Time Stamp Map 0:00 Introduction 1. 6:24 How did you initially find out about the WMSCOG, and what caused you to recognize the need for their teachings to be refuted? 2. 11:40 What are some of the books and other resources you used to delve into your research of this cult, and how did the difficulty of obtaining certain resources impact your studies? 3. 15:15 Overview of the origin & history of the WMSCOG, and their current teachings 4. 23:55 How does the WMSCOG's modalistic view of God allow them to elevate the position of key leaders in their organization? 5. 26:25 Does the WMSCOG believe there is a distinction between "Christ" and "Jesus"? 6. 27:23 How does the WMSCOG respond to the biblical truth that "the fullness of deity dwells bodily" in Christ (Colossians 2:9), and in all cults, how does their tendency to take verses of Scripture out of context affect their ability to spread false teaching? 7. 32:16 (Overview of the WMSCOG's current teachings *continued*) 8. 36:01 About AhnSahngHong's book, "The New Jerusalem and the Bride: Interpretation on Women's Veil" 9. 40:27 What are some of the definitive cultic characteristics of the WMSCOG, and how can having a solid Christian worldview serve as a safeguard for us against false teaching? 10. 42:12 About Steven Hassan, his books, and his B.I.T.E. Model of cult characteristics --43:19 B - Behavior Control --48:00 I - Information Control --1:05:02 T&E - Thought & Emotional Control 11. 1:00:07 and 2:00:53 If any of our listeners have WMSCOG books and would like to donate them to help equip our ministry, where can they send them? 12. 1:11:14 What role can spiritual warfare play in how the characteristics of the B.I.T.E. Model can affect cult members? 13. 1:13:05 When we engage in conversations with WMSCOG members, what are some of the key verses/arguments that get brought up, their perspective on how those verses/arguments support their theology, and some good responses we can offer to those verses/arguments? 14. 1:31:34 About the "Prophecy of the 40 Years of David" that WMSCOG members are taught 15. 1:38:53 Do you think the WMSCOG may claim that AhnSahngHong's baptism was at the age of 30 in order to strengthen the connection between him and Jesus (who was baptized at the age of 30)? 16. 1:39:33 About their observance of the feasts, and their claim that observance is necessary for salvation 17. 1:48:00 How do WMSCOG members interpret Galatians 4: 26, and how can we respond to that verse, offering them an explanation of its proper context? 18. 1:55:37 If I've come to realize that I've been a part of a cult (either formerly or presently), what should I do?
I was approached by a girl from this group in Walmart. I attempted to debate her on the scripture verses she was throwing at me (because I knew the context of the verses)...and she basically got freaked out and hurried away. Know your Bible, it makes a huge difference in these interactions
Please look into the Queen of Heaven scriptures. Many Americans are being misled by the lukewarm beliefs because of false teaching of prosperity. Jesus already knew that when he was preaching. That is why HE LEFT THE SCRIPTURES OF THE ONE TO COME. WISDOM. JERUSALEM. PLEASE PRAY FOR THE TWO WITNESSES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW ON THE EARTH. THIS IS NO JOKE. AKA SOPHIA. LOOK HER UP. AND IF CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO PROCLAIM THEY LOVE JESUS SO MUCH THEN WHY ARE THEY NOT SEEKING PROPHECIES????
Having gotten out of JWs summer 2020, it blows my mind how even this cult is similar to them. As a JW, I thought we were so unique. But all cults are the same at their core: the end is right around the corner, you have to perform works for salvation, you can be shunned if you're disciplined, cherry-picked scriptures, rely heavily on publications other than the Bible, make prophecy that fails to happen, gaslight members, etc. It finally hit me that I was not a part of something good, decent, unique, honest, and holy. It is devious, dangerous, evil, misleading, and oppressive. I am so happy to have been rescued by God and I am trying hard to clean out the Watchtower cobwebs from my mind and heart and move forward in Christ.
I have been thinking the same thing. I have gotten out of Mormonism and this cult is quite similar to it as well. It saddens me to see this cult deceiving so many people. I am glad you have found Christ. It is not common to find Ex-Mormons and Ex-JWs pursuing Christ. Most of them either become lukewarm, agnostic, or full-blown atheist because once they find out that they have been deceived, they don't know what to believe in anymore. I almost fell down that path after leaving the church, but by God's grace, he rescued me when I read his word (the Bible).
I'm an agnostic, though I love the idea of religion and have been doing more research on it. I have been attending a 'Bible Study' with someone who approached me in my college town and on the latest study he started speaking about Ahn Sahng-Hong and that doomsday is near... I just want to say thank you for making these videos! They have helped me realize that these teaching are not Christian teachings and should be rejected. As well as equipping me with knowledge to so I can dispute these teachings with grounded, theological arguments.
The truth will set us free from contagious thoughts. It’s still crazy to think that the Codex Vaticanus was written in the 4th century AD. While the Dead Sea scrolls have been a bit hectic to say the least what remains is the very essence of the words “all things will come to pass but the word will last”. It is a shame that people’s own opinions interject teachings and try confiding in niche out of context verses as the disguising foundations of adequate teachings which shows weakness and as examples of failures in faith. As an example of God in my life I recently went back to looking into the faith with an old small missionary gift of a New Testament Bible coupled with the book of Psalms. In this walk I decided to sit on a bench and just randomly open the Bible and saw Psalms chapter 139. That chapter is all about being hidden from God yet his presence is always with me. I go to the mountains yet he’s still there where can I find a place without his presence? This isn’t to be given victory points like Pharisees pridefully praying in public, it’s a silent calming moment that while it has no supernatural bearing it resonated me as I was heading out of my house from where I’d normally dedicated to read my Bible as of late. Sure people can call that a convenient page but this also falls in line with Jesus’s teachings of not showing miracles as the Pharisees would say the sky is suppose to look like that and that the stars were set in the sky with an existing purpose. It’s odd how these words don’t age. My message to you is to continue but also let those words resonate in your mind and meditate on context. Without it, we will fall like fools who thought of these outlandish ideologies or scams. Hosea 4:6 said it best “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” Peace be with you.
Very true they do. My friend showed them a Tasha Cobb song and they were concerned about the song not being about Ahn Sahng-Hong which I was taught which is the 'name' of the Holy Spirit.
@@daxbruce3491 no that's mainly a RC thing however you do know psychopaths and narsisists get to the top of all organisations and do nasty things because they have gained power. It's the same thing everywhere including the BBC in England. Trudeaus friends are known pedos. Epstien island for example. We have scandles in every county and in every country. Keep the world in perspective. These people are everywhere. Its disgusting no matter where it is but understand how they operate. Celebrities are heavily involved. Crissy tegan for example.
It is very discouraging to know that this cult is operating still and at large. They pray to a different God! I was a part of this cult for months and thankfully was able to pull myself out.
They’re literally everywhere. This is one of many. I was radically saved about an month ago and the Holy Spirit has given me new eyes to see what I couldn’t before. Continue praying to Jesus to call more of his children home.
I had a friend (sort of) that invited me to a service. I went and spent the whole time standing my ground and debating a youth leader on their doctrines. I think I won 😂
Good for you! My girlfriend is trying to get me to go into their bible study. I think Ill have some questions for them lol. idk how people fall for this stuff.
I am getting therapy now. I missed my first Tuesday and this looming fear came over me. I started therapy, blocked members. This is my first Saturday not going and I am glad. It’s a toxic environment.
Last week members of this group came to my door. Thankfully they found my children equipped with the true word of God and never came back. My children gave them a hard time. I didn't know about this cult until my children asked me about "mother god" and eternal life, the research has lead me to this channel. Thanks from Uganda.
The fact that they're unwilling to share their material, and are so secretive about it is a MAJOR red flag... If a group can't be up front about their core teachings and don't want anyone outside the group to have access to those materials, turn and run in the opposite direction.
@@Keke-dg6qk There was never a need to restore the Passover, "For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed" (1 Corinthians 5:7). So, do you mean to suggest that there is a greater lamb of God than Jesus Christ himself (and I mean the Jesus Christ of the Bible, not your antichrist Ahnsonghong)?
One of them approached my wife in a grocery store and I ended up rebuking that man in the name of Jesus. He's so decieved and even said he saw your video when I mentioned it.
They approached my daughter in law 4 months ago in a grocery store as well. I have never heard of this cult until then. Now my son and daughter in law are there every time the doors are open. Praying their eyes open soon that this is a cult and not of the Lord..
@@theodoreritola7641 like the Bereans they studied hard and were commended for that. Some credit is due in my opinion. The glory goes to the Holy spirit.
A few years ago I was working at a car dealership with a gentleman. I was new but all the other sales ppl could not stand this particular guy. I thought they were hating because he was the top seller every single month. (Im sure that played a role) but he and I bonded over Christ and I was starting to become his mentee at work. Well one day he asked me to bible study and I agreed to go. He invited me to this house in a normal looking neighborhood but the house was completely empty inside. He had said he was just moving but it was.....bone dry empty. So I already started feeling a bit weird. So I get there and hes cooking and theres only one other person there a young lady. I was told she would be the one having bible study with me and no one else is was coming. So I was like haha okay...😅😅 Long story short she starts this bible study which is really more like a demonstration that I found eerily specific. Like said in the video, the scriptures were so out of context. The flipping to certain scriptures in order to prove what she was saying was so unsettling to me for some reason. I let her go along with it until the end because well one I was alone in a house in a town I wasnt familiar with with people I didnt know. But once she was done I just nodded and said yeah wow this really interesting and then I left as quickly as possible. I will never forget thay experince though.
My dad has been a leader in this cult for years and years. It terrifies me and I pray for him constantly. If I ever get my hands on any of the books I’ll hook you up :) He lives in another country right now. I love him so much and it hurts knowing he won’t be in heaven with me if he doesn’t ever leave. If you could please keep both him and his wife who led him into it, in your prayers, thank you.
I swear this is the group that forcefully baptized a few students at my university years ago. At the time, there were girls who were going out in pairs trying to tell people about God the Mother all over our campus. It was hard finding info about them at the time, just had to use good old bible knowledge to figure out they weren’t on the right track.
They highly pressured me to baptize ASAP ; even after a few studies. If I didn’t attend the full sabbath or third day worship, they’d accuse me of being in the world and distracted from father and mother. They claim they “love you” yet if you leave the church you’ll never hear from that. Is that love ?
I’m so grateful for this broadcast. A couple of years ago I moved to Virginia and we were in search of a church and some new friends. I ran into these people at Walmart and they invited me to a “Bible study”. I was so excited. After talking to the girl for a little bit, she mentioned that they were studying the female form of God an Quoted Galatian 4:26, Genesis 1:26-27 and others. My excitement quickly faded away when I heard about “god the mother.” She contacted me the next day and we had a very intense conversation about god the mother. I left her the address to my church and asked her to visit and look me up if she ever decided to investigate her church and needed someone to talk to.
To anyone in Arizona, beware if your friends and family go to Glendale Community College, they were constantly running around on campus approaching anyone they could
Yup... encountered 2 women at a downtown campus of my city many years ago. Being pretty solid, I instantly rebuffed them. They were tenacious. I stood my ground and ended the interaction.
I ran into them about 10 years ago at ASU. They asked me the question about the mother of God and I replied, oh you mean Mary who gave birth to Jesus and his brothers and sisters and then died right.? I never knew that I was approached by a cult until now. So be aware if you are around ASU.
My wife was approached by them about 10 years ago in Wilmington, NC. She said she would sit down with them if everyone agreed to only use the Bible as the source. They agreed, and then immediately pulled out another book and said that you have to use the new book as well. She said no thanks and left since they had agreed to only use the Bible.
God is amazing because I've been in contact and bible studies with a lady from this church. The things she teaches was new to me: keeping the Sabbath, observing the passover and mother god. I realised the Sabbath and the passover is good to keep but I felt pressure to keep them because she said it's the only way to get blessing and be saved. I cut her off for a few weeks because she stated telling me about the second coming and that didn't sit right with me. So I spent some time with God on my own through prayer and in the bible. I had questions about observing these and the importance if it. I came across verses that said we are saved by grace and faith believing in Jesus we are saved. Peter through the wisdom of God said the gentiles shouldn't carry the yoke his ancestors weren't able to carry but through faith we are saved. Then I come across this video today. Its only by His grace. I am completely cutting ties with this woman because all I need is God and building my relationship with Him and listening to His word! Thank you for this video. God bless you
Three ladies approached me and told me the exact same thing! I told them that we're saved by Grace and there's nothing we can DO to be saved. I'm glad you searched for these answers in the Bible. We have to be vigilant.
that's why the message of Apostle Paul to the Colossians is the sufficiency of Christ...any beliefs and ordinances added is just separating us from faith... Heb.7:25 He(Jesus)is able also to save them to the "UTTERMOST" that come unto God by Him. UTTERMOST=maximum, most, paramount,supreme,ultimate(Merriam-Webster)🙂
I encountered this group just yesterday, they use scripture out of context. Thank you for making this video to inform other people about this cult as much as possible. I came across to your channel finding way how i can answer their analogies. God bless you more.
Shocking huh? government is just as bad of a cult as anything else. Mommy Religion or Daddy government both require control of perception and personnel.
