thing but was pretending to get it over with and get tf out of the house. the baptism was in a huge bathtub looking thing in a bathroom. i thought while it was happening "does this even count?" cause i don't believe anything they said. i was extremely scared that they might lock me in cause nobody knew i was there (cause they mentioned the day before that i should not mention it to anyone even family or friends cause a lotta people are close minded and negative red flag but im dumb) if i didnt go thru with it.
when i went home i blocked their numbers and i was constantly stealthy otw to campus for 2 weeks. i never told it to anyone cause it was an embarrassing weird unexplainable experience and i know anyone who hears my story would say i was dumb to go with a stranger to a house in the first place (sexual assault and murder is high here in our country).
4 years later i was watching documentaries on yt and ended up on cults and then it sinked it that it was a cult. i feel shookt and so dumb to only realize it after 4 years it happened, i just thought they were weird people and didn't know what a cult was at that time 🤦🏻♀️
Wow. I also have had a similar experience to this. I am so sorry.
God bless you ❤
Wow.. great that you got away without incodent. This is all the more reason to read your Bible n get wisened up with the Truth before being preyed upon again by spiritual vampires.
I was a member of this cult for about 9 months,I was completely brain washed, and constantly anxious, because they told me I wasn't doing enough and I had to do more, thankfully my friends and family helped me leave
Dang you let somebody brainwash you?? That’s horrible
@@justanother7002 it easier than you think, at the time I wasn't in the best place mentally
@@justanother7002 they have convinced scientists, professors, politicians, musicians, pastors etc you'd be surprised.
How are you convinced to leave my friend just joined this church and she’s immensely brainwashed bad I don’t know what to say to her to get her to leave
@@torigann3485 it's hard, you have to be there for her the best way possible,send her as many articles as possible, at some point they will convince her to cut you off,but don't give up,that's what my friends and family did for me,I almost lost all of my friends
I remember a college mate took me to one of these cult events and it was scary…It was like walking in to a room full of sales man with separate cubes forcefully trying to convert people.. They were baptizing people there. They believe god has a mother and lives in south korea which doesn’t state in the bible. I’ll never forget this BS
Wow. I'm Korean and they are pretty big in Korea (it is a Korean "church"...).
Something interesting is that many of these cults - Moonies, Church of God, Shincheonji, JMS, etc. - are born in Korea and it's amazing (not in a good way) to see that they actually expand to the whole world -... and I also wonder why are so many cults are born in Korea.
Fighting is heaviest on the battle front.
Because this is a Prophecy That God will Appear in Korea. You Didn't know ? Better to Study Bible.
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I was in this organization for 9 years. It was hard for me when getting out, because I couldn't relate with the idea that I just needed to find the "right" church, and that WMSCOG was just not a "true" Christian church. The thing is I was agnostic when I joined, I didn't believe in Christianity. So arguing about whether or not it was truly Christian was a point that made no sense to me. I'm glad there was one resource available when I left that was not Christian based. That being said, I really appreciate what you all are doing, because as you said, resources in general are not available! This organization is ruthless and intelligent. It is a highly sophisticated organization. You are providing a valuable resource to Christian people who get sucked in. I am SO happy to see this, because you are helping people get out. When you speak about learning what they teach so you can approach members from the world that they're in, that is THE WAY! THIS is how you get people out. And getting people out is what matters. Please keep getting people out.
I was a person who helped to try and battle people like you. There's a whole department just for battling people who are helping to expose this organization, and that department will give certain members tasks to help to this end. Now that I'm out and have had some time to deal with the trauma of it, I am trying to do my part, (especially now that a judge has ruled the NDA's are unenforceable), so that people like me who may not be otherwise religious can have resources to escape. I have all the truth books. And some of the sermon books. Also the new song books and etc. I want to mention that just like they have changed the truth books and new song books (and continue to) to support their morphing dogma, they change everything to suit their needs. For example they changed imaging to show themselves as more family friendly over the past few years (as you said they have routinely (at least while I was a member) encouraged abortions and discouraged children, because the world was going to end at any time and we needed to focus on the gospel. Due to the lawsuits, investigations, and public backlash they have put great effort into appearing family friendly. And I could go on! Like the volunteering aspect. Psh. We were reminded that the volunteering was just to bring glory to God (Mother) so that more people could come to Zion and be saved, but it didn't really matter as the earth was going to be destroyed at any moment. Later that transformed, (especially with the growth of the the We Love You foundation) to having to bring glory to Mother so she can win the Nobel Peace prize. And it goes on.
As far as why they are evangelism heavy. Yes. It is correct that we were told not to evangelize to certain people, people who would not advance the gospel (advance financially, and as far as labor is concerned). In the beginning as a new member another sister and I were hurt and confused by this, and brought up what Jesus did. The leader of our church said "I am not Jesus" AND he told us then that those people would be saved in the end. But you know, as time goes on and you're not a new member, you start to be told the real reasons for things. It's not sugar coated anymore. At that time I had only been a member (baptised) for about a year, but I had only been an active participant for a few months. Later on we were told point blank to preach to white people, because we didn't have enough white people in our church and it looked bad (for photos white people would be brought to the front!), and to preach to people who looked like they had money so they could support Zion. Professionals. It was okay if they were in their 50s: college kids were for grunt work, established people were for finances. I remember them boasting when August, (he was a deacon by the time I left) emptied out his 401K to give to the church. He was preached to at one of our events (the purpose of the events) and the story was told over and over as an example of what we should aspire to. Good God.
But while evangelism was important to bring in money and expand, especially with lack of children, there were people who were given the blessing to care for and indoctrinate the children that did come. This was my blessing. I did love those kids like my own (as much as one can say that) but also these kids basically never saw their parents, so those of this with this blessing understood the magnitude of our position. This organization thought of everything. ALSO children had to give offerings as well, or they would be cursed. This is what the parents were told. We had to keep track of who did not give an offering. Besides tithing, (and the brown envelope, the food offering, the committee offering, the overseas offering, and so on) you could not come before God (for service) empty handed. Everyone was supposed to give a "free will" offering at service, the very lowest level of offering. If the child was an infant then the parent just needed to give the offering with their own. Once they were old enough the child had to put in the offering. We had an incident where someone was giving empty envelopes. I am so ashamed. We were told on Sabbath that once the time to provide the offering came we were to check the offerings as soon as the kids took them out. We kept it a secret. We had to do this to catch who it was that was giving their child an empty envelope, or else which child was stealing from the envelope. You know there's just so much. There's just so much. People feel like being in for a few months is a long time. Yeah. Imagine years of this. And I was never a title holder. So who knows what I wasn't privy to, despite the atrocious things I was already exposed to simply by my being a gospel worker.
