DO NOT BUY - Rogue Adjustable Jammer Arms
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- Today's video I talk about the least used piece of equipment in my gym and why you may not want to buy these either.
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Always interesting seeing different opinions on lever arms. Personally, I find them to be one of the most versatile and useful pieces I own for my training style (bodybuilding as opposed to powerlifting).
The biggest complaint I always see is adjustment time. For me, that has never been an issue. Determining variations that work and specific "settings" does take a considerable amount of time, but once I find something I like I note the specific holes/settings/ect and it takes less than 30 seconds per arm to adjust.
IMO one of the biggest cons to them is that, by themselves, they aren't very useful. The resistance patterns are extremely poor, and useful movements are highly limited. To be able to fully utilize them I find you need a number of additional attachments and accessories.
Hope you don't mind me using your videos :)
@@BasementBrandon ha, not at all! Happy to have helped 😆
@@DylanKJohnson Can you plz elaborate on the extra attachments and accessories?
Another quality "down-to-earth" video, thanks for sharing. It's easy for many people to get sucked into "new equipment" rather than focusing on consistent time moving weight with what we already have access to thus increasing our strength and gpp.
Now go kill-it at your meet!!
Let me waste money so you don't have to lol
@@BasementBrandon Hmmm, if you are part product tester, then can it really be called wasting money? Whatever it's called all I know is better you than me. 🙃😉
Hot take, but a good one. I have found myself using the short arms inside the rack a bit, but they're still definitely low on the priority list IMO.
For someone who's so into fitness, I'm so lazy. Convenience is king!
I’m new to the home gym scene… like everyone I spent a large part of my life in gyms and being used to having access to a ton of accessory machines. I bought the Rogue 50 cal 2.0 in hopes of mimicking all the Hammer Strength chest and back plate loaded machines. It does a few things ok like chest presses and shoulder presses at various angles. It saves a lot of future time if you document the bench and arm settings when you find a configuration that works. For back pulls and what not they are virtually worthless unless you use spotter arms to move the weight and have an extra 20mins to deal with setup. I think being inside the rack and having flip down safeties to rest the arms on makes them a lot more versatile than outside the rack unless you plan on doing explosive movements where the longer arms would work better. I think most home gym owners buy them for accessories, if that is the case they are much better inside with flip down safeties. With that said I still don’t think they are worth the money. If I had a redo I would not buy them and spent that money on some specialty bars.
Again thanks for all your help!
Thanks for the detailed feedback!
Totally agree. I bought these and only use them as a monolift-ish function while benching. They’re such a pain to set up for any movements
I tried to do that but didn't like how they swung independently. I thought about mounting a brace to keep them in line but was just more work.
This is what I mostly want them for--roller monolift. But now someone is making that, and I have a T3 rack, but the arms Titan sells are 2x2, so putting on spotter arms or j-cups won't really work. I think I'd probably rig up a hammy curl or knee extension to do as an accessory once or twice a week if I had them.
Dude, I made the mistake in getting the longer set versus the shorter set. It’s a pain to get them ready for a workout and the added length makes them that much more annoying if anything else. For a while I was using them religiously with tons of leg press setups/movements, bench variations, and so forth. The hand grip is also a terrible design and hate the non-standard weight horn diameter. After dropping about $1k on them, the design should have been better. I will however start using them as a belt squat now that I got the belt for it
@@calderonmike …..I bought the longer ones as well. I ended up taking a band saw to mine to shorten them to the length I wanted.
@@calderonmike i honestly wish i'd bought the long arms, short arms i find are even more limited to use. Longer arms, i'd use for rows, and deadlift variations for sure
For a while I've been grateful that Rep rarely had theirs in stock, which saved me from another regrettable purchase. As you've stated, lots of promise, but also lots of work to utilize.
Well said!
LOL, regrettable purchase--story of my materialism life!
I just ordered my rep iso arms on Monday 🤣🤣😫..... I do hope I use them a few times a week
@@samsnetsdynasty5496 If anything, they allow you to have to sets of J-Cups back to back, at the exact same heigh, which is nice.
