DUDEK UNIVERSAL 1.1 Review - Is it more than just a beginner wing?
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- I finally managed to get my hands on the Dudek Universal 1.1 (Thanks CM Paramotors). I just wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I wanted why people would fly their very first flights on it, then going XC with speed and stability. Now I know why.
Please note, I didn't attach the tip steering as it wasn't my wing and had heard mixed reviews about their practical application. The torque adjust lines were more than adequate.
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to drop me a comment.
A big thank you to Paul Mockford aka Paranoob for making the thumbnail and Clive Mason for lending me the wing. www.cmparamotors.com/ - Sport
I've had to hide some rather aggressive comments so sorry if the threads seem odd.
I've heard that Universal is one of the better wings for turbulence. Are there any better ones out there?
That's a hard question to answer as everyone has different bump tolerances. I like Dudek wings for rough air.. Full stop.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 - I remember your excellent review of Hadron 3 and the positive impression it made on you. Would you say that's their best wing for turbulent conditions? If you had to contend with turbulence, would that be your preferred wing to manage it?
Hi Manofsan, if you are in the 200 hour range and love XC then yes the Hadron 3 is the best wing, in my opinion, for XC and for turbulence resistance.
Spot on G! I've been using these gliders all season for my school. Love them! Can't find any real negatives to speak of.
Always lifts my day to get a comment from the mighty Kyle O. I'm pleased that you agree. Loved.you Paraglider Talk. Com the other night.
You had a very nice video on turbulence, I remember. Which wings are best for handling turbulent air?
What a great review Giles! I agree all around. I trained on my Uni1.1 and now well into my 2nd year. I’m not at all bored with it yet. I wanted to do a review but since it’s the only thing I’ve flown it wouldn’t be very balanced. This is a great wing! Cheers
I hope it's similar to your extended opinion of what I found. It is certainly a good wing.
Perfect review. Your description of the brake feel was perfect. It just does what you want it to. It's a beginner wing that you can keep as your second wing as well or maybe the only wing you ever need
Thanks Mitch, I'm glad that my thoughts match yours. It means that I'm in the ballpark.
Just watched this again after about half a dozen flights on my Universal 1.1 and got a lot more from it than when i first watched as a complete novice. I think I'll be back at the end of the summer to check-in again. I can't compare it with any other wing, but i agree with your comments about it's rapid ascent rate at take-off and really comfortable stable handling for a beginner with the trims in or just a quarter out. I haven't yet removed the safety blocks on the trim tabs and gone into full 'race mode' - maybe soon...
Hello DHT, I'm glad it's helped. I suppose because I've flown so many types of wings, taken wings to the limit, I'm able to just feel for the subtle differences. I like the details of a wing and try and understand the reasons why, to help others, that kind of what my channel is all about. Helping others. Get those trimmers unlocked, you'll find a whole new wing in there 😁.
A 'proper' wing review.. Very helpful for people like me, thank you. Looking forward to more.
Cheers. I think there are a few lined up.
A very thorough review. I have one of these wings, and it's good to hear a more able pilot's opinion. I learned a few things thank you.
Thank you. I do try to be factual. Its great for me to be able to show what a wing can do for those that want to know. I'm sure there will be more review to come.
Thank you for reviewing this wing, Giles. It's good to hear from so many pilots that I made a good choice for my first wing! All I need to see now is Andrew Fuller do one of his collapse tests on a Uni 1.1 to see how it behaves if things get a bit squeaky.
Yes, I'll leave that reviewing to Andrew, he is the man for those tests. I've completed and SIV course but I'm no where near skilled enough to do them.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 interestingly Andrew fuller advised me away from reflex wings? He swayed more towards the Flux style wings. Ive got a 1.1 and was considering a new wing,only because mine is too big for me now really(or so i think) . Mine is a 28 and i was thinking about getting a 25.5 but was looking at all sorts of other wings too. Its a minefield...
Yep, love mine. Welcome to the Uni 1.1 supporters club.