As someone desperate to find anything that brought me closer to God, I feel sad that this is what my commitment led to but glad I found out sooner than later (a couple of hrs after baptism to be exact and being exposed to the church study ways for a couple of days😂) I've been a believer in Christianity since I was baptised as a baby but later fully experienced God's love at the age of 16. I turned to Christ and tried to live the life set out for me, obviously failing as known 😅. At my current age of 21, I thought it would be best to commit my life more to God, thus open to anything "Christian" like sounding. I willingly went to their study sessions for five days for roughly an hr (a one on one with the pastor accompanied with the person who brought me to their church) and got baptised after I covered ten subjects. Being flooded with information and scriptures being picked out to back up their claims, it felt like the scripture was being used out of context but I didn't have the urge to test that as the pastor was speaking with such confidence. I had the feeling of, "wow I'm learning new things" things I did know (not everything taught) but because it was taught differently, I doubted what I learnt and fully committed to what I heard from the pastor. It was always followed by, "do you have any questions?" I never truly understood the saying, "I don't know what I don't know" until asked this question during studying of Subjects and topics. They convinced me that to get into heaven; you had to be baptised as soon as possible, for tomorrow was unknown. As much as they backed this up with scripture, it didn't occur to me to stop and think about what I was getting myself baptised into. Thinking I was doing this all for the Glory of God and how this would further strengthen my bond with him, I was merely fooling myself. An hr after I was baptised, I had the urge to search this church up. A feeling to test its claims to be valid as it's teaching goes, the church of God is the only church that God will save because all the other churches didn't follow one of many, e.g. "Passover" teachings and how if they didn't do this, they would be essentially denied eternal life even though they believed in Jesus Christ. Etc etc. I'm glad that God showed me this. May anyone desperate to be part of a community that teaches the bible commit themselves to the Bible first, as stated in this video, in Jesus mighty name. Amen. I was taken by how accurate Mike would speak on the church of God members. Now, realising what I did not know and now know was the game changer for me, so thank you.
Hi Christine, I will pray for you right now that you do find a good church that God is working in and can use you in. Mike did one short video a while back on how to know if a church is good/Biblical title (how to choose a good church). I would check that out. And just searching for verses that talk about what good leaders are like and their qualifications and verses on the Church's role in the world. Maybe you have already found a sound church truly following Jesus which is great. If not, please don't give up. You need to be gathering with other believers. Hope my comment wasn't presumptuous. I just wanted to provide a little guidance and encouragement. I'm glad you didn't get caught up in that church you talked about.
Omg the EXACT same this happened to me!!! I was only apart of them for a few months doing studies, was baptized, went to ONE service and instantly knew this was a mistake. Granted I always had this voice in the back of my head telling me that this wasn’t right, especially when it came to mother God and the sending coming, but I had been doing studies for months before even learning this and was already in the belief that well I guess it’s true. Of course that little voice was the Holy Spirit, but I can’t even express how uncomfortable that service was, it was horrible. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough haha, thank God he was with us and opened our eyes before we got too deep.
Thank you so much Mike I literally was ambushed at the store by one of their members. It didn't take me long to precieve that this lady I was talking to was in a cult, I know my Bible so I was able to see it right away. I can see how a nominal believer or everyday person could be led atray by their muddled theology as you stated. Praying for this lady that I met will come to see the truth of Jesus ❤🙏
Thanks for sharing this video Pastor Mike! I’m from Alberta, Canada and had an encounter with this group for the first time a few years ago at my University. I knew something was off, but never could find much about it online. Thanks so much for bringing this to the wide wide web!
A few hours ago, my mom's older sister came and "evangelized" to my mom for the nth time. It seems that the group is in a hurry to evangelize because Passover is just two weeks away. I was just there in the background (cooking in the kitchen), listening and wondering if I needed to jump into the conversation to plant seeds of doubt into my aunt's mind. The conversation was starting to get heated so I decided to sit it out. My aunt didn't attempt to evangelize to me and my dad maybe because she knows we can deal with her evangelizing. She did talk to my grandma, though, inviting her to the annual Passover meal a few weeks from now. I was a bit rattled as I was listening even though I knew what my aunt was saying was refutable, perhaps because she spoke so confidently and authoritatively. Thanks to you guys in this video, I got reminded once again how to deal with a situation like that. I think you guys missed something important in this video. I think you should've also talked about what exactly they believe mankind need saving from. I may be wrong in my understanding, but I remember my aunt and his son telling me once a few years ago that our salvation was from the coming destruction of the world with fire. The only refuge is with their mother. I don't think they believe that we need salvation from sin ultimately.
ILJCN (Colossians 3:17), This is how you can tell Truth from error: James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures: 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. --------------------------- God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind. Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached. Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones. 🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
Funny story: I heard about this mother God cult 5 years ago at my house. They came knocking and started talking to my bro about God. Then by the of the Holy Spirit, I can hear clearly what the person was saying to my bro on the second story on the opposite side of where they were. It was crazy, but I heard every word. It went against the gospel spoken by Paul and lived by Jesus. Any way, I came down and I started to talk with him. I listened, and as he presented the Bible, it was talking about mother God. Such nutty aspect. After getting into the Bible, he did not want to talk. Then he brought another person who was "the teacher." Then we spoke. Then the teacher started to get upset and left. Never say him or the group again. Thank God for Him stepping in for who knows what would havenhaooened with my brother.
Good for you. GOD can use those Scriptures to convict and take those in bondage into freedom! Got a phone call from mormons once in the 90's. Wondering what I was doing? Was convicting some. They were losing team members. A doctor friend had called the mormons as a joke regarding me to win me to their side. So was having frequent visits. If GOD convicted me to do it, and HE did, I would look for the weaker missionary and ask GOD for Scripture to demonstrate TRUTH. TRUTH is so much more a reflection of GOD's LOVE than cult lies. GOD used HOLY BIBLE TRUTH to change lives caught in darkness. Of this I have no doubt! lucifer is busy these days deceiving those who do not take the time to learn about GOD in the HOLY BIBLE for themselves.
had to come to this video after this lady came up to me on my campus trying to convince me to attend their bible studies 😭😭 i knew something about them was fishy
Thank you for putting this content out here. My mother has been with this cult for years and our relationship has been severed because if them. She had called me the other day and got into a conversation about holidays. This time, I've completely drew the line once in for all when she told me that Jewish people deserved what happened to them and that what Hitler did was right. I'm not 100% sure what in the world they're teaching her, but when she said that, I want nothing to do with her anymore. I just don't have time for that kind of nonsense.
I’m so sorry about what happened to your mother, that sounds terrible! I had a few people approach me at the mall talking to me about this cult. Good thing I found this content! Hopefully your mother can be saved.
@Sarah Alderman I gave up because I have too much on my plate including my kids. They come first, especially when she tells me that one of my children is Satan's work, I completely shut myself off from her emotionally. My mother, has a history of mental things going on (reason why she's in this cult in 1st place) that I've been cut and burned one too many times it gets to the point where our relationship just died. She's on her own. She does great at pushing people away.
@@JohnSmithAwesomeSauce55 Thank you. I don't know what will happen but hopefully she can find her own peace when it's time for her to go. She has a very long history of issues one pushing away people who tell her the truth about her mental issues. The one things that is positive about all this that um learning so much about what trauma can do to you and how to heal and move forward rather than stay stuck in victim mode. She's a perfect example of what NOT to do.
WHAT????????? I used to be into holocaust denial but after coming to Christ and entering the truth, it became so obvious that the things I thought I knew were so obviously false. Only the work of a demon could blind someone so heavily... Praying for your mother
To know the truth ,found channel of Jehovah the only organisation preaching the good news, abut the Kingdom,, All other fools abut the Kingdom,, Jesus his the head off the Kingdom , and the onotied his Brother, they going to be in haven,, to roll for a 1000 year,, That's the truth, and That's wate going to happen,, All other teaching is lieyer of Satin,, Remember Jesus is come from Jehovah God Almighty,, you dont billive Jesus hiw can you believe Jehovah,,
At the time of the video, you said you had 138K subscribers and now you're over 740K. And you're still a humble, caring soul with a HUGE reach and audience. ❤🙏🏻
They have approached me on my campus 3 times, one time I even recognized them from trying to recruit me downtown from months before. Due to me not being extremely religious, I was just listening to their logic because of how harmless it seemed, but my girlfriend -- pure, honest christian -- kept yelling at me to get away. She is Korean from South Korea, so she warned me saying how common this stuff is and how crazy they are. After seeing this content it is surreal to me how so many people get tricked because initally all they talk about is Jesus Christ and the bible, so you never question them. I wonder when it becomes too late for people to the point they feel like they have to stay?
Can you do a video about Shincheonji Church of Jesus ? It’s also a cult originated in Korea. They are getting people to join their mystery “Bible study class”. A lot of people have been deceived. 😭😭😭
😭 ILJCN (Colossians 3:17), This is how you can tell Truth from error: James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures: 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. --------------------------- God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind. Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached. Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones? 🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
YOUR FIRST VIDEO was great! and yes more people need to speak about this group... I was approached by two of their members at a University Campus in PE South Africa and i had never heard of them, it was shocking because i genuinely didn't know someone could misread and twist scripture LIKE THAT. So the scary thing is they started in Korea now are in Africa. I pray God guards all believers and that we get to know God so we can see the lies when they come this way.
Can I have your email? I was recently kicked out of this cult fro bringing up Ahnsahnghong’s baptism form. I want to send you all my books and notes that I’ve taken since being in this cult for two years
I live in Salt Lake City… so you can imagine what missionaries I talk to on a regular basis. The other day at Walmart I get stopped by one of the WMSCG missionaries, I was completely caught off guard about what I was hearing and what he was saying. When I started talking back, he got confused and asked why I moved to SLC. I told him it was to start a non-LDS (baptist to be specific) church at the University Of Utah. Once he realized that I know, have studied, and believe the Bible… he stopped talking to me. The whole interaction sticks out to me and I have been doing research in what they believe so any future conversation I have with them I am prepared and ready to talk (lovingly of course) Thank you Pastor Winger, even if this is a year later, you are helping me share the truth and talk to those God has delivered on my doorstep and understand what they believe
That cult is rampant on Twitter - they post Bible verses, but then when you go to their websites listed on their twitter bios, it's all about the 'mother god'. It can be really difficult to talk to cult members about their wrong beliefs, so I am grateful for videos like this.
Lon Spector I am curious why? Sometimes God does save people out of cults . I agree to a point, sometimes their mind is made up- but we are called to evangelize as well. Do you think it’s better just to pray for them instead?
@@elliotu9268 I've blocked them every time they spam DM'ed me, so I don't have a link. Google Church of the Almighty God/Eastern Lightning and you'll find them.
Just after my mother died, I was approached by a young woman asking me to join her bible study. She highlighted how important it was to celebrate the old testament feasts. I shared some of what I believed with her as well. I took her card and told her I would pray for her. When I got home I looked it up and found that they believed in God the mother. I never saw her again.
I got approached by a member of that group in the mall once I had never heard of them before that. The person that approached me almost acted as if they were under some kind of spell I knew right away it was a cult, I prayed for that person later on, wish I had in that moment, proclaimed the truth of Jesus Christ to them.
Same thing happened to me. I tried to explain they were misinterpreting scripture but i didn't have enough understanding of breaking it down in context. I still don't know if i could answer appropiately today
@@justkenzie we did go through a few passages of the Bible together, sharing what we each believed! But after a few weeks they both ghosted me 🤷 I shared what I could at the time, and I still pray for them when they cross my mind. I don't know what God's doing in their lives anymore or if I played much of a role. But the overall experience was great for me 😅 it came after a time where I'd been struggling with my faith, and it helped me see that I was confident in God and the Bible again
Mike, your videos are so accurate. I attended this cult for two years, never went to any other church before it. Once I stopped learning new things in the church, I got bored and frustrated, and I thought it was just me. They do teach the same verses and chapters over and over. I am a lesbian, which is one of the main reasons I had issues with this church. Thank you guys for these videos. God bless.
😭 ILJCN (Colossians 3:17), This is how you can tell Truth from error: James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures: 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. --------------------------- God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind. Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached. Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones? 🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
These people approached me at Trader Joe's today. Was total Heresy! 2nd time they approached me. First time was in JCPENNEY and two women walked up to me asking if she could show me that God was a woman in the Bible. I said absolutely not! They walked away. Today at Trader Joe's, they stopped me and invited me to Bible study. I told them I study my Bible every day and just finished a One year chronological and starting a new study and didn't have time to add anything else. They persisted and invited me to celebrate Passover with them so I asked more questions because I thought maybe they were some kind of messianic church. Then they stated the Sabbath nonsense and told me Christians worship sun god on Sundays. Sounded like zeitgeist CZcams video teachings from 2011. They tried to show me scriptures and everytime I quoted a scriptures that refuted what they were saying. Then they said something about god the mother and I asked her to repeat what she said because that phrase triggered my memory to the JCPenney experience. I told them no, the only worship of a mother was a queen of heaven and that was forbidden by God, so I wouldn't be interested in their Bible study. They persisted and I share Revelation 22:18-19 and they suddenly had to go say you have to come to a Bible study to understand. I said no thanks because God said let him who lacks wisdom ask of God, so I don't need them to teach me to understand the Word of God and neither do they. They didn't seem to like that.