@@twistedbarbell3950 I honestly got them to do different hammerstrength exercises, but it's a very versatile piece of equipment.
Well I’m sold, I’ll take 3 pairs
Just sell a pair of shorts and you'll still have some left over for a drink spotter.
Years later you still respond to all comments. Love you bro.
Least I can do!
Got the shorty's facing INSIDE on my 43" rack and really enjoy it!!! Incline, decline, shoulder press, shrugs, farmer walk, bent over rows, etc... longer ones seemed kinda limited to me... glad I got the shorty's
For me I just look at it as a barbell serves the same purpose mostly and is easier/preferable!
@@BasementBrandon That's fair, think its more of a variety use more than anything. I use mine inside my rack and enjoy them.
Sameee. Use them all the time. Weighted push ups, planks, belt squat, leg press, seal rows on Incline bench all day long. Love em
I actually use mine for many things I never expected to, it can take some thinking ahead to keep the set up time down but I like to lower mine and use it for hip abduction, glute kick backs, leg extensions. I also use them for pressing and pulling. I lined it up with a cable machine attached to my rack so I can hook them up to that and get a much more even level of resistance throughout the movement. I really don’t think it’s that much more or less set up than a barbell movement. The mutant metals handles and leg rollers do make them a lot more functional though.
It probably hurts its case in my set up where I have some dedicated machines others may not. But I agree it can do a ton of stuff, just not as well.
@@BasementBrandon makes sense to me, I’d love to have dedicated machines for that stuff but it’s just not feasible for my small basement gym.
Couldn’t agree more. Complete pain to set-up and have only found a few movements that actually work for me. Great review!
Thanks Shane
Solid review, B! I really like how thorough and thoughtful all of your reviews are.
Haha I'm glad to hear b/c I put little to no effort in!
@@BasementBrandon 🤣🤣🤣 Well, it doesn't show.
As someone who bodybuilds the jammer arms fit me perfect
I can do leg press belt squats machine rows and press
Are they a pain in the butt and get in the way yes but the options given for the size taken is worth it
Depends on training style
agreed
Agreed I class myself as a bodybuilder/powerlifter but find I use my Jammer arms a lot more for similar movements like you mention i.e belt squats, rows shoulder press, unilateral leg press etc. I also don't have as much space in my garage to have multiple machines so this helps to fill in a lot of gaps.
Setup is a pain in the ass but try to do during rest periods
@@274halo Normal Jammer Arms are way worse to set up b/c you always have to unscrew/pull out/adjust them. I just switched to the Rogue ones and love them.
Thank you for the honest review. I'm sure you've saved a lot of people $$. As you've mentioned, I don't imagine people using this type of attachment for their primary lifts, and so by the time you've transitioned to doing your accessory workout using this, you've already cooled down and potentially risk injury!
It's one of those things that it's love/hate for some. So just hard to justify based off the price.
Thanks for this review! I was contemplating adding these thinking I could do some accessory work and maybe a car deadlift setup, but will save the money instead.
You def can, for me the inconvenience of using them outweighs the benefits for how I train.
@@BasementBrandon Inconvenience makes them not worth the money. Anything that takes too long to set up and gets in the way won't be used enough to make it worth it. Maybe if they were pretty cheap...
To be honest this video made me want to use my iso arms even more after seeing how they can be set up for a low row :) Offsetting and being able to change the weight distribution according to my needs with those safety spotter arms is just a ridiculously good idea in my opinion (higher resistance at the bottom of the movement and lower at the top where the muscle is at its weakest point). This is kind of how all those Atlantis machines work. They have 2 loadable weight pins and you can change the weight distribution just by messing with the amount of weights you put on each of those. Thank you for the great content, as always.
Haha right on!
i was in the market for a new hexbar but i see that i can do shoulder shrugs with the iso arms as well as other workouts
When I bought my lever arms I wasn't impressed. So hoping to improve upon them, I fabricated my own articulating handles for them and for added versatility, the handles spin inside the shackles too. In doing so, I thought it would change everything about how I train. Lol! They're now just collecting dust in the corner.
Haha damn, at least you tried, I gave up way before trying to fix em!