About not having to learn the theology. Well, it's true that the theology of the WMSCOG is a lot. But for someone who wants to get their loved one out, I urge you to understand that tepid understanding of the Bible is not enough, and to take another route of action instead of trying to battle theology. The reason I say this is because as has been noted in this video, we are taught countermeasures. Meaning we learn the things that other groups believe (SDA, JW, Mormon, Pentecostal, etc.), we learn the arguments they bring against us, and then we learn how to combat it. So if you only understand the Bible from what you have been taught by your denomination or organization, it will absolutely backfire if you try and argue with a current member using what you know. Because we already have been taught what you know and we already have an answer to it, that you will not be able to answer if you are unprepared, which only furthers our conviction in "the truth". Of course, this does not apply to people who have a broader understanding of the scripture. But in my experience, even people who go out and evangelize don't always have that knowledge. I am saying the WMSCOG trains us like soldiers; they even call it a war. So if you don't' have a broad understanding of the scripture, and if learning the theology of the WMSCOG is too overwhelming, please, the best thing to do is to try a different method of getting your loved one out than arguing scripture with them.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to learn about this and take them on. I don't believe in God anymore, not in that way, but I believe you all are doing God's work. You can give people like me the bravery to speak out, despite the likely potential for backlash. And you open the eyes of so many, so they don't waste their lives. At some point it just isn't worth it to get out. You've already given up everything. Cut ties with everyone you love. You know, they do say after a certain point: 'What will you do if you leave? You have nothing.' Which is true. But that's by design.
You are right when you say, people wont be able to argue scripture with us. Members can take on veteran pastors in other churches. us: Lords supper happens during the supper time. How did it get changed to breakfast time?
them: idk it doesn't matter go study the scriptures because God lives in me and the holy spirit speaks to me!
I guess I can't be sucked into these groups since I don't believe in tithing 😆 😂 🤷 😅 🤣. Tithing IS NOT a New Testament command whatsoever.
When I was in college I remember these people on campus proselytizing. They came up to me a few times while eating lunch. After I let them give me their presentation I would share the gospel with them; once I did this, they would quickly get super defensive and actually became militant and angry. There was literally no reasonings with them. It was actually quite scary. They are like robots.
Yeah it is pretty crazy. They truly do seem like robots as I’ve had several run ins with them. I still couldn’t grasp their point of view. No matter what scriptures you use, they either get defensive or counter. Pray they see the true light of Christ and realize the fallacy their apart of.
@@christophertorres79 : I pray they get exposed and shut down! Imagine how many unsuspecting people will be deceived by these cults!!!
yes they so angry when i said something against them
Someone came up to me at Mall of America and asked if I believed in God. I said “absolutely, yes”….she then started telling me God was a woman. I just walked away. Wonder if it was this group?
That sounds like them.
Spiritual snake oil salesmen
I think that was Ariana Grande who you spoke with
Two women from this group showed up at my daughter and son-in-law’s apartment in Georgia five years ago.Thankfully, they are well grounded and knew these people weren’t Christian and weren’t even Jehovah’s witnesses. They talked for a while and my daughter just kept refuting them with the Bible. They didn’t like that. They left and never came back.
Don't do that to us atheists!
Ahnsahnghong teachings are true. Every teaching backed by BIBLE.
Nope false teachings
@GlamCammHair
Every wmscog's teaching is _not_ backed by the bible.
Ahnsanghong himself NEVER claimed he was Jesus or claimed that he was god. Wmscog falsely claimed he was god. See the difference?
Yeah, you're so correct. Jesus came back as a Korean guy only to die by sudden heart attack and then his side chick is the slut of all creation, I mean whore of all creation...I mean mother god, sorry. Yeah, that relationship between the 2 seems truly biblical. I totally believe it.
Can someone answer me this. Does the Bible not tell us to partake in the Passover? Does it not prophesy about Christ coming a second time with a new name?(revelation 3:12) to bring final salvation back to us before Judgment? (Hebrews 9:27-28). Was Jesus not the Prophetic King David in which King David ruled Israel for 40 years. Jesus was Baptized and Preached for 3, then was killed which left 37 more years for his second coming to finish. No more or less because that wouldn’t be prophecy correct? I’m not saying this with Pride, but I’m saying this because if the scriptures testify about these things. And Christ Ahnsahnhong has (by your own admission Taught the world about Passover, Sabbath Day(Saturday worship), third day worship(Tuesday), 7 feasts of God) which are all practices that we have to keep for salvation along with following the commandments when the world holds Sunday worship, communion, Christmas Service, Easter service, Ash Wednesday and these other holidays and practices that aren’t anywhere in the Bible and worship Crosses and other idols. Can someone else, or anyone else tell me someone besides Christ Ahnsahnhong who brought back the teachings of the Bible in the timeframe that was prophesied about?
My older brother is currently an active member of this church. we have not seen him in about 5 years now, maybe longer. He has since been married and had a child. He is VERY deep. I tried to reach out to him and he completely came at my throat. He wanted me to prove to him where the easter bunny was in the bible. I told him that I would do that once he proved to me that this "holy mother" was also in the bible, he did not respond. He resorted to calling me pitiful and a coward when he could not provide me with what he was also asking me to provide him. He is so brainwashed and has been for so long but I have not lost hope. I just had one question which was "Are you studying an actual Bible? like THE Bible, or are you studying from books written by the opinions of people (which he states he did not believe in). He also could not answer that question and immediately got defensive. I don't know him anymore :(
Replying to ask if anyone knows of any support groups for people who have family members who are actively in this church?
@@aliciaherring3013I was solicited exactly one week ago in a walmart at 10pm. Felt fishy the whole time.
Just let him go. These people are lost. Let God reach him. He sounds like an idiot anyways. We all have loser family members. Some shown their stupidity in various ways. Apparently these people think that a Korean man who died of a sudden heart attack (that somehow is 'the root of Jesse' or blood line of David) was the 2nd coming of Christ and had a side chick (aka adulterer mistress) is mother shut, I mean mother whore..., I mean mother god. And this relationship is totally biblical and holy.
What losers these people are. How stupid can a person be?
These people also try to stress the occult idea of a lost gospel message when in fact that Jesus said His message will never be lost in the earth! These people say that for 1500 years, Jesus' message got "lost," but is here again..this totally contradicts Jesus' direct quite from the gospels! These people claim that they have a resurfaced gospel message. That's impossible according to Jesus.
Such clowns & losers.
My wife was approached by two of them at Walmart last year. The more experienced one stayed back a bit and observed while the newer girl tried to get my wife interested. She asked her weird stuff about “Mother God” and ended up getting my wife’s phone number. She was texting her aggressively for a few days trying to get her to meet them for lunch until my wife had to finally tell her very sternly that she wasn’t interested. They are very persistent.