Thank you so much for this Mike! I had a lengthy interaction with this group at my former college in 2014. I had recently read through genesis and I got to School and I felt the Lord telling me to read revelation. So I sat in the quad and the moment I finish the book a guy comes up to me asking if I'm a Christian and then goes into the quick mother god script. We have a short conversation but the more I ask questions, and say things like "I thought 'made in Our image' was referring to the Trinity" he decides that he'd like to set up another time for us to talk so he can bring his leader to answer more of my questions. I happily oblige and think if he can bring his mentor, I can bring mine. So I invite my pastor to come along, but unfortunately he's busy and he says it seems like I'm handing it well. So I went to the meeting alone and was completely filled with the Holy Spirit. He was allowing me to quote scripture that I didn't even know I remembered. At the end I said I would think and pray about there interpretations if they would about mine. They agreed, and I sincerely hope they did. Either way, if they weren't able to take anything away from that conversation I know the Lord has certainly used it to bless me.
I am a Christian and I met some of these guys when they were recruiting on my college campus. I went to a couple of services and studied with one of the members. I never committed to them, I just never fully believed. I stayed longer than I should have partly because one of the men I became close to, I know he’s a good guy but I just think he’s caught. Another guy that was apart of the group also studied with me and I was very leery of him from the beginning, just something in my gut that said something wasn’t right about him. I was invited to the big church right before spring break and little to my surprise that was my baptism, but I did not go through it, I never believed them even though I believe some principles that they teach. Fast forward two years later, I came across the guy that initially recruited me, just wanting to check up on him and his family since 2020 was such a trying year. He was doing well but all of a sudden I get a call from the other guy, a number I didn’t recognize but it was an area code of my college. I picked up and we’ve been studying for the past two weeks. Thank God I came across these videos, I still did not fully believed, I know I just need to fully cut them off. One thing about them was that the younger women were always very weird to me, not friendly at all, sort of like they were forced not to talk to any other men. The only friendly woman was of one of the wives of a leader. That fact never sat right with me.
ILJCN (Colossians 3:17), This is how you can tell Truth from error: James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures: 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. --------------------------- God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind. Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached. Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones? 🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
It’s hard when you look for a good church and this cult takes you to “Bible study” and has you go into the Bible and read scriptures.and now through mike know that all their teaching were just bits of scriptures pieced together that we’re OUT OF CONTEXT…teach false teachings….I did honestly like HOW they teach about the Bible but wrong is wrong. ughh this sucks.thanks mike for all the information!… well now on to looking for a new church again.
Basically you’re saying that a CZcams video is more reliable than a BIBLE (BIBLE) study? How ? How can you not think that sucks ? God is not on CZcams, is on the Bible. ❤
@@luiscarloscastanedadelaros6045 Dude, the bible cannot self-interpret, agree? _Somebody_ has to interpret it. This is where the problem starts. For 2,000 years Christians agree that the bible says that there is only one God (who is 3 Persons). Even the Jewish people believe in one God. Then wmscog (the new kid on the block) comes and says no, no, no...there is a god and a god-dess! See what I mean? So *_who_* you listen to determines where you finally end up with - for better or for worse. I think you have chosen the wrong 'person' to listen to. Prayers for you.
I was approached yesterday and I was crying to God asking Him f my faith could be that easily shaken. I fasted and trusted the Holy Spirit for the conversation of today (8 June 2023). They are so well trained in only using specific verses to make their point. And their "trinity" conversation is so flawd. I'm grateful to God that I could come across this video. I decided to record this 'teaching' sessions and the person was mad, apparently next time they will take the phones to 'protect the truth'. I informed him, Jesus is the truth and doesn't need a mortal to defend or protect Him. Not sure he'll return 😅
Well they aren’t that convincing ..tryna tell a black person they God from the 80s and probably listened to the Beatles in Korean subtitles while my people dying for rights kinda deafens
THANK YOU GUYS for tackling this cult and getting the word out - and for your fair, factual treatment of it. I was approached by 2 women in the grocery store late one evening and they cherry-picked 3-4 verses from the Bible and tried to build a case for a “hither-to hidden” new revelation in the Bible... but of course they didn’t lead with that. Their argument was obviously very much relying on my lack of familiarity with the Bible, especially prophecies in Revelation relating to Jerusalem and even the woman birthing the child (Israel and Christ)! Their opening statement to me was “have you ever heard anything about the female god of the Bible? I knew this was going to be some weird cult stuff, but no I had never heard that before so I engaged with them. They proceeded to present their 3-4 verses, out of context, with strange new interpretations that didn’t really connect clearly with one another (they begged for elaboration and additional study. Like a hook and bait). When I replied politely that I thought they were taking those verses out of context, and that actually this that and the other, that’s when they whipped out the line about “ah, yes, you would say that, but see we have a new revelation that has been hidden in the scriptures until now for the faithful. So now wouldn’t you be interested if God had something new to say to you?” Hmm... I believe scripture repeatedly warns us about false prophets, and those who would add to or alter God’s revealed Word! And is quite complete in itself in its current form. I told them no, I reject that idea based upon Scripture itself, and I wasn’t interested in hearing any more about a supposed new revelation that contradicted God’s Word. Christian brothers and sisters, know the REAL truth so that you can identify false teaching when you hear or see it! Pray that the Holy Spirit would give you discernment. Study the Word and truth, and pursue closeness with others who also value and hold fast to it. God bless you, gentlemen (creators of this video)!
They tried to grab me the same way and then we got tied up on the difference in Christianity of being under grace vs under the law. They kept trying to get in my personal space and that was the tipping point for me to end the conversation, which I regret because once I had about 5 minutes to calm down and talk to my parents I was able to find the verses that I wish I could have shared with them about the Good News of Jesus. They seemed genuinely taken back by the idea that we were no longer slaves to the law.
When I worked in Philadelphia, I went out for a lunch "Bible study" with an old coworker. It turned into him explaining that his church is the only true church being led by Jesus now, the Sabbath is on Saturday, all holidays are pagan, something about Passover and communion being necessary to be saved. He pulled verses out of context but never mentioned the "Mother God." Even though I was strong in my biblical beliefs, it still spooked me. I said I couldn't continue studies with him. I didn't realize until he gave me a flyer for his church's fundraiser that he was part of this cult. Looking back, I regret being fearful and dismissive and not showing him the true Gospel. I haven't seen him in years, and I hope he's gotten out of this thing.
Yeah, I believe all those things except the part of Passover being necessary to be saved, although it says in text that it should be observed forever, and I am not associated with this church or any church please do not connect these religious beliefs with only this church, thank you.
They’re in Alaska! My son was working out at his gym when a classmate of his from high school started conversation about Christ. He invited my son to his “church” on a Saturday. My son was really suspicious but went. When he came home he was traumatized. I’d never heard of them! My son came to Christ on his own and after sitting down I explained how cults like this exist and because they told him some really awful things does not mean it’s true. After understanding he talked to our preacher and was baptized a week later. We are a Christian family that does not preach or pressure. Simply spirituality through Christ is what we thrive for and we do not judge others. If I’d have known what this cult was I would have educated him and saved him a lot of confusion and trauma. Parents be weary
Mike Winger, peddling Jesus and can't stop because he would have to get a different profession. I'll sponsor you whenever you are ready to deconvert from this Ceasarian religion. Most apologists have no way out of their financial trap.
Back in 2013 two guys in suits came up to me in a Barnes n noble and asked me if I had heard of mother God. I said no God is our Father, and they grabbed a Bible off the shelf and went to Galatians 4:26 which says Jerusalem is above which is the mother of us all (something like that). That’s the only verse they pointed out. They told me Christ had come back secretly and He was a woman who they could tell me how to meet if I wanted to join them.. apparently she was on Rutgers campus in New Brunswick NJ 😏 I pointed them to the script where it says Jesus will be coming on the clouds and His coming will be like the lightning which flashes in the east and is visible in the west so will the coming of the Son of man be.. They said it’s basically a metaphor. I don’t remember everything they or I said but it was enough that they got frustrated and left. They went down the escalator (we were on the top floor) and stared at me the whole time as they descended... super creepy. But I have never met anyone who had heard of this and I’ve never heard about it since!!!
I was eating in New Brunswick years ago and met two dudes from the cult tryna evangelize me! Interesting..guess they were active around Rutgers for a while. That was my first time hearing of this cult.
I encountered them at community college five years ago. They also said that the "let us make man in our image" was an implication of male and female, and not, you know, the Trinity.
The parrable of the "cloud" means flesh meaning when jesus said hed come by the cloud hed return in the flesh and the lighting usually means "gods words" or when god speaks, and basically that means jesus will return in the flesh and preach the gospel to the whole world "east to the west"
My Relationship with god was ruined by this group. I Have never felt the trust I would need to let myself believe again. The confusion I was left with at a young age has continued and lingers with me in my everyday life, my trust in people was damaged and I still find myself fighting my curiosity to go back to any religious beliefs.
We are in Greeley Colorado and My husband has had numerous discussions with people in this cult in Walmart, Safeway, etc.. at one point there were 6 arguing and then there was none. I always tell them I am praying for them.
This is really good stuff. I was approached by these people a couple of times a few years ago; one time I tried to counter how they used Scripture, the other time I just couldn't. The minute they said something about "Mother God" I knew it was going to be an absolute charlie foxtrot. I really loved the point about how more important than knowing exactly what the heretics believe is knowing what you believe and why you believe it.
This cult came to my door once. When they spoke about a mother god I assumed they were speaking of Ashera. They were not....they soon walked away pretty quickly when I tried to ask more about who they were talking about.
I just had a Bible study with one of the members yesterday. An hour long with so much Bible twisting. He walked away after an hour and said let's agree to disagree. He pulled out some of the big guns when I asked him to summarize the main issues for me, how do I get saved? He said get baptized in his church. I said I'm always baptized. He said most churches are pagan because they meet on Sundays. I said they don't have too, I've been to church meetings on Fridays Wednesdays and Saturdays. Early churches met everyday. In the end he brought to the conversation between Jesus and the rich man he's told to do the law to gain eternal life. And he closes the Bible. I said why don't we finish reading that story Jesus tells him to go sell everything and follow him, have you sold everything? He said what and walk around naked? Well how about your house, car, that briefcase you're carrying? In any case he walked away. Apparently, the law only applies to other people.
I appreciate this video about this cult!! I live in Texas and I didn’t know about this cult until they came to my apartment trying to “ evangelize “ me with their bad theology. Thank God I just knew their presentation of God as a woman was wrong but didn’t know how to argue against it . So this is a great ressource. Thanks you guys !!
I ran into three gentlemen proclaiming the mother god... I had a fascinating conversation with them. It is true, they pull random verses together to show that there is a mother god. I stopped them and went back to their verses and made them read in context. Simply put they could not explain around context. Then I asked the most important question, what is to benefit from having a mother god. They responded, "just so much, so wonderful." Like what? "Oh she is just beautiful and peaceful." Again, what's the benefit? I read them the words of Jesus from John 3 and then the Baptism in Trinity, where is your mother god and how can she provide anything more than what God, Jesus and Spirit have already done and provided? They could not give an answer and unfortunately we parted on good terms but I never ran into them again.
I've had a couple of encounters with members of the WMSCOG. In one of them the guy told me straight up that context doesn't matter in Biblical interpretation. This video is so interesting to me though because I'm starting to realize that the church I'm with has so many of these cultish characteristics.
@@tennisrockstar1 I was a member of the Local Churches associated with Witness Lee and Living Stream Ministry. Since I made that original comment I've left that group. I consider them a cult of personality.
@@tennisrockstar1 they're surprisingly obscure, especially for how big they are. I admit, I've become somewhat disillusioned to organized Christianity. I've been looking at the Baptist denomination. I don't know.
@@danlin8662 I understand, I came out of a major church last year, although mainly for doctrinal reasons. I think finding a smaller local church would be a good start, and remembering that no church is perfect, cause we arent. The church I am part of now is small and I believe has baptist roots although its not a major church like the one I was in before.
Ahhhhhh, yes! I was kind of sort of kidnapped by this group when I was living in South Korea 😂 It went from two middle aged ladies love bombing me and trying to help me go to Home Plus to get some cleaning supplies to me being whisked away on the other side of the city to their big church. They had me in a meeting room watching a video about how I should join the church and being asked to get baptized right then and there. It was quite the experience. I had just moved to South Korea, so I had no idea about this cult at all.
I was approached by members of a cult (not sure if this one) outside of LotteMart in Jamsil. They are very aggressive and kept asking me if I lived alone in Korea, where I lived, and if I would come with them for a “traditional Korean ceremony” I did NOT go with them!
Here in 2023 to say this group visited our apartment. It was pretty yuck. All verses were cherry picked - and then we asked them to leave after they asked if we knew that the Bible mentions God as a mother. It freaked me out that they were going door to door. I ended up looking them up and a church is 35 min away. Crazy.
I asked one of them "what is the Holy Spirit?". All he had to say is "it depends on the context". I repeated the question and he just couldn't answer, he had intimidated me the other time because he caught me off guard but this time I was prepared. I quickly told them about who the Holy spirit is to me and that it is the Spirit of God that guides us and fills us as Christians etc... But it's like speaking to a wall because everything is all about Context but they don't have and larger view understanding of what they are reading. They break the Bible into millions of segments and interpret them individually which makes it lose all context.