I appreciate you taking the time to post the video. After watching it and reading all the comments I decided to buy a pair of used Titan T-3 Lever Arms for $175. I figure if I end up not using them I can always resell them for the what I paid.
Yeah at that amount, it's not a bad investment to see if you like it.
I have the rep version. Its a pain to move within the rack, but from a workout perspective, they are great. So versatile!
Glad you dig em!
great honest review!!! thank you
I'm sure it's not really helpful to most, but hopefully it saves some people some money!
I 100% agree. I am selling mine. I got the long arms and wanted to switch to the shorter version- I have version 1.0 which Rogue no longer makes. 2.0 arms are not backwards compatible, so I have decided to just wash my hands of whole thing. I got them originally for other family members to use, to make working out more fun, but the arms are so heavy to move up and down they never get used.
I think the long ones would make sense on the 100 or 108 inch racks, but too much for a 90 inch one.
💯% agree! Best of luck this weekend.
Thanks Scott!
“Hard to get it up and down which I have problems with outside of the gym as well” lmao
;)
One thing to mention is if you load those handles up a lot make sure you have weight on the rear of the rack..... I almost learned this the hard way.
Haha good point
Yeah I feel you man. I got a cheaper (less adjustable) alternative so I don't regret it that much but I'd be kicking myself if I spent what the Rogue ones go for.
There's one exercise on them that I still do and would recommend though: Bulgarian split squats. Since you're tethered to your rack you don't have to worry about balance as much so you can really focus on the movement and even go heavier. I'm a lot less winded after doing them compared to free weights as well.
Right on, hadn't tried that one.
You can also do them with a landmine and save the money
Thanks Brandon for this video...I was debating to get these or not...you made me save a wide amount of cash!
I just think for most people they're going to run into the same issues I did!
Man, it’s a shame I still don’t know if I should buy a transformer bar yet.
:)
I have jammer arms and used them mostly for my shoulder recovery. What are those small upright attachments on either side of the inside of your rack?? Great video, keep it up!
They are to offset j cups so someone can take a wide grip on squats or bench.
@@BasementBrandon Ah I see awesome
Hey Brandon, I like the wall clock you have. Would you mind sharing where you found it?
Just put it in the description.
The bar holder in the background looks awesome.
It is!
They can be a bit cumbersome. To make things a little easier I use a set of 1 inch dumbbell handles rather than the handles that come with it. Much easier to take off and get out of the way. Also makes it a lot lighter when moving them up and down the rack.
Thanks for the info!
I do agree that for most home gyms where most people tend to power lift they are not ideal. However, I think they have a ton of value when it comes to athletic sports performance training with fast explosive movements.which is why you see them in many collegiate are professional strength and conditioning facilities. one home use i do like is the belt squat with the Sorinex attachment. love you page .
Could very well be the case!
Great video! I probably would've bought these if I didn't already have the Powertec Levergym. Glad I didn't. Great to see an honest review!
I try to save people money every now and then (not often lol)
@@BasementBrandon 😆😆😆
Awesome review mate. I have a verve set in Australia which mimic the rep ones. When I got them I thought I was going to become a king of lever arm movements. Target every angle and have a thousand exercises I do with it. But alas.. just lock them up and use them for chins where u can fully hang off the ground and sometimes for bench with the poor man’s monolift.. I believe I have fallen into the category to have them just to say I have them..
Happens to the best of us!
I have always been curious about these but never tempted. They are versatile, but I do not feel like I would overly enjoy any movement I used them for.
Yeah I think in a limited set up they might be able to show some versatility more as you can do anything with them. I'm just too lazy and they're not as appealing to motivate me.
Appreciate the honesty.
Trying to save people money for once lol
Yep!! Got titan lever arms and tried to use them for the first couple months and now just hand there.
We all got Got!
Any lever arm movement can be replicated with either dumbbells or cables. Lever arms are also limited in motion unless you get additional add ons like the side to side Kaizen pin. For the price lever arms aren't worth it. The only ones which I would consider are the Griffin adjustable lever arms that have full unrestricted articulating movement and locking mechanism at a relatively affordable price ($900 vs $1600 for Rogue).
