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Moneyball. Brad Pitt stars in this film about Oakland A's general manager Billy Beane and his attempt to put together a baseball club on a budget by employing computer-generated analysis to draft his players. Oakland A's general manager Billy Beane (Brad Pitt) challenges the system and defies conventional wisdom when his is forced to rebuild his small-market team on a limited budget. Despite opposition from the old guard, the media, fans and their own field manager (Philip Seymour Hoffman), Beane - with the help of a young, number-crunching, Yale-educated economist (Jonah Hill) - develops a roster of misfits…and along the way, forever changes the way the game is played.
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“Scott Hatteburg.”
“Who?”
“Exactly. Sounds like an Oakland A already.”
Underrated part of the script right there LOL 😂
Right? XD
Idk why exactly but his reactive, "exactly" aka obviously this is a great pick line was really funny. Btw how you have 330 likes and no comments lol
"Who?"
"Starlord, man."
Favorite line no doubt.
its not underrated. Its classic Sorkin.
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The only scene better: "I've never played first base". "Its not that hard, tell him Wash". "Its incredibly hard." LOL.
I disagree, the better scene is when wash says maybe one of the fans can be trained to play first base
@@corymehlhoff632 same scene
@@ermac102 Where im from we call that kind of disagreement an agreement
@@chrisvarns from where im from we call it confusion
“What about the fans?”
“Yeah, maybe I could teach one of them.”
“Billy that doesn’t look right”
“No look you gotta carry the one”
“Ah.”
What a wholesome old man 😂
Such a good part - cracks me up every time.
There's always that one
Laughed loud on that
Honestly, props to him for double-checking the math!
@@Spaminator3000, I can dig it. I'm an ex-math-teacher, and even I forgot to carry a five once. The students had a good laugh throwing my own quotes back at me after that, but it was effective; I didn't do that again.
The fact that the head scout is played by an actual baseball player and coach who hates Billy Beane irl is genius. Such a good casting decision.
Who played the head scout?
@@flipsolo Ken Medlock
@@sapwoodwildwood5843 exactly, sounds like an Oakland A already
@@sapwoodwildwood5843 pitch in minor league ball
I like how the line, "Ugly girlfriend means no confidence" was a real line that was said between scouts, except it was, "Ugly girlfriend means bad eyesight" which is objectively more hilarious, but I'm sure they changed it because it sounded too fake.
The acting is so good all around here. Feels like we're snooping on a real meeting in a documentary or something.
Most of the scouts are played by actual scouts. Grady (the head scout) was played by Ken Medlock, who was a baseball scout before he was an actor, and hated the data-driven movement in baseball.
@@arwyss didn’t he also hate Billy with an intense passion? And you wonder why his acting is so good in this movie 😂
When this movie was planned it was supposed to be a semi-documentary but was changed when a new director came in. A lot of that feel is still there. I liked this movie. I can't believe that this is the system the Red Sox used to kill their 86 year streak.
it's almost as if you don't even need real actors. Can you imagine? Thank heavens the baseball scouts were coached how to talk, how to say their lines etc by professional actors before they started filming otherwise who knows what wouldve happened to the film
@@arwyss cool trivia thanks
"Do I care if it's a walk or a hit?... Pete?"
"You do not."
Best moment.
@@praisejesusrepentorlikewis6218 wow, you get around
@@praisejesusrepentorlikewis6218 OHH JEBUS
Religious zealots must love OBP
@@praisejesusrepentorlikewis6218 And Jesus does what? He gets on crosses.
@@praisejesusrepentorlikewis6218 I prefer Satan personally.
I remember in little league my coach gave us a similar pep talk where he emphasized how you can win every game without ever hitting a home run, triple, or even double, and that all we need to focus on is getting somebody, ANYBODY, to home plate. I'll never forget when he said "A walk with bases full is exactly the same amount of points as a home run with bases empty."
every MLB player needs to know this before they start swinging for the fences every pitch
Pete Rose style of winning. He played full contact chess on the field.
So true... so true. I'll never forget Ron Washington, when he was skipper for the Rangers said, "it's not always the best team that wins... it's the team that plays the best THAT day".
@@JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke It's like "never take a last place team lightly" in football.
Oooo, that’s a good quote
“We are card counters, at the blackjack table, and we’re gonna turn the odds on the casino.” I loved this line.
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Tell that to Robert De Niro
Sounds like a line from Oceans 11
The single most important line in the scene - in a scene FULL of great dialogue. With this line, screenwriter Aaron Sorkin defines the essence of the entire sequence - with an analogy that draws in the moviegoer who knows NOTHING about baseball.
@@daviddecuir5021 E O Eleven
I like the old guy who understood their place at the table. He’s a man of honor.
Same. I come back to this scene a lot for many reasons, and the old guy is definitely one of them.
Seems more like a kiss-ass trying to protect his job. The others replied with candor and understandable frustration.
@@ericfermin8347 Their frustration is only understandable insofar as you agree with their medieval thinking and stubborn mindsets.
this guy have probably see 5 or 6 different manager so he kinda knows his place in the organization
@@ericfermin8347 you dont give your boss insubordinate candor or frustration unless he directly asks for it; when he tells you straight up this is the new direction for the organization (those are big deal words to pay attention to), you shut the fuck up and get on board or start looking for another job, period end of story full stop
"Check your notes or I'm going to point at Pete..."
