20 Things You Didn’t Know About Moneyball
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- The Oscar-nominated sports classic was almost very different.
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Moneyball must be trending right now because I just watched Ben's video from Mr Sunday Movies talking about how this movie SLAPS!
Me too!
Me tooo
Yes it is. Billy Bean in real life just left the Athletics and is going onto some other things and it’s the end of an era in Baseball to some degree and now the movie about him is getting attention again
It truly slaps
It because of the Google/CZcams all knowing and all seeing recommended video feed
Moneyball is one of those movies I can watch over and over and never get tired of it.
I've watched it 3 times this week, and a 4 is coming. It's sooo good
I hate watching baseball but this is still one of the best movies I have ever seen
Same. I much rather play a game than watch it.
Cricket is the greatest sport in the world.
same. just watched it again today
Just watched this again today! Love that film especially as spring training is about 6 weeks away! ❤️⚾️
love baseball and love this movie. i remember that A's team pretty well too. great underdog story
How was spike jones character sleazy? Seemed like a nice guy trying to navigate a sticky situation.
Haha, I was surprised by that characterization, too. He came across like the guy you naturally want to dislike because he's with your ex, but at the same time tough to hate because he's a nice dude.
This movie is a great depiction of one of the most incredible and influential stories in all of sports. I remember going to see this movie 3 times as 15 year old in a mostly empty theater with my dad.
A pure performance from Brad Pitt. Could've won oscar any other year.
One of the more flawless films
what beat it???
one thing the movie doesn't mention a lot of because doesn't really fit into the underdog narrative is that the A's had 3 stud pitchers in Mulder Hudson and Zito
And AL MVP Miguel Tejada at SS. A free swinger who hated Bean's methods and told him once "You can't walk your way off the island"
All-Star 3rd baseman Eric Chavez.
Mark Ellis at 2nd base.
Plug and play utility man Ray Durham.
Deep platoon of outfielders, Terrence Long, Eric Byrnes, and Jermaine Dye.
Yup.
Its a fair criticism of the book. A good chunk of the As talent (such as MVP Miguel Tejada, allstar Eric Chavez, their three star pitchers and former MVP Jason Giambi) were drafted and scouted through traditional means
@@timmutohfan What's crazy is that Chavez never WAS an all-star, and until their breakout performances on the moneyball teams, guys like Zito, Hudson, and Dye were relative unknowns, only to get hyped back up when they moved on to bigger markets.
Banger of a video Josh. Great job as always!
The movie also failed to mention that the team of "underdogs" had 4 of the best players in baseball at the time.
@Agent J Miguel Tejeda, Mark Mulder, Barry Zito, Tim Hudson.
@Agent J huh?
@Agent J I'm not understanding your argument. Do you want stats?
@Agent J So why did you ask?
@Agent J Lol, dude throwing philisophy in to confuse his opponent. It was super effective
You forgot the former player turned actor who had the longest career. Royce Clayton who portrayed Miguel Tejada played for 11 teams over 17 major league seasons.
Whoa, I had no idea that was Royce Clayton!
It’s still Captain Holt favourite movie.
This is one of my top 20 favorite movies. IMO it's also one of Pitt's best performances...I don't see him as Brad Pitt playing Billy Beane in the movie...I see him as Billy Beane.
Slapshot used a lot of real hockey players (aside from Paul Newman) because apparently it is a lot easier to teach hockey players to act than actors to play hockey.
Just goes to show you how much of a impact sports can have a film about an early 2000's overachieveing. Baseball team gets love a world away that's cool
Another entry into the list of mispronunciations, David "Justins" when big stadium banner shows their name as Justice.
Andy Brown not even a mispronunciation. He’s apparently just illiterate.
The movie leaves out 3 of the best pitchers in baseball Zito, Hudson, and Mulder and also MVP Tejada and all-star Chavez. That's like doing a movie about the underdog 96 Bulls and leaving out Jordan and Pippen.
Those were established superstars; the movie is about the bargain guys replacing the three departed ones.
I'd love to see a movie about the post-MJ Bulls teams those 2 years Houston won, revolving around Kerr, Armstrong and Kukoc, rather than a script written to trail Scottie Pippen. That's what Moneyball does. Even without the most casual of baseball knowledge the most rudimentary research would reveal the MVP and Big Three.
