2014 Kia Forte shake, rattle and stall- Diagnosing stalling issue
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2019
- This 2014 Kia Forte has a 1.8l engine that has port injection and dual VVT. I checked the entire computer system for codes and found no codes. I also checked oil level and although is was dark reddish/brown in color the level was OK. During the first test drive I thought the engine was pinging (detonation) right before it stalled. I chased this lead for a while which included logging data during the event and checking fuel pressure. All looked good and no major problems were noticed. It wasn't until a second test drive with different data being logged that I noticed the noise and stall would happen right after the exhaust VVT was commanded by the ECM while at low engine speeds. After finding out what the issue is I needed to find out why and how. That is where the video takes place.
I have a hard time believing that I was able to double the oil pressure by changing the oil and filter but I will remember this in the future.
I'm glad about your video, my kia is doing the same thing! . thank you for sharing valuable information for the rest of the people and not get " swindled" when you go to the dealership for service
I'm glad you made a video on this one. It's something that could really drive someone nuts. Great job Chad, keep up the good work. 👍
Thanks Chris. I wasn’t sure if I wanted to or not but I figure if it saves someone else time and money then the video is worth making. Thanks for watching.
Hello👋
I just wanted to say THANK YOU For this video. I took my 2015 Forte to Kia 3 times for a rattling sound and stalling issues. They were never able to find anything after numerous times of me telling them that my vehicle was not safe to drive. They even said that the rattling was normal because the car was cold. I eventually brought it back home and bought the oil filter you mention on this video, did a motor flush and changed out the oil. My car is back to normal doesn’t rattle or stall anymore. 🙌🏻 thank you!
Becky Briones that is awesome!!!! Not awesome that they missed the issue but awesome that you were able to get it fixed. Thanks for the comment and hope you have a trouble free car now. 👍🏼
I’m going to try this because Kia can’t seem to find out why my 2014 Kia Forte is stalling just shutting off while driving ty
The dealership solution is either sell a boatload of parts, or deny that a problem exists and send you packing. I bet that they never even duplicated the problem; too many gravy jobs waiting.
Seriously, what a great diagnosis! I would have never guess that the oil filter helped with the oil pressure in the engine. I though it only did filtering and nothing more.
Same here. Just did mine today. Had same symptoms. Wow
Excellent on every front sir! It's a wonderful thing to click "Play" and get relevant, on-point, quick explanation no-nonsense content all the way through! I'm a better mechanic now because of You. Thanks!!!
Great work Chad. Love the use of the wps in this diagnosis.
I have started using it more and more for low pressure checking. The mechanical gauges don’t seem to have enough resolution below 20psi.
Thanks for watching Cody.
Thank you Chad. Great job. I appreciate your videos. Have a blessed and safe week.
Thanks for stopping by Billy. You have a safe and blessed week as well.
First one for me and I’ve been driving for 30 plus years. Car would shut off while driving, shaking and some type of noise. Replaced oil filter and oil and zero issues, smooth as can be. Unbelievable. Good video.
Absolutely awesome video . And through the eyes of the scope it made it even more impressive .
I tried the simple route with just a pressure gauge first but the scope gives so much more detail.
Thanks for stopping by Keith.
@@ThePracticalMechanic my 2018 Kia Forte LX is constantly stalling. I’m out of options.. I’ve had the car 7 month and it’s been at the dealer a total of 3 months all together, it’s there now. The dealer can not find the issue and I’m out of options. They replaced the fuel pump/fuel pressor sensor and that didn’t solve the problem
Great diagnosis Chad!!
Excellent video. Had same issues with daughters car. Dealership couldn’t find the problem but you did. Thanks again 😊
Just wanna say thanks again for this video. Spot on very knowledgeable and it fix my issue
This video was extremely helpful. I have the exact same symptoms with same vehicle. When I did my last oil change, I put a KIA dealer oil filter but put too much oil in the crank case. Being in extremely cold tempuratures right now, I'm trying to figure out a way to remove some oil without having to crawl under the car.
This is great my 2017 Kia Forte S has been stalling just like this with no codes on computer also was thinking would never find problem thank you
Very glad to find this video after checking dozens, thank you sir. I have a 2015 Sportage with 1.6 liter 136 HP GDI. It does not stall, but idles at 600 rpm and shakes too much. Rpm surges 1-2 times as I wait at the red lights, but it rides well. Dealer could not find anything, no codes nothing. Can it be the oil filter? UPDATE : I finally found the issue, the ignition coils were bad. They throw no codes, they were not totally broken, but it seems that they were not performing % 100. GDI engines are very sensitive for ignition, so if one of the coils go bad , you better replace them all. I hope this helps someone who has the same issue.