I am certainly a fan. I'd have to sell a few wings to make space though. :)
This could be a very good contender for my first wing, thanks Giles, thanks for doing the test
Paul, its a perfect first wing. You really can't go wrong. I've know people out-fly other wings on xc flights. When you do your training with Simon he will be able to sort you out.
Thanks Giles for a great review!
I enjoyed it. It was a cracking wing, a wing I wished I probably should have flown a long time ago.
A very helpful review. I’ve just been considering one of these for my first wing, now I’m convinced!! 👍🏻
Glad it was helpful!
Bought one today from Clive Mason 👍🏻😃
My Universal really flies well! I can cut through winds and cruise endlessly. The lift is unbelievable... it wants to stay in the sky and never come down. If I had anything to say bad about it.... is the excess trim needs a place to go.... a magnet might be handy. Good review!!
Thank you, and yes, it just didn't want to come down and is so efficient. My Old Nucleon WRC trimmers were exactly the same, used to flap around like mad.
Great video Giles, very informative and I would like to see more of these reviews on other wings and how they compare.
Andy, I'm trying. It's just getting the right wings and sizes that's the hard part.
Awesome review Giles. I have mine on order and am eager to try it out
I think you will not be disappointed. Its a cracking wing. I'm a bit gutted to have to hand it back.
This is probable the most important wing review and iam glad you have done it for us newbies looking into ppg, would be great if you could get an ozone mojo, to test back to back with the dudek, personally the uni 1.1 sounds like the only wing i would ever need, i assume second and third wing choices are easier to make as you can figure out what you want/need👍
Thank you. I hope I have helped. It's getting access to the wings as I normally have to buy them to test them. This was a lovely opportunity where I didn't have to.
Excellent review, great job thanks
I hope it was helpful. I try and be factual.
Great video fixing to buy a UNI from Kyle'O, went to his skool man what a great teacher...
Tell KyleO that Giles says Hi ;)
Well done Golf Foxtrot 22 for the best and most comprehensive review I've seen of this wing by far!! Waiting to see what your thoughts were for a while..since RAFA 40 tbh..😉😊
Thank you Mark. It's a great wing. I'm glad I have finally flown it.
I've had my Uni for 2 years now Giles and for the way I fly I will not need anything else:)
Its a great wing. It might be one for a future purchase.
Thats the way i feel about my Roadster 3 and Dominator 23.Add speedbar and there all you will ever need.
@@577buttfan its probably the way I feel about my Hadron XX. But I'm sure there is a slot for a Uni1. 1
@@GolfFoxtrot22 my buddy says I'd love his hadron!!he's got a 20m and I'm 115kg all up with top80 would be fun if I could get off the ground.
@@577buttfan I used to fly my Hadron XX 22 on a miniplane. I just couldn't go too far out on the trims.
Thank you for reviewing this wing,interesting. 👍
Thank you, I hope it was useful.
I've got a nui but not the 1.1 great wing and i fly it with a trike to . it fly's the same with or with out the trike it always feels safe and predictable even in rough air and like you say open the trims and have some good fun , great vid giles .
Wayne, thank you. I remember now you flying you Uni on your trike last time I was at Winglands.
I enjoyed watching that again
Thank you so much for the loan. I couldn't have made the video without your help.
Just getting going and this is the wing that was recommended by the MWPGC for the reasons you have just evidenced. Sounds like it should last a good while and cope with early stage and intermediate flying.
Yes, its a cracking wing with a good range of ability and speed. It will take a while to out fly it and don't rush to open the trimmers until you are ready. Keep the learning progressive. Its a fantastic wing.
Great review and solid info for a popular wing. I'm sure lots more folks are going to see this video. Things I have heard about the Universal as a beginner wing. Overall great, safe, well built and allows a pilot to progress as well as get some speed for doing cross countries. It is never fun to be the slowest in a group. Downsides are it is more difficult to learn how to kite the Universal. Many beginner wings come up and don't have a tendency to overshoot. The Universal does readily overshoot so beginners can often take twice as long to learn how to kite the wing properly. Until they are proficient there is a greater risk of dropping the lines in the motor on launch. Secondly I've heard it isn't difficult to establish a dangerous forward/back oscillation with poor throttle control. This is the more difficult of the two types of oscillations for the instructor to counteract both from a timing perspective and the difficult to visually judge the swing position. All wings have their strengths and weaknesses. I went with the universal but always want to know as much about equipment as possible. Raising these points for discussion I am at the early stage of learning ppg.