My husband and teenage daughter were just approached at the mall by two young men who invited them to their "Bible study" -- to learn about Mother God. Thankfully as soon as they heard "Mother God," they said they weren't interested (my daughter with a huge sigh and shaking her head, lol), but when they told me about it, my jaw hit the floor. I didn't think we'd ever encounter this cult! So grateful for this teaching, for us and for anyone who might encounter it just randomly walking through the mall. I wish I'd been there so I could have pulled these videos up for them!
I had one of the "Mother God" people knock on my door and tell me about their cult. I'm a Christian and was totally caught on my heels. The next day, i went online and searched for information and came across your channel talking about this. I have been following you since then and have learned a lot! Thanks for everything!
These guys just knocked on my door lol. I told them I have a friend who goes to your church in Vegas. They wanted to talk to me about the pass over. I said no thank you. It got me watching this video now. I need to study my Bible more. I should have just showed them this video.
They wouldn't have watched it. Next time I get approached (been approached 3 times) I'm going to ask if they know who Mike Winger is.. lol I bet they do.
thank you Pastor Im Pastor Bill Hemingway in northern california, Concord and when we were out in the community evangelizing and ran into two young men who were from world mission and just as you said, trying to convince me about God the mother, after this the Holy Spirit quickened me to get into prayer and research more in how to respond and letting our members know the truth. I will look and watch your videos. Thank you Any more resources and material I need to be better equipped, God bless all that you do Pastor Bill Hemingway
Oh this group!! It's crazzyy. I hardly hear anyone cover anything on them! Thanks so much for doing this! They used to come door to door to try to get more members.
@Lon Spector they came once or twice as well 😯 But I didn't really know much then as I was struggling to learn the truth myself. Praise God I am not in any cult!
Christ is the Passover Lamb, we observe Passover constantly because of our faith in Christ. Everyday is Passover for followers of Jesus because his blood was shed to save us all through faith in him.
I recently had two girls come to my door proclaiming a mother god and to my absolute surprise, I was going to hell because I didn't accept mother god for salvation. We sat down, talked back and forth with scripture but they were like dear in headlights verse after verse. After awhile, they said they had to go and would come back within a week. I haven't seen them since. I pray for them and really hope they've left that cult or do come back. I'd love to show them more scripture. Great video brothers.
Very interesting point about the group's lack of an online presence. I had an encounter with two members on my university campus a few years ago. I asked if they had some website or a pamphlet so I could look at it on my own. They stonewalled very strongly and would not give me anything.
Wdym? There’s a lot of online content, go check it out 😃 there’s a lot more detailed explanations about God the Mother , sabbath, and many other topics that you prolly want to understand better.
I have several family members in this WMSCOG. I sent your shorter video to them earlier today and they are really in this to the point of completely ignoring anything rational. I am getting bombarded with responses from them and It just blows me away that like you said you have heard from those who have left….they have no foundation but they make it sound convincing😢
My husband is currently involved in this church and I've pointed out things said in this video and they had answers "truths". Answers I can only get through bible studies and if I want more answers I absolutely need a Bible study to go with it. It's heartbreaking and so hard!
It’ll be so terrific if they had answers through CZcams VIDEOS, or magazines. Amiga, they’re wanting to prove what their beliefs are WITH THE BIBLE, What else should we trust in? Google? A pastor? A Nun? We should just trust the Bible, that’s what God has left for us to find the truth. No?
Hello, I was a a current member of the church but through God almighty and my good friend, I was shown the falseness of this doctrine and church and these videos helped. But to answer the question of the guy with hat on, yes they did say he was baptized in 1948 at the age of thirty aligned with Jesus Christ and his preaching at the age of thirty. They used this a further evidence that he is the second coming Christ. And they are very convincing in all of this too I might add. My fellow brothers and sisters please be careful if you are approached by them, they are very persuasive and if you’re not careful you’ll buy into like I did. God bless you all!❤️
Had met some of these individuals at my own community college. I didn't realize how big this was getting at the time as this was back in 2013. They couldn't come up with enough of a logical theological basis to really sway me. They were pretty good at arguing points, but I was really well studied in the bible and what didnt sound biblical. I politely talked with them, but I left saying I did not see how they got that and walked away. That was the only time I ever saw anyone in that school talk about that.
About three years ago at Walmart, my wife was approached by a woman who invited her to a Bible study and began talking about "Mother God". At the time, I had never heard of WMSCOG, but now, today, it finally clicked. I bet the woman who was trying to convert my wife belonged to this cult.
I live in Los Angeles county and two women from this cult came to my door on Saturday with their “Mother God” statement ready to show me passages to prove their point. Before they could get beyond Genesis 1:26,27 and a quick mention of the “bride” of God, the “trainer” of the two cut the encounter short and walked away. I mentioned this encounter at our Sunday morning Bible study and a young man, new to our church, shared his encounter in NY with this group. I hadn’t asked what group these women were with, so was happy that this man shared it with us. He also shared with me that I could find more on the cult on your CZcams, Mike. I have watched some of your videos before and was familiar with your channel. Thank you for what you do. God bless you.
Thanks a bunch for sharing this information! I had an interaction with these people when I was in undergrad about 11 years ago. The lady came to me, on campus, asking whether I was willing to take a survey about what I think about spiritual things. Then they started engaging me in a conversation about mother God & other things. Then they pulled the book of Galatians on me & quoted the heavenly Jerusalem passage. At the time, I wasn't too verses in systematically examining passages and explaining verses based on their context. But I did know that they were absolutely wrong. Therefore, I used what I knew, Ray Comfort's Way of the Master system. After putting the attempted preacher through that, then I asked her whether she thinks she'll be going to heaven or hell. Then she responded angrily, "according what you're implying, I guess hell..." Then the Korean lady with her, who was less versed in English, then pulled her away.". Afterwards, I then looked them up online, and found some blogs that explained some of their heresies. Also, a bunch of places where people were arguing with their member back & forth. Then, I forgot about then until today! ☹️
😭 ILJCN (Colossians 3:17), This is how you can tell Truth from error: James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures: 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. --------------------------- God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind. Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached. Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones? 🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
In 2013, first year of University, I was sitting on the lawn waiting for class when two girls approached talking about 'God the mother'. They quoted Genesis 1:26 to support their argument saying that when God said 'Let us...', the scripture refers to God the father and God the mother. Now, having been raised Christian, that was not my understanding of the scripture, but just to be sure, I immediately called my mother to confirm because I still haven't read the entire Bible. It was the first of many encounters with them and at some point, I even shared an apartment with one of the believers.
About 1948 is not only about the age 30, but they emphasize that’s the year Israel was “reestablished” and a large study in the Fig Tree. Also I have some random content I’ll be sending you that’ll give move inside information :) I can’t thank you enough for all of your videos information and words of encouragement, much needed for me as I’m still extremely uneasy and working on my relationship with Jesus who I know pulled me away from this false group.
2017, I was a foundation student in a well known university in Malaysia, there's a group of women lurking around the university and target beautiful young women to join their "church". I don't remember all the details but their quite similar to the cult mention in this video, but I remember the leaders in Christian Fellowship in my university called them "Korean Cult" and warned everyone in the uni and notified the Student representative counsel (SRC) of this situation. The SRC effectively warned the students and those group ladies are no longer frequent to the uni. The very next move my leaders take is to plan a mini convention in the uni about Christianity for the following semester. Unfortunately, I was unable to continue study at that uni because of poor performance in my study hence I don't know if they successfully held the mini convention. I noticed these cultist usually aim at the area with less Muslim population but that's from my observation and hearing words from mouth from my friends. Praise the Lord, I graduated from my diploma at another uni.
I used to be apart of the cult thank the Lord I got out. I asked for forgiveness and I believe God has forgiven me. I feel as if I need to do something more because I feel like I betrayed God. That feeling hurts. What else can I do to make things right?
Satan always tries to steal our joy in Christ. God has saved you! Rejoice! Now go love God with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself.
@@hemu333 If baptism at WMSCOG was your first baptism. Then for peace of mind and conscience I think it will be helpful to you as an act of personal consecration. Let the LORD lead you with that decision. I am certain He lead you out of there as an act of love and that you are secure in Christ. May the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you forever. Blessings!!
@@tunzj01 Thanks a lot for reply. I am so happy that I heard I am secured in CHRIST right after my fasting prayer completion. This is second baptism. But when wmscog korean pastor mentioned Ahnsanghang name while giving baptism, I told JESUS name only. I didn't takeout his name.
I was.jusy approached the 1st time in the Merritt Island Mall in Merrite Island Florida....I didn't believe anything they were saying and kept asking questions they wouldn't answer but just kept going back to what they allready were saying....Im glad I looked into it and found your video so I know how to talk more with them if they approach me again
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0:00 Introduction
1. 6:24 How did you initially find out about the WMSCOG, and what caused you to recognize the need for their teachings to be refuted?
2. 11:40 What are some of the books and other resources you used to delve into your research of this cult, and how did the difficulty of obtaining certain resources impact your studies?
3. 15:15 Overview of the origin & history of the WMSCOG, and their current teachings
4. 23:55 How does the WMSCOG's modalistic view of God allow them to elevate the position of key leaders in their organization?
5. 26:25 Does the WMSCOG believe there is a distinction between "Christ" and "Jesus"?
6. 27:23 How does the WMSCOG respond to the biblical truth that "the fullness of deity dwells bodily" in Christ (Colossians 2:9), and in all cults, how does their tendency to take verses of Scripture out of context affect their ability to spread false teaching?
7. 32:16 (Overview of the WMSCOG's current teachings *continued*)
8. 36:01 About AhnSahngHong's book, "The New Jerusalem and the Bride: Interpretation on Women's Veil"
9. 40:27 What are some of the definitive cultic characteristics of the WMSCOG, and how can having a solid Christian worldview serve as a safeguard for us against false teaching?
10. 42:12 About Steven Hassan, his books, and his B.I.T.E. Model of cult characteristics
--43:19 B - Behavior Control
--48:00 I - Information Control
--1:05:02 T&E - Thought & Emotional Control
11. 1:00:07 and 2:00:53 If any of our listeners have WMSCOG books and would like to donate them to help equip our ministry, where can they send them?
12. 1:11:14 What role can spiritual warfare play in how the characteristics of the B.I.T.E. Model can affect cult members?
13. 1:13:05 When we engage in conversations with WMSCOG members, what are some of the key verses/arguments that get brought up, their perspective on how those verses/arguments support their theology, and some good responses we can offer to those verses/arguments?
14. 1:31:34 About the "Prophecy of the 40 Years of David" that WMSCOG members are taught
15. 1:38:53 Do you think the WMSCOG may claim that AhnSahngHong's baptism was at the age of 30 in order to strengthen the connection between him and Jesus (who was baptized at the age of 30)?
16. 1:39:33 About their observance of the feasts, and their claim that observance is necessary for salvation
17. 1:48:00 How do WMSCOG members interpret Galatians 4: 26, and how can we respond to that verse, offering them an explanation of its proper context?
18. 1:55:37 If I've come to realize that I've been a part of a cult (either formerly or presently), what should I do?
is that like ingsoc but different
This time stamp is awesome! Thanks Sarah Zimmerman!
I was able to jump to points to shh by share!
Carole Rosario My pleasure, Carole! I'm so glad the timestamps were helpful for you!
Nvnn
Thaaaank Yoooouuuuuu!!!!
I am currently involved with this church. The Lord, after prayer, guided me to this video. Thank you for doing the Lord's work. Thank you so much.
I'm so happy to hear that! I've been praying that people who are deceived by cults could be drawn to the truth.
Praise the Lord!
I hope you got out Michael! ❤️
YHWH is the Heavenly Father the Creator the Father of the Messiah YHSWH aka Jesus aka Joshua...
Michael I pray the Holy Spirit has lead out ! Run 🏃♀️ for your life from any cults plead the blood of Jesus!!! Jesus of Nazareth!
I was approached by a girl from this group in Walmart. I attempted to debate her on the scripture verses she was throwing at me (because I knew the context of the verses)...and she basically got freaked out and hurried away. Know your Bible, it makes a huge difference in these interactions
Yeah my ex got super into religion but really didn’t read the Bible enough to know the truths now he’s in this cult .
It recently happened to me. Also, at Walmart 😂 dude just told me I was brainwashed when I told him that his verses were out of context.
Same exact thing happened to my husband and I last night at the Irvine Spectrum in So Cal.
Please look into the Queen of Heaven scriptures. Many Americans are being misled by the lukewarm beliefs because of false teaching of prosperity. Jesus already knew that when he was preaching. That is why HE LEFT THE SCRIPTURES OF THE ONE TO COME. WISDOM. JERUSALEM. PLEASE PRAY FOR THE TWO WITNESSES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW ON THE EARTH. THIS IS NO JOKE. AKA SOPHIA. LOOK HER UP. AND IF CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO PROCLAIM THEY LOVE JESUS SO MUCH THEN WHY ARE THEY NOT SEEKING PROPHECIES????