LOL. I love this line!
He gets on baseeee
@@davidmckesey7119 And that is all that counts. As Pete had said, they were looking at the game differently.
reports, not notes
LOLLLL I was going to quote this one but ya beat me to it!
Pitt can act. I never thought I'd see the day when I really liked him in a movie.
The fact that this revolutionary change in baseball scouting has brought 7 more professional seasons for an almost finished Scott Hatteburg is so heart-warming.
The fact that Einsteins like you love to post pointless comments starting with 'the fact' is so depressing.
Meanwhile, Poor Mike Magnante was released days before his pension was guaranteed when Billy signed Ricardo Rincon and now he teaches Math at a small High School lol
@@Jack-hd1zn And players know that when they 'sign up for the Big Leagues'... And Management will do what's in the best interest of the Owner(s)... if there's a chance for the players, mebbe that too. Really not much to do, with Magnante's age... couldn't send him down... If it was a deliberate action against him, that's one thing... the way it's portrayed in the movie, it was an afterthought. Sometimes that happens... it just happened to happen to him.
@@Jack-hd1zn He made $5.5 millions 20 years ago, if he got nothing to show for it's on him.
Except Billy forgets that Giambi was roided to the tits. 477 HE WAS JUICED
That old schooler at the end of this scene who humbles everyone by explaining the roles of everyone in the room, the “we make suggestions” guy……. There aren’t enough people like him anymore.
How many people do that in corporate board rooms and executive meetings? Only folks over 50 with humility I suspect.
@@jimbarrofficial I don’t watch news or attend any ‘bored’ meetings, lol! But I think you would agree that most people just want to be heard and deflect blame rather than listen and accept responsibility. Too many type-As out there. And you’re right about the over 50 thing except I would go as high as over 60. I work with some 50 year olds who think the world owes them an ear.
What are you talking about? There are plenty of ass-kissers around.
@@keithmorgan742 That dude was like 93 years old. There’s no one on earth a stone’s throw away from death wasting their time kissing ass. If he were 20-30 years younger, maybe, but that was just a humble guy understanding his role.
@@jimbarrofficial And a good 401k.
"Does Pete need to be here" "Yes he does" Nothing better than validation.
too bad pete was not a real person...he was based off someone but the character itself and his role was all fake...he was based on someone billy took from the indians but he was not this important
@@razkable Paul DePodesta was very important and the one that, along with Bill James's baseball abstract, helped clue Billy into focusing on stats over everything. It was DePodesta who said OBP is 3 times more valuable than BA, and even more valuable than SLG%, an unheard of theory at the time that it was that much more important. Not to mention Paul and the Athletics is what inspired teams like Boston to trust Theo Epstein, who took what Oakland does and applied it with a 100M payroll and won 2 WS with it. Paul is arguably more important than Billy was in the grand scheme of things.
@@razkable too bad people like you always gotta be so cynical and point out shit like this for no reason
@@razkable yes, but he got on base
@@SadMarinersFan And the minute he went to the Dodgers DePodesta abandoned everything and went on a big spending spree with a huge budget and won nothing. He should have thought like he was still with the A's and he would have won.
The older guy with the hearing aid nailed it. GM doesn't answer to the scouts. He's the man. He answers to the owner and God
Right? Of all of them, he was the only one not severely upset. Wisdom is interesting.
Don’t we all answer to god?
The old guy was being sarcastic. Amazing how nobody picked up on that.
He was also an actual real life scout who came back to play the part
@@taekwondotime nah
"Check your reports or I'm gonna point at Pete."
My favorite line in the movie.
The fact that no one thought of this before 2002 is the most mind boggling thing ever.
in the book - your very point - is discussed in depth.
That Baseball scouting and intelligence was deeply flawed and player evaluations were frequently based on unimportant data
Apparently football is worse & still refuses to adopt moneyball strategy. Basketball has… hence the shift to more 3 point shots and other things.
Because back then it was the Yankees then everyone else. Now it’s everyone else then the Yankees.
@@Micloren Paul De Podesta (the guy real guy portrayed as Peter Brand) is a GM for the Browns, so some moneyball concepts are used. Browns have shown improvement, but still struggling.
@@Micloren it doesn’t work the same at all. Baseball is very unique as it’s the only team sport where every matchups is pretty 1 to 1, pitcher vs batter. Defense matters but is only considered on balls in play which is about 66% of the time. And even then the hitting strategy does not change that much. Guys who can hit and get on base vs the average pitcher tend to do that often and reliably.
"We make suggestions, he makes decisions" One of the best lines I've ever heard and it completely sums up being a leader.
I loved that. It's easy to write a group of disgruntled doubters, but having a voice who's like "Hey this isn't our show, we're just advisors" kept it grounded in reality.
That's a guy who knows enough to know Billy wasn't asking, he was telling.
Nah, leader should inspire, not impose its will on their team. This is just a boss. A boss with vision but still a boss.