I would disagree on the ground handling. Its really not that difficult to ground handle. Ideally for beginners they need to be able to handle a simple wing like this, as the skills will form the foundation of their skill base for later on. When they move to more advanced wings these skills will be essential. I look back to my PG days and wings that didn't sit above your head was the norm, wings have become almost too easy to fly and give a false sense when move to hotter wings. I agree with the oscillations, but being a bit deeper in the brakes helps, its all technique. I hope your PPG journey is going well.
I have never ever seen anyone complain about uni overshooting, more so the opposite, that it hangs back(thats why most launch it on 3-6cm on the trimmers). Ive never experienced the pitch oscillations from fumbling with the throttle either.
It's a very versatile wing and has a great following. I had a friend fly the UK Icarus X on it and it was Perfect.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 oh yeah it is, im very happy with it. Heard rumours about a new nucleon just now, exciting.
Hey when are we going to see any new paramotor content from you? Its been a long wait now😁
Ordered this wing last night the 28m, she'll go well with my new parajet mavric with moster E start
Its a great wing. It certainly has a good following and will allow many to keep flying as it covers a lot of ability ranges. I really enjoyed flying it.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 Thanks, i can't wait to get it and try it out! Fly safe and have fun!
Nice review Giles...........
Thanks. I hope it was helpful.
Great review Giles, that airfield looks familiar 😉
Yes, its a great little friendly airfield. A fun place to fly.
Great review. What's it like in comparison to the ozone wings to launch. Most people say ozone launch really easy. But dudek have the large trim range so dudek are easier to fly when actually flying and ozone are just easier to launch
HI Harry, Ozone make very easy to launch wings. Dudek make well balanced flying wings. It's all down to technique, basic day one technique. The Uni1. 1 just needs the right A riser application. I found it easy to launch but then I'm also used to the Hadron XX which is a little bit fickle. I've always said, if they can make a Dudek launch like an Ozone, Dudek would be the only wing I would fly. Its just technique. Hope that helps.
Thanks for this review as I am really keen for this to be my first wing. Currently in training. I have a question about wing loading. You said you were 5kg's under the max load for the wing. Is this something you are comfortable with? I'm a big guy. All dressed up i'm an easy 130kg. Looking to use a maverick so looking around the 160kg mark all geared with fuel, ready to fly. This would give 10kg margin on the 31meter version of the wing (if i've read the chart right). Just checking my thinking is ok as i have seen comments that you need to me in the middle of the range.
I'm glad my review has been helpful. As long as you are not over the top of the weight range then you are OK. Your instructor should be able to refine but I have a friend in a similar position and he flies the 31, and he isn't slow but any stretch of the imagination.
The 1.1 is a solid choice for a lil bit of everything.
Yes, I agree. I really have been missing out.
Great review Giles. Have you tried the same airspeed test with your sirocco 2? If so, what were your results? Cheers
Simon, it's next on the list. I want to do the same for all my wings.
Nice video! How do you feel this wing compares to the MacPara Charger? Newbie here trying to learn. Was almost sold on the Charger although I haven’t flown either. Thoughts?
I can't really compare. I don't know of any pilots in the UK that fly MacPara wings. Its not a popular make in the UK. Sorry I can't help.
if for example, the wing manufacturer says 120 kgs limit, does that includes the equipment or the person"s weight only?
That's everything. Everything that is hanging underneath, socks included. You can add 5-6 kgs just for clothing and helmet onto you.
Do you know if youll get the chance to try out the dudek solo? Would be nice to see a similar review of that glider:)
I have been trying to get my hands on one but to do a full review you need to fly in all sorts of conditions. Now many want to give me wing for a month :) I'm trying though.