Having gotten out of JWs summer 2020, it blows my mind how even this cult is similar to them. As a JW, I thought we were so unique. But all cults are the same at their core: the end is right around the corner, you have to perform works for salvation, you can be shunned if you're disciplined, cherry-picked scriptures, rely heavily on publications other than the Bible, make prophecy that fails to happen, gaslight members, etc. It finally hit me that I was not a part of something good, decent, unique, honest, and holy. It is devious, dangerous, evil, misleading, and oppressive. I am so happy to have been rescued by God and I am trying hard to clean out the Watchtower cobwebs from my mind and heart and move forward in Christ.
Same experience here with Christian Science.
I have been thinking the same thing. I have gotten out of Mormonism and this cult is quite similar to it as well. It saddens me to see this cult deceiving so many people. I am glad you have found Christ. It is not common to find Ex-Mormons and Ex-JWs pursuing Christ. Most of them either become lukewarm, agnostic, or full-blown atheist because once they find out that they have been deceived, they don't know what to believe in anymore. I almost fell down that path after leaving the church, but by God's grace, he rescued me when I read his word (the Bible).
Same i watch ex-jw testimonies all the time and i can tell their are many similarities between jw and wmscog. Glad you are out 👍
Mystery schools of Babylon......
Glad you got out of that. Good job!
I'm an agnostic, though I love the idea of religion and have been doing more research on it.
I have been attending a 'Bible Study' with someone who approached me in my college town and on the latest study he started speaking about Ahn Sahng-Hong and that doomsday is near...
I just want to say thank you for making these videos! They have helped me realize that these teaching are not Christian teachings and should be rejected. As well as equipping me with knowledge to so I can dispute these teachings with grounded, theological arguments.
Wow, that’s so cool! Good luck, and God bless you. Debating with others theology is hard.
The truth will set us free from contagious thoughts. It’s still crazy to think that the Codex Vaticanus was written in the 4th century AD. While the Dead Sea scrolls have been a bit hectic to say the least what remains is the very essence of the words “all things will come to pass but the word will last”. It is a shame that people’s own opinions interject teachings and try confiding in niche out of context verses as the disguising foundations of adequate teachings which shows weakness and as examples of failures in faith.
As an example of God in my life I recently went back to looking into the faith with an old small missionary gift of a New Testament Bible coupled with the book of Psalms. In this walk I decided to sit on a bench and just randomly open the Bible and saw Psalms chapter 139.
That chapter is all about being hidden from God yet his presence is always with me. I go to the mountains yet he’s still there where can I find a place without his presence?
This isn’t to be given victory points like Pharisees pridefully praying in public, it’s a silent calming moment that while it has no supernatural bearing it resonated me as I was heading out of my house from where I’d normally dedicated to read my Bible as of late.
Sure people can call that a convenient page but this also falls in line with Jesus’s teachings of not showing miracles as the Pharisees would say the sky is suppose to look like that and that the stars were set in the sky with an existing purpose.
It’s odd how these words don’t age.
My message to you is to continue but also let those words resonate in your mind and meditate on context. Without it, we will fall like fools who thought of these outlandish ideologies or scams. Hosea 4:6 said it best “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”
Peace be with you.
See his videos of fulfillment of prophecies
You dont seem all that "agnostic " to me.
I pray that God shows you the way.
Whenever you said they have official songs for the cult, I thought of ‘Mother Knows Best’ from Rapunzel 🤣
Same! XD
YHWH is the Heavenly Father the Creator the Father of the Messiah YHSWH aka Jesus aka Joshua....
Mummzy knows best! 🎶🎵🎶
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Very true they do. My friend showed them a Tasha Cobb song and they were concerned about the song not being about Ahn Sahng-Hong which I was taught which is the 'name' of the Holy Spirit.
I always pray that my mother, brother and his wife, and my sister will be able to realize and get out of WMSCOG-Church of God!
Hi , are you a fil? im a previous member of the said church and "tumiwalag" recently . i have few questions to ask
I will pray with you, IN JESUS NAME! Amen......believe. Much Love, Many Many Prayers......🕊🙏✝️✡️💖🙋♀️
I totally want to go to this church now. Has any of their leadership gotten caught twiddling kids yet?
@@daxbruce3491 no that's mainly a RC thing however you do know psychopaths and narsisists get to the top of all organisations and do nasty things because they have gained power. It's the same thing everywhere including the BBC in England. Trudeaus friends are known pedos. Epstien island for example. We have scandles in every county and in every country. Keep the world in perspective. These people are everywhere. Its disgusting no matter where it is but understand how they operate. Celebrities are heavily involved. Crissy tegan for example.
Are they still in the PH? I was recruited in the said church way back 2013 and thank God, I came to my senses so quickly. 😅
It is very discouraging to know that this cult is operating still and at large. They pray to a different God! I was a part of this cult for months and thankfully was able to pull myself out.
God be Praised
Thank the Lord Jesus! He loves you so much to allow you to get out!!
They’re literally everywhere. This is one of many. I was radically saved about an month ago and the Holy Spirit has given me new eyes to see what I couldn’t before. Continue praying to Jesus to call more of his children home.
God pull you out.
its scary they are even in the Caribbean
I had a friend (sort of) that invited me to a service. I went and spent the whole time standing my ground and debating a youth leader on their doctrines. I think I won 😂
How?
Bruh I was debating earlier now too
Good for you! My girlfriend is trying to get me to go into their bible study. I think Ill have some questions for them lol. idk how people fall for this stuff.
YHWH is the Heavenly Father the Creator the Father of the Messiah YHSWH aka Jesus aka Joshua.......
@@joshuabacon4564 ok? What of it?
I am getting therapy now. I missed my first Tuesday and this looming fear came over me. I started therapy, blocked members. This is my first Saturday not going and I am glad. It’s a toxic environment.
@@AbundantlyBlessedByTruth checking in, how are you doing? Have you found people to support you?
I’m very proud of you, please keep going to therapy and focusing on your own health.❤
Last week members of this group came to my door. Thankfully they found my children equipped with the true word of God and never came back. My children gave them a hard time. I didn't know about this cult until my children asked me about "mother god" and eternal life, the research has lead me to this channel. Thanks from Uganda.
The fact that they're unwilling to share their material, and are so secretive about it is a MAJOR red flag... If a group can't be up front about their core teachings and don't want anyone outside the group to have access to those materials, turn and run in the opposite direction.
Humble yourself
Exactly, Eric. At that point, that's all you need to know about the group to protect yourself and your loved ones.
Its to protect its members and Satan is very clever!!! Christ Ahnsonghong is the Holy Spirit and he restored Passover only GOD can do that!!!
@@Keke-dg6qk There was never a need to restore the Passover, "For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed" (1 Corinthians 5:7). So, do you mean to suggest that there is a greater lamb of God than Jesus Christ himself (and I mean the Jesus Christ of the Bible, not your antichrist Ahnsonghong)?
@@Keke-dg6qk
The Jewish Passover was no more after Jesus became the _new_ Passover Lamb.
Peace
I had a guitar teacher when someone approached him with “Have you heard of mother god?” He said “Is that a band?”
Bruh 😩😂😂😂
Dead 🤣🤣
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Lamb of God man...Lamb of God 🤣🤣
Thats so funny!
One of them approached my wife in a grocery store and I ended up rebuking that man in the name of Jesus. He's so decieved and even said he saw your video when I mentioned it.
They approached my daughter in law 4 months ago in a grocery store as well. I have never heard of this cult until then. Now my son and daughter in law are there every time the doors are open. Praying their eyes open soon that this is a cult and not of the Lord..
Mike leaves no stone unturned. He’s an awesome teacher.
No the Holy Spirit in him . Is the AWESOME teacher ..
@@theodoreritola7641 like the Bereans they studied hard and were commended for that. Some credit is due in my opinion. The glory goes to the Holy spirit.
A few years ago I was working at a car dealership with a gentleman. I was new but all the other sales ppl could not stand this particular guy. I thought they were hating because he was the top seller every single month. (Im sure that played a role) but he and I bonded over Christ and I was starting to become his mentee at work.
Well one day he asked me to bible study and I agreed to go. He invited me to this house in a normal looking neighborhood but the house was completely empty inside.
He had said he was just moving but it was.....bone dry empty. So I already started feeling a bit weird. So I get there and hes cooking and theres only one other person there a young lady.
I was told she would be the one having bible study with me and no one else is was coming. So I was like haha okay...😅😅
Long story short she starts this bible study which is really more like a demonstration that I found eerily specific. Like said in the video, the scriptures were so out of context. The flipping to certain scriptures in order to prove what she was saying was so unsettling to me for some reason.
I let her go along with it until the end because well one I was alone in a house in a town I wasnt familiar with with people I didnt know. But once she was done I just nodded and said yeah wow this really interesting and then I left as quickly as possible. I will never forget thay experince though.
Thank GOD you're ok
@@home4life505 thank you so am I
Oh my goodness 😭. That is such a scary experience. God is faithful that he kept you safe and steadfast in your belief and faith. ✝️♥️
My dad has been a leader in this cult for years and years. It terrifies me and I pray for him constantly. If I ever get my hands on any of the books I’ll hook you up :) He lives in another country right now. I love him so much and it hurts knowing he won’t be in heaven with me if he doesn’t ever leave. If you could please keep both him and his wife who led him into it, in your prayers, thank you.
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I’ll pray for you! ❤️
Prayers for your dad and people in cult for their eyes to be opened to the Truth from bible. Amen.
heaven doesnt exist
TY Mike for fulfilling Ephesians 5:11 which says "Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.
I swear this is the group that forcefully baptized a few students at my university years ago. At the time, there were girls who were going out in pairs trying to tell people about God the Mother all over our campus. It was hard finding info about them at the time, just had to use good old bible knowledge to figure out they weren’t on the right track.
Well the first god was a goddess so............
Yeah they don't worship a male dominator war god. So yeah, they don't worship YOUR god.
@@daxbruce3491 blasphemy
@@knowwisedome3981 I know right?
I still Love you.
They highly pressured me to baptize ASAP ; even after a few studies. If I didn’t attend the full sabbath or third day worship, they’d accuse me of being in the world and distracted from father and mother. They claim they “love you” yet if you leave the church you’ll never hear from that. Is that love ?
Wow! So much information! I actually live in South Korea right now, and the WMSCOG and Shincheonji are everywhere here. I appreciate this!
I’m so grateful for this broadcast. A couple of years ago I moved to Virginia and we were in search of a church and some new friends. I ran into these people at Walmart and they invited me to a “Bible study”. I was so excited. After talking to the girl for a little bit, she mentioned that they were studying the female form of God an Quoted Galatian 4:26, Genesis 1:26-27 and others. My excitement quickly faded away when I heard about “god the mother.” She contacted me the next day and we had a very intense conversation about god the mother. I left her the address to my church and asked her to visit and look me up if she ever decided to investigate her church and needed someone to talk to.
Wow my son and I we just got baptized,how can I reverse that!!!
To anyone in Arizona, beware if your friends and family go to Glendale Community College, they were constantly running around on campus approaching anyone they could
Yup... encountered 2 women at a downtown campus of my city many years ago. Being pretty solid, I instantly rebuffed them. They were tenacious. I stood my ground and ended the interaction.
I ran into them about 10 years ago at ASU. They asked me the question about the mother of God and I replied, oh you mean Mary who gave birth to Jesus and his brothers and sisters and then died right.? I never knew that I was approached by a cult until now. So be aware if you are around ASU.
My wife was approached by them about 10 years ago in Wilmington, NC. She said she would sit down with them if everyone agreed to only use the Bible as the source. They agreed, and then immediately pulled out another book and said that you have to use the new book as well. She said no thanks and left since they had agreed to only use the Bible.
God is amazing because I've been in contact and bible studies with a lady from this church. The things she teaches was new to me: keeping the Sabbath, observing the passover and mother god. I realised the Sabbath and the passover is good to keep but I felt pressure to keep them because she said it's the only way to get blessing and be saved. I cut her off for a few weeks because she stated telling me about the second coming and that didn't sit right with me. So I spent some time with God on my own through prayer and in the bible. I had questions about observing these and the importance if it. I came across verses that said we are saved by grace and faith believing in Jesus we are saved. Peter through the wisdom of God said the gentiles shouldn't carry the yoke his ancestors weren't able to carry but through faith we are saved. Then I come across this video today. Its only by His grace. I am completely cutting ties with this woman because all I need is God and building my relationship with Him and listening to His word!
Thank you for this video. God bless you
Three ladies approached me and told me the exact same thing! I told them that we're saved by Grace and there's nothing we can DO to be saved. I'm glad you searched for these answers in the Bible. We have to be vigilant.
@@Isabel-dm1gy I will indeed. Thanks sis.
thanks for this comment i was also thought the samething in order for me to be save i must do those things
YES! God bless
that's why the message of Apostle Paul to the Colossians is the sufficiency of Christ...any beliefs and ordinances added is just separating us from faith...
Heb.7:25 He(Jesus)is able also to save them to the "UTTERMOST" that come unto God by Him.
UTTERMOST=maximum, most, paramount,supreme,ultimate(Merriam-Webster)🙂
I encountered this group just yesterday, they use scripture out of context. Thank you for making this video to inform other people about this cult as much as possible. I came across to your channel finding way how i can answer their analogies. God bless you more.
Wow...so it's an organization that is led by a narcissist, that encourages narcissistic control tactics.
Shocking huh? government is just as bad of a cult as anything else. Mommy Religion or Daddy government both require control of perception and personnel.