Cables maybe but I don't think you can do the same with DBs with some of this stuff b/c of the fixed plane of motion. But do agree, not a good investment regardless for most.
@@BasementBrandon certainly a perfect replication isn't possible with dumbbells for all fixed plane of motion exercises. I actually found a fairly good way around that, at an affordable price, with extra functionality. If you get a TRX setup and anchor it to your rack, you can perfectly replicate any fixed plane of motion exercises using dumbbells, and it is much faster to load. If you ever get the opportunity you should try this with an exercise like an incline chest press and share your thoughts with the rest of the home gym community.
I should have just bought yours instead of new ones from Rogue haha
My heart sunk when I started watching this cos I had massive buyers remorse for something I’ve lusted after for so long, but I think youve touched on an important point is that people like to get creative with them and that’s something I enjoy doing, plus in a tiny space that I have, I can hopefully get creative and mimic some machines and movements that I don’t have access to otherwise. Either way, it’s only money 😂. Now I’m determined to use them a heap so my mrs doesn’t give me shit haha. I also think Rogue have dropped the ball a fair bit as they had huge plans for attachments for these originally and almost none have come to fruition.
If you dream it, you can do it.
I love these things for Shrugs to failure, Side Chest Press. Use the connecting seat and do leg press and Modified Verticle leg press, bulgarian split squat "And I feel much safer then with dumbells "Yes I am a balance impared." I think if your willing to find use cases you will with not a lot of crazy modifications. Can you do all these things with out this? Most but some will be expensive such as a leg press or vertical press. And side chess press. Are they expensive? Hell yes but If you are already purchasing Rogue monster racks your in the income range for these. Especially used. PS love your content Brandon! thanks for all the great reviews and Ideas!
Yeah I agree, if you can put the time in and don't mind, they can be super useful! I'm just too lazy I guess.
WUT are those attachments on the rack uprights? The short upright stubs set inside the rack uprights? :)
Let you off set cups for a wider grip. I'll do a video on them soon.
Does the new vendetta strength bracket allowing it to lock at different angles change your mind about them at all?
No but at least now I can put them up and out of the way easier 😝
I've had these bad boys in my cart for months waiting for this review. I haven't been able to make myself pull the trigger and I keep thinking they're gonna be coming out with something that allows for some lateral articulation, possibly at a price point that would include free shipping. I would anticipate a nastygram and/or court summons from Matt Pendergraph. Every time I think I might not use these, I watch some of his videos and feel like I should probably have them on every upright.
He does come up with some wild stuff!
I assumed when these things first came out that people would regret buying them. Simplicity in setting up, using, storing, etc is always king.
I kind of thought the same about belt squats but people seem to enjoy those
@@BasementBrandon true...but do they really? maybe they just paid so much money they either feel obligated to make it work or embarrassed to admit they were wrong? Idk. Never seen one in person so cant really tell
setup is very important even change the bar during the training seems annoying let alone Jammer Arms set up
agreed
I use mine almost more than anything else in my gym, I love them! But as you said it doesn’t fit your workout scheme, it fits perfectly with my regimen. Main thing I don’t like about them is the price but hey it is what it is.
Right on!
If you have the inclination Brandon, would you mind doing a review on the Stray Dog GOAT? Seems like a more versatile alternative to the sorinex bulldog pad but would like to hear your opinion.
Never say never!
What are the attachments you have on your middle post? And what are they for?
They are to offset j-cups if you want to take a wide grip on the bar. I'll do a video soon.
@ 8mi and 39 sec part of this video... what is that white attachment that bumps out in the inside of the rack?
They are detailed here: czcams.com/video/NiwrECzi6cw/video.html
I wish you would have made this a year ago. Mine have been just sitting there since I got them
I always tell people when they ask!
Are you still planning to get a rhino ??
I was thinking about it but when you changed your mind before, I decided to wait.
You think the rhino is better then the squatmaxMD?
So from what I've heard, the majority of people who have done both think the squatmax feels better. However, I see the Rhino as being more versatile potentially. Currently neither in my plans due to footprint /cost and the fact I think I can get by with other barbell movements
I-bolts run through the lowest hole? Have a chain hanging down from the rafters to keep them suspended when not in use. Maybe??
