Why I Don't Throw Far in Disc Golf Part 3 | Beginner Distance Tips
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- Confession time: My name is Robbie Crawford...and I want to throw far. I know I'm not alone in this confession, because at the end of the day if given the choice to throw further few people would say no. Yet when it comes to what it takes to actually start throwing farther few of us are willing to put in the work required to reach that goal.
I wanted to do a distance series that addresses some of the common hangups I've run into when it comes to reaching max distance, as well as create a pact with each of you who is willing. I'm not promising that you'll be throwing 400 feet by the end of this series, but I do believe we can look at some things that are keeping us from throwing our maximum distance. We're going to highlight these issues, and start down the road towards fixing them one throw at a time. Our third issue is all about the secret sauce that brings all of our form issues and successes together. What's the issue? You'll have to watch to find out!!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:24 Setting the Table
1:57 Mistake One
6:35 ANNOUNCEMENT!!
8:02 Mistake Two
10:28 Wrap Up
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I have fallen in love with so many Axiom discs. I recommend trying most of them. I thought nothing would replace my Buzzzes for a straight mid, but the Hex did just that.
Im interested. I used to throw rocs because that's what i was given when i started but I've been a buzz fan for about 7 years, the emac truth was decent. What is so much better about the hex?
The hex is a completely different disc than the emac truth. The truth goes straight amd then fades at the end and I can flex it a little bit and still get the fade. The hex is a fully straight flyer for me when thrown flat but It will hold whatever angle you throw it on. It has become my main Midrange and I use it for approach shots that need to go dead straight
Definitely recommend the hex. I used to bag a buzzz ss but hex replaced it. Still bag an eMac truth if I need a little more stability but the hex is my go to mid.
I love the MVP Inertia as an understable fairway driver. It's an absolute BOMBER for being a 9 speed and actually does have a reliable fade at the end. It was out of stock for like 18 months but they started making a ton of them this year and i couldn't be happier
Also the new discmania originals FD is maybe a perfect disk. Last two - Kastaplast Svea is a very fun, super glidy understable mid and for me the MVP volt is just about the perfect forehand disc (and complements the Firebird)
As you are throwing a mixed bag, are you going to do another build a bag series? I absolutely loved that series and the thought process behind which discs you picked. Going for workable as the main deciding factor is why I switched from teebirds to eagles. Keep up the good work!
second this notion!!
great idea, I use so many brands
Hi robbie, i do have a suggestion. Im currently tinkering with my form (as we all are). For context, On a normal day i can get a buzzz confidently 320 and a zues if need be about 360. Ive had a couple light bulb fieldwork days that have gotten me a few drives out to about 450-475. (That distance has only happened 3 times in one none windy field day. Its a flickering lightbuld that im ever searching for again.) The light buld first happened with the scott stokely video How to throw flat backhand at ~10 min. He talks about this crazy anhyser roller drill that basicaly forces the arm to snap. When i took that to the field i noticed two things. #1 Yes there was an alien amount of spin and force that was put on the disc. #2 The disc felt incredibly heavy like the disc was trying to pivot hard around my fingers.
I noticed in normal rounds after that, that my normal throw is, just as you described, way too fast at the start and my hand cant hold on. the disc loses speed and spin.
Since then ive been attempting to recreate that heavy sensation and retrain the muscle memory by starting at the tip of the whip and working backwards.
Basically i start standstill with my arm straight with a power grip, disc nose down and with little backwards movement. try to hold onto the disc as long as possible before it inevitably rips out of my hand. (cuation: at slow speeds this hurts like a mother) If you try it you will undertsand. But you will feel that exponentialy increase in heavyness. Then it is just a matter of slowly incorporating elbow until you can fully bend that elbow and still feel the heavy sensation and then woking in the shoulder turn and on dow the chain.
It essentially boils down to, you want to figure out how to keep the disc in your hand as long as possible. Ever notice how a grip lock goes further than your regular shots?
Ive since seen a steady increase in my power and accuracy becuase it changes my entire form. At the moment i can now throw a buzzz on 360 ft holes and the zues relatively accurate to about 410.
If any one actually reads this mountain of text, Nice to meet ya and how do you do. Also if this piques your interest and have questions. Please dont hesitate to ask.
if the disc feels heavy in your hand you need to tighten your grip. Scott stokely talks about lag creating snap so you can go fast at the start but as your crossing your x step you need to figure out how to keep your bottom half going fast while lagging your arm and shoulders. Also stokely talks about in order to get big distance he goes faster than normal and adds a hop in his x step. So if you try throwing like him you'll fail. Grip lock is called grip lock for a reason. You're planting towards the basket. Simon on his 1100ft throw he releases the disc at 10 o clock not grip lock. There's a lot of stuff your trying to teach a coach but Robbie c has an actual coach. Not a CZcams comment coach with internet distance. Grip locking doesn't add 125ft.