Hey GF 22. Ive been flying a bigger ENB wing for a while now and instead of moving up a class I was thinking moving down in size. I'm flying a 25M and that's my weight range. I want to get the 23M universal 1.1 even though I weigh more. I feel like I will increase the performance of the wing, increase the speed, decrease the efficiency and obviously flying over the weight range you are no longer flying in the certificated range so safety is less. But what is your take on making the next wing the same wing just down in size?
My answer is stay within the weight range, it's there for a reason. Wings handle drastically differently when pushed over their designed ranges. If you want more performance, then choose a wing that will give you that performance within the weight range. Going overweight is not the answer. I'm flying a Hadron XX 22 in the middle of the weight range and I still leave everyone behind.
Thanks GF22 I think that's the general consensus
Have you done a review on the HadronXX? I`d like to see that......
I haven't really, but there is a really good one by Ryan Shaw. I suppose I could put the GolfFoxtrot22 flavour on it.
Good review golf foxtrot who did that dodgy pointing in the briefing room????
Thank you Alan, blame Amazon for the pointing....Looks ok to me.
Hi, have you tried a qubik wing yet? I just wondered how they compare. Im about to get a new wing and im undecided what to get. Cheers
I haven't tried one. I've flown the Kougar 2 but that was some time ago. I find Vivik put too much speed on the speedbar side, rather than the trimmers. I hope you manage to get someone that can help with the comparison.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 Thanks for info. I like to free fly too so really unsure weather to get 2 seperate wings or try and go for one do it all wing. Ive got a 28 1.1 at the moment but have lost lots of weight and have now bought a lighter paramotor too so im able to come down to the 25.5. So one option was to sell my 28 and just get a 25.5 or sell mine and get a new qubik or similar and get a second hand paragliding wing. Lots of ex demo stuff out there including some single skin paragliding wings which look interesting. So far still undecided.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 Have you any secret inside info as to when the no GA rules might be relaxed?
Once again nice one Giles , By the way really love my Dudek Report air ( All be it I've not flown too much recently)
Its a good intermediate wing. It will take a while to out fly it. Winter is a good time to get some time in, its smooth.
Hi, ive got a uni 1.1 28 but not sure if i would be better with the 25? Im 12 1/2 stone in normal clothes. If you go by the weights in the manual i am within the range with motor but only just for free flying. However i would be really close to top end on the 25. It just seems that most people my sort of build are flying much smaller wings than a 28. Is it just a dudek thing? My weight on some other makes would be on something like a 22! What do you rekon. Cheers
I strongly suggest going by the book weights. They are tested to them, it's why I had to wait to get the 25.5 to make sure I was in the right weight range. You could freefly with water ballast if you want.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 Hi, thanks for reply. It just seems like a big wing compared with other manufacturers. The same weight range on a niviuk for example is a 23m wing. I will probably stick with it to be safe. Out of curiosity how much do you weigh in normal clothes?. Cheers
@@davebutcher701 I also had a Ozone Freeride 17 that had a max weight of 140kgs, the performance is all down to the wing loading. Work out your flying weight with max fuel, flying kit, all the bits.
Your in-flight audio sounds much better than most, what setup do you use? Thx for the review too.
Greg, I use a MicroAvionics PM100 headset that has a vlogging mod to feed the GoPro audio adaptor. I've been asked a few times. I think I might need to make a small video to show people.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 did you ever do this review?
@@stevenlarratt3638 I did make a review of my PM100 vlog set up if that helps.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 cheers for the reply, i will have a scroll through your video list 👍
Good job on the review there Giles, you’ll be selling the free ride to buy a uni 1.1 next....😜
Rab, many thanks. Not in this instance. The Uni is a good wing.
6cm is Neutral on that wing. I always launch and land on 6cm. I fly at about 4-6cm most of the time such a nice glide
Having read the manual a few times, there is no neutral setting and the trimmers are locked in to zero for first flights anyway. Page 28 of the manual has a lot of detail that I spent a lot of time getting in my head before flying. Can you point me in the direction of where 6 is indicated as Neutral. I like to get things right, your help is appreciated.