Prob could get something set up, but again, another annoyance.
Thanks for the review; I like to see a "negative" but a well-explained opinion about this equipment. A question, in your rack, you have four handles in the front support, two with the "R" logo and two with a 90° elbow; where can I find the 90° handles? I don't find it in the Rogue catalogue.
They are the "Campbell" handles from Oak Club. I have a video on them.
@@BasementBrandon thanks for the answer, I'll watch the video
Can these mount without the need to use side safety pin on 4 way post frames?
I'm not sure I understand the question.
Hey Brandon is your opinion still the same with the Vendetta trolley?
Yep, but it makes them easier to get out of the way :)
I bought a used set that might be an even older version than yours, and have all your same criticisms. They're in the way and I never use them other than as an overly expensive and less functional monolift. Somehow I feel like the handles are too far apart to enjoy using it for something like chest supported rows, and trying to incline press with it borders on painful.
Appreciate the first hand feedback!
What do u think about the arms now that vendetta adapters came out?
Still don't find myself using them.
In the 3 years that I've owned my jammer arms, I've also only used them a few times. I keep telling people that they aren't worth it unless you have a very specific purpose for them.
Preach!
I cheaped out on some Titans for my 390f. I only use them for 1 lift/week to easy my rotator cuffs back to the land of the living. I also have ragerts
The bolt on or adjustable? I think they use the same style as REP IIRC
@@BasementBrandon adjustible, they are OK...
I agree with you 100% even though I'm part of the group that uses mine all the time. My brother lifts with me occasionally and is not a fan and I typically don't recommend them to anybody who trains power-lifting, crossfit, strong man, etc. The only utility I see in them is using them as they are intended "jammer arms" for training athletes, or the way I and others use them to mimic machines in small spaces. Like you said that takes extra parts, creativity, set-up time, once you have that dialed in it's not as bad but like you said even then it's not super convenient. I'm happy with the utility for price paid, I feel like I can do a lot with mine for a thousand bucks and because of that I'm ok with getting 80% of the utility or whatever compared to the machine I'm mimicking. But if I had unlimited space/money getting the machines would be better obviously. I do find a use for mine probably 3-4 days a week for over a year now, I've gotten my money's worth easily, and before I grabbed the Mutant Metals Monos I was using them as "monos" for benching as well.
It's funny b/c out of all the uses I think their actual intended one is the one we see the least lol
@@BasementBrandon I know right!.. And not surprisingly they work really well for their intended use, but those type of movements are the type you get people laughing at you in the Home Gym FB Group because it's not a typical gym-bro movement lol. I never use mine for that either, but have in the past just occasionally for "fun". I can definitely see the utility in that.
How u doing g brotha?brother?? Its been a while. Hey do u still recomend the functional trainner over the leverage arms? I sold my prx rack and Valor lat pull down machine and some other equipment so iam looking for stuff to buy...I was looking at the rhino belt squat plus rack and it looks like I can do tons of exercises with it besides belt squats I can even add a slinger to do lat pull downs too. Anyways even thinking everyday what to buy..ether the rhino belt squat plus rack or rep fitness with ares or one of thoes all in one functio al trainners like brute force and it comes with leverage arms, weight stack, smith machine, cable system. etc...etc..they are all close to same price about $4000.
I know it's my decision but if you were in my shoes what would you prefer. I habe 2 lower buldging disk in my lower back so belt squats will be cool I guess. I know rep has a belt squat attachment too. Anyways iam looking for the one that is more versatile
So it really depends on what you're trying to do. I don't think the lever arms make sense for hardly anyone. A functional trainer would be good for those looking to do a lot of cable accessories but the caveat is they're usually expensive, you can't go heavy on them, and they take up a lot of space. For my style of training, I think a lat pull down/low row would be most ideal.
I think your video's title should have been, "Do not buy - if you dont have patience or an imagination". I just took some time to experiment with angles and found numerous movements that rival my commercial gyms equipment. I wrote down all the configurations and now it takes a few seconds to move to the next exercise.