The only guy in the room with sense is wearing a hearing aid.
@@Braiam Leaders impose their will AND inspire. Every great leader in human history imposed their will on others.
"Why are you still going out with her, after everything she's done to you??"
...Because she gets on base
*she lets me get on all bases haha
Or vice versa
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because we go base to base 69 times a night.
Guys, check your reports, or I'm gonna point at pete
One of the reasons I love this scene and watch over and over, is that besides Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill, no one else looks like a Hollywood actor, like they were picked right out of the Oakland A scouting staff. Makes the whole scene especially authentic.
And to think one of these guys went on to become the Lexington, KY US Marshall's service chief, another went on to become a Boston fire fighter(something about Mary) then nyfd fire station chief(rescue me).
And correct me if I'm wrong, but one other was spotted providing us military support against decepticons in several of their movies as well ......😂😂😂😂
Easily one of Brad Pitts best performances. He nails this character out of the ballpark, pardon the pun.
...and a mixed metaphor, but who's counting?
Tyler Durden for sure.
Brad Pitt nails his character in just about every role he plays. He's an outstanding actor.
I would say that he got this performance on base
Should've won an Oscar for The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
For anyone curious as to how they did, these are the OBPs in 2002 for the 3 players mentioned in the clip:
Je.Giambi: .390
Justice: .376
Hatteberg: .374
They get on base...
Holy mother of God, not a single one of them went BELOW that desired average.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Having runners on base puts pressure on the defense. Basemen have to cover the runner which opens gaps in the infilled, and the pitcher has to throw more strikes. This affects the hitters OBP. Multiple players with good OBP is better than 1 with great OBP because they synergize with each other.
@@chonzen1764 And shit like that is why we pick guys that ONE MORE TIME, JONAH HILL?
"He gets on base."
@@chonzen1764 Very good analysis !
I watched this movie as someone who knows absolutely nothing about Baseball (no, I still have no clue. I come from a cricketing nation.) and was completely blown away by it. The Baseball, to me, was just the glue that held the movie together. Incredible acting, magnificent pacing, and brilliant writing. Jonah Hill really went against character and showed the world how good an actor he is. This movie got very little love when it was first released. I also loved the fact that there was no forced romantic subplot or weird twist. Just high drama about picking the right players and winning games by playing the system better than anyone else.
According to all experts, it won't work in Cricket, but Sri Lanka (where I am from) won the Cricket World Cup in 1996 with a team that had almost no superstars, but had a captain and coach who strategised better than anyone else in the world. The team were 100-1 before the start of the tournament.
The only subplot was him and his daughter.
Check out "Mollys Game" it's the same scriptwriter, also "The Social Network" -his name is Aaron Sorkin
I hope you've seen "Million Dollar Arm", it's about searching for cricket players in India for a chance at MLB pitching. Based on true story as well.
Baseball is a superior game
The atmosphere in this scene feels so unbelievably realistic. Its masterfully done
The atmosphere in this scene feels so unbelievably realistic. Its masterfully done. That subtle quiet "You gotta carry the one" .
I loved this scene. A bunch of real retired scouts came back to do the scene with Pitt. "I don't like him. He got an ugly gf. Means no confidence on the field." 😂
If you want to read a very interesting book about scouting, it's called "The Prophet of the Sandlots" by Mark Winegartner, following a guy who scouted for the Phillies for 50 years (the book doesn't cover 50 years though).
If that were true, Trout should be terrible
@@BobbyCrane i mean scouting is all guesswork. also, sports and people change. so at certain points in your athetic career, your talents may be outdated or not honed. but evolving your game and the sport evolving as well can lead you to be very good for a period of time.
Well, there is some truth and value to that. Certainly the guy isn't an alpha if he is with some 300 pound GF or something. So if the position or sport value aggressive alpha qualities it would all make sense.
@@nealm6764 define alpha for the class
My favorite line of this movie:
*pointing to the notes with his stats*
“If he’s a good hitter why doesn’t he hit good?”
you know thats a big issue with sports it feels like pre 2010's pre advanced analytics being taken seriously...teams used the old model of he is suppose to hit good and this guy is a nobody so we go with rep talent and image more than production..well if the nobody hits better hes a better player period...sorry...
@@razkable it’s not a documentary and it wasn’t advertised as a documentary
@@xergiok2322 That's a possibility. It's not life or death either way
@@ShaunHensley it was ment to be until the new director, Bennett Miller came on and changed the tone of the movie hybridized movie documentary.
@@SadMarinersFan That may or may not be the case, but in life we judge the final product
My heart would swell with pride if an old man respected me enough to accept I had the decision. That level of respect from one's elder is a truly epic moment.
I love how this scene really feels like dudes in a room talking, not just actors in a room acting. It was so well done…
That old man who had brads back is the real OG. TELL EM WHOSE BOSS
He is a real baseball scout
"Seriously guys, I think we have to remember. This is the man. He answers to no one except for ownership and God, and he doesn't have to answer to us. We make suggestions; he makes decisions." @ 4:16
He is a guy that understands that partition, the respect for the organization and teamwork it takes to get behind a singular vision. No doubt, the organization needs to be flexible to hear out those concerns, but still hear the man out. Hear the evidence out.
