FINALLY! 4K60p HDMI cables that work with my Ninja V+ & ProRes RAW HQ
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2022
- In this video, I go over my findings after searching forever for cables that work with my Sony A1 + Atomos Ninja V+ when trying to recording ProRes in 4K 60p.
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ZILR 8K60p 45cm HDMI 2.1 - amzn.to/3vTF0kJ
ZILR 4K60p 100cm HDMI 2.0b - amzn.to/3LQNwGG
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If you ordered one for yourself and found it to work, please leave a comment below!
I bought the cable from your link
@@felipejulian I hope it works well for you!
Thanks for this very helpful video. I ordered the 8k cable in 45cm and 1m
Awesome! The 8K has been working SOLID for me. Glad this video was helpful for you.
hey Dan, I was looking all over the internet for a good cable and came across this video, I ordered it and I'm more than super happy with it, soooo affordable and works fantastic, its a long enough cable and super light weight. thank you!!!
Glad you can benefit from my experiments and failures. They're been rock solid for me so far!
I can also confirm the issues from the Kondor Blue cables, and that I've had ZERO issues with the ZILRs; I'm SO glad I found this video on CZcams... or did CZcams's algorithms 'find' me??? I own an A1, a Ninja V+, and both the 17.7" and 39" versions (straight cable)... thanks for this post!!
I own an A1 and looking for monitor recorder. Is Ninja V+ is fully compatible with A1. Can it support 8K 30p recording. Your experience will help me to decide.
@ramesh chand The Ninja is fully compatible with the A1... HOWEVER the Sony A1 will NOT output 8K to the Ninja!! It will output RAW, but at like 3.6K, as well as 4K 60P, etc. ... Please look at Gerald Undone's two excellent CZcams vids on the A1 and getting the best output out of it - Thanks!! (As far as Sony is concerned, SURELY they are protecting their Venice Cinema cameras, since the Venice II 8K version uses the SAME proprietary sensor as the A1! Cheers!!
@@ajalbetjr Thanks a tonne! I will watch suggested videos.
straight to the point, thanks appreciated
hope it helped you!
Thank you dude! Just got the ninja v+ and definitely don't have the right hdmi. Of all products who would have though an hdmi cable would be so difficult to shop for
i went through the same struggle. hoped this video helped you out!
Have the same problem on my ninja v+ with the xh2s... gonna try this cable soon
Appreciate the video ✌️
Appreciate the video!
You got it!
I use the same, ZILR it's realiable.
I use it with my Panasonic S5.. I record on 4k 10BIT... 60, 50, 25, 24... and also try a lot of 6k RAW, never cut the signal.
Amazing Cable, I'm going to buy the 1meter version with your link!
Thanks!
Amazing, appreciate the feedback for the community!
What one exactly did you try? I’m struggling
What cable exactly?
Thank you for this video!!!!!
you're so welcome!
Can confirm the Kondor Blue issues. I'm on my second coiled cable from them. Even though this one works, I'm always holding my breath when hooking everything up, and it definitely doesn't stretch enough for me to feel comfortable using it with the monitor on top of the camera. Again, it works, but it's not the most confidence-inducing experience. lol Had the same flickering issue with the first one on my a7S III and Shinobi.
Sorry to hear that. I hate that feeling! The hdmi 2.1 cable has been rock solid for me. I know kondor blue also has an hdmi 2.1 out in the wild. I just got mine thru Amazon but it took like a month for it to arrive. Best of luck!
You guys just save me some time and frustration. I was just about to hit the go button for the Kondor Blue
@@GamersPlayerUnion Right on!
Wow so sorry you encountered a faulty cable! We stand behind every product and can happily test and ship you a free replacement. Our 2.1 8K cables are also ideal for this and we have more options now. Thanks for the feedback and sharing your experiences!
The cables you recommend provide 10 bit color …. I’m concerned that may impact prores raw, since the camera output at raw is 16 bit and then converted by the Atomos to 12bit, so I guess the hdmi cable should handle 12 bit as a minimum, if you want to get prores raw with 12 bit color …. I’m not an expert so I might be wrong ….
I’ve been looking for a reliable long non-coiled cable, thanks!
Very helpful. Question: Do you use the Canon R3 or Sony a1 for your videos? I see the R3 is listed on your Kit site. I’ve been stuck on trying to decide which of these to get for video (they’re both great on the photography side). Just wondering about your thoughts if you’ve used both.
I've had a pre-order on the R3 for a super long time and eventually cancel in favor of the A1. Better lenses that are MUCH quieter as well (most noticeably the 50 f/1.2 offerings, the Canon RF lens is LOUD). I haven't regretted the decision at all. Thanks for pointing that out, I gotta update my kit list!
Would this cable work for the Lumix S5IIX for 4K 60 recording on a Ninja V?
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Considering you have a Sony A1 can you record 4k 120fps externally on the Atomos Ninja V+ ?