OMG MY GOOOOOOSH THIS EXACTLY THING HAPPENED TO ME THE OTHER DAY....IT REALLY THREW ME OFFF...SHE JUST TEXTED ME TONIGHT BUT I LEFT IT ALONE. WOOOOOOOOW SOOOO CREEPY.
So is Satan.
my sister is part of this. they send her out to recruit other people. she's been in for almost a decade. i've learned about the stories of ex-members and that arranged marriages happen. i believe my sister is in one as she married someone that was her acquaintance at the time.
I love this video for one specific reason. Mike winger and the Cultish team have pretty different theological stances on alot of subjects but they are able to set their differences aside and have a very productive and sobering conversation
I love Mike! Besides Calvinism, what other differences am I skipping over?
Definitely pre-millennial post-millennial stuff
Like Mike always says, we're all brothers and sisters in Christ as long as we believe the core doctrine of Jesus'cleansing blood. The secondary issues can be debated and disagreed on without it affecting our core beliefs. I'm premillennial myself and definitely not Calvinist but good bible teaching is good bible teaching and apologia is good even if I disagree with some of their beliefs.
Thank you Apologia Studios so much! I am 15 years old and now I'm ready to confront them if they ever have the gull to try and lead me away from my Heavenly Father!
I was approached by one of these people today, he started off very nice and left very angry! Thank God that I knew enough of my word to refute his points!
I'm a freshman in college and a new member and this video read my mind I was starting to fear they were right.
I am still waiting for the day when Pastor Mike and pastor Jeff will have a discussion with each other!
You should be weary of any group that encourages you to use material outside of the Bible. Yes, there are a lot of good commentary out there, but true biblical knowledge will always come from the Bible.
42:56 Wow! Mike Winger watched my video. That's awesome. I'm the former member who tells the story of the onions.
#savethechildren
@J Mireles Hi. This is my video: czcams.com/video/65F8wV6MO-Y/video.html
and this is my biological sister's video:
czcams.com/video/Irmx10L9U-M/video.html
this video used to be on youtube but WMSCOG had youtube take it down, so it was then uploaded on this website:
www.examiningthewmscog.com/the-world-mission-society-church-of-god-predicted-the-end-of-the-world-in-1999/
WMSCOG tried to take down this video too, but didn't succeed. It is a recording of the lady they call God the Mother.: czcams.com/video/j0euSc286jI/video.html
This channel also has a lot of information: czcams.com/channels/YqoKPZE3LamFiiUE9DTtog.html
Instagram: instagram.com/questioning_the_wmscog/
Humor: instagram.com/wmscog_memes/
Link to Ahnsahnghong's book where he refutes the idea of Mother God: ncpcog.co.kr/rb/home/b/0604/441
czcams.com/video/hY55nmTlyCE/video.html
They not only take the bible verses out of context but also their founder's teachings too. (Ahn Sahng Hong).
WMSCOG does have a reputation for suing for copyright, defamation and trademark. (Just letting you know ahead of time.) That's why in my video I made sure to say: "these are my opinions and experiences" because that way it can qualify as freedom of speech.
Thanks for the links. I'll check it out!
@grant gee their own founder. The man they believe is “God” Ahnsahnghong he wrote things that contradict the WMSCOG doctrine. But WMSCOG deleted 3 chapters from the “green book” instead of 38 chapters of Ahnsahnghong’s writings , the WMSCOG sells highly edited books of the originals. The originals can be found in the NCPCOG website.
Also www.examiningthewmscog.com/ has a lot of information.
WMSCOG also takes bible verses out of context.
But many WMSCOG members will not listen. Their mentality is like: “why should we listen to a human over God the Mother?”
@grant gee I had a feeling that I suppressed. That what the WMSCOG was doing was wrong. So I eventually looked online. At first I heard what people said but I didn’t really listen to what they were saying because we were taught that if we did then it was eating from the “tree of knowledge of good and evil” and we can die spiritually if we do. Then i saw one of my biological sister’s testimony czcams.com/video/Irmx10L9U-M/video.html that confirmed that she also saw strange things inside the cult. Then I talked with her on the phone and she told me things. The cult hides a lot of things to keep up with appearances.
Every person that has left has different reasons. For one it might be because Ahn Sahng Hong and Zhang Gil Jah were married to different people not with each other therefore making their spiritual marriage adultery. For some that doesn’t affect them. But the changes to the “truth books” which are supposed to be Ahnsahnghong’s words do affect them.
For some it’s the suing that just didn’t sit right with them. Why does the “one true church” have to sue people to intimidate them into silence?
For others was that Armstrong was celebrating Passover before Ahnsahnghong. @ Armstrong’s church was also a destructive cult.
Everyone has different reasons for leaving.
I still have one of my biological sisters inside WMSCOG. She has been in for 10.5 years now. The mind control is real with this group.
Please contact me if you can!! Or help! How did you get out??? My sister is stuck
Praise God for sound doctrine!!! 😀
Paul writing to Timothy...
"Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you. Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress. Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers."
1 Timothy 4:13-16 ESV
These guys are always at my school preaching about god the mother, Mike Winger really helped me understand what they believe and how to show them that what they believe is heresy, can’t wait for the vid.
God's WORDS ARE the bible and they are the only words that matter. You can persuade people with words, but it's just talk and words for MONEY AND FOLLOWERS if there is NO BIBLICAL FOUNDATION.
I lost my best friend to this group years ago. I’m glad you guys are speaking out on this topic.
I'm sorry to hear that. Don't give up praying friend.
I lost my best friend too! We were friends since 8 years old and suddenly it all fell apart because of this cult. She cut me out of her life.
@@BonsaiTurt47 : I am sorry you lost your best friend! It makes me angry cults are destroying young people’s lives on campus!
@@Dream-bebe I lost my family to this Cult. I was married for 11 years and I came home last Thursday and she and the 2 girls were gone. They moved to CA and she got a job and apt all behind my back. This all happened after I told her I would never attend the church. 2 weeks later she left. I was working out of town for 3.5 years and coming home each weekend to let our youngest go to the HS she wanted. They never missed a Saturday or Tuesday and I always came last. I honestly think it was the best thing for me but they
@@coleanc They are adrift...You still don't know what that "church" is up to...
Yay! I Love Mike Winger!!
They came to my apt door a couple hours ago & almost got me he did like a 20 min bible study I thought he was Cristian but I was dead wrong , I mean I went to church with my mom when I was young but haven’t been in 8-9 years , I thought they where Christian n wanted to do a quick bible study , he had to be using a fake bible or some or just switched the verses around cause he put it in a way it sounded real but he left a lot out about they’re beliefs now I see he wanted me to get baptized asap and kept asking even said he could call a minister and baptize me in my living room , after watching this I’m shocked cause they almost got me & I do not need this rn 😭 I only got the name of the church from the address he sent me too get baptized at , they didn’t tell me its name …thank u god ❤️
Many similar groups have been around since I was in college 40 years ago.