@@ryanotte6737 Except... "none of those guys play first base". They were simply doing things how they were taught. It wasn't wrong, per se, it was one side saw things a certain way and the new management saw it a different way. They were still doing their job, through and through, but the intangibles and the vision is what made the difference, IMO.
Edit- I re-read and see we might have been saying something similar. My bad, but I wanted to put my 2cents in.
@@lordec911 Yeah, I think on the same wavelength. The point is that teamwork involves having an environment where input can be heard, but respecting that we all gotta bite down and get behind that singular vision where needed. Eventually, the boss takes responsibility for the outcome of the decision, and we get down to brass tacks making that outcome as optimal as possible.
Who's*
"Lucky to get 60 games out of him". Justice played 118 games that season. Avg 266. OBP (which was all they cared about) 376 (just 2 tenths of a point below his career average). So they got almost twice as many games as this character predicts with an OBP consistent with some of his best years.
To the extent that the baseball establishment predicted Justice was a long way from performing at his peak level... they were wrong. By emphasizing his ability to stretch out the at-bat and draw walks, Justice ended his career with one of his strongest seasons. His ratio of walks to strikeouts for his final season was one of the best of his career.
the beauty of baseball!
Justice's WAR that season was 1.6 so while he might've been better than they predicted it was far from being on par with one of his seasons when he was with the Braves.
Hollywood movie, not a documentary. Who knows what they actually thought... Also, case in point: Jeremy Giambi was already an Oakland Athletic prior to 2002. It's like they completely ignored the Jeter flip play from the series that was documented at the start of this movie 😂
@@joemckim1183 Illustrating why WAR is so frequently criticized by Bill James.
Wow, thanks for sharing the stats
“recreate him in the aggregate”
“in the what?”
This movie is a fine example of how you don't need huge, insane, budgets, explosions, and special effects to make a good movie. And the only big "star" you have is Pitt - and he was one of the producers. Character-driven. Well-acted. Well-directed. Everything comes together here. Goes to show that talent wins.
Another good example is The Big Short - also one of Pitt's smaller films.
I like that and The Big Short too.
That subtle quiet "You gotta carry the one" 😆🤣
Haha I know, that cracked me up.
Ya, caught that too lol
The guy who plays brady is incredibly underrated in this film. He literally matches Pitt and Hill's acting and almost owns the scene in my opinion. he displays annoyance and jealousy so damn well. My brother and I often quote, "That sounds like fortune cookie wisdom to me billy."
I looked this actor up on IMDB. He's got that face that's great for playing cops.
In an earlier comment, someone said that he was actually a baseball scout at one point who became an actor. If that's true, then that explains it!
He was a scout for the Cardinals and OSU for a couple decades before going full time in acting.
Kennard Medlock. Underrated character actor. And a former ballplayer himself, was in a bunch of baseball movies.
Pretty sure it's Grady*
I love the camera work in this. It's like somebody was taping an actual strategy session, in and out of focus, heads bobbing in and out of the shot, camera moving back and forth between the people talking. So realistic.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
It's the same style that's used in Succession and Winning Time, also Adam McCay.
'you got to carry the one' is my favourite line is this film
I love the line "That's Pete".
Definitely a reference to the earlier scene when Billy asks him "who the hell are you?" and he just keeps answering "I'm Pete"
"We make suggestions, he makes decisions". One of my favorite lines.
Said from the guy that didn’t want to update his resume or file for unemployment
I think the reason I like BP in the role so much, is he doesn't over act anything. This feels real. This doesn't feel like a movie scene, I feel like a fly on the wall as I watch this. Great scene, great movie.
I like that a lot of what the scouts said did come back to Billy eventually, 1) Giambi's attitude WAS bad for the team 2) Hatteburgs home run. Because he wasn't brought to the team to hit game winning home runs, he was brought on to get a base hit or a walk. Baseball is unpredictable, the most beautiful thing about baseball is that a man that was probably about to retire as a free agent with a messed up elbow hits a walk off home run to cap off the biggest winning streak in a century. On a team he shouldn't have been on playing a position he doesnt know. That's what baseball is. You can become a hero with just one very loud crack.
Very well said.
This movie holds up. Billy Beane didn’t perfect this nerd formula for baseball but he was certainly on to something. This is how the game is managed now.
the movie did a hatchet job on Art Howe. No one ever apologized to him
The Red Sox used it 2 years later and they won the World Series
Statistics and probability.
Same reason there's so many 3 pointers in basketball now. If you make 33% of your three-pointers you'll score more than if you make 50% of you're 2 pointers.
Whoever said we would never use math as adults?
It is certainly how the game is managed and statistically it is effective in the long run. We can have a discussion on whether it is effective in the postseason, that is a completely different argument. What we know for sure is that it is also why the game has gotten so boring. Just like Billy said here, he wants those players because they get on base, he doesn't care if it is with a hit or a walk. You know who do cares? The viewer watching the game, a walk is boring, a hit has the potential to be exciting. The game needs more action and these strategies although effective, limit the action in the game.