I mean that is kind of the cult leader archetype lol
Well. I was just about to finally go to sleep but now I’ll listen to this 2hr video instead 🤣🤣 thanks Mike!
Me too 😂
Same!
Courtney Noel 😂
I was just about to write the same thing. Lol!
Same hrre.....Hurricane Sally whipping around us here in Mobile, Al right now⛈️⛈️🌀
Thanks Mke!😁
As someone desperate to find anything that brought me closer to God, I feel sad that this is what my commitment led to but glad I found out sooner than later (a couple of hrs after baptism to be exact and being exposed to the church study ways for a couple of days😂)
I've been a believer in Christianity since I was baptised as a baby but later fully experienced God's love at the age of 16. I turned to Christ and tried to live the life set out for me, obviously failing as known 😅.
At my current age of 21, I thought it would be best to commit my life more to God, thus open to anything "Christian" like sounding. I willingly went to their study sessions for five days for roughly an hr (a one on one with the pastor accompanied with the person who brought me to their church) and got baptised after I covered ten subjects. Being flooded with information and scriptures being picked out to back up their claims, it felt like the scripture was being used out of context but I didn't have the urge to test that as the pastor was speaking with such confidence. I had the feeling of, "wow I'm learning new things" things I did know (not everything taught) but because it was taught differently, I doubted what I learnt and fully committed to what I heard from the pastor. It was always followed by, "do you have any questions?" I never truly understood the saying, "I don't know what I don't know" until asked this question during studying of Subjects and topics.
They convinced me that to get into heaven; you had to be baptised as soon as possible, for tomorrow was unknown. As much as they backed this up with scripture, it didn't occur to me to stop and think about what I was getting myself baptised into. Thinking I was doing this all for the Glory of God and how this would further strengthen my bond with him, I was merely fooling myself. An hr after I was baptised, I had the urge to search this church up. A feeling to test its claims to be valid as it's teaching goes, the church of God is the only church that God will save because all the other churches didn't follow one of many, e.g. "Passover" teachings and how if they didn't do this, they would be essentially denied eternal life even though they believed in Jesus Christ. Etc etc.
I'm glad that God showed me this. May anyone desperate to be part of a community that teaches the bible commit themselves to the Bible first, as stated in this video, in Jesus mighty name. Amen.
I was taken by how accurate Mike would speak on the church of God members. Now, realising what I did not know and now know was the game changer for me, so thank you.
Hi Christine, I will pray for you right now that you do find a good church that God is working in and can use you in. Mike did one short video a while back on how to know if a church is good/Biblical title (how to choose a good church). I would check that out. And just searching for verses that talk about what good leaders are like and their qualifications and verses on the Church's role in the world.
Maybe you have already found a sound church truly following Jesus which is great. If not, please don't give up. You need to be gathering with other believers.
Hope my comment wasn't presumptuous. I just wanted to provide a little guidance and encouragement. I'm glad you didn't get caught up in that church you talked about.
Omg the EXACT same this happened to me!!! I was only apart of them for a few months doing studies, was baptized, went to ONE service and instantly knew this was a mistake. Granted I always had this voice in the back of my head telling me that this wasn’t right, especially when it came to mother God and the sending coming, but I had been doing studies for months before even learning this and was already in the belief that well I guess it’s true.
Of course that little voice was the Holy Spirit, but I can’t even express how uncomfortable that service was, it was horrible. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough haha, thank God he was with us and opened our eyes before we got too deep.
Thanks! I Have these guys preaching Passover at my school. I pray they don’t get any of these people trapped.
Praise Jesus that people got saved out of this cult Praise Jesus
Praise to jesus that people got out of jesuses geoup*
Really. Thanks to Holy spirit..
My daughter is involved with this Cult. I am so happy to have found this!
I hope the Lord Jesus has opened her eyes . From this Cult
@@theodoreritola7641 Not yet but I keep praying. Thanks 🙏 and may the Lord bless you!
@@veronica-official And you as well And He will in His time Open her eyes .
My thought exactly ,,See you in Heaven. .
Thank you so much Mike I literally was ambushed at the store by one of their members. It didn't take me long to precieve that this lady I was talking to was in a cult, I know my Bible so I was able to see it right away. I can see how a nominal believer or everyday person could be led atray by their muddled theology as you stated. Praying for this lady that I met will come to see the truth of Jesus
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Thanks for sharing this video Pastor Mike! I’m from Alberta, Canada and had an encounter with this group for the first time a few years ago at my University. I knew something was off, but never could find much about it online. Thanks so much for bringing this to the wide wide web!
I'm glad I found this....I work with a girl who was explaining she believes all this stuff and now I understand why.
Good. GOD'S grace
A few hours ago, my mom's older sister came and "evangelized" to my mom for the nth time. It seems that the group is in a hurry to evangelize because Passover is just two weeks away. I was just there in the background (cooking in the kitchen), listening and wondering if I needed to jump into the conversation to plant seeds of doubt into my aunt's mind. The conversation was starting to get heated so I decided to sit it out. My aunt didn't attempt to evangelize to me and my dad maybe because she knows we can deal with her evangelizing. She did talk to my grandma, though, inviting her to the annual Passover meal a few weeks from now.
I was a bit rattled as I was listening even though I knew what my aunt was saying was refutable, perhaps because she spoke so confidently and authoritatively. Thanks to you guys in this video, I got reminded once again how to deal with a situation like that.
I think you guys missed something important in this video. I think you should've also talked about what exactly they believe mankind need saving from. I may be wrong in my understanding, but I remember my aunt and his son telling me once a few years ago that our salvation was from the coming destruction of the world with fire. The only refuge is with their mother. I don't think they believe that we need salvation from sin ultimately.
ILJCN (Colossians 3:17),
This is how you can tell Truth from error:
James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures:
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind.
Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached.
Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones.
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@@miacrowe7133 Thank you. I've known, understood, and believed ever since I ran into the group for the first time that they are heretical, though.
Funny story: I heard about this mother God cult 5 years ago at my house. They came knocking and started talking to my bro about God. Then by the of the Holy Spirit, I can hear clearly what the person was saying to my bro on the second story on the opposite side of where they were. It was crazy, but I heard every word. It went against the gospel spoken by Paul and lived by Jesus. Any way, I came down and I started to talk with him. I listened, and as he presented the Bible, it was talking about mother God. Such nutty aspect. After getting into the Bible, he did not want to talk. Then he brought another person who was "the teacher." Then we spoke. Then the teacher started to get upset and left. Never say him or the group again. Thank God for Him stepping in for who knows what would havenhaooened with my brother.
Amen amen brother Paul.
I pray for them to see the truth
Good for you. GOD can use those Scriptures to convict and take those in bondage into freedom! Got a phone call from mormons once in the 90's. Wondering what I was doing? Was convicting some. They were losing team members. A doctor friend had called the mormons as a joke regarding me to win me to their side. So was having frequent visits. If GOD convicted me to do it, and HE did, I would look for the weaker missionary and ask GOD for Scripture to demonstrate TRUTH. TRUTH is so much more a reflection of GOD's LOVE than cult lies. GOD used HOLY BIBLE TRUTH to change lives caught in darkness. Of this I have no doubt! lucifer is busy these days deceiving those who do not take the time to learn about GOD in the HOLY BIBLE for themselves.
@Lilith Luna yes they may have some things unequal but thats because Paul was for the gentiles so he had slightly other rules for them
@Lilith Luna isnt it?
had to come to this video after this lady came up to me on my campus trying to convince me to attend their bible studies 😭😭 i knew something about them was fishy
Thank you for putting this content out here. My mother has been with this cult for years and our relationship has been severed because if them. She had called me the other day and got into a conversation about holidays. This time, I've completely drew the line once in for all when she told me that Jewish people deserved what happened to them and that what Hitler did was right. I'm not 100% sure what in the world they're teaching her, but when she said that, I want nothing to do with her anymore. I just don't have time for that kind of nonsense.
I’m so sorry about what happened to your mother, that sounds terrible! I had a few people approach me at the mall talking to me about this cult. Good thing I found this content! Hopefully your mother can be saved.
So sad.
@Sarah Alderman I gave up because I have too much on my plate including my kids. They come first, especially when she tells me that one of my children is Satan's work, I completely shut myself off from her emotionally. My mother, has a history of mental things going on (reason why she's in this cult in 1st place) that I've been cut and burned one too many times it gets to the point where our relationship just died. She's on her own. She does great at pushing people away.
@@JohnSmithAwesomeSauce55 Thank you. I don't know what will happen but hopefully she can find her own peace when it's time for her to go. She has a very long history of issues one pushing away people who tell her the truth about her mental issues. The one things that is positive about all this that um learning so much about what trauma can do to you and how to heal and move forward rather than stay stuck in victim mode. She's a perfect example of what NOT to do.
WHAT????????? I used to be into holocaust denial but after coming to Christ and entering the truth, it became so obvious that the things I thought I knew were so obviously false. Only the work of a demon could blind someone so heavily... Praying for your mother
Thankyou for this. I was a member🖤 no one sewms to know much about this
I’m glad I found this content! I only had a few interactions with them but now I know the truth
To know the truth ,found channel of Jehovah the only organisation preaching the good news, abut the Kingdom,, All other fools abut the Kingdom,, Jesus his the head off the Kingdom , and the onotied his Brother, they going to be in haven,, to roll for a 1000 year,, That's the truth, and That's wate going to happen,, All other teaching is lieyer of Satin,, Remember Jesus is come from Jehovah God Almighty,, you dont billive Jesus hiw can you believe Jehovah,,
At the time of the video, you said you had 138K subscribers and now you're over 740K. And you're still a humble, caring soul with a HUGE reach and audience. ❤🙏🏻
They have approached me on my campus 3 times, one time I even recognized them from trying to recruit me downtown from months before. Due to me not being extremely religious, I was just listening to their logic because of how harmless it seemed, but my girlfriend -- pure, honest christian -- kept yelling at me to get away. She is Korean from South Korea, so she warned me saying how common this stuff is and how crazy they are.
After seeing this content it is surreal to me how so many people get tricked because initally all they talk about is Jesus Christ and the bible, so you never question them. I wonder when it becomes too late for people to the point they feel like they have to stay?
Can you do a video about Shincheonji Church of Jesus ? It’s also a cult originated in Korea. They are getting people to join their mystery “Bible study class”. A lot of people have been deceived. 😭😭😭
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ILJCN (Colossians 3:17),
This is how you can tell Truth from error:
James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures:
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind.
Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached.
Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones?
🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
God has blessed Mike with a beautiful voice and a caring heart for others ❤ !
YOUR FIRST VIDEO was great! and yes more people need to speak about this group... I was approached by two of their members at a University Campus in PE South Africa and i had never heard of them, it was shocking because i genuinely didn't know someone could misread and twist scripture LIKE THAT. So the scary thing is they started in Korea now are in Africa. I pray God guards all believers and that we get to know God so we can see the lies when they come this way.
Hie
I'm also from PE, I didn't know these guys are also here in PE.
I was approached yesterday 😅
Can I have your email? I was recently kicked out of this cult fro bringing up Ahnsahnghong’s baptism form. I want to send you all my books and notes that I’ve taken since being in this cult for two years
@Selena Snow please could I buy all the books from you?
He tells you at 1:00:10
Selena mail them to Mike, Loop loop is a member of the cult he may hide them
I live in Salt Lake City… so you can imagine what missionaries I talk to on a regular basis. The other day at Walmart I get stopped by one of the WMSCG missionaries, I was completely caught off guard about what I was hearing and what he was saying. When I started talking back, he got confused and asked why I moved to SLC. I told him it was to start a non-LDS (baptist to be specific) church at the University Of Utah. Once he realized that I know, have studied, and believe the Bible… he stopped talking to me. The whole interaction sticks out to me and I have been doing research in what they believe so any future conversation I have with them I am prepared and ready to talk (lovingly of course) Thank you Pastor Winger, even if this is a year later, you are helping me share the truth and talk to those God has delivered on my doorstep and understand what they believe
I was in a cultish church and I am having flashbacks from watching this...
That cult is rampant on Twitter - they post Bible verses, but then when you go to their websites listed on their twitter bios, it's all about the 'mother god'. It can be really difficult to talk to cult members about their wrong beliefs, so I am grateful for videos like this.
Lon Spector I am curious why? Sometimes God does save people out of cults . I agree to a point, sometimes their mind is made up- but we are called to evangelize as well. Do you think it’s better just to pray for them instead?
Twitter link?
@@elliotu9268 I've blocked them every time they spam DM'ed me, so I don't have a link. Google Church of the Almighty God/Eastern Lightning and you'll find them.
“They’ll buy all of the books to prevent them from being spread”
I think I found a new way to get rich
you need to find some truth or evil that compels people to keep your word from others i doubt you got the goods baby lol
Just after my mother died, I was approached by a young woman asking me to join her bible study. She highlighted how important it was to celebrate the old testament feasts. I shared some of what I believed with her as well. I took her card and told her I would pray for her. When I got home I looked it up and found that they believed in God the mother. I never saw her again.
I got approached by a member of that group in the mall once I had never heard of them before that. The person that approached me almost acted as if they were under some kind of spell I knew right away it was a cult, I prayed for that person later on, wish I had in that moment, proclaimed the truth of Jesus Christ to them.