Great troubleshooting/diagnostics
Thanks Burt!! Someday you just never know what your going run up against. Have a great weekend.
Jeez, THANK YOU so much for this video. This has got to be my same problem. I owe you big for this!
Let me know if that takes care of your issue.
@ThePracticalMechanic It is looking good so far. I need to drive it around a little more, but I tried to low idle stall it and it wouldn't stall. I put "Engine Restore" in a week or so ago, and I think that loosened some gunk into my oil filter. Lesson learned on that.
Really appreciate this video
My daughter had the same problem…changed oil filter…it fixed the issue!
Very informative thank you very much.
You just repaired my car Thank you for making this video----Subscribed!
I just provided the information. Glad it was helpful and thanks for watching.
I just replaced the engine in my 2015 Forte. 98.000 km 1.8 DOHC.
Kia came good for it 👍
I have a 2014 Forte that dies at stops part time with no codes. I hadn't noticed it rattling but I did see the oil light flicker at idle in gear. I'll be checking the pressure & filter in the morning. Oil level was full. Thanks for sharing
Same thing is happening to me.
sorry for the delay. What was your results? Plugged filter? We are now stocking the kia/hyundai oil filters and recommending 3,000 mile intervals. We are seeing too many oiling issues.
@@ThePracticalMechanic I ended up changing the MAP sensor and the crankshaft sensor since both their codes showed up in the scanner and the car is perfect now
@@ThePracticalMechanic Oil pressure was 8-9 PSI at hot idle. After install a NAPA gold filter it was 20 PSI. No more stalling.
Hell yes good vid bro
This model was brought in earlier this week, it also had a p0326 code in the history, it passed the bearing clearance test but still rattles had us all scratching our heads. There's no stalling but I'll try this tomorrow and give an update.
What was the update
Nice video! I have the same issue but haven’t noticed a ping. Oil changes are done regularly at a kia dealer. Could this still be the issue? Running out of part idea to throw in it...
i have one that stalls and it has a rough idle as well and when i crank it up in in moring has rough start up and makes a noise like its coming from the back
Anyone have a problem with a sputter as soon as you turn the car off? Also, had an oil change in the last few weeks.
Thanks. Really.
My wife's 2014 Kia Forte was stalling with no warning. She played around with it last night, could not find any codes or anything. We took it out for a spin tonight and I noticed the pinging and then it died. EXACTLY the same issue. And, she needs an oil change. She is at about 5000 miles since the last change. Yikes! I hope it's not a bad engine! I just realized she commented yesterday!
Hopefully the oil change will fix it. Any oil filter at this point will be better than the dirty on you have but if you have a local Kia/Hyundai dealer try and get a factory oil filter installed. An alternative would be the “Full” brand oil filter that you should be able to get from a Napa/Carquest/Advanced auto store but they may have order it in. The good filter is still only $5-8 depending on purchase location. You may also want to consider switching to 3000 mile intervals once you know for sure no permanent damage has occurred. Good luck!!
How did it turn out?
It worked like a charm! Got the big filter from Napa, got one for my 2012 Kia too. I've never had it ping like that, but it's a standard so I generally have it revving higher at slow speeds. I think it works harder too, smaller engine.
How did you figure it out? I would never have equated the timing advance to a drop in oil pressure, and I'm an engineer. You sir, are brilliant!
Been trying to hunt down the cause of this issue on my kia. Looks like it worked. Thanks a ton
My 2014 kia forte just did this twice today for the first time... due for an oil change... will watch your video. No engine light, no codes
Since this video I have been expanding the amount of OEM filter I keep in stock. I don't want to be the cause of future issues. Hope the oil change helps you out.
I asked your husband as well but I was wondering if you were able to change the oil and if the car is running any better?
Awsome video bud. Having the same issues possibly. But can't duplicate the "knocking sound" indoors.
Has the costumer returned?
Worried about the infamous rod knock.
Frank
It took me a little while to duplicate the knocking indoors but if you can get it to act up while driving it might be worth at least slapping on a new cheap oil filter and see if the noise changes. A $4.00 oil filter is a cheap test. If you have a quality low pressure gauge you might see low oil pressure like I did. I could not pick it up on my 0-100psi analog gauge so I had to use the digital setup.