I agree but 96 Bulls were not an underdog. But true, they did leave out the great pitching . Still a good movie though. Most people know the A's are a small market team when it comes to payroll.
@@quincee3376 of course the Bulls weren't underdogs, the Athletics won 102 games in 2001, Moneyball was about the 2002 season. Not really underdogs either. The movie also didn't touch on OF Adam Piatt supplying steroids for the whole team, no wonder Hatteberg had his best season that year.
@@mikecrow.1 The 01' offseason say the Ray's lose 3 of their top players including their first baseman who had just had a season with an OPS+ of 199, In Jason Giambi. Damon wasn't as big of alose with the bat (OPS+ of 86 ) but he was a great baserunner and fielder. Jason Isringhausen had an ERA+ of 165 so these are major loses. You're right though they did return Jermaine Dye (OPS+139), Miguel Tejeda ( OPS+110), and Eric Chavez (OPS+129)
@@quincee3376 As some people say. Ownership is cheap NOT a small market. You never heard the word small market with the Raiders. Thank you. Mentor Mac.
Chris Pratt was so great in this! He's drive as an actor mirrored that of his character, so life imitating art.
Interestingly enough Billy Beane is currently involved with Barnsley Football Club, he’s a part of the consortium that took over the club a couple of years ago. The club uses his moneyball techniques in terms of player recruitment.
As someone who has followed this style since roughly 1999 I can say it can be applied to EVERYTHING. All you have to do is correctly answer one question for bargain-basement winning: Which numbers *actually* tell you something?
Have not watched Moneyball, but because of your video, I most definitely will. I always enjoy WhatCulter's videos.
As a American baseball fan I had my doubts about this video. Well done focusing on the film and not the sport itself. Good job.
Nothing says American like putting an "a" in front of a word that starts with a vowel! XD
As a life long fan I loved the book and I believe this is as good of a movie from that book as you could make. The book has a lot of nuances and to Michael Lewis' credit or detriment, in the book he has a chapter that is just a pain to get through as he describes the analytics of Bill James' theories. However, once you get past that, the chapter on the draft where the A's had 7 picks in the first round is well worth it as the payoff. Not sure how they could have added that to the movie w/ out adding an additional 30 min.
On a side note, I was living in So Cal at the time and I remember my friends talking up the A's and their run and I kept watching the standings and the Anaheim Angels were right on the heels of the A's the whole time. Anyone remember who won the World Series that year??? The Anaheim Angels. I was crushed!
There are some notable exclusions/errors in the movie. Jeremy Giambi wasn't acquired by Beane prior to 2002 like they would have you believe. He was with the A's since the 2000 season. Jason and Jeremy were actually teammates with the A's for 2 seasons. It was Jeremy Giambi who forgot to slide into home when he was tagged out in the famous Jeter "flip" play during the 2001 playoffs. His off field troubles were also exaggerated. Also the main reasons for the A's success was because the team wasn't essentially gutted. They still had one of the best pitching staffs in all of baseball. Barry Zito, Mark Mulder and Tim Hudson all had great years. Zito won the Cy Young and Miguel Tejada won the AL MVP in 2002. Yet none of these players were even mentioned In this movie. Not that I am complaining as this is a great movie. I have watched it several times and never tire of it. My favorite scene is Hatteberg/Justice eating cereal "What is your greatest fear?.... yeah well good luck with that".
Jeremy Giambi’s off field troubles we’re not exaggerated. He was busted for marijuana at the Las Vegas airport in December 2021. There were issues at strip clubs as well. The movie was based on a book and the book was not about individual player profiles or the season but on the story of how the A’s were able to find market inefficiencies and exploit them. The 20 consecutive wins just happened at the same time Michael Lewis was writing the book (originally it was just going to be an article for the New York Times Magazine). The book came out in June of 2003.
My favorite movie of all time. Thanks for the video.
One of my favorite movies. Certainly one of the best sporting movies of all time.
This should be fact #1. They had 3 Aces who won over 20 games each!!!!! Probably one of the best trios ever.
"im just a little girl stuck in the middle, life is a maze and love is a riddle"
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I FF through that scene....
Actually disliked this scene, too obvious Hollywood moment it didn't need...
This is Bill Belichicks favourite movie.