@@unclejake1476 Let's say you take 100 shots:
If you make 50% of your 2-pointers (50 x 2): 100 pts.
If you make 33% of your 3-pointers (33 x 3): 99 pts.
Might want to check your math on that one, bud. And stick to the 2-pointers while you're at it, too.
Just appreciate that despite these guys being old thinkers, they have an absolutely Amazing FULL analysis of every single player mentioned. There wasn't a player you could throw on the board that they didn't have knowledge and an extensive background on.
And to top it all off, it was Pete who discovered an overlooked and tremendous portion of that analysis that could be used in their favor despite the heaping amounts of cons and negatives with each player.
except for Scott Hatteburg lol
Someone "who'd" Hatteburg but otherwise, yeah. And the best part was none of them mentioned the player's girlfriends or how good looking they were like in the other Moneyball clip with the scouts.
@@abecx who?
The point of the entire movie / book was that their "knowledge" was flat-out wrong, both in theory and in hindsight. Instead of using mathematics, research, and analysis, front offices ignored sabermetrics for three decades and relied almost solely on their emotions. Imagine passing on Altuve because he's short.
Except their analysis was shit! The whole point is that their analysis was based on dinosaur era attributes.
Like in the previous scene one of them says that he likes the sound that his hits make. Does that win you a game? NOOOOOO! One of those clown even says that one player's girlfriend is 6 at best, which means he has low self-esteem and would not make a good addition to the team. Total bullshit!
The way the marker cover flips after Billy spits it on the desk always kills me 🤣
I appreciate the oldest looking guy among all those old guys telling everybody to cool it and let Billy make the decisions. He might not get it but he gets it.
Scott Hatteburg.
Who?
Star Lord man. The legendary outlaw.
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Met Scott and his family at his home to do install some blinds while this entire scene was happening. Saw his life size All Star poster in his man cave of sorts. Looked at him, said, is that you? Yep!
I played high school ball work Scott hatteburg and his little brother. He was awesome.
"THIS is NOT a discussion"
"...what are we discussing?"
"Barry, not a discussion" 😂
Haha
“We make suggestions, he makes decisions”. The wise old man gets it, the GM is the man and doesn’t have to yield to the scouts.
“Old man Justice?!”
Bruh everyone in that room is probably twice the age of Justice with the exception of Pete.
"...and we need people that can play"
Wow, riveting philosophy.
This was the point where baseball scouting went from being guesswork with the odds shifted a little by experience and intelligent guesswork, to a rigorous, scientific process. There were two people in the room who knew where things were going (strictly speaking, one who knew because he is the one who came up with the process, and one who was hoping it would work, because he would be fired if it didn't). While the rest of the attendees were present for the start of the final phase of their careers, and not many seemed to realise it.
Mostly I love how a veteran scout doesn't know what the word "aggregate" means.
And it ended up with most of the MLB teams hiring their own quants and crunching not only primary statistics bus secondary and tertiary numbers trying to squeeze even the slightest edge that other teams were missing.
The dude with the hearing aids was smart about it though. Recognized that his job was to assist the GM however he could.
You just summed up the whole movie
Analytics are just great for Baseball. The game is so improved. Starting pitchers pitching more than 4 innings is boring.
I love this atmosphere. Because it reminds me of my work with an office meeting 😂
I love the way that when Billy (Pitt) is writing Hatteburg on the magnetic strip, the camera flashes over the guy at the end of the table. For a split second the focus adjusts and you can see behind him a yellow strip that says “Pratt. C” on it.
Now, I don’t know anything about baseball, so this C. Pratt could be an Oakland A’s player, but the fact that Chris Pratt is playing Scott Hatteburg is really fucking cool. Even if it wasn’t intentional, I absolutely love it.
"Boston wants to cut him and no one wants to pick him up." "That is good for us, he is cheap." The other coaches uses emotion, but Pitt uses logic
Too bad he's only won 1 playoff series in 20 years.
He used logic that Pete hipped him to!
@Veer Shanky nope.
@@georgeprchal3924 it is. But money plays a huge role
@@jakestakes9075 the A's are cheap, nothing'll change that.
“Scott Hattaberg? Who?”
“Exactly, sounds like an Oakland A already” 😂
Such a fantastic scene, because of the varying personalities in the room. Also, it was important for the older scout to inform everyone in the room who the boss really was...nice ! 👍
3:02 “Scott Hatteburg”
“Who?”
“Sounds like an Oakland A already”
😂
Ron Washington finally got. A ring after 40+ yrs in baseball, so glad for him.
LOVE IT
Miss him in Texas for sure...
"Whooo?.."
"Exactly. Sounds like an Oakland A already"
The best line from this
Underrated facet of this scene: that Billy writes every player in sharpie and then throws the magnet at the board irreverently.
1:58 is what my bosses say about me during meetings
😂
I'm Norwegian and don't have a clue about baseball, but I still think this is a really good movie.
The greatest example of editing you will EVER see! This is a lesson on change and how everyone reacts to it. It's all of us in that room. The overriding theme in this scene is how everyone was focusing on physical attributes" "thick around the waist", "legs are gone", "bat speed", "unrepairable nerve damage." This scene is brilliant!