The customer has not had any issues since and we just worked on their other vehicle last week so I’m they would have mentioned it. I think they got lucky and brought it in to the shop early enough to avoid major damage. One of my lube techs brought a napa filter over to me yesterday and let me know they changed manufacturers. They were using wix/affinia and now they are Mann/Hummel the filter is heavier and looks more like a factory filter. I hope this change in brands means better quality and a closer match to factory specs and operation.
@@ThePracticalMechanic your the man ! Thanks for the update. Car has a napa filter on from last year. Just got a kia filter with catch valve . Hopefully will see an improvement. Thanks again!
What grade of oil should I use
Yay!!! I found out my problem. Thanks!!!!
OEM filters and synthetic oil only on my 16' forte 1.8l since day 1, only time I got shaking was when I didn't get top tier gas for 2 gas fill ups. Currently at 130k miles, never cheap out on auto parts. Only code I've ever got was for a bad gas cap
You used premium gas only? How is the car now? Any issues?
Curious to know what that ticking noise is. I've read on a few forums that these engines start to tick usually around 50xxxkm. Is it that the valves need to be lapped?
Can confirm, my forte started ticking around 50k, still does at 130000km. Still no engine problems, though.
Those engine do not have adjustable valves. They have solid lifters
Oh dear I got one of these coming in the shop tomorrow at noon 15 forte.
Customer States the car is hesitating between 1st and 2nd.
He has no codes at all!!
I was going to start with changing plugs and coil packs🤷♂️
Then I was going to move into cleaning the fuel injectors.
I'm glad I watched this video sounds like Kia makes a real s*** engine
What did you come up with? Hopefully some easy stuff like a tune up and oil change.
It ended up being the customers father took the car for Christmas and had a remote start put on.
They ran a wire through the firewall and into the first coil pack. There is two wires a blue and a red. they damaged the 2 wires and they were intermittently arcing.
I also changed all four plugs and coil packs .. car runs great.
his factory radio was not working the dealer told him it was burnt out.
Replaced the fuse.. still working great today.
@@larsbambi1575 we see lots of issues with remote starts and radio install causing battery drains but luckily not poor running.
This year and model of car has an active service bulletin for the original engine. These engines will catastrophically fail. There is an issue with oil delivery which leads to rod bearing failure. My car engine failed in this manner and left me stranded on a dangerous and narrow canyon road. The warranty is extended to 150k miles for these engines.
Hello
I have bought recently Kia Rio 2014 1.4L petrol Car and facing a serious issue with it.
The car run perfectly but the fuel consumption is very high.
When I turn on the Air conditioner the car starts stalling at low speed.
The car is not showing any Warning on the dashboard.
I have changed the Crankshaft positioning sensor, camshaft positioning sensor, serviced the nozzles, changed spark plugs, checked the engine timing and everything is OK.
Would really appreciate if you can help
There are so many things that could cause poor fuel mileage. It might be time for a second set of eyes to give it a shot. Without seeing the cars data while driving under different load conditions and testing individual components your just going to be guessing.
please help me my 2012 kia forte keeps jerking when driving --I have 83455 miles on it --will new spark plug and coils fix this??? THANK YOU
My forte doing this recently, did you figure out a fix for yours?
Good analysis! But the key output is trivial - do maintenance regularly with a proper parts.
My 2015 kia forte stalls when I'm at stop lights or turning really slow and then it starts right back up and drives fine. No mechanic can seem to tell me why. Check engine light has came on but it reports emissions issue. Can't tell me why it's stalling.
See @ 6 min mark, wrong oil filter installed
Same here oh my god its infuriating
So which filter should I get for the best results? Napa, Mann, or ?
PJfrostbite after seeing many Napa filters have this issue I would stay away from those. Mann and Full should be decent filters and both can be purchased through most Napa stores in the altrom line. If you can get them that way just swing by the dealership and pick up a couple, they are inexpensive.
Thank You! My other halfs forte is doing the same thing. Probably just swap out the oil filter then and see if it stops. Mann and full
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As a tech, I am seeing so many issues these days related to extended oil life intervals. Guaranteed its what happened to this vehicle. Its the biggest scam going and nobody is being held accountable for this mis-information.
I'm thinking about buying a 2013 Kia Forte with 110,000 miles on it. When I went to test drive it, it seemed like it was rattling hard and almost going to stall out a few times when coming to a stop. Never accelerating though. Any ideas?