Can only pray for him now.
Same thing happened to me. I tried to explain they were misinterpreting scripture but i didn't have enough understanding of breaking it down in context. I still don't know if i could answer appropiately today
Your content on WMSCOG is how I found your channel two years ago and it was super helpful to me as I was spending time with two girls a part of WMSCOG
Were you able to steer them towards the truth of Christ?
@@justkenzie we did go through a few passages of the Bible together, sharing what we each believed! But after a few weeks they both ghosted me 🤷 I shared what I could at the time, and I still pray for them when they cross my mind. I don't know what God's doing in their lives anymore or if I played much of a role. But the overall experience was great for me 😅 it came after a time where I'd been struggling with my faith, and it helped me see that I was confident in God and the Bible again
Mike, your videos are so accurate. I attended this cult for two years, never went to any other church before it. Once I stopped learning new things in the church, I got bored and frustrated, and I thought it was just me. They do teach the same verses and chapters over and over. I am a lesbian, which is one of the main reasons I had issues with this church. Thank you guys for these videos. God bless.
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ILJCN (Colossians 3:17),
This is how you can tell Truth from error:
James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures:
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind.
Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached.
Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones?
🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
Pretty sure most people here & most churches would have a problem with an open lesbian being a worshiper of God among them
So you chose the Christmas churches, instead of the Passover church
These people approached me at Trader Joe's today. Was total Heresy! 2nd time they approached me. First time was in JCPENNEY and two women walked up to me asking if she could show me that God was a woman in the Bible. I said absolutely not! They walked away. Today at Trader Joe's, they stopped me and invited me to Bible study. I told them I study my Bible every day and just finished a One year chronological and starting a new study and didn't have time to add anything else. They persisted and invited me to celebrate Passover with them so I asked more questions because I thought maybe they were some kind of messianic church. Then they stated the Sabbath nonsense and told me Christians worship sun god on Sundays. Sounded like zeitgeist CZcams video teachings from 2011. They tried to show me scriptures and everytime I quoted a scriptures that refuted what they were saying. Then they said something about god the mother and I asked her to repeat what she said because that phrase triggered my memory to the JCPenney experience. I told them no, the only worship of a mother was a queen of heaven and that was forbidden by God, so I wouldn't be interested in their Bible study. They persisted and I share Revelation 22:18-19 and they suddenly had to go say you have to come to a Bible study to understand. I said no thanks because God said let him who lacks wisdom ask of God, so I don't need them to teach me to understand the Word of God and neither do they. They didn't seem to like that.
Thank you so much for this Mike! I had a lengthy interaction with this group at my former college in 2014. I had recently read through genesis and I got to School and I felt the Lord telling me to read revelation. So I sat in the quad and the moment I finish the book a guy comes up to me asking if I'm a Christian and then goes into the quick mother god script. We have a short conversation but the more I ask questions, and say things like "I thought 'made in Our image' was referring to the Trinity" he decides that he'd like to set up another time for us to talk so he can bring his leader to answer more of my questions. I happily oblige and think if he can bring his mentor, I can bring mine. So I invite my pastor to come along, but unfortunately he's busy and he says it seems like I'm handing it well. So I went to the meeting alone and was completely filled with the Holy Spirit. He was allowing me to quote scripture that I didn't even know I remembered. At the end I said I would think and pray about there interpretations if they would about mine. They agreed, and I sincerely hope they did. Either way, if they weren't able to take anything away from that conversation I know the Lord has certainly used it to bless me.
I am a Christian and I met some of these guys when they were recruiting on my college campus. I went to a couple of services and studied with one of the members. I never committed to them, I just never fully believed. I stayed longer than I should have partly because one of the men I became close to, I know he’s a good guy but I just think he’s caught. Another guy that was apart of the group also studied with me and I was very leery of him from the beginning, just something in my gut that said something wasn’t right about him. I was invited to the big church right before spring break and little to my surprise that was my baptism, but I did not go through it, I never believed them even though I believe some principles that they teach. Fast forward two years later, I came across the guy that initially recruited me, just wanting to check up on him and his family since 2020 was such a trying year. He was doing well but all of a sudden I get a call from the other guy, a number I didn’t recognize but it was an area code of my college. I picked up and we’ve been studying for the past two weeks. Thank God I came across these videos, I still did not fully believed, I know I just need to fully cut them off. One thing about them was that the younger women were always very weird to me, not friendly at all, sort of like they were forced not to talk to any other men. The only friendly woman was of one of the wives of a leader. That fact never sat right with me.
ILJCN (Colossians 3:17),
This is how you can tell Truth from error:
James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures:
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
---------------------------
God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind.
Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached.
Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones?
🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
It’s hard when you look for a good church and this cult takes you to “Bible study” and has you go into the Bible and read scriptures.and now through mike know that all their teaching were just bits of scriptures pieced together that we’re OUT OF CONTEXT…teach false teachings….I did honestly like HOW they teach about the Bible but wrong is wrong. ughh this sucks.thanks mike for all the information!… well now on to looking for a new church again.
Basically you’re saying that a CZcams video is more reliable than a BIBLE (BIBLE) study? How ? How can you not think that sucks ? God is not on CZcams, is on the Bible. ❤
@@luiscarloscastanedadelaros6045
Dude, the bible cannot self-interpret, agree?
_Somebody_ has to interpret it. This is where the problem starts.
For 2,000 years Christians agree that the bible says that there is only one God (who is 3 Persons). Even the Jewish people believe in one God.
Then wmscog (the new kid on the block) comes and says no, no, no...there is a god and a god-dess!
See what I mean?
So *_who_* you listen to determines where you finally end up with - for better or for worse. I think you have chosen the wrong 'person' to listen to. Prayers for you.
I was approached yesterday and I was crying to God asking Him f my faith could be that easily shaken. I fasted and trusted the Holy Spirit for the conversation of today (8 June 2023).
They are so well trained in only using specific verses to make their point.
And their "trinity" conversation is so flawd.
I'm grateful to God that I could come across this video.
I decided to record this 'teaching' sessions and the person was mad, apparently next time they will take the phones to 'protect the truth'.
I informed him, Jesus is the truth and doesn't need a mortal to defend or protect Him.
Not sure he'll return 😅
Well they aren’t that convincing ..tryna tell a black person they God from the 80s and probably listened to the Beatles in Korean subtitles while my people dying for rights kinda deafens
@ Great video. This particular group is growing quickly. We need to put the word out!
THANK YOU GUYS for tackling this cult and getting the word out - and for your fair, factual treatment of it. I was approached by 2 women in the grocery store late one evening and they cherry-picked 3-4 verses from the Bible and tried to build a case for a “hither-to hidden” new revelation in the Bible... but of course they didn’t lead with that. Their argument was obviously very much relying on my lack of familiarity with the Bible, especially prophecies in Revelation relating to Jerusalem and even the woman birthing the child (Israel and Christ)! Their opening statement to me was “have you ever heard anything about the female god of the Bible? I knew this was going to be some weird cult stuff, but no I had never heard that before so I engaged with them. They proceeded to present their 3-4 verses, out of context, with strange new interpretations that didn’t really connect clearly with one another (they begged for elaboration and additional study. Like a hook and bait). When I replied politely that I thought they were taking those verses out of context, and that actually this that and the other, that’s when they whipped out the line about “ah, yes, you would say that, but see we have a new revelation that has been hidden in the scriptures until now for the faithful. So now wouldn’t you be interested if God had something new to say to you?” Hmm... I believe scripture repeatedly warns us about false prophets, and those who would add to or alter God’s revealed Word! And is quite complete in itself in its current form. I told them no, I reject that idea based upon Scripture itself, and I wasn’t interested in hearing any more about a supposed new revelation that contradicted God’s Word.
Christian brothers and sisters, know the REAL truth so that you can identify false teaching when you hear or see it! Pray that the Holy Spirit would give you discernment. Study the Word and truth, and pursue closeness with others who also value and hold fast to it.
God bless you, gentlemen (creators of this video)!
They tried to grab me the same way and then we got tied up on the difference in Christianity of being under grace vs under the law. They kept trying to get in my personal space and that was the tipping point for me to end the conversation, which I regret because once I had about 5 minutes to calm down and talk to my parents I was able to find the verses that I wish I could have shared with them about the Good News of Jesus. They seemed genuinely taken back by the idea that we were no longer slaves to the law.
When I worked in Philadelphia, I went out for a lunch "Bible study" with an old coworker. It turned into him explaining that his church is the only true church being led by Jesus now, the Sabbath is on Saturday, all holidays are pagan, something about Passover and communion being necessary to be saved. He pulled verses out of context but never mentioned the "Mother God." Even though I was strong in my biblical beliefs, it still spooked me. I said I couldn't continue studies with him. I didn't realize until he gave me a flyer for his church's fundraiser that he was part of this cult. Looking back, I regret being fearful and dismissive and not showing him the true Gospel. I haven't seen him in years, and I hope he's gotten out of this thing.
Yeah, I believe all those things except the part of Passover being necessary to be saved, although it says in text that it should be observed forever, and I am not associated with this church or any church please do not connect these religious beliefs with only this church, thank you.
They’re in Alaska! My son was working out at his gym when a classmate of his from high school started conversation about Christ. He invited my son to his “church” on a Saturday. My son was really suspicious but went. When he came home he was traumatized. I’d never heard of them! My son came to Christ on his own and after sitting down I explained how cults like this exist and because they told him some really awful things does not mean it’s true. After understanding he talked to our preacher and was baptized a week later. We are a Christian family that does not preach or pressure. Simply spirituality through Christ is what we thrive for and we do not judge others. If I’d have known what this cult was I would have educated him and saved him a lot of confusion and trauma. Parents be weary
Mike Winger: my superhero who causes insomnia!
Mike Winger, peddling Jesus and can't stop because he would have to get a different profession. I'll sponsor you whenever you are ready to deconvert from this Ceasarian religion. Most apologists have no way out of their financial trap.
3:35am.. and I'm watching this video.. lol
@@adamrollins9258 Adam Rollins, a guy who’s got nothing better to do with his time than attack people
@@adamrollins9258 Welcome, but may I ask - what brought you here?
You're still giving him views and comments.
Back in 2013 two guys in suits came up to me in a Barnes n noble and asked me if I had heard of mother God. I said no God is our Father, and they grabbed a Bible off the shelf and went to Galatians 4:26 which says Jerusalem is above which is the mother of us all (something like that). That’s the only verse they pointed out. They told me Christ had come back secretly and He was a woman who they could tell me how to meet if I wanted to join them.. apparently she was on Rutgers campus in New Brunswick NJ 😏 I pointed them to the script where it says Jesus will be coming on the clouds and His coming will be like the lightning which flashes in the east and is visible in the west so will the coming of the Son of man be.. They said it’s basically a metaphor. I don’t remember everything they or I said but it was enough that they got frustrated and left. They went down the escalator (we were on the top floor) and stared at me the whole time as they descended... super creepy. But I have never met anyone who had heard of this and I’ve never heard about it since!!!
Eastern Lightening! They believe Jesus is in a woman living in New York.They’re Chinese though. So many cults, hard to keep up!
I was eating in New Brunswick years ago and met two dudes from the cult tryna evangelize me! Interesting..guess they were active around Rutgers for a while. That was my first time hearing of this cult.
I encountered them at community college five years ago. They also said that the "let us make man in our image" was an implication of male and female, and not, you know, the Trinity.
The parrable of the "cloud" means flesh meaning when jesus said hed come by the cloud hed return in the flesh and the lighting usually means "gods words" or when god speaks, and basically that means jesus will return in the flesh and preach the gospel to the whole world "east to the west"
@@tarkatheotter6977 jesus will never be a woman only the bride of jesus is a woman
My Relationship with god was ruined by this group. I Have never felt the trust I would need to let myself believe again.
The confusion I was left with at a young age has continued and lingers with me in my everyday life, my trust in people was damaged and I still find myself fighting my curiosity to go back to any religious beliefs.
We are in Greeley Colorado and My husband has had numerous discussions with people in this cult in Walmart, Safeway, etc.. at one point there were 6 arguing and then there was none. I always tell them I am praying for them.
This is really good stuff. I was approached by these people a couple of times a few years ago; one time I tried to counter how they used Scripture, the other time I just couldn't. The minute they said something about "Mother God" I knew it was going to be an absolute charlie foxtrot. I really loved the point about how more important than knowing exactly what the heretics believe is knowing what you believe and why you believe it.
This cult came to my door once. When they spoke about a mother god I assumed they were speaking of Ashera. They were not....they soon walked away pretty quickly when I tried to ask more about who they were talking about.
I just had a
Bible study with one of the members yesterday. An hour long with so much Bible twisting. He walked away after an hour and said let's agree to disagree. He pulled out some of the big guns when I asked him to summarize the main issues for me, how do I get saved? He said get baptized in his church. I said I'm always baptized. He said most churches are pagan because they meet on Sundays. I said they don't have too, I've been to church meetings on Fridays Wednesdays and Saturdays. Early churches met everyday. In the end he brought to the conversation between Jesus and the rich man he's told to do the law to gain eternal life. And he closes the Bible. I said why don't we finish reading that story Jesus tells him to go sell everything and follow him, have you sold everything? He said what and walk around naked? Well how about your house, car, that briefcase you're carrying? In any case he walked away. Apparently, the law only applies to other people.