Everybody knows you can be fat and out of shape and still crush it at the ”sport” of baseball
The problem with the scene is the problem with the movie. If a player can get on base, but is a defensive liability, how many runs is he gonna give up to opponents. Did the Moneyball approach ever work on defense. This movie makes it sound like all Billy Beane needed to win was cheap hitters. In real life, that proved categorically false.
I have embraced analytics because I sought out books on the How and Why. Analytics makes absolute sense. Want a solid example? I watched the Arizona Fall League games this winter. This league ELIMINATED the infield shift in an effort to get more offense back in the game. THIS WAS DONE BECAUSE ANALYTICS SO OVERWHELMING TELL YOU WHERE INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS HIT THE BALL.
@@curtmcguire5431 Not criticizing analytics so much as saying that the arguments made in the movie are one sided and ring false.
@@curtmcguire5431 Interesting. How did they eliminate the shift? Require 2 players on each side of 2nd base? Used to love the AZ Fall league and haven't made it out in several years.
Every time I rewatch this movie, it just gets better and better! It’s now one of my favorite baseball movies.
If you really notice the subtlety in this scene, every time the scouts mention what's wrong with the player, they are mentioning size, age, attitude, injury history, defensive ability. None of these things are relevant to who they are replacing (Giambi). Giambi was a DH/1b, that position requires the least amount of athletic ability of any position on the field and they rarely have to throw during a play. So Hatteburg and Jeremy Giambi could hold that position down for a fraction of the price.
They were saying David Justice's legs won't last, he was going to be nothing more than a DH, he would get 4 at-bats against right handed pitchers during a game, and never have to play the field.
But they were so entrenched with finding "baseball players" when all they needed was to replace the production.
I went to MCHS with Billy Beane, class of 1980. Nice guy. He enters class reunions charisma first.
Lol I had to look up which school that was because where I graduated has the same acronym. Would have kicked myself if someone like him went to my old school and I didn't know.
@@AnoterosHershy Billy and I had health/driver's ed (one class) together. Coach Jolk was the teacher. I found out Billy was famous from an article in an 'in flight' magazine on an airplane.
As a connoisseur of Brad Pitt throwing things this movie ranks right up with Fight Club
Bruh. I'm smelling what you're stepping in. That beer bottle gutter toss is choice.
@@chickenpotes or when he hurls the rubber glove across the kitchen after hitting Ed Norton with the lye. Someone should really make a super cut of this
As far as Brad Pitt throwing things goes, nothing can beat his spear toss in Troy.
@@nrkgalt yes that's a good throw!
Are you also a connoisseur of Brad Pitt eating things? Ocean's Eleven had some prime moments.
"When I point you...yah" gotta love pete and billy's chemistry😂
The subtleties of good acting are flawless. It's the little things that allow you to forget you're watching a movie. I've been in board meeting (telecommunications) and the pacing and beat of this scene was spot on. "That's Pete" 'Yes he does" while removing the marking top and spitting it out. No one overly talking trying to create unnecessary banter. The undertones of change to their new lives. PERFECT scene.
They should have had Pete indicate through body language that he knew that he had "arrived."
But I think Pete should have reacted more to the news that he has "arrived." Not in an arrogant, cocky way, perhaps in a relaxed way.
3:03 - 3:06 is probably one of the funniest things I've ever heard in a movie.
Scout: Billy he's got a clubbed hand and is missing both of his legs. Why do you want him?
Billy: Guys look at the report or I'm going to point at Pete.
All the Scouts: ...He gets on base
Billy: He gets on base!
I choked on my lunch reading this
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*Scout:* "Billy I know what the stats say but honestly I am struggling to understand how he gets on base with no legs. Literally the man must be carried to the toilet every time his bladder is full of Tang, which he does drink. Exclusively. That's another thing. How is this guy not a diabetic in a coma? Seriously, can an MLB team field men who defy the laws of physics?"
*Billy:* "Pete, do I care about the laws of physics?"
*Pete:* "You do not. The Tang thing is a bit concerning though."
He's got a humped back and he beats me, but he has a lot of money so we're gonna work it out.
@@praisejesusrepentorlikewis6218 buzz off clown
This scene in my opinion this scene is the best acting of Jonah Hill's career. He says just 4 words yet he owns this entire scene. The writing is excellent and collapses into 4 words the essence of the entire film. Hill is both the hammer and the nail that makes it work. What 4 words do you remember about Moneyball? He gets on base.
Overall Pitt and Hill have what critics call chemistry and Hill who I am not a fan of both matches and compliments Pitt in this film.
Hill withdrew into the character. He is vulnerable and confident at the same time without apology. Brilliant.
Eh no, you are just confusing acting with cool scenes...
@@majormononoke8958 Lol after watching the latest Hill movie (with Eddie Murphy) which he apparently wrote and produced, I see your point. A great actor he is not.
"That doesn't look right -- that doesn't come out right."
"You've got to carry the 1..."
I always love hearing the small background and side conversations in a movie.
Any of those guys ever heard of a calculator?
What I like about this movie is that we can clearly notice Sorkin's dialogue, but the performances actually make it sound realistic. Not that I don't like his usual impossibly fast conversations, but it's nice too see his characters talking like real people for a change.