Colleges and universities are pitri dishes for cults. We spoke with them daily. For some students involved in various cult groups it took a few years until they trusted our motive and care before their minds were released.
I have been studying with a member of this church for 2 days now. He first approached me and my wife at a walmart at 10pm, asking if we were Christians and if we've ever heard of "mother god" before. I said no and then the guy said "would you like to join a bible study." I knew it was a cult once he said the "mother god" part, but i played along to see what they actually teach. The guy offered to meet at a local coffee shop to have a bible study and so far, in the last 2 meetups, I've observed this guy make up a very well executed, twisted doctrine to fit his church's "real" gospel according to him. Any doctrine i brought up, he said "this is a false" or something to this affect. He even said Jesus' death isn't an eternal propitiation of sins of the past, present, and future of all mankind. I told him thats not what Jesus said. I knew solidly that this guy is truly on the wrong track at that point. I told him Jesus' death was willful and is stated to be a one and only eternal sin offering for all people. This is incontrovertible. Yet this guy had the nerve to say it isn't. I knew then and there that this guy is super deceived and lost, nevermind the fact that this guy is outright denying the written Bible and Jesus' direct quotes! But i still went along with this guy to hear him out and try to open his eyes in fact. I think i will stop after this 3rd bible study coming up. People are so lost. He actually told me that Jesus came back a 2nd time already and started teaching in 1948 ("according to prophecy") and that this new Jesus guy already "left this world.." I was then asked if I would accept this new Jesus again if he presented himself to me. I said, "probably not because i don't think Jesus would come and be unrecognizable as a mortal man, be asian, and live a full lifetime and die largely unknown without all the divine glory written about in Revelation."
What's really incredible is that this church member is a highly intelligent, intellectual, healthcare professional with a doctorate degree, yet he is totally brainwashed and deceived to buy into this sh*t that is leading him to hell. It's amazing that even bright people can be hooked and taken for such delusional, twisted teachings that aren't even easy to believe off mainline Christianity and straightforward bible reading. The amount of mental gymnastics and logical Twister this guy had to do was incredible. All along, I'm just listening, trying to keep my facial gestures stoic, and watching him twist the bible left and right for his newer blasphemous ideas. I wanna help him, but i don't think that's in my power. This guy is completely off the Jesus train at this point. I don't understand how people can buy into this cuckoo stuff that's so far off the general Christian message. I have a cousin that's also part of a cult in Singapore called "iglesia ni christo." I told her she's in a cult too. She denies it. Oh well. I'm not responsible for everyone that wants to remain deceived by will. I guess all we can do is pray and let God do His thing to reach the lost. It's all so tragic actually.
Yes, it's scary indeed.
Wmscog followers don't know scripture enough and like a spider weaving strand after strand of its web round the prey, wmscog does the same thing...spinning webs of false teachings around the minds of these followers until their minds are all filled completely with falsehoods. God help them.
We pray the Holy Spirit will remove the cobwebs of darkness from their darkened minds. Amen.
i got approached by them the moment i stepped foot out of target and something just seemed very culty. i grew up jehovah's witness and all the red flags just stood out so much. couldn't wait to dive into what they were talking about because i left confused
I've encountered these people twice. A group talked to me at my university and another time they came to my door. I wasn't able to find out what group they were from. Thank you for providing more information on them!
Just last night My girlfriend ran into two of these guys, he asked “can I read you a verse about God the mother” and I was like “go for it” he read genesis and started his explanation, to which my girlfriend and I challenged instantly. He talked about how they believe Jesus returned in 1948, if you go to church on Sunday you’re not a Christian, he challenged the Trinity, and all kinds of stuff….. we challenged him the whole time standing firm in our faith explaining the gospels and the creation of man to him. It was an hour long conversation. I told him things like…not to worry about the end times because if you have Christ and are saved you don’t need to worry, and that when god says “in our image” he’s talking about the Trinity,
He challenged it all and when he realized we were well educated in our faith, he didn’t like that. At the end he began to get disrespectful, judging us for not believing in what he believes, he said that since we don’t go to church every week we aren’t real Christians, and that since we go on Sunday we aren’t real Christian’s. We continued to challenge him in a respectful way then he laughed at my girlfriend when she made a point and was like “oh sorry” and she was like “yeah that was extremely disrespectful” and at the end he started walking away from us saying “you claim to bring people to Christ and to be a Christian but you’re just a False prophet!” And I responded saying “I never claimed to be a prophet, you came to us and we listened and we’re respectful, you started judging us and being disrespectful” and he again just said we were false prophets and turned the corner and walked away. They expected us to just be two dumb kids that they thought would be “easy recruits” but when they realized they were wrong they got hostile,
these people are brainwashed if you don’t agree with them their true colors show, it’s sad, Pray for them.
He showed his fangs when scripture rightly interpreted is thrown back at him.
I just started watching this video and in the first few minutes I saw SO many similarities between this group and Worldwide Church of God under Herbert W. Armstrong, which my family used to be a part of. Scary stuff! May God bless your ministry because this work it is so necessary to help people learn the truth and get free. 🙏🏽
What were their goals ?
People just don't read the Bible so this is why the general public get sucked into this shit. You get finessed into it by a snake oil salesman.
They’ve been getting on to the Naval base over here in San Diego. They tried to get me. I figured out it was a cult when they dropped the “we worship a mother deity on me”.
@Virginia Phillips So you claim Christ’s 2nd coming has already happened is that what you’re saying?
@Virginia Phillips 🤣🤣🤣 you clearly have not read your bible. You probably spend the majority of your time reading the books of the cult you are in. The truth about Christ has not been buried and was not unknown to the World. It’s always endured it always will endure. You guys don’t have secret knowledge of the bible or know the true way. Cults always use that blather. Christ is the true way.
@Virginia Phillipsno. You are spiritually blind. That’s why you are part of a cult that worships a woman’s deity.
@Virginia Phillips I recommend that you read 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (www.bible.com/bible/114/2TH.2.NKJV). It says that the second coming won't happen until AFTER the rebellion by the man of sin. The rebellion by the man of sin hasn't happened yet. Therefore, the second coming hasn't come yet which makes your religion invalid. Hope you get out of that heretical sect.
@Virginia Phillips First of all, numerology is bogus. Where in the bible does it support your mental gymnastics? Also "vicar of Christ" in Latin is "Vicarius Christi" not "Vicarius Filii Dei"
Did you even read that verse? It said that the second coming of Christ won't happen until AFTER the rebellion by the man of sin. So I say again, who is the man of sin?