No, you can't which sucks. I wish I could avoid using the hyper expensive cfexpress cards but to get 120fps on the Ninja, you need to do it via SDI, which the A1 does not have. You would need something like an FX6.
I just ordered the ZILR 2.0b cable and got it today for my Ninja V for Pro of my A7SIII and it only works for 24FPS. 60FPS the flicker happens like you demonstrated above. Any other recommendations? Or should I go with the 2.1 cable even tho my camera doesn't output 8K or 4K120.
Sorry to hear that! I've been shooting mostly with my HDMI 2.1 8K cable and have encountered zero issues when doing 4K60P. I think it's safe to say that the 2.1 cable has a higher bandwidth than the 2.0b.
So why not just buy the atamos cable? It’s same price as 2.1 cable
@@MrLucrativethought it's known to suck believe it or not
Make sure you have a supported SSD, though that's no guarantee 🙄
I have the "no input" problem with the Atomos Shinobi 7 , while connecting Hdmi, I've tried many standard cables, but all lose signal.
I thought the problem is in the hdmi socket in the monitor.
I will try
Hope that solves your problem!
Well i just ordered 2 Atomos mini to full cables. At least i wont have to wonder but that is way too expensive. Hopefully they last
do u use a cage? if so, which brand?
for example, my atmos cable isnt compatible with tilta cage cable clamps.
Great video! I use a Shinobi and my false colors are inaccurate - they do not show red even when I severely overexpose an image. Could this be a cable issue? Thanks!
Hm, I don't think it's a cable issue, though you can't say for certain. Have you tried updating the firmware?
I figured it out, I had to apply a Color Space Transform LUT in camera and send it over the HDMI output to the monitor. Thanks!
Thanks for posting the solution here! I hope this helps someone else in your position!@@BenPhanStudios
Thanks Dan! Just got the a7R V and was searching on Google for this. You must be doing something right with the content & SEO ;) sub'd!
Hey there! Glad you found it helpful! I honestly just got tired of trying so many bad cables, I just thought this would be helpful for anyone who happened to stumble upon it. Stoked for you!
Hello, are atomos ninja v ninja ultra and shogun ultra monitors compatible with HDMI 2.1 cable? I want to use them for raw recording.
Sure, but if you're shooting Sony, no raw is supported. HDMI 2.1 cables can be backwards compatible with HDMI 2.0
Imagine my excitement when I found this video. Eureka! I have been having this input drop out issue since I purchased the Ninja V. I am trying to use it with my Sony HVR-V1U camcorder. I know it can be done becasue I've seen CZcams videos posted with the Ninja V and V1U setup. So, I ordered the cable you recommended. In fact, I was so excited I ordered two! I'm sure you can imagine my disappointment when the dropouts were just as bad with the new cables. I have over $1,000 into the Ninja along with 12 different sets of cables - all of which are no better than another regardless of whether they cost $5 or $35. I have a setup that won't do anything that I need. It wight as well be a boat anchor. Any thoughts?
Oh no! That really sucks, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not 100% sure how it works with the V since I have the V+. And since the V+ can do 8K, I don't know if they changed the HDMI spec from the V to handle a larger bandwidth. My suggestion might be to actually be to upgrade the Ninja? Any firmware updates that were missed? Are you sure the youtube example with the Sony cam was using the same codec/bitrate as you? Just some ideas off the top of my head. I know that Sony can just be really picky with recording media + bitrate combinations. Even my A1 won't record 4K120p unless I have the correct SD/CFexpress card inside it.
Thanks, Dan, for the response. I have the latest firmware update. I have also tried several other recommended cables with the same result, including the very expensive Blue Condor Gerald Undone Mk2 cable. That cable was worse than most of the other ones I purchased! I have tried every recording setting on the Ninja V with every cable and with or without the SSD card installed. The drop out issues are the same. Early this morning I reached out to the person who posted the video of their kids using the HVR-V1U and the Ninja V. I asked what HDMI he's using and what settings he has on both units. Hopefully, he has some advice. Defective unit?@@DiscoverwithDan
Thanks for the update. It could very well be defective or the information not accurate about it's compatibility with the Ninja V. I also have that blue Kondor Blue cable and thought the build quality was subpar. The Cable ends don't sit very well with the ports - mine were a little loose. I hope the compatibility issue gets figured out for you!@@jeffbone7100
Maybe its coil problem?
Thanks for the video!
May i ask why my V+ get No signal when i change my A1 HDMI output to 4320p ??? Please help.
I use brand new Verbatim 10k cables.
Glad you found it helpful! The V+ is only capable of 4K60p from the Sony A1. 8K is not supported. You have to record that to the internal CF card.
No luck 😢
I ordered the ZILR cable anyway, thanks again for the demonstration.
@@MrMotormok You got it! Those cables have been serving me well without a glitch since I've posted this video. I hope it does the same for you.
Hello. I am hoping you can assist me with an issue with my recently purchased NINJA V. I shoot with the PANA GH-6. I am also shooting PRO RES on both devices, When I download the NINJA files it shows as MOV. I have contacted ATOMOS and awaiting their response. Can you advise me what if anything I am doing wrong?