I've spotted it. The manual refers to neutral as half way, so 12 on the trimmers, page 31. It's always buried somewhere!
@@GolfFoxtrot22 Ryan Shaw and another "Dudek Guy" from Canada. Also if you let the trims out to 6 all of the lower half of teh lines are lined up. Every relex wing I have flown (probably not all of them though) seem to have the bottom of the lines (were they attach to the risers) line up when on neutral. Could be wrong but 12 does not "feel neutral" to me. But I am no wing expert by no means.
@@dogofwisdom7945 I just took it from the manual. I know the Ozone wings have a neutral line. I think its just one of the quirks of the brand. I know what you mean. When I was landing it in higher winds I was landing at 6 it just felt so much better but I also have to appreciate that this is also a beginner wing (which would be lock into zero) and not my Freeride of Hadron XX. Your comments are appreciated. It's a shame I don't have the wing for more extensive testing.
Golf Foxtrot 22, someone told me that “neutral” was when tops of all 4 risers sit at the same height. At 0cm the D’s are lower than the A’s. At 6cm they’re all about the same and any more trimmed out the D’s will sit higher than the A’s. 0cm is the EN certified setting, but even then there’s still a little reflex in the centre of the wing.
Nice round spiral there at the end bro!!!
Thank you, it's such a well behaved and solid wing, it made me work hard on the G straining.
How would you compare it to a roadster or spyder 3?
It terms of all round capability, the Uni is better. Its a paraglider wing at one setting and a reflex wing in other settings. The ozone wings now days are so easy to launch, they are almost too easy for a student who would then progress to a more advanced wing would then struggle as they don't have the required feel. Its a good time to be flying any of the modern wings. If its a good solid, general and XC wing you are after the Uni will beat the other 2 hands down. If you want a little bit more agility, the Spyder 3 would be better, but not by much.
Is it fair to say that this wing if free fly and paramotor ready right from the box ?
The only thing to consider if you want to free fly the wing is that you will also need to be within the paramotor weight range. Check the weight range as it might not work for your set up. I hope that helps.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 absolutely. I'm only thinking about a small engine something like a Mini MOT.
@@dadscanplay2 you might find it a little underpowered for the whole range if speed that the UNI can reach. Are you just looking for thermalling?
This is the wing I’m training on
Hi Ryan, it will probably take a while to outfly the 1.1. Don't rush to get into a higher performance wing, you'll miss some of the key learn steps.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 I’m definitely too old now to be in a hurry lol.
Do you still fly paramotors?
@@FLYNRYAN1978 unfortunately not. I sold my paramotor kit a few years ago. I found I was flying the Peabee far more than the paramotor so sold it to free up some cash as well.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 I love flying my trike and will continue to but I want to go slower and fly lower if that makes sense.
I love STOL and to be able to land almost anywhere.
@@FLYNRYAN1978 I understand where you are coming from. It's hard to legally low fly in the UK.
I fly the 25.5 @ 117kg all up and my speeds are 37kmph (23mph) 53kmph (33mph) with 8 liters with a full tank extra 4 liters I gain 1 mph on top of that. If I fly with 4 liters or less drop 1 mph off those speeds. I have 200+ hours on Universal and Universal 1.1. I have had other wings and currently have a 22M Falcon. Not using speed bar just on trimmed out, although not as efficient, the Universal is as Fast as my Falcon. I will always have a Universal in my quiver.
Thank you for the feedback. Are your speeds, accurate air speeds or GPS speeds with wind compensation. I'm guessing your extra weight will increase the wings speed slightly which would make sense. Like you, I have a few wing to choose from, I just wanted to experience this one and now I know why so many like it.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 I do use GPS and test with wind speeds. Also distance covered averages. I have also checked NIL wind (I know there is rarley true Nil) in mornings near the ground and circles to test it. I am hoping to get a flymaster probe before next flying season so I dont have to fly circles and all that all that
Yo Dog, I have the original Universal and it's the only thing I've been flying since 2016. I want to keep my Universal as a backup when I get something hotter. Is there is an appreciable difference in the 1.1 and the original?