So grateful to find this video. I was just approached by a member of this church. I live in a small town in the south so most churches are Baptist or their beliefs I no longer connect with but talking to the young lady they seem more aligned with my biblical knowledge than most of the churches in the area but after a bad cult like experience years ago I'm very cautious of whom I associate with. So I immediately Googled and again I'm thankful for the info.
Nice to see this interaction with a brother who's less than perfect on soteriology. See ya on the last day, Mike. Y'all keep up the hard work.
And that's a pretty important issue to be less than perfect on. I believe some forms of Arminianism classifies as a false gospel.
@@MegaTigers01 You're not wrong. I'm not a Mike Winger expert but am familiar with his work and have seen several critiques of his positions on The Dividing Line. In sum, I think that while it's important to believe rightly, we must approach these issues and one another with humility, careful to avoid the assumption that we've got it all nailed 100% and anathematizing everyone who disagrees here and there.
@@jamesgasaway7784 Yes, I agree.
@@MegaTigers01 the same way, i believe there are forms of calvinism that classify as false gospel.
I'm neither calvinist, nor armianist, i believe free will and election is working together. I believe either side is putting God in a box
Finally! We need more content on this Cult! They run rampant through so many colleges!
Your cult runs rampant throughout the world!
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it's better for you to stay in silent.
If you does not know anything about Bible . Godblessyou~
@@FirstLast-ir9tx I know everything there is to know about the bible!
@@brotherjohnnyxXxX clearly you don’t
Yes these people came up to me at HEB, I was interested at first becuase I though they were going to tell me the Gospel but they started saying Jesus came back in 1938 and there’s two God one the father and one a mother . Goodness
I was approached by them twice. The first time while I was shopping in a store. The second time I was in a mall waiting for my kids and approached by one woman. Both times I was asked if I knew God the mother? 😮
My dads side of the family is super sucked into this cult and i was forced to attend for a summer as a child it was super scary i was constantly told that me and the non believers in my family are going to burn in hell and it felt like whole days dedicated to preparing for the afterlife i was 11 at most
Just got visited by two members today. I’m Pronomian, but I’m glad the Holy Spirit alerted me to something being wrong
My neighbor just invited me to this "Church" because I was looking for fellowship. I looked into this and I got RED flags via the Holy Spirit. "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path" It has a very new agey feel and strange beliefs that do not line up with scripture. I turned away and said
" Halleluia Lord..thank you that I know you and the way to go." And..THIS " church" is not the way.
Also ..she guilt tripped me (tried) telling me this group obediently worships on Sat.."The TRUE day" she said. Well..I'd rather be in worship with true believers on Sunday, than the Ungodly on Saturday. "Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
I live right next to one of their churched and wow. they are there all the time. I always thought somethjng was off about thhem
They are actually on to something....I would know...SOPHIA..LOOK HER UP...PROVERBS 8:15
A guy chatted me up about them while we were waiting in line to get propane at a gas station. He started talking about there being "different baptisms" and other wild stuff. He said the name of the church a dozen times 😬. I instantly thought "oh, this cat is totally in a cult".
So glad your spreading awareness, I personally ran into this group years ago at University and they are very difficult and resistant to the gospel. Glad this darkness is being exposed!
31:56 @Mike Winger, I don’t know whether they changed the number of the song “He has saved me” in their new song book to a new one now. This recording was done 3years ago so there is a chance they have seen this video and made changes in their song book. I don’t really know. They are known for changing their ways and approach whenever they receive public redicule so I won’t be surprised. But the number for that song is currently 151 in their song book. Regardless, whatever you stated in that text is true.
🎶 Though having eyes, I failed to see; though having ears, I failed to hear the words of life, words of the covenant. You opened my ears. Not by the name of Jehovah, nor by the name of Jesus, could I ever be saved! For this sinful son, Father Ahnsanhong, God Almighty, came down with bread and wine of life! He saved me🎵
That’s the text in the 1st stanza. I don’t know why people still follow this cult. They have clearly abandoned the redemption and salvation Jesus Christ has given mankind through the shedding his blood on the cross of Calvary. Hebrews 1:7; 10:19. I pray the Holy Spirit of God convicts all the innocent people who have been deceived into this false teaching.
John 15:16
You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He may give it to you.
Yes we need to know the Bible however it’s also good to know what particular cults teach so we are prepared and Know which particular Scripture we will need
They (this cult) have been working on the campus of Cape Town University they have a training venue nearby. Thank you for dealing with this cult.
Woah really, you are probably the first person in South Africa to mentioned them. I was approached at an NMU Campus and was slightly taken of guard, but had to recover quickly.
These peops are scary good with meeting new people. I bumped into two dudes around Cincinnati and at first I thought they were a denomination or something. Then once I started to listen to their beliefs, they have a whole other communion, they said that every other church was wrong, etc. Thank God he blessed with good mentors in my youth, because I had an answer and i was prepared to go toe to toe with them. However, once they saw i wasn't an easy mark, the said that they had to go as if afraid that i might change their minds. I hope to be able to speak with others who do outreach to have a response to these type of cults. Hopefully even being able to convince some to come to orthodox Christianity, instead of the cheap imitation.
I'm just starting out. I don't think I'd even heard of this group before Mike mentioned them on his channel. I look forward to learning about them.
Hey man. Seriously happy to hear about that from you. When you say starting out do you mean your a new believer in the Lord?✝️
@@eugenenunn4900 the Bible says the cross is an idol. Jesus said remember him through his blood and body. The CROSS is a MAN MADE PIECE OF WOOD, and IT CANNOT give life, NOR should it or ANY inanimate object be used to try and show faith.
Never heard of before . 1.15am here in the UK and watching ! Chimmed in a little later , but looking forward to this 😁
Ditto, actually I'm always late to everything coming from the states, including Bible Thinker.
Good thing you are watching this, i was unsuspectingly ambushed by them on Tuesday at a University campus in SOUTH AFRICA, and i was literally baffled the first few minutes, strangley the only reason i didn't completely panic was because a couple of months before two girls in the same campus area had been giving out Chris Oyakhilome's false teachings and i got into talking to them. So when these two World Missions Society members came i had to just do a similar thing and refute mother god.
I joined this church in my early 20's, about 9 years ago, I wasn't really religious at the time. Changed my whole life in that 7 month period and then fell out. Really messed my mind with Christianity. I still am a believer in god and sometimes wonder what the truth is. Im not religious now but I do believe in things they preached about, sounds weird. I'd really like to talk to other people about this and get some closure.
I’m know I’m getting this a little late, but what do you mean by closure? You said you’d like to talk to other people about this, I’m a Christian and I’m an open book. Don’t know if that’s what you meant.
I am same. But the members of the church are very nice and they helped me a lot with my confidence issues and made me do better. Some of the things, if most makes sense. And I doo believe too but I am not religious person a well
So I would like some closure too, if you find it then can you tell me about too?