Actually most of them weren't actors. Hence very authentic.
I personally hate the way Aaron Sorkin dialogue is usually delivered, every character always ends up sounding the same, and it gets annoying incredibly quickly. I love Moneyball because it's one of the rare exceptions to that.
Glad someone knew what baseball is really about.
1) heart to play the game.
2) get on base.
I pitched in college and beyond a little. In summer leagues I batted 3rd, was usually second in home runs and possibly first in getting on base.
I'd sneak in on batting practice in college until the coach yelled at me to 'get the hell out of there!' In college I batted a grand total of twice. I hit two doubles. Both times I stood on second and just glared at the coach. 🤷🤷🤷
Moneyball: The story of how the best rotation in baseball, an MVP at shortstop, a gold glove third baseman, and Scott Hatteburg made it to the wild card round.
@@John-mw8fw the twins eliminated the A’s in 02…
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Thank you captain obvious
Your point is taken, but you still have to give them credit for the fact that they did it on a shoestring, for far less than clubs that had even worse records. Recall John Henry's speech near the end of the film.
This is where the movie fails Moneyball, the acquisition of every single one of those players was Moneyball.
Moneyball didn’t start in 2002. Not only was Billy been doing it the moment he became GM, the previous GM had begun conservatively instituting aspects of it himself.
Finding the bargains let them extend the championship window. You are being negative for no reason.
Baseball is meaningless to me and I love this entire film. This scene right here is amazing
Same. Baseball is lame. This movie is excellent.
No the movie glorifies analytics that are ruining sports in general.
@@georgeprchal3924 It's not analytics that ruin the sport - but what analytics does is expose weaknesses in the rules that can (and will) get exploited. Take basketball, for example. A three-pointer is a more valuable shot (50% more valuable than a two-pointer, which is too large of a margin), which has become a huge problem and greatly reduced the game's watchability. But the fault lies within the game's rules. If a long-range shot were worth 4 points and a shot from within the arc would count for three, then we wouldn't have the problem we have today. Because the margin of value would go down from 50% to only 33.3%. It's not the coach's, gm's or player's fault that the system is flawed. You can't criticize them for trying to maximize their chances to win games, which, in the end, is what gets them their payday.
@@georgeprchal3924 Analytics/Moneyball only works in baseball where there are a lot of players on a team roster, a lot of games in a season, and the team salary pool is not equitable. It's also only for the regular season. Doesn't apply to the post season.
Most of my favorite movies are biopics like this one. Here's a few more really good ones if you haven't seen them yet: Erin Brockovich, Dark Waters, Molly's Game, The Big Short, Ford v Ferrari, Hacksaw Ridge.
Such an underrated film with a deceptive premise. It fit the subject matter perfectly, as fans and non-fans alike were shown, step-by-step, the evolution of an entire sport.
“Scott Hatteberg”
“WHO?”
“Exactly. He sounds like an Oakland A already”
I love that line
When you really think about it, it’s actually funny how all those guys were so flabbergasted at a gm wanted a guy who gets on base for his baseball team.
In the end, the old men were right and proved Billy and his number cruncher wrong. Jeremy Giambi could get on base but had no other baseball skills whatsoever. He got on base and will forever be remembered as not knowing how to run bases and slide and made Derek Jeter's mystique grow at a much faster rate on just one play.
The oldest guy in the room was the only one to point out what they’re actually there for, props to him for having that wisdom!
The thing is, they already knew that. These are old hands, they know who makes the final decisions. Anyone who has worked any job knows how it works. I found it to be an unnecessary line. The way these guys were frustrated shows they know who has the power.
@@kookville4937 They were frustrated because they did a lot of work for nothing, not because they knew Billy had the power. For years they collaborated but now Billy has decided to make unilateral decisions which he has always been entitled to do and yet they're not used to that. They did need to be reminded and the only one who ended up holding the grudge was the lead scout who ended up getting fired anyways. The rest fell in line after that reminder.
So apparent when a movie is crafted instead of just thrown together with a lot of special effects and attractive people. This was just one great scene in a great movie.
Right ? Pete is a crafted dude with a fart machine and smart guy who draws phalluses.
All the scouts in this scene are fantastic. And the way it's shot. If I didn't recognize the faces of some of these guys I'd swear this was a docco.
I actually love the line: you gotta carry the one
"Does Pete really need to be here?" Yeah. I'm the GM. It's my meeting. So yeah, if I want him, he needs to be here.
Yeah I always hated that, I'd have answered with "Do you really need to be here?" Then told him to go get me a soft pretzel and hurry the fuck up about it.
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One of the greatest scenes ever for business and life - about asking the right question and changing paradigms
Thinking outside of the box..
and simultaneously ruining the product
@@surfinganddancing1609 I don't think figuring out how to win, is ruining the product in baseball.
This whole scene, the back and forth, pure poetry!