I still don't think people should buy them even if they have patience and/or an imagination though :)
@@BasementBrandon I think if someone showed you how to configure the arms with flip down safeties you might change your mind. I've been able to do every angle of pressing and rowing, deadlifts, shrugs, calf raise, vertical leg press, front/side/rear raises, biceps curls, triceps extensions. I'm sure i've missed a couple but i think you get the point. I've been able to replace most machines from a typical commercial gym by just configuring my bench/safeties/trolley arms in different ways.
@@dustinhamilton see I don’t think so. I’m well aware of what they can do. I’d rather use a barbell.
@@BasementBrandon take this into consideration. I stopped barbell pressing due to shoulder issues for a few months and replaced it with the trolley arms. When went back to the barbell, my 3 rep max went up 35lbs. I know barbell is king in a lot of peoples minds but i truly believe the trolley arms can have a very useful role in any gym.
Brandon do you know what happened to the Titan Nemesis?
My guess is either just out of stock or newer version coming
Seems like a great option for us garage/home gym users that are not super locked in to powerlifting.
Could def be!
with such a small basement I've been looking at these for some time and think the hustle would be worth it to do certain exercises, Ill take them off your hands for you.
lol
I like using mine weekly for chest press and chest supported rows, but for most people I agree, not worth it, especially if they train like you. Next time I feel Pendergraphy I have some ideas for a belt squat for it.
Haha I'm just a lazy lifter I suppose!
I considered getting these at some point, but I figured out i'd probably only use them for some sort of chest supported row and that wouldn't be worth it. For bodybuilding there may be more uses, but for my powerlifting programming they aren't needed at all.
Def think these would be better suited for BB!
@@BasementBrandon suppose the new ones can be used as a viking press for strongman aswell.
Another honest review and thoughts
Cant be a shill for everything ;)
hey Brandon, just been thinking about something for a while and wanted to get your input on it. I'm really not sure and kind of afraid to ask though. The answer has been eluding me for years. Based on your experience and all the custom equipment you have, does the bar lie? I am just so unsure. Thanks in advance and Regards, Morgan.
The bar does not lie, however it is not to be trusted.
@@BasementBrandon There are two twin barbells, one of them always lies and the other always tells the truth. you are allowed to ask a single question to figure out which barbell don't lie. What question should you ask?
@@Morgan_ If I were to ask the other bar which bar lies, what would it say?
@@BasementBrandon The second barbell would say that the first barbell is the liar! PS: I'm going to believe from now on you got the slogan from Labryinth czcams.com/video/tLhKLfEyDQ0/video.html
TBH it's one of my favorite movies. RIP Goblin King
I wish I would have know this before I bought mine…I agree, I rarely use them. Maybe once a month. For the price this is something that should be used regularly. Now I just have to decide whether to sell them or not. They are my dedicated J-Cup holder. Have you thought about selling yours?
I think they're unique enough (and were expensive enough) where I'll just end up keeping them.
Comes down to lifting style. I have the REP version and I use them all the time.
Yeah I think if you're short on space or like BB they might make more sense.
@@BasementBrandon yup. Both of those. Hit the nail on the head. Im short on space and do a lot of BB specific movements.
I too agree - of all the crap I've bought, I was so excited to get them, but barley ever use them. Set up takes long, they're big and get in the way, and for many of my intended movements the movement or grip isn't natural to me. They're built great, the mechanism works well, the concept seemed great but they were a disappointment in reality.
Seems to be a theme!
I totatly agree also, i have the new versions and both handle types ($2K for all tha junk) It is so heavy and akward and slow to move around. you have to be creative in its use or just use it for deadlifts, rows, push lifts or its a pain. its tough to find the right angles and handle locations to use for bench press\incline lifts and never quite the right range of motion. I want to love it but its just takes to damn long to setup to use. so much easier to grab the dumbell, barbel, trap bar, and just get your accesorie work out of the way. I do think it is good for athletic explosive lifts and provides a lot of saftey. I do like the triggers to adjust and the locks under the trigger on the new version and the lock to hold them in place from swinging. the only way I recomed it is if you have a dedicated rack to use it because removing all your accesories to move it up and down is even a bigger pain in the ass.