I’m loving all the “left field” puns lol
As many times as I can say this movie is 5-stars out of five, I really feel for Art Howe on this thing. Maybe he was blunt, maybe he rubbed guys the wrong way we don't know. That's one thing. It's quite another to be labeled as THE biggest roadblock for Oakland's success. You just can't portray a coach or manager as incompetent for the sake of fiction, especially when they actually moved the chess pieces during a 100-win season. I feel the scouts or even owner would have proved to be better antagonists since they likely very much were the ones applying pressure. That's very disrespectful IMO.
I also love this film, but I agree. Howe is a very likeable manager and is a proven manager. I get its for narrative sake, but i agree it was a little disrespectful
Movies want a villain.
For the movie _Sully_ about the pilot who lost his engines to a bird strike and landed his airliner in the Hudson River - saving all the passengers - they made the NTSB Investigators the Villains. The Real Sullenberger was not happy. In reality - the NTSB Investigators were so happy to not be investigating an aircraft full of dead bodies - the last thing in the world they were doing was trying to get Sullenberger. They just loved the guy. So - to see them made the Villains the real Sullenberger was NOT pleased.
But that's movies.
Movies are primarily created to move the audience emotionally - (which is why the audience is there) - NOT - document reality. That is what Documentaries are for - and ... documentaries seldom have the viewers that hit movies do ... though ... some times they do have the numbers ... non-hit movies do ... even if these movies were supposed to be really big hits ... and weren't ...
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw They had movie night in a prison once because Dog Day Afternoon featured a real character that was actually serving time. Imagine his surprise when he realized HE was the rat that took everyone down. Or should I say, imagine the other inmates' responses.
Same thing here. The movie already had villains - the establishment. Titanic didn't need to make real life hero Murdock a weasel-faced murderer instead. I know why they did it, and I also know it's a weakness in storytelling; a true cop-out shortcut that hurts the film.
@@libradawg9 Yep. But they keep doing it ...
And - oh yeah ... I'm watching it again right now ...
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And Hoffman was a terrible casting choice. He's not a baseball person, nor is he athletic (not past grammar school anyway). He doesn't talk the talk or... well, you know. He didn't know how (npi) to portray Art Howe. The movie didn't do either one of them any favors. I could see Kevin Costner in that role. If they could afford him. Or Tom Berringer. Or Corbin Bernsen.
It's on netflix and I watched it recently, it was even better than the first time what a movie!
I'll rewatch this many times in my life.
It's really impressive how you guys can just read IMDb trivia and make a video with facts that aren't really that unknown
The sip at the end of the film represents a nod to many vampire films. Don't drink the last drop or it will be the death of you. Moral of the quote. Always be hungry...
Never watched a baseball game but this is one of my favourite movies!
As an O's fan I hate that baseball allows these huge payroll disparities. They're like the A's payroll wise, but without a genius GM like Beane. But, without teams like the Yankees, Dodgers and Red Sox spending crazy amounts of money, there would be no Moneyball. So in this one particular case, I'll applaud the huge market teams for making this film possible.
Under tommy, the dodgers never paid a play over a million until fernando hold out
The hatteberg scene was filmed on oakland. And the a's had to win 3 out of 4 games against texas to clinch. The atmosphere was electric that year.
No they didn’t. They were up 3 games going into the final series v Texas. They only needed to win one game or have the angels lose a game. Which happened the first game of their respective series Angels lost 7-6 to Seattle and the A’s won 3-2 vs Texas.
21) the A's MVP from that season was Miguel Tejada, a player who later tested positive for PED's as did the A's MVP from the season before, Jason Giambi. They were not the only A's players who were linked to PED'S from the magic season depicted in Moneyball.
Demetri was a solid choice, but Jonah was unforgettable! I really liked Demetri in Contagion, though it wasn't a big part. I hope he gets more roles 'cause he's great!
8:36 fun fact: in that scene, they are using "Alta Dena" dairy products which are only sold in Southern California. As the movie takes place in the Bay Area, they SHOULD be using "Bay View Farms" dairy products.
Dead giveaway that this scene was not "location-based" (I'm from the Bay Area but also spend time in L.A. as well)
One of my fave movies
The soundtrack is really good in this movie .
Haven't watched a single baseball game from first pitch to last in my life ..... but I've watched and enjoyed several baseball movies .....this being one of them. Actual sport .....total indifference.