Did you end up selling everything so you can go to heaven?
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Brooooo. Finally! I met some of these weird people at the mall. I debated them for 30 minutes lol they're weren't to happy.
@jm gee Hahaha, that is the most Chad thing I've read.
@jm gee - what did you say to them that they had an answer for everything?
I appreciate this video about this cult!! I live in Texas and I didn’t know about this cult until they came to my apartment trying to “ evangelize “ me with their bad theology. Thank God I just knew their presentation of God as a woman was wrong but didn’t know how to argue against it . So this is a great ressource. Thanks you guys !!
I ran into three gentlemen proclaiming the mother god... I had a fascinating conversation with them. It is true, they pull random verses together to show that there is a mother god. I stopped them and went back to their verses and made them read in context. Simply put they could not explain around context. Then I asked the most important question, what is to benefit from having a mother god. They responded, "just so much, so wonderful." Like what? "Oh she is just beautiful and peaceful." Again, what's the benefit? I read them the words of Jesus from John 3 and then the Baptism in Trinity, where is your mother god and how can she provide anything more than what God, Jesus and Spirit have already done and provided? They could not give an answer and unfortunately we parted on good terms but I never ran into them again.
I've had a couple of encounters with members of the WMSCOG. In one of them the guy told me straight up that context doesn't matter in Biblical interpretation. This video is so interesting to me though because I'm starting to realize that the church I'm with has so many of these cultish characteristics.
What church are you part of, if you don’t mind me asking?
@@tennisrockstar1 I was a member of the Local Churches associated with Witness Lee and Living Stream Ministry. Since I made that original comment I've left that group. I consider them a cult of personality.
@@danlin8662 Got it, I don't think I have heard of them. I hope you have found a new church home that is healthier in that respect.
@@tennisrockstar1 they're surprisingly obscure, especially for how big they are. I admit, I've become somewhat disillusioned to organized Christianity. I've been looking at the Baptist denomination. I don't know.
@@danlin8662 I understand, I came out of a major church last year, although mainly for doctrinal reasons. I think finding a smaller local church would be a good start, and remembering that no church is perfect, cause we arent. The church I am part of now is small and I believe has baptist roots although its not a major church like the one I was in before.
Pastor Mike doesn't sleep At All, Love this guy
Ahhhhhh, yes! I was kind of sort of kidnapped by this group when I was living in South Korea 😂 It went from two middle aged ladies love bombing me and trying to help me go to Home Plus to get some cleaning supplies to me being whisked away on the other side of the city to their big church. They had me in a meeting room watching a video about how I should join the church and being asked to get baptized right then and there. It was quite the experience. I had just moved to South Korea, so I had no idea about this cult at all.
They are dangerous cult .. using force
I was approached by members of a cult (not sure if this one) outside of LotteMart in Jamsil. They are very aggressive and kept asking me if I lived alone in Korea, where I lived, and if I would come with them for a “traditional Korean ceremony”
I did NOT go with them!
Yeah they target foreigners who live in south korea...i went through the same thing when i lived there.
@@sunshine-db2zm you sold me, I'm joining their church.
Kidnapped .. 😆
Here in 2023 to say this group visited our apartment. It was pretty yuck. All verses were cherry picked - and then we asked them to leave after they asked if we knew that the Bible mentions God as a mother. It freaked me out that they were going door to door. I ended up looking them up and a church is 35 min away. Crazy.
I asked one of them "what is the Holy Spirit?". All he had to say is "it depends on the context". I repeated the question and he just couldn't answer, he had intimidated me the other time because he caught me off guard but this time I was prepared. I quickly told them about who the Holy spirit is to me and that it is the Spirit of God that guides us and fills us as Christians etc... But it's like speaking to a wall because everything is all about Context but they don't have and larger view understanding of what they are reading.
They break the Bible into millions of segments and interpret them individually which makes it lose all context.
My husband and teenage daughter were just approached at the mall by two young men who invited them to their "Bible study" -- to learn about Mother God. Thankfully as soon as they heard "Mother God," they said they weren't interested (my daughter with a huge sigh and shaking her head, lol), but when they told me about it, my jaw hit the floor. I didn't think we'd ever encounter this cult! So grateful for this teaching, for us and for anyone who might encounter it just randomly walking through the mall. I wish I'd been there so I could have pulled these videos up for them!
THE BIGGEST CULT RIGHT NOW, EVER GROWING TOO
I had one of the "Mother God" people knock on my door and tell me about their cult. I'm a Christian and was totally caught on my heels. The next day, i went online and searched for information and came across your channel talking about this. I have been following you since then and have learned a lot! Thanks for everything!
These guys just knocked on my door lol. I told them I have a friend who goes to your church in Vegas. They wanted to talk to me about the pass over. I said no thank you. It got me watching this video now. I need to study my Bible more. I should have just showed them this video.
They wouldn't have watched it. Next time I get approached (been approached 3 times) I'm going to ask if they know who Mike Winger is.. lol I bet they do.
Who is Mike winger ? Is he a prophet ? Is he the second coming Christ ? Maybe I’ve missed a Bible verse.
thank you Pastor Im Pastor Bill Hemingway in northern california, Concord and when we were out in the community evangelizing and ran into two young men who were from world mission and just as you said, trying to convince me about God the mother, after this the Holy Spirit quickened me to get into prayer and research more in how to respond and letting our members know the truth. I will look and watch your videos. Thank you Any more resources and material I need to be better equipped, God bless all that you do Pastor Bill Hemingway
Oh this group!! It's crazzyy. I hardly hear anyone cover anything on them! Thanks so much for doing this! They used to come door to door to try to get more members.
@Lon Spector they came once or twice as well 😯
But I didn't really know much then as I was struggling to learn the truth myself. Praise God I am not in any cult!
Sadly, most real Christians don't KNOW their Bibles. If you know your Bible, you will not fall into this mess.
Christ is the Passover Lamb, we observe Passover constantly because of our faith in Christ. Everyday is Passover for followers of Jesus because his blood was shed to save us all through faith in him.
I recently had two girls come to my door proclaiming a mother god and to my absolute surprise, I was going to hell because I didn't accept mother god for salvation. We sat down, talked back and forth with scripture but they were like dear in headlights verse after verse. After awhile, they said they had to go and would come back within a week. I haven't seen them since. I pray for them and really hope they've left that cult or do come back. I'd love to show them more scripture. Great video brothers.
Very interesting point about the group's lack of an online presence. I had an encounter with two members on my university campus a few years ago. I asked if they had some website or a pamphlet so I could look at it on my own. They stonewalled very strongly and would not give me anything.
I found a website but it is vague and general but they do explain the mother god part.
Wdym? There’s a lot of online content, go check it out 😃 there’s a lot more detailed explanations about God the Mother , sabbath, and many other topics that you prolly want to understand better.
I have several family members in this WMSCOG. I sent your shorter video to them earlier today and they are really in this to the point of completely ignoring anything rational. I am getting bombarded with responses from them and It just blows me away that like you said you have heard from those who have left….they have no foundation but they make it sound convincing😢
My husband is currently involved in this church and I've pointed out things said in this video and they had answers "truths". Answers I can only get through bible studies and if I want more answers I absolutely need a Bible study to go with it. It's heartbreaking and so hard!
Even if you know the Bible well the group is so equipped with answers to prophesy it’s hard to argue with them
They always says they are true . They will try to remove anything unpleasure that comes to their ways
It’s been 3 years I came out from this church
Christmas church or Passover church. Choose a side
It’ll be so terrific if they had answers through CZcams VIDEOS, or magazines.
Amiga, they’re wanting to prove what their beliefs are WITH THE BIBLE, What else should we trust in? Google? A pastor? A Nun? We should just trust the Bible, that’s what God has left for us to find the truth. No?
Hello, I was a a current member of the church but through God almighty and my good friend, I was shown the falseness of this doctrine and church and these videos helped. But to answer the question of the guy with hat on, yes they did say he was baptized in 1948 at the age of thirty aligned with Jesus Christ and his preaching at the age of thirty. They used this a further evidence that he is the second coming Christ. And they are very convincing in all of this too I might add. My fellow brothers and sisters please be careful if you are approached by them, they are very persuasive and if you’re not careful you’ll buy into like I did. God bless you all!❤️
Had met some of these individuals at my own community college. I didn't realize how big this was getting at the time as this was back in 2013. They couldn't come up with enough of a logical theological basis to really sway me. They were pretty good at arguing points, but I was really well studied in the bible and what didnt sound biblical. I politely talked with them, but I left saying I did not see how they got that and walked away. That was the only time I ever saw anyone in that school talk about that.
About three years ago at Walmart, my wife was approached by a woman who invited her to a Bible study and began talking about "Mother God". At the time, I had never heard of WMSCOG, but now, today, it finally clicked. I bet the woman who was trying to convert my wife belonged to this cult.
Very hard to help people out of the dark when they love the darkness. So sad.
I live in Los Angeles county and two women from this cult came to my door on Saturday with their “Mother God” statement ready to show me passages to prove their point. Before they could get beyond Genesis 1:26,27 and a quick mention of the “bride” of God, the “trainer” of the two cut the encounter short and walked away. I mentioned this encounter at our Sunday morning Bible study and a young man, new to our church, shared his encounter in NY with this group. I hadn’t asked what group these women were with, so was happy that this man shared it with us. He also shared with me that I could find more on the cult on your CZcams, Mike. I have watched some of your videos before and was familiar with your channel. Thank you for what you do. God bless you.
Thanks a bunch for sharing this information!
I had an interaction with these people when I was in undergrad about 11 years ago. The lady came to me, on campus, asking whether I was willing to take a survey about what I think about spiritual things. Then they started engaging me in a conversation about mother God & other things. Then they pulled the book of Galatians on me & quoted the heavenly Jerusalem passage. At the time, I wasn't too verses in systematically examining passages and explaining verses based on their context. But I did know that they were absolutely wrong.
Therefore, I used what I knew, Ray Comfort's Way of the Master system. After putting the attempted preacher through that, then I asked her whether she thinks she'll be going to heaven or hell. Then she responded angrily, "according what you're implying, I guess hell..." Then the Korean lady with her, who was less versed in English, then pulled her away.". Afterwards, I then looked them up online, and found some blogs that explained some of their heresies. Also, a bunch of places where people were arguing with their member back & forth.
Then, I forgot about then until today! ☹️
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ILJCN (Colossians 3:17),
This is how you can tell Truth from error:
James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures:
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind.
Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached.
Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones?
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In 2013, first year of University, I was sitting on the lawn waiting for class when two girls approached talking about 'God the mother'. They quoted Genesis 1:26 to support their argument saying that when God said 'Let us...', the scripture refers to God the father and God the mother. Now, having been raised Christian, that was not my understanding of the scripture, but just to be sure, I immediately called my mother to confirm because I still haven't read the entire Bible. It was the first of many encounters with them and at some point, I even shared an apartment with one of the believers.
About 1948 is not only about the age 30, but they emphasize that’s the year Israel was “reestablished” and a large study in the Fig Tree. Also I have some random content I’ll be sending you that’ll give move inside information :)
I can’t thank you enough for all of your videos information and words of encouragement, much needed for me as I’m still extremely uneasy and working on my relationship with Jesus who I know pulled me away from this false group.
2017, I was a foundation student in a well known university in Malaysia, there's a group of women lurking around the university and target beautiful young women to join their "church". I don't remember all the details but their quite similar to the cult mention in this video, but I remember the leaders in Christian Fellowship in my university called them "Korean Cult" and warned everyone in the uni and notified the Student representative counsel (SRC) of this situation. The SRC effectively warned the students and those group ladies are no longer frequent to the uni. The very next move my leaders take is to plan a mini convention in the uni about Christianity for the following semester. Unfortunately, I was unable to continue study at that uni because of poor performance in my study hence I don't know if they successfully held the mini convention. I noticed these cultist usually aim at the area with less Muslim population but that's from my observation and hearing words from mouth from my friends. Praise the Lord, I graduated from my diploma at another uni.
I used to be apart of the cult thank the Lord I got out. I asked for forgiveness and I believe God has forgiven me. I feel as if I need to do something more because I feel like I betrayed God. That feeling hurts. What else can I do to make things right?
Satan always tries to steal our joy in Christ. God has saved you! Rejoice!
Now go love God with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself.
Even myself have the same feeling. I took baptism too.. I want to go for baptism again. That is okay??
@@hemu333 If baptism at WMSCOG was your first baptism. Then for peace of mind and conscience I think it will be helpful to you as an act of personal consecration. Let the LORD lead you with that decision. I am certain He lead you out of there as an act of love and that you are secure in Christ. May the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you forever. Blessings!!
@@tunzj01 Thanks a lot for reply. I am so happy that I heard I am secured in CHRIST right after my fasting prayer completion. This is second baptism. But when wmscog korean pastor mentioned Ahnsanghang name while giving baptism, I told JESUS name only. I didn't takeout his name.
I was.jusy approached the 1st time in the Merritt Island Mall in Merrite Island Florida....I didn't believe anything they were saying and kept asking questions they wouldn't answer but just kept going back to what they allready were saying....Im glad I looked into it and found your video so I know how to talk more with them if they approach me again