I appreciate the detailed feedback. I feel like a person has to make a concerned effort to get any kind of bang for their buck out of these.
@@BasementBrandon I have tried for 5 months now making a concerned effort and the value just isnt there, especially for power lifters. Athletes and maybe people who need more saftety than free weights but even then go buy a funcional trainer (which i have) and its way more usefull and better value.
Additional (long) spotter arrms if they can be locked in straight position...
They are not meant to take that kind of drop.
What a honest review!! Hard to set up means less chance to use. Totally agree. Great review and you saved my money. Thanks!!
Appreciate you watching!
So when are you getting rid of those jammer arms?
Prob keep them just for the sake of having something different
I tend to use my lever arms quite a bit. I also have the articulating handles that really improve the experience of the movements. I never use the stock handles, ever. I also altered my trolleys to where I can add a pin and hold a proper angle to use for all my pressing movements. I can setup Incline press in literally 40 seconds. I timed it.
In my opinion without any ingenuity or effort to alter them to have a convenient pin to hold the angle they are pretty much useless. I really love my lever arms and one day I'd double down and get a Sorinex hurricane because I tend to do more "powerbuilding" style workouts and going max effort on Incline lever press feels great to work on my chest opposed to regular bench where I feel a lot more lats, shoulders, and triceps.... just my 2 cents
Interesting feedback, everyone that I've known who bought the articulating handles have been disappointed, so good to hear something different!
@@BasementBrandon yeah I'm definitely more in the minority but I would buy em again and I think most people wouldn't.
Only exercise i would use the jammer arms for is seated chest press. But they are way too expensive for EU they are nearly 2k euros on rogue eu site…
Yeah a big ask for little use.
Lever arms never seem to speak to me at least for my training
INB4 you buy some :)
Did you buy the short?
Yes! I think the long would be too much for the 90" rack I have.
100% agree I couldn’t wait until I sold them. Horrible equipment not for the garage gym user but has more functional use in a commercial gym or sports training facility.
Yeah I think if someone has limited space these might be more handy in the absence of other equipment.
Sportspecific these are great, I dont like the short ones, I have the longer versions and I use them everyday for my clients, these are great for boxing or baseball specific excercises you can do a lot of rotational work with it, they have great resistance with bands. Also they are used a lot in performance institutes for the NFL, of you play sports I would highly recommend them!
Thanks for the feedback
But if you use them with nurled handles and the longer arms, shouldnt those be the ideal way to train for a Viking press?
Doesn't seem like a good investment for just one movement
@@BasementBrandon Well as far as i know any Viking press apparatus will set you back at least the same amount of money and will take up more space right?
@@importantstuff1130 I'd assume just getting one of the barbell attachments and rigging it up across the rack to rest on the safeties might be a cheap way to get it done, but I never do them, so what do I know 🤪
Yep….my 30 min unplanned (whenever the kids are all synchronized) workouts would be ruined with all this setup time required etc.😆😆
Plus with your Alibaba rack you can do whatever you need anyways!
@@BasementBrandon 👍👌💪
how hard is it to take them off? like say you wanted to put on a different leg like the inside?
it's not hard, but it's a pain in the ass.
@@BasementBrandon man I was consider getting these but now I think they aren’t even worth it. Plus the iso arm pushes probably don’t even do that much right? The marketing behind these make it look like a essential item to get
@@quincy189 In my experience more people who buy them are dissatisfied than happy. However there are a few people who really love em.
@@BasementBrandon thank you!
Great video. I had these as future considerations because they look so cool, but I had a hard time getting motivated for them because they’re very expensive and don’t add any practical functionality for me. Everything I’d use them for can be performed with a barbell, which I’d rather use. Their fate is officially sealed.
Sorry to burst the bubble!