@@evernightdream676 I’m here if you want to talk I just decided to leave and I was a member for 6 years
@@evernightdream676 Do you need to talk to someone about Jesus? I am willing although I have never been through that deception before.
I used your "Prove that there's a holy mother in the Bible and that she's a Korean mistress adulterer and I will believe your message" to the guy from this church ..😅
When worlds collide...good things happen
Was just approached by them. Now the research begins! 😂😂
Thank you so much for this it gives me so peace i just got thrown off my feet by one of these preachers that said mother god
Same here, I was talking with what seemed to be leading up to a sibling in Christ, but it took a huge turn when they mentioned "Did you know Scripture proves there is a God the Mother?" Didn't know anything except that it was a false teaching. They offered to go over some verses with me but I had a meeting so I didn't have time. I was regretting not sharing the gospel with them, inviting them into fellowship, or learning their perspective at least... I could have made time. Not sure if I missed an opportunity or dodged a bullet... praying for them.
Born Again Philippines is coming so very, very near in my nation Philippines in Jesus Christ holy, mighty and powerful name I pray Amen.
Thank you for this video. An old co-worker and I met for coffee. In the conversation we began to talk about my faith and wham. She got out her Bible and a notepad and asked me if I had heard of the heavenly Father and mother. She went to town explaining things. I didn't feel good about it and came home and tried to watch a couple of videos. While watching only a couple of minutes and even doing some reading up on this church I kept getting a really weird feeling. As I was doing my research I kept getting this feeling I've never had before. I now know it's God's spirit telling me to stay away. I watched a couple of minutes of a video in my search for some answers and they seem to twist the meaning of scripture around.
I had the same feeling. My daughter has joined this place and I am praying that she get out of it, however, she is really deep into it.
Wow it was for sure the Spirit of God giving you that feeling. Three years ago (I had been saved for just under a year at that point) I was approached by one of these guys. I agreed to meet up with him for a study and discussion (always open for discussion) The second time I agreed to meet up again, he took me to his pastor and he took me through the scriptures for like 8hrs. It was really overwhelming and intense and I just had this really strange feeling the whole time, I can't explain the feeling but it was just completely weird and off. I agreed I'd meet them again but I got home very upset and cried to God about the whole ordeal because I couldn't understand what just happened. I got the strong impression that I must not go back to them, which I didn't. Even though I didn't believe what they were saying, I can understand how people can easily get swept up into it.
I agree with what you said.. their mother god idea is utter b.s.
I have been studying with a member of this church for 2 days now. He first approached me and my wife at a walmart at 10pm, asking if we were Christians and if we've ever heard of "mother god" before. I said no and then the guy said "would you like to join a bible study." I knew it was a cult once he said the "mother god" part, but i played along to see what they actually teach. The guy offered to meet at a local coffee shop to have a bible study and so far, in the last 2 meetups, I've observed this guy make up a very well executed, twisted doctrine to fit his church's "real" gospel according to him. Any doctrine i brought up, he said "this is a false" or something to this affect. He even said Jesus' death isn't an eternal propitiation of sins of the past, present, and future of all mankind. I told him thats not what Jesus said. I knew solidly that this guy is truly on the wrong track at that point. I told him Jesus' death was willful and is stated to be a one and only eternal sin offering for all people. This is incontrovertible. Yet this guy had the nerve to say it isn't. I knew then and there that this guy is super deceived and lost, nevermind the fact that this guy is outright denying the written Bible and Jesus' direct quotes! But i still went along with this guy to hear him out and try to open his eyes in fact. I think i will stop after this 3rd bible study coming up. People are so lost. He actually told me that Jesus came back a 2nd time already and started teaching in 1948 ("according to prophecy") and that this new Jesus guy already "left this world.." I was then asked if I would accept this new Jesus again if he presented himself to me. I said, "probably not because i don't think Jesus would come and be unrecognizable as a mortal man, be asian, and live a full lifetime and die largely unknown without all the divine glory written about in Revelation."
What's really incredible is that this church member is a highly intelligent, intellectual, healthcare professional with a doctorate degree, yet he is totally brainwashed and deceived to buy into this sh*t that is leading him to hell. It's amazing that even bright people can be hooked and taken for such delusional, twisted teachings that aren't even easy to believe off mainline Christianity and straightforward bible reading. The amount of mental gymnastics and logical Twister this guy had to do was incredible. All along, I'm just listening, trying to keep my facial gestures stoic, and watching him twist the bible left and right for his newer blasphemous ideas. I wanna help him, but i don't think that's in my power. This guy is completely off the Jesus train at this point. I don't understand how peoplecan buy into this cuckoo stuff that's so far off the general Christian message. I have a cousin that's also part of a cult in Singapore called "iglesia ni christo." I told her she's in a cult too. She denies it. Oh well. I'm not responsible for everyone that wants to remain deceived by will. I guess all we can do is pray and let God do His thing to reach the lost. It's all so tragic actually.
@@thedreammakerATLtell her that doctrines like "mother god" are hidden teachings, and that God's word doesn't have any hidden teachings...
From my book, "Witnessing to the Cults: a practical study guide for Christian workers," by Alex Wilson & Christine Tetley, they write:
"We have seen that the Mormons, Iglesia ni Cristo, and Armstrong all claim to be the restoration of the one true church - beginning in 1830, 1914, and 1934 respectively! But if any of these cults is correct, it would mean that the Church founded by Christ through the Apostles died out and was nonexistent for more than 1,500 years. Yet Jesus specifically said that such a thing would not happen (Amen to that!!!). Jesus stated emphatically that the gates of Hades (that is, the power of death) should not prevail against the Church that He was going to build (Matt. 16:18).
Of course, Jesus did teach that three (unsaved people, "sons of the evil one") would grow up among the wheat (true Christians, "sons of the kingdom"). Jesus also taught that His disciples would vary in their fruitfulness: some would bring forth 100-fold, others 60-fold, and others 30-fold. But He never suggested at all that the wheat (true Christians) would disappear! (Matt. 13:23-30, 36-43)."
@@jag6138this is the subtle seduction of what a false doctrine is like.. it's slick, smooth, charming, has all the counter claims to challenge/reinterpret the Bible itself to make a completely new (occult) message from the blatant obvious one anyone can see just by cursory glance of any book in the Bible. This is how cool and slick and cunning the devil could be when he comes at you. You won't even know what hit you. You could be hooked and caught like a fish like the very people that are part of this demonic organization. Stay away, warn others, share your experience, warn others, learn your Bible, pray, and remain close to God. He is our anchor in these end times. Jesus said multiple times "let no one deceive you." Those words hit home when you encounter these kinds of snake oil cult people. Remember this, satan and his fallen angels and his lost followers (like these blinded cult members) can and will use Bible Scripture to manipulate you. satan tried to tempt Jesus in the desert when Jesus was alone for 40 days and nights.. Jesus even told satan that He was God when he said to satan, "do not tempt the Lord your God."