Yes, I believe ProRes = Apple = .mov. If you want .mp4, you have to shoot in another codec like h.264 or h.265
Shame they dont have a 5m one. I moved from Ninja V to Ninja V plus and having so much issue with trying to get a signal stable. Even with supposed 4k 60hz 18gbps
Yeah, it's a major PITA. Makes me wish for SDI.
I have an A7siii and I Just bought a Tilta Cage with HDMI extension cable, so doesn’t work? I don’t really understood this part . Tks a lot. I will buy the 2.1 ZILR cable any way
Hi Felipe, yes I tested the HDMI extension by Tilta. It did not work even with my new found cables and it's a weakpoint in the chain. I originally got it since I could secure it against the cage and prevent accidental disconnections, but sadly the cable seemed like it was not in spec - at least for the A1 and the higher bandwidth codecs/resolutions/framerates. I've since switched to Kondor Blues cage for better ergonomics. Please update us if you find a workaround!
@@DiscoverwithDan tks for the answer bro. Yeah, I'll teste when everything is arrived and let's see. I'll let you know the result. Tks a lot
@@felipejulian did it work?
You are limited to 4K with the micro hd cable. There is only an hdmi to hdmi 2.1 version but then you have to get an adapter, and will the adapter ruin the link?
My A1 has a full sized HDMI port. In my experience, any adaptor I've used (I've tried an L-shaped adapter to help relieve the strain), was a point of failure. I do not recommend adaptors (unless it's very specifically stated to work as an HDMI 2.1 or something) since they're usually bunk compared to a nice cable.
i used the evo gimbals cable and it was cutting out on my first shoot. very disappointing
Feels pretty bad to have your multi thousand dollar kit go bunk due to a $10 cable! Sorry to hear that.
@@DiscoverwithDan 60fps 4k was the culprit.
Can you do 4k 23.976 as well not the atomos
hm let me check on that and get back to you.
@disover with Dan I am unable to record 4k 120p on Ninja Atomos
with Sony A1
Yes, unfortunately, the only way to get 120fps is to record to the expensive cf cards internally :(
@@DiscoverwithDan Well then why does the NinjaV+ record 4K120?
Just because it can, doesn't mean that it's supported in combination the Sony A1. Sony might have HDMI limitations. Or for example, you can only record RAW with Canon cameras, not Sony. They probably having licensing agreements.
Yeah there’s something wrong with your camera ninja combination. I have the R6 and have no issues with the Kondor Blue
Precisely, the A1 can output 8K video over HDMI, while the R6 does not and therefore doesn't also require a high bandwidth, compatible cable.
@@DiscoverwithDan not a single time in the video you mentioned 8k …. You always talked about 4K 60p … for 8k you need a 2.1 HDMI cable the Kondor Blue is 2.0.
@@AcastroAX My mistake, it's been a while since I put out this video and I think KB also now has a 2.1 cable. I only mention the 2.1 since it would have the extra bandwidth required for some of the higher bitrate 4K HDMI outputs the A1 is capable of. It might just be a brand/Sony thing. Anyway, the point is that this video specifically address the A1 in combination with the Ninja Atmos. Don't have an R6 so I can't comment on their compatibility, but thanks for letting us know that it works for the R6.
How has the Kondor Blue cable held up for you? I have the R5 and use Atomos’ own cable for the Ninja V+ but after 4 months of using the cable, it drastically got worse with the connection 😩
@@sarahmarieee it still working great! It is probably the connection on the R5
What about the 6K? proRes?
I use a Sony A1, I've never shot in or tried 6K on it. Sorry!
What about 4K dci?
Can't say I shoot much in DCI, but from their website, the atomos supports it and the tiny bump in resolution shouldn't affect performance of the cable that much. can't say for sure though, I have to test for it.
What about 4K@120
Unfortunately the only way you can get 120fps on a Ninja V+ is via SDI cable, which the Sony A1 does not support. You would need something like a FX6
@@DiscoverwithDan I saw a 4K 120 cable that was the same as the 60 FPS cable.
@@cinematicknifeart9744 i bought the 8K cable (hdmi 2.1) because i knew it could handle the bandwidth of 4k60p. it's been working great for me so far! I also bought the normal 4k60p cable and that works. I would think the 120P cable would work as well.
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Kondor Blue is junk made in China but the very best is the ZILR I’ve been using for a very long time it is pricy but it does the job ! Kondor Blue thinks they are the top of the line they are only pricy for real junk I’ve placed last year my first order talking to Jeffrey thinking it is made in the USA and I’ve told him that it it turned to be junk from China so I stopped placing orders with them . But I highly recommend the ZILR CABLE
Thank you for the added recommendation! Yes, the ZILR stuff has way tighter tolerances, even in the HDMI port - very impressed by their quality. I'm just glad it works as advertised, which seems to be harder to find in products these days.