It is actually a very interesting game to watch if you can bear the slow pacing. Lots happening between the lines, interesting combination of team sport and duel, and though 90% of it relies on standardised plays there's always room for sthg unexpected.
Hear me out...this...but for Rush (F1)
Good shout!
I didn't know a lot more than just 20 things given that I have never seen the movie!
As to #7, former All Star shortstop Royce Clayton played All Star shortstop Miguel Tejada in the movie.
Also, I don’t know if this is considered “little known” or not, but the movie completely distorts the A’s approach to building a team; the movie makes seems to express a disdain for traditional scouting & player development in favor of sabermetrics, but the reality is that all of the A’s best players were guys that the team drafted & developed thru traditional player development (Tim Hudson, Barry Zito, Mark Mulder, Eric Chavez, & Tejada). The A’s methodology is to try to develop good players thru the farm system, keep them when they’re on their cheap rookie contracts, & then supplement those players w/ undervalued players like Justice & Hatteberg, NOT build a team of undervalued players.
Yeah I watched it again last night. Thanks for asking Josh
That's too bad, I liked the portrayal by Hoffman. He's one of my favorite characters in the film.
Just saw this movie on Saturday.
On item No. 7 about actual ballplayers appearing in the movie, Royce Clayton was quoted as saying "WTF, WhatCulture??"
And.
THE best sports movie ever. Superb casting.
I didn't know about Art Howe's objections. If the producers had just a little bit of sensitivity, they could have adjusted the script and it still would have played well.
But, you know, Hollywood just can't help themselves. Ever.
Sad, but true.
Love how an Englishman depicts this movie.. makes me appreciate seeing this movie, and living through it that much more!
What depiction??? hes just reading from a script that someone wrote for him.
Jeremy Giambi was already A's in 2000. He was playing with his brother Jason.
Soderbergh eventually made his sports business film with HIGH FLYING BIRD; a basketball movie with no basketball in it.
Class act by Sorkin for insisting Zaillian still be credited. Writers having writers backs.
I would have preferred the Soderbergh version I think. I loved that they made a movie about the A's but I was disappointed they didn't talk about the best players.
Regarding #7
1) Casey Bond never played for the S.F. Giants. He played briefly in their minor league system.
2) Steven Bishop “actually” never played a season with David Justice in the 1990’s. Bishop played only 20 games with a very low level Braves minor league team in 1993. Justice was a well established veteran in the majors by then.
Don’t let facts get in the way of your little known facts.
Brits talking baseball? Love it.
Also hearing Josh say Minnesota Twins (my favorite team), very cool.
well technically baseball is based on the English/Irish sport of rounders...
@@deepakrama Also, the first professional baseball league in the world was started in the UK.
We play baseball here too. I played for 21 years.
Well, like most sports, we invented it and the Yanks take credit (Hmm, where have I come across that before...)
Love this movie.
what is the song the little girl sings?? 🔥🔥
Reminds me of the reds sweeping As in 90!!!
The biggest problem with the movie is that billy beane didn’t implement sabermetrics into the Oakland A’s front office. Sandy Alderson did. Beane just continued down the same path when Alderson left the organization. Also, everyone in the A’s organization, including Art Howe and the scouts, were onboard with his approach bc they starting changing things in 1996. Also sabermatrics doesn’t just focus on OBP. It also highly values slugging percentage which is never mentioned in the movie. This birthed a new stat of OPS. Where the movie completely lost me was that they failed to mention the fact that they had three stud starting pitcher, Hudson, Zito and Mulder, who were under team control. These players weren’t undervalued. They were highly valued by everyone. They would of had them no matter what. The A’s offense was good that year but there pitching was what won them all those games. The made it seem like It was changing out a first baseman. Scott had a good not great year. Somehow he’s the hero.
""" How can you not be romantic about baseball ? """
Love this movie, seen it several times. But I did get the feeling that they exaggerated the clashing of old school and new theory a bit. Sure, the veteran coaches would have old school leanings and the young advisors would be a little "know-it-all" side of things. But this is sports at it's highest level, populated with highly paid people in every role. Everybody wants - and eventually has - to win.
Tommy Lasorda played players like that but salaries as NEVER CONSIDERED, back then it as called "small ball" Tommy would call for a suicide bunt in the ninth inng with two outs and bases loaded
Tommy relied on the bunt to a fault. He had no players (late 80s-early 90s) who could steal a base (except once in a while Brett Butler), so he gave away outs to advance runners a base. It is the complete opposite of what sabermetrics teaches you about the game...there is no clock, it is measured by outs. Every out is sacred, it is not to be given away. I'm a lifetime Dodgers fan, and when Tommy managed this way, I hated it.