In 2002
Justice played in 118 games & his OBP was .376
Hatteberg OBP .374 & his BA was .280
Jeremy Giambi OBP .390
Eric Chávez hit 31-HR 109-RBI
Miguel Tejada hit 34-HR 131-RBI
Jermaine Dye hit 24-HR 86-RBI
Barry Zito went 24-5
Tim Hudson 15-9
Mark Mulder 19-7
Record was 103-59 finished 1st AL west
Lost in AL division series vs Minnesota Twins (3-2)
Heck of season!!!
I love the part in the beginning before Brad Pitt starts talking. You can see him thinking in my head, "am I really going to do this $hit...? Yep, let's do it..."
Love the contrast in this scene between the old way of thinking which takes into account unimportant factors (pitching motion, off-field, looks, etc.) and the new analytics-driven thinking, but the issue raised about one of the guys only being able to play 60 games seems to be totally legitimate. Without knowing to much about baseball analytics, it seems that someone's value-added is more or less directly proportional to the number of games they play in, which seems like something analytics should definitely care about. Can't get on base if you're not playing
Get 60 games out of a guy and release him. Trade him. You account for the current need amd adjust.
Well only God knows how many games he can play in a year. That guy was just pulling numbers out of his ass
how many game did david justice play that year?
David Justice for a pittance is a guy you roll the dice on.
@@dagobaker 118 games
Cinimaticaly, this is a great scene. It displays the friction between a new idea and an established way of doing things. I've seen scenarios like this play out before. I also think there is a demonstration of a lack of leadership on the part of the Billy Bean character that I have seen play out this way in real life too. I'm talking about the way the Bean character starts implementing the new strategy without, apparently, introducing the new ideas to his team of scouts. He set up this unnecessary conflict. Leaders sometimes do this for several reasons. First, to keep the rest of the team on the wrong foot. When they look out of step the leader looks like the only one with a clue, and thus, indispensable and valuable. Second, when things go right there is no need to share the credit. Third, when things go wrong you can blame a team, or members of it, that did not buy into the program. It makes it easier to replace parts of the team that the leader may have wanted to replace from the beginning.
A stronger leader would have educated the team on the new strategy. He would have given them ample time and resources to learn about it and think it over. He could have addressed their concerns before the time to make the roster.
You see the Bean character acknowledge this on the scene where he discusses with the Art Howe character that Howe wasn't playing Hatteberg on 1st base. Bean acknowledges that he should have informed Howe about the strategy from the beginning.
What a great comment. The human capacity for excellence is massive yet we create totally avoidable stress and friction. We undermine ourselves and others by shortchanging the efforts necessary and cannot wait to be free of the task just so we can do the next one just as poorly. And we are totally unaware of it and just call it normal.
" I also think there is a demonstration of a lack of leadership on the part of the Billy Bean character..."
Nope.
It displays that if the scene hadn't been written like that, there would be no drama.
In a movie, that is a studio killer.
If you do everything right, there is no conflict.
Kinda hard to grow a character in a story without that.
The writers made the correct decision.
@@bugwar5545exactly. It wasn't actually like this in real life. They just did it to have some conflict in the movie.
An excellent film. I was not a Pitt fan until I watched this movie. This part could not have been played any better by anyone.
One of my favorite books ever- it's more about thinking differently and changing your historic behaviors than it is about baseball. The movie definitely took some liberties with the facts for entertainment purposes, but it does need to be pointed out that all three of the players mentioned in this scene ended up with OBP's over .364..... exactly as predicted. Hatteberg had a .374 OBP, Giambi was at .390 and Justice came in at .376.
i particularly like your comment. why? because when i first read jim bouton's "ball four" i thought it was a book about employer/employee relationships, not baseball. and i agree wholeheartedly with you here. baseball is the context but the story is really about something else.
Michael Lewis writes outstanding books like Sandy Koufax threw strikeouts.
David Justice sure can get on base. 70 walks and only 66 strikeouts for the A's in his last mlb season. 903 BB and 999 SO with a .378 OBP for his career.
What does that mean in english?
@@mikemanning5019 He gets on base.
Pete?
@@ckelcro .279 BA stinks
@@hennagaijin100- .378 OBP does not.
It doesn't matter how they get on base.
"David Justice"
"Oh no"
LMAO!!
This is the dynamic I see in business all the time. If you make decisions on looks, feelings, people's performance alone, you fail. You run the numbers and you make your business succeed. Pissed off a lot of those people, their feelings, etc., but we're still open for business.
"guys check the reports or I'm going to point at Pete."
that threat gets me back to this scene every time XD
3:08 as he mentions Scott Hatteberg and camera pans you can see "Pratt C" in gold name plate on the whiteboard behind the coach.
I wonder how much of a coincidence this was, seeing as Todd Pratt was in fact a catcher for the Phillies at this time...
The C means catcher. So not referencing Chris Pratt, but it is a cool coincidence.
So many good ones in the movie, but this is definitely one of the best scenes. Good job at setting the tone & backs up the decision to recruit Pete.
My dad taught my team that in little league. "I don't care how you do it. Get. On. Base." And he could not have been more right.
It's funny because "Scott Hattiesburg, who?" Also defined Chris Pratt at the time. Now...We know who Chris Pratt is. This movie was the first to make me really recognize Chris as an actor.
The small detail of a label, “Pratt C,” on one of the boards.