@@stemtosternms4438 Yes, It is a lighter material and I think the new wing is cut with new laser tech. The 25.5 is 10% Lighter (about 1.5 lbs) I flew them back to back and There was a noticeable difference in launch and just a little different feeling in the air. My original only had about 30 hours on it so it wasn't like I was comparing an old wing to a new one.
Thanks for the response. 10% is significant, especially in nil wind. I feel like on launch I have to bang it up harder than people on other wings. Which isn't a big deal as long as you check it and don't let it over fly you.
Nice review. They say the Red ones go faster... But Dudek don't like to tell too many people... They keep it a secret
Sam, that's a brilliant comment, only you would come up with that one.
Makes sense mine is Fire!
@@dogofwisdom7945 Yes Fire is definitely faster than Water
He should have test Fire
Be nice if you could review/try out a reportair and give us your thoughts . I can send u mines to review. I’ve bought it but never flown it yet. I was told it’s same as universal but even more stable. But I don’t know...
The main difference bet the ReportAir and the Universal is the handling. Although the ReportAir has the reflex profile permanently in. The Uni trim system brings it I as the trimmers are let out. The Uni is a paraglider and paramotor profile. In short, the ReportAir is faster and more dynamic in the handling in comparison. I hope that helps.
Golf Foxtrot 22 thanks, much appreciated mate!
Liked and subscribed.
I'm glad you liked it. I'm trying to make informative videos.
This or the Roadster 3? What do you think?
Thank you. It does! I'm sticking with the universal. I guess my only concern is the danger of forgetting and using the brakes when trimmed out. I'll just have to be ever cautious.
It's just a mental process. Anything over 12, don't use the brakes.
Are the three thumbs down from Dell and his two students? I know he hates Ozone, wander what he thinks of this wing.
Probably, he got quite abusive so I had to block him.
this is classic shape paraglider with a bit reflex(calling semi reflex),
now try to fly on this wing in turbulent conditions ,and you understand.
i mean turbulent not few farts in steady air.
I'll have to correct you. There is is no such thing as semi reflex, it's either reflex or its not. The Uni goes from as you said classic paraglider but open the trims and it becomes reflexed. I've flown in seriously rough air before on my Hadron XX so I know how it works and I know what rough and thermic air feels like. This was a generic review over a few flights. I'm not sure what point you were trying to make.
what is semi reflex ?
Luvly Jubly Giles ...
AND ... my question will be ... "now that you've flown it, would THIS be your choice (rather than a Hadron xx) for doing an Icarus or 400 miles coast to coast, if you were to do it again? ... :-)
Knowing what I know, they would be very close, but the Hadron XX has the slightly higher speed range. The big difference is that you get the speed without having to have 100 hours and a great level of experience to fly the Uni. Its a win win for a newbie.
but, but, but hey wait isn't this one of those death trap, hoax flex wings that I have heard so much about?
Nope, that's all just fake news by ill-informed individuals.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 British people in general have a hard time recognizing sarcasm don't they?
Haha, hi Michael, I apologise for my sarcastic reply. I've had Dell on here giving me grief about the very same topic. I hope you are well.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 No worries I assumed that you would recognize those words from the self proclaimed best pilot in the world. Additionally, he has numerous world records that he made up himself. Some other ones like getting more sites closed than any other human. My personal favorite is harassing and kicking an owl while in flight, posting it and getting himself arrested. I doubt anybody else is on record for such a stunt. He doesn't talk to much about those but impressive none the less.
@@GolfFoxtrot22 BTW Mitch G does a great job in explaining how reflex wings function. Not that you didn't but his was more of a classroom approach. Dell has a classroom video as well. He is passionate about what he believes, but reality just doesn't back him up. Thanks for posting your excellent video.