Guilty as charged. I'm yet another dope who just had to have them when I got my Rogue Rack a year and half ago. They are a PIA for sure. I could see them being more useful if my/your rack had one more set of uprights so they would have their own space so to speak. The handle shape sucks. I originally ordered them with the long arms then got the shorter ones. I use it rarely. One thing you can try, however, to get them out of the way, and I only have an 8' ceiling, is to lower them to about a quarter of the way down. You can then swing the arms up to the ceiling. Mine are about an inch or so away from ceiling, just enough so I can lower them when I want to. I put a bungie cord around them so they stay up. I believe I saw Coop show a newer version by Rogue which has much smaller articulating handles. These that we have, the handles suck. Great review.
Glad I'm not alone!
@@BasementBrandon Well, when one spends upwards of a thousand dollars, which is close to what they cost, and probably with shipping it's more, especially when one is as dumb as me and wound up paying another few hundred for the shorter arms, it's not always an easy thing to admit. lol.
But I'll one up that. Back in 2008 I used an ab bench in a gym. Loved it. Had to have it. Called the company down south, a commercial gym equipment supplier for quite a few years, and ordered it. $800. Paid over the phone with my debit card. Was told their trucks do the deliveries and it would be 2 months or more until they got up to NY again. NP I said. After a few months I called and their phone was disconnected. Website still up. Note I said 2008, height of financial crisis. Well, they went bankrupt, with my money and I'm sure many others. Ah, but it gets better. (btw, too much time passed and my bank would do nothing.) I saw one for sale on ebay. I paid $500 for it. Then realized it wasn't the model I wanted. I was responsible to get a shipper. never bothered. Yep, $1300 down the drain. Live and learn.
@@mdjak3686 Damn, you're due for some good luck!
@@BasementBrandon thanks but it’s not all a sad song. Life is great. I’ve always said I’d rather lose money through a mistake or stupidity than getting robbed. It didn’t thankfully take food off my table.
Watched this video a while back, didn't heed the advice and now regretting a lever arm purchase. I'm sure some people get great use out of lever arms and love them. But I'm too lazy to set them up. Just want to work out when I go to my basement gym. And space has become an issue in my gym. Shame on me!
Tried to warn ya! 😅
This is spot on
Thanks for taking a look!
AGREE! sold mine for a couple hundred less and felt like I still won.
Lol I think I'll keep them just b/c they're more of a talking point now.
As many have noted, couldn’t agree with you more! I am in the Sorinex ecosystem, and they are even more a pain to move. And I assume they cost more than the Rogue version. I do mostly powerlifting like you and have found the arms truly worthless.
One of those things that had a lot of hype but no pop (for me)
brooo you couldve told me this a year ago and stopped me but its too late :(
I did :)
New barbell holder and new Open deadlift bar possibly from elieko
Not from me, nothing new in these shots
My lever arms came incomplete, only the lever arms. They were on sale, non returnable. Customer service told me to be careful what I order.
I'm assuming from the garage sale?
They really should offer them in different colors, they already do the uprights for the rack. Don’t think it would be that much difference/difficult to do
Agreed
My old gym had these and I was pretty excited to use them. I tried to give them an honest chance but they just took way too long to set up.
It takes literally like 10 minutes to set these up as a leg press.
The gym owner said nobody else uses them and they’re basically a waste of money.
I feel like you're pretty neutral on a lot of this stuff, so that's a big statement!
I just leave my rep ones in the pull up position when not in use ;p
I used to!
Brandon is probably too nice in this review if that's possible. I own the latest version of the Rogue Monster Trolley arms with the articulating handles. This is honestly the most disappointing gym purchase I've ever made. I can't recommend them to anyone. I hate them so much that I can't even bring myself to sell them because I'd hate for anyone else to be this disappointed. Jammer arms make the Reverse Hyper look like the best home gym investment of all time.
😂 the final stab at the end
Damn
Just trying to share my view, which I know isn't always the same. I do have friends who love theirs even though I told them not to buy.
They are the older design. Rogue have upgraded the design to make them easier to fit and to adjust them on the uprights. The newer design is an improvement
Also the articulated handles are a MUST. They are so much more functional than the standard handles.
The newer design still has a lot of flaws and I would not recommend personally.
I never use mine either. One of my regret purchases. No lifts felt right on them.
Glad I'm not alone!