And if your throwing a distance driver only 50ft farther than a mid range you 1 can't throw a buzzz 360 because that requires an arm speed of 60mph and low and behold that's how much speed it takes to make a zeus go 600
@@theemonegro did you watch the part of the video I suggested? Robbie mentioned how there isn't much in the form of coaching and regularly asks for tips to be placed in the comments. I agree the 10 o'clock part is a key part of the distance and it is what I try to mimic as well. I was merely mentioning my experience in initially identifying that snap as until you feel it once, you dont know what to look for. I said I'm still working through it and can now comfortably throw a buzzz 360. I have a range finder That says so. I think the zues is more a matter of having trouble holding onto the wider rim and losing nose angle integrity for now but it only gets me about 50 extra feet for now.
I did not mean to offend you. And by him liking my comment I'll assume I didn't offend him either.
Love that you used a reactor. nice! I would give the crave or photon a try.
As always, great coaching tips! I appreciate how relatable you are for us brother.
This series has been so helpful to me - finally getting a lot more effortless distance. Appreciate you!
Getting a notification that you've uploaded a video makes my day. EVERY TIME
Another amazing video. I think disc golf is new enough and people are different enough that even though there are basic form do’s and don’t’s there are freedoms within those form guidelines that allow for body types and physical limitations. And you do the best at keeping things as general and helpful as possible. Thank you!
This video series has helped me the most out of any so far. Your information delivery is great! You got me focusing on the important aspects of the throw. I owe you a beer, sir.
Good stuff! I'm new and learning a lot from online coaches and yours are informative, entertaining, and don't get too far in the weeds before focusing on the the actual tips I'm looking for.
I've watched a ton of form videos, this is the one that really clicked for me. Thank you so much.
I think being sponsored is such a cool thing, but as a lover of a ton of brands I think it's awesome that you're going to throw what works for you.
Bold move man! Do what’s right for you. Congrats!
Love all your content. Very informative and helpful on my journey of being a great older man disc golfer.
Video editing is on point. I've always loved this style of editing as it cuts out so much empty time in a video while getting as much info packed in as possible.
I absolutely love any content you decide to grace us with, I was hoping that instead of going over just individual discs could you do a series about the different plastics for a company? It gets confusing sometimes trying to remember each companies plastic, their names, an what they do to the disc. Thanks for all you do my dude!!
Kastaplast Järn is a great mid. I lost my Gator3, used a tactic for a round when I lost it (also in a small pond 😂) and then bought the Järn. I’m really loving it.
Robbie you are the best, keep up the awesome sauce !
Superb news and look Sir Rob.
My recommendation would be MVP molds. The Crave, Volt, Photon, Pyro, Entropy, Trace, and of course the Envy. These are all great in premium plastic and Fission (for the ones that are in it). These are all go to discs in my bag and it would be cool to see you try them out.
Don’t forget the Wave! All great discs.
@@chadhasler1913 and the octane.
And the Terra, and the uplink!
Pyro is a spectacular disc! I also love the MVP Amp!
The Crave and the Volt are good on backhand and forehand and I'm sure there are other MVP molds that meet that mark.
I coached gymnastics for 16 years and that sport has been around for literally thousands of years. Yet the way we understand form, technique, and how the body moves changes and improves almost every year. New ideas and new techniques lead to better, safer, and more powerful skills and even new skills never before seen being performed at nearly every Olympics. Disc golf is an extremely young sport and I’m excited to see how form will evolve as the sport matures.
You should try the grace from latitude 64!
try all of the latitude 64 discs, they have some great ones!
I see your point. I tried watching a lot of different people and I keep coming back to you. The only thing I want to accomplished is consistent 300 feet and I'll be very happy with that.
DGA Sail: Way understable distance driver that can give you some added distance. I throw mine ~50ft past where I can send a Wraith.
Kastaplast Kaxe Z: A lovely point and shoot disc. Feels like the child of a Leopard and a Buzz. My "if I only had one disc..." disc.
The grace is slowly becoming one of my favorite distance drivers. The insanity has been my main fairway/control driver for close to 7 months now. Most consistent throwing disc in my bag.
Streamline trace is a nice wraith pivot as well as the axiom insanity in glow plastic. Paige Pierce passion in the premium plastic is just too good.
Robbie how the heck do you know exactly what I need to work on? Timing was exactly what I needed. I was looking at my videos of my form and I was reaching back too early. Went out to the field and that felt way more natural and smooth. Added like 30 feet to my distance! Since you started this whole level up series I’ve gone from struggling to reach 200ft with any disc to throwing putters 200ft with ease and starting to get to 300ft with drivers. Putting is getting there as well. Thank you so much for your clear tips that break things down onto small steps to work on. I hope your channel keeps growing and becomes even more successful!
Honestly, a couple of sleepers that are worth a try just because are the RPM Huiah and the Infinite Anubis. Both are very different discs that have different utility but are also lesser known. I think that your move to an open bag is appropriate and means better content for us, so thank you. Your videos are super helpful and crazy enjoyable. You are awesome!