Remember that quote next time a muslim tries to ask you, "where in your Bible does Jesus say 'I am God..?" You tell them He only explicitly says it to satan in the desert when he was fasting and praying for 40 days and nights after He was baptized by John the Baptist.
Blessings, stay strong, and know your Bible for crying out loud! You all are freaked out because you don't know your scriptures! This is a warning to you and your family. satan is real and you will lose your soul if you cannot guard it with SOUND biblical understanding and doctrine. Read 30 mins per day (minimum) and watch out fast you sharpen up spiritually against all this deception around you!
I'm from Malaysia and a girl approached me, asking me if I knew about God the Mother. My Catholic mind immediately interpretated is as Mother Mary and I said, yes, I'm Catholic, I know about Mother Mary. She then started to correct me and told me what it actually is about. I started making huge hand gestures while asserting that I wasnt interested. She left me alone. Lol.
I was asked the same thing, "do I know of mother God" too at a local Walmart last week at 10pm.
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Amen. We have the mother of God.
There's no 'God the Mother'.
Only paganistic religions worship some god and his goddess.
Wmscog is no different.
@@eric.loves.to.fish1 yes! I thought she meant Mother of God initially, then she repeated God the Mother. So bizarre. Apparently, their main target is young women here.
@@billp7151 and their HQ is quite close by to where I live too! Luckily, I was only approached once. I dont go to the mall often so maybe that's why. Their target is young women here.
The devil would use people to talk bad about the church to lead everyone astray
Stoked!Mike is a solid and gracious Brother!
He's an Arminian? Not saying he isn't a Christian, but be careful of his handling of the word of God.
Over all, I totally agree with you! Solid YES! Gracious DEFINITELY!
@@LoveYourNeighbour. God's WORDS ARE the bible and they are the only words that matter. You can persuade people with words, but it's just talk and words for MONEY AND FOLLOWERS if there is NO BIBLICAL FOUNDATION.
Blessings, stay strong, and know your Bible for crying out loud! You all are freaked out because you don't know your scriptures! This is a warning to you and your family. satan is real and you will lose your soul if you cannot guard it with SOUND biblical understanding and doctrine. Read 30 mins per day (minimum) and watch out, fast, and sharpen up spiritually against all this deception around you!
At first I'd thought I'm about to watch a video from Mike Winger's channel, am surprised it was Apologia Studio's.
Same
Me too! I was so confused. Ha!
I'm reformed and got approached for the first time about this church and got confused but love you guys for doing this !!
Great video, I hope to see Mike Winger debate Jeff Durbin some day
Two girls came up to me on campus and they seemed very sweet and kind. They said they just wanted to do a bible study…The second and third time i saw them the girl was so pushy and intense about setting up a time to do a bible study. She was pressuring me to set up a time and i just remember feeling off about it. I stopped for a second to read about they actually believed in…my mouth dropped when I started to read reddits and ex members testimonies about what happens at that church. Just horrific.
Good to know about the books. I did get recruited but got out quickly. Felt something was off from the start
I'm a little confused. Mike Winger talks about studying the bible vs by vs in depth, and yet totally rejects reformed theology.
I've had multiple interactions with the WMSCOG while I was at ASU, and even some interactions at their church just a little south of Glendale Community College. Really happy to see Apologia talk about them with Mike Winger!
Would love to see Apologia have interactions with their members in person.
The Church of God said they binded me from going to Heaven. They also control me everywhere I go and work. They Said I had to follow them as the Holy Spirit and obey them.
Let me tell you Tammy, they have no power or authority in Heaven for it is our Lord Jesus who has all authority and power over heaven and earth 🙏💪 Hallelujah! These people are lost.. may God have mercy on them and may they turn from their wicked ways. If you believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior I can tell you with 100% certainty and authority from the texts of our Bible that you will be saved and you will enter into the kingdom of Heaven. Don't fear and trust Him only 🙏 there is only one Jesus and He is that same Jesus who died on the cross for our sins 2000 years ago. God bless you
Why is it ok to change the Sabbath day to Sunday when the Bible clearly says it is Saturday and emphasized to keep it in the 4th commandment?
Someone please use ONLY Scriptures to answer this means that nothing should be taken away or added on to our Book.
Nobody is going to answer that question, you just have to keep the sabbath as god has revealed it to you to keep. It’s not on Sunday though, that’s for sure. Me and my family just observe it at home amongst ourselves.
They love this strawman. No one changed any day to go to church. Give me a break.
@giq8747 Think about this. Look at your calendar. What is the 7th day of the week? Saturday right. God rested on the 7th day which is the Sabbath Day. The Bible says that Jesus rose the day after Sabbath Day (Matthew 28). So if you believe Resurrection Day is on Sunday then that further proves that the Sabbath Day is on Saturday. The 4th commandment tells us to keep the Sabbath Day Holy. Even Jesus did this. Constantine was the ruler who changed our day of worship from Saturday to Sunday and inserted many traditions that we see today that were not originally a part of Christianity. Thats why we have things like Christmas (Christ Mass) pushed on us when Christians don't even go to mass, Catholics do and if we believe we are the full truth, why would we have to take a holiday from a different religion? All this was a tough pill for me to swallow too. The Bible is still 100% the truth but what some ppl are teaching is not actually in the Bible and we were warned of this. Message me any time if you want to talk or study.
@controlyourtemperjeez8220 Amen sis. I'm glad you and your family are doing your best to stay true to God's Word. May God bless you all
I wonder if this is the group that approached me at Target last year. It was 2 young women. They asked if I was Christian and then went into a script about how modern Christians misunderstand the Bible and pointed out a list of contradictions one of them being that the Bible commands that we worship on Saturday instead of Sunday. Is that part of their m.o.?
I want to thank you for doing such thorough research and presenting it to the public. I have recently been approached by a believer of WMSCOG. Your videos have certainly been a beautiful tool to help build me up as a follower of God and equip me with truth from the Living Word. I pray God planted a seed of truth in her heart as a result of our conversation (if you can call it that). My heart is grieved to know the many sheep being mislead. May God reveal truth and rescue them from this bondage. Thank you again, sincerely. Also, your Christmas video was helpful as I struggle with society losing the focus of Christ. It has been an internal conflict for me because when I researched it, the first things I found were lies about it being pagan in root. I was concerned if it pleased the Lord at all. I have a better understanding and peace about it now. Thank you for listening to the Holy Spirit. Praying for your ministry and May God Bless You! Numbers 6:24-26
I’m in Columbus Ohio. Thank you for the video. I watched this a year or two ago as an interesting thing to know and just moved on to another group. I was just approached in a Walmart by one of these people. I pointedly asked what group he was with so I knew how to approach him as I thought he was a “normal” cult. As soon as I heard the church name my defenses went up and I shut down the conversation as I was feeling uncomfortable and couldn’t put my finger on it. As soon as I pulled this up again it all came back. Glad I didn’t engage. Thanks for your content!