It is possible that it has the same issue. It might be worth it to have the oil changed even if you don’t purchase the car just to find out. If the noise is still there it may have more issues. The $40 oil change may save you thousands of repairs expenses.
@@ThePracticalMechanic thank you for your feedback. The owner mentioned that it had done that for the last 6 months and I saw that he had a recent oil change so I am NOT buying that car. Do you know what Kia model years do not have this engine problem?
I’m not really sure since I only have a few customers with Kia vehicles. I’ve seen this problem on other newer vehicles as well but with less of an affect. I think a similar model would still be fine if the owner has maintenance records showing regular oil changes. 3000-5000 mile intervals is normal although I prefer using a factory oil filter and 3000 mile oil change intervals for extra protection on newer vehicles.
I recently bought a 2014 Kia forte with 101,523 miles on it I was at a stop light and the car turned off on me which I don't understand it's basically a new car with a good engine it seems to be
My gfs car does this. And even after i do the oil change it used to fix it but now it's still raddling. How do you fix this issue not just doing an oil change
You may have an engine that is worn out. The oil filters plug up with small metal shavings and hard oil deposits. Driving for long periods with a restricted oil filter causes accelerated wear and more particles. Changing the oil filter cannot restore the worn components back to new condition. It might be time for internal engine work or a new engine.
I bought a used '14 Kia forte, 58,000 and change on the odometer. Same issues going on. But im also experiencing voltage loss somewhere. It's steady jumping at 12.5 to 12.8-9ish and surges to 13.1ish. New fuel pump, new alternator, new spark plugs, new oil in it with filter. Ran a relay from fuse box to positive battery terminal because people have fixed the issues im experiencing. Flickering interior lights, flickering headlights, low idle that surges, i have the 1500 rpm range stall attempt as well. It just jumps rpms around though.... doesn't stall anymore. Do you think this could really be all because of low oil pressure? Seems far fetched
The flickering and voltage issue won’t be related but if you haven’t changed you oil recently you may want to change the filter and top up the oil. Less than $10 to find out if that’s your problem.
Just swapped filters today.... did not notice any major change.
I have a 2014 forte, am having engine issues and oil consumption. No codes are showing but there’s definitely something wrong. I got regular oil changes because I have a warranty and the warranty is invalid, if you don’t. Multiple times I came in and there was no oil, yet I was 1000-2000 before an oil change was due. There’s a few lawsuits about this, so I am trying to find others.
@@lauranelson9994 do you have the EX? GDI?
@@ThePracticalMechanic it ended up being i bought two faulty alternators in a row, also a bad ignition coil.
what kind of flush you use?
We use the BG EPR flush I believe is part number 109 and then we use the BG MOA in the new oil part number 115.
I have changed the oil and filter but still have the sound, what is the problem
Maybe you put on a filter that's too small? See @6min mark
@@rancidpunxcrypto1547 no the new filter is the same as the original one
Your last oil change was done at a Kia Dealership?
@@rancidpunxcrypto1547 no
Wherever you got your last oil change done prob also put the wrong one on. I'd go to a Kia Dealership, get an oil change done, they'll put the right size one on, it's prob bigger than the one you got on now.
i have that issue in my 1.6 turbo
so the problem is the oil pressure ? my car which is a 2013 kia forte has the same damn problem we thought it was the fuel pump so we changed the pump out and its still stalling a second after getting it to turn over i done lost all hope for this car where should i take it
Wrong oil filter, see @ 6 min mark
Did you fix your kia. What was the fix?
Anyone know why my KIA Forte 2015 has the fuel injector under the intake manifold instead of on top like I see most on here?
It’s possible that yours has direct injection. Look for a GDI badge on the car somewhere or on the engine cover or on the emission label under the hood.
Thanks, I thought all KIAs 2015 are GDI engine..but I guess not
My wife’s 2016 Forte is doing the same thing.
What did you come up with? Did an oil change fix it or is it too late?
@@ThePracticalMechanic It solved the problem just like you did on your video.
@@timbuktug3321 great news.
@@ThePracticalMechanic yes sir
It disappoints me that people will spend more than $20K on an automobile, then neglect the single most important maintenance item; regular oil changes. "Pay me now or pay me later!"
Absolutely Pauly D. Even at $50 per oil change they would have saved money.
and Kia dealers are crap.