@@MIKELIN8 correction we had 4 players hit 30 homers in a year. and for 15 years we lead the league in team pitching.
@lee actually mike is right according to baseball reference. Lasorda was above average in sac bunts in every year but 3 78,81,95,96 including leading the league in sac bunts in 85,87, and 93. Overall he sacrificed 27% above the league average for managers during his time period.
No BS, I just watched the movie last night. Very good. 11/27/20
Royce Clayton played Miguel Tejada.
This is a great, informative video. MoneyBall is s great movie. What makes Jonah Hill such a great actor ? I love him in everything. He just does himself. Like to catch a beer with him sometime. My people will contact his people
Good on you for doing “20” things we didn’t know. Ha ha
Are we just going to ignore that he said Justins....
Hearing him say that made me wince. I was a big Justice fan back in the Atlanta days.
I gotta admit that I never saw Bille's ex-wife's new husband as "sleezy". To me it kinda felt like he just wasn't sure how to handle Billy, like he wanted to be nice but it came out awkward.
Yeah, I don't get the sleezy jab either ...... and as pointed out Beane was remarried himself so there was really no conflicts going on.
Incidentally, Game 5 of the 2002 ALDS, where the Twins knocked the A's out of the playoffs, was a day game. It's shown here twice as a night game.
All the games that series were day games.
Great movie
I'm a baseball fan. Not an A's fan, per se, but to be fair, I'm a fan of every team except the Yuckees. Even given, I have enjoyed this movie many times, and it seems, I will again, tonite.
Why is everyone talking about this movie all of the sudden?
i was wondering the same damn thing.
Just added to Netflix
@@wilson6387 just watched it ;)
They also didn't mention Sandy Alderson as well.
David Justins?
BP......nice beautifoul
*Raymond Holt liked this video*
I know it doesnt fit with the theme but Spike Jonze was in one of the Jackass Movies lol
This movie gets on base.
'assistant to the General Manger'
The main thing is low payroll, nothing special in wins, and ticket prices stayed at top market.
Was new sleazy in it?
No one talks about Moneyball but it’s easily one of my favorite sports movies of all time.
When you realise that Jonah Hill isn’t just halerious. Superbad is my favorite Comedy btw
Hilarious
10:06 Oh yeah, David Justins....
British people talking about Baseball lol
This movie was a bit misleading because they failed to mention the excellent starters the As had that carried the team
One, it annoys me to imply we "don't know" some of these things. I knew about several of them. Two, I wouldn't call Spike Jonze's role as being sleazy. I think smarmy is a better description.
When do we get a movie about the Rays doing what the As did, except doing it year in and year out for about 15 years now?
Not surprised they only got 1 day for filming in Boston, as Fenway is usually a year round venue. Bad weather at the end of October early November? Welcome to Boston. Haha.
Didn't know there were ideas on using the actual players. Might have solved some of the stupid things...as in Scott Hatteberg being "washed up" before Billy found him. He wasn't. The movie depicts Hatteberg being one call from taking a job driving a taxi or working at the supermarket. This was not the case. Why didn't Boston keep him? He cost too much...sound familiar? Doug Mirabelli was brought in after Varitek got hurt and his enjoyment of catching Tim Wakefield, plus his cheaper salary, made Hatteberg expendable after 2001 season.
David Justins
Napoleon borrowed that "from The art of war by Sun Tzu.
Here's a fun fact for u guys...
In 2002, the Twins had a payroll that was only $425,000 more than the A's.
The Marlins also won the World Series the following year, 2003 with a lower payroll than the A’s.
Why are so many top level content creators on CZcams putting content out about this movie at the same time?
Is this movie really worthy of a 20 TYDKA video? Y'all are reaching.
nice
How about the fact that it got released concurrently with a re-release of The Lion King and got beaten at the box office by a 20 year old children's film? XD
you mean the most famous and sucessfull animated property of all time? that kids film?
where's the shame in that? Lion King is extremely popular still and if you look at box office numbers ever you'd see kids movies almost always sell extremely well over just about everything besides maybe Marvel movies