My sister and her family is part of this insane crap. I don't know how to convince her that they're crazy.
I'm sorry to hear that. Keep praying for them!
@Virginia Phillips I am praying for you 🙏
@Virginia Phillips please watch the whole video
Goran, please show them this video and mike wingers other videos on this topic.
Praying for you. Show them how modalism is an unilaterally understood heresy.
PRAY FOR THEM
The 2 times I talked with them, they mentioned mother God. They use Genesis. Let us make man and woman in our own image.
I had one of these "churches" move into our neighborhood. Very well funded. They are essentially modalists with some extra surprises.
Same here! Where do you live? GA?
@@jesusisrisen1202 Yes sir. Born and raised
@@calebb5490 What a minute? Do you live near Loganville or Grayson?
@@jesusisrisen1202 yup, "where's loganville" was my town. Now I'm a missionary in europe
@TheEnd Sorry man, but these places do not hold to biblical trinitarianism. God is defined as one essence and 3 persons. Not the modalism taught in those chapels.
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Do you guys believe in anything, have faith in a certain religion or spirituality?
May the Lord destroy heresy wherever it is found.
Before you say what your lord can or cannot do! Provide irrefutable evidence of his existence!
Brother Johnny what is it to you? If they are right that he exists, then you are in trouble. If they are wrong, then nothing matters anyway.
@@LeevesFPS I'm not convinced that he exist! So why would i care if he's butthurt that i don't worship him? Everything matters cause this is the only life i know!
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Got approach by this group on the island of Barbados this weekend, they focused more on the second come of Christ, the lady was nice, but was slightly aggressive the terms of her keeping talking when I was clearly trying to end the convo and leave, she tried inviting me to bible study, I just told her I was happy at my church, she said how alot of christian churches arent teaching true christianity or something, and that Easter, Christmas etc are pagan festivals that churches celebrate I just repeated myself and proceeded to walk off
i mean those holidays are pagan
Pastor Mike you Rock. So intelligent and a great educator. Looking forward to checking your videos out. Fascinating stuff.
I once got lunch with a coworker thinking we were going to have a Bible study together. He told me everything he believed, which is everything in this video. I'm glad I was confident in the real truth of the Bible, but his beliefs definitely spooked me. He was always at his church if he wasn't at work. I often wonder what happened to him and if he's still there.
God, save him!
I was just approached at Walmart by this nice young lady asking me if I am Christin and believe in God I toks her yes I am but at the moment I don’t attend a church and she started out cool saying things that I know from the bible but then she said God made everything on Earth in likes of what’s from Heaven so like on earth there is a mother and a father and children and right there I was like wait so God is our father and we have a mother!! I found this video on youtube and I am all set. Coincidentally I was in a bad mood and thought God might have sent her to give me some message, I don’t think it was God who sent her.
I have a friend that introduced me to her “church” she kept saying it was non denomination but would not say the name- I figured ok so I did a few virtual bible studies & they pressed heavily on Passover as the one way to entrance into heaven. I eventually spoke up about it, stated I didn’t want to hurt the groups feelings but I didn’t believe in Passover being the foundation of eternal life. I was told essentially to screw off in the nicest way possible.
I’m glad I spoke up but I was seriously considering delving further into this fabricated religion, this cult. Please don’t feel ashamed for trusting your gut and walking away from things that make you uncomfortable.
I was invited into the church in the same manner! Only difference is that I haven’t been so vocal about my qualms. I’m more so just repeating back everything that they say to me in hopes that I can get this whole Bible study, baptism, and Passover thing over with and finally be able to really delve into the nitty gritty of the church and it’s foundations. I’ve always been interested in different religions and while I’m atheist I figured that this would be a fun way to do some first hand research into a cult and it’s workings. I mean if not now, when 🤷🏽♀️
all the more reason to read your Bible n get wisened up with the Truth before being preyed upon again by spiritual vampires.
@@elarca1742even as an atheist, you're still toying with a trained group of spiritual vampires. I'd be very cautious. They'll have you hooked into it and brainwashed in no time. You can't play with the devil and not get hurt eventually.
As an x-Seventh Day Adventist, Is there any Cultish episodes about SDA? I feel that there are definitely some Cultic aspects of it, especially when I was young visiting her house and the guide showing us where she saw an "Angel of light". Definitely, would be really helpful if you guys covered that, as the creator of WMSCOG coming from SDA origins, which can feel like a breeding ground for Cults. I do believe some SDAs are most definitely saved, but it feels borderline cultish.
Same with Hebrew Roots as I was in that belief system for over 5 yrs, it can be cultish for some in that movement for sure!
@@beckyfrechette4439 My comment is getting likes, so it would be fantastic to dive into this more.
(Full disclosure: I am a memberof the SDA church) Seventh-day Adventism is a little more difficult to group as a cult because it's not monolithic (anymore). It's no surprise to me that cults have grown out of SDAism like WMSCOG and Davidians but apart from Sabbath keeping and vegetarianism it's hard to distinguish some SDAs from any other Arminian protestant. Yes, soul sleep is pretty distinctive and I think SDAs are the only largish denomination that holds to Annihilationsim but I see those as fairly secondary issues. Having said that there are some cult-like issues in parts of the SDA church. If this subject were to be tackled (and I would welcome it) I would suggest that differences within the SDA church with respect to E.G White and other stuff be acknowledged. Again, there are cult-like issues within parts of the church but unlike most cults it is not monolithic.
Just one other example, most cults will have you read and listen to only cult approved books/sermons/etc. Yet I can talk to my pastor and drop names like Piper, Mohler, Sproul etc and not only will they know what and who I am talking about but they'll acknowledge their work/life as good despite some differences in theology.
@@snoopster77 Such a great comment as I think as a denomination it tends to be a bed for cultic growth, but also faithful followers and lovers of God (my father). I think diving into it more deeply theologically from a perspective outside of SDA denomination would be really insightful and encouraging.
i had my encounter with them in our dorm. they talked about the mother god, that onsong hong is christ, the second coming. they offered us to do the passover in one condition that we must be baptized first.
I hope you sent meeting with them anymore. What did you say to them?
Wmscog's baptism is an invalid one. Because it involves an alien name of some korean dude masquerading as Christ.
This sounds like a spin-off of Armstrongism, which I'd love to see you dive into.