I appreciate your videos man. As a player who took a decade off and is slowly getting back into and pretty much only use forehand I really like innovas mamba
Robbie a disc I would like to see you try is the sword! I love it and have three! I use the Vip for hyzer flips the tournament x for strait to slightly OS and the new glimmer masters sword for OS sword
I love the sword. It’s super easy to use. Similar to you I use VIP for hyper flip or anhyzer and tournament for straight shots. Haven’t tried the glimmer plastic though. Great disc!
@@Dopey313 they have the erika stinchcomb glimmer master sword on skybreed discs right now!!! It will be your headwind disc
Neutral/Understable distance drivers bomb. Sword is awesome! One of my favorites
thanks for the tips, random field dude! gonna hopefully play some new courses this weekend and do some perfectly-timed kapooshes.
I wondered if you had moved to an open bag considering the new podcast. Happy for you and love that you’ve been doing stuff at the dynamic discs store. I’m from Kansas so I’ve been trying to add some of their plastic to my bag as a newer player. They’re awesome for the sport and my state!
Another great video, Robbie! It would be great to see a video that takes a deeper dive about timing during the x-step throw.
That Bounty you were holding has become my favorite disc. Works great for me and right behind it would be the EMAC Truth. Those two handle most of my mid-range shots.
Grace, Evader and Explorer. All super solid molds 👍🏻
The mistake two feels like when people say slow down, being slow makes you fast. Except it feel like you broke it down better, sure you need to slow to feel the timing, but there are more things that need to happen. Great video!
MVP has some outstanding discs! Absolutely love my Inertia!
A direct replacement for the Wombat3 for me was a Kastaplast Svea. Such a great flip up disc with lots of glide, closest flight to a wombat 3 that I’ve found yet
Robbie! I've been a big fan since the way back! I'm so excited hearing you throwing out of a mixed bag! I'm reaching out to hear your opinion specifically on some good discs for that 9, 10 speed arm, and as an mvp fan it'd be awesome to see the mvp of disc golf channels! Just 2 disc that I really feel differently than anything else I've thrown in the same categories. The neutron axiom proxy, and the neutron mvp inertia. They're often overlooked, and if you have the opportunity to try them, even if for only 1 round, I feel like we'd end up seeing them on Robby C's next building a bag series! Keep up all the great good that you do for the community!
Love that your rocking a open bag now! Would be cool to see you throw a gatekeeper, by far my favorite mold
I like your "not every tip works for everyone " advice. I'm one of those that don't do a full reachback. When I do...the disc is getting shanked.
Love the compact release...dialed in
My recommendation would be the grace and the rive. I love both of them and they did so much for me. You should definitely try them.
Also thanks for all the content. Love your channel
I've been absolutely loving the mvp/axiom discs. Envy, Glow Envy, Hex, Reactor, Insanity, Glow insanity, Fireball in my bag at the moment.
I have become to really love my MVP discs I bag: Envy in electron firm, Nomad in the Plasma and electron soft, and the buttery smooth paradox in the neutron plastic.
Hey Robbie, love the channel and the series. I feel like it would be really helpful for me to see what you're talking about in action. Like a slow mo with commentary on when to engage the swing thoughts you presented us with.
I have this issue where my arm straightens out during the time that it should be forming the power pocket. I just absolutely can not prevent that when I throw a regular power shot, and I'd love to have some swing thoughts during my throw to try to guide me to where I need to be. I am hard stuck at about 375 (or 400 when I absolutely rip) but interestingly my throw looks super smooth and casual to people watching me even though I don't feel that way... That's just a long way to say that I think I still have more in the tank if I could only get my timing. My recent attempts at fixing this has completely obliterated my swing and score, so now is as good a time as any to make the big changes I need to make.
Side note, I wish disc golf coaches were more common, I can't find anyone near me.
I'd love to watch you throw the Though Space Manta! It's my new favorite driver.
One of my go to discs is the west side Hatchet! Easy flat s turn flight or hyzer flip to flat.
One disc I picked up and have loved since day one is the Latitude 64 Grace.
You look better without the beard man. It's been awesome watching you grow throughout the years man you have come a long ways
I would love to hear your take on the Berg! Love your videos!
Opened this tab a few days ago meaning to watch it, and every time I load it now, the video restarts and I hit pause at the same silly face you are making just before the 1 second mark, and now I just want to keep leaving it there because it hilarious :D
Dave Feldberg is a prominent example of the elbow not reaching a 90 degree angle mid-throw. Also the disc doesn't come deep into the power pocket. Some people surmise it's to put less stress on the elbow. I believe there's a law of diminishing returns when it comes to a lot of form elements, but the benefits of each individual thing probably follows a bell curve. Reachback/reachout/extension towards the peak of the backswing is probably optimal at some point, but beyond that point the returns diminish. I think that's why there's a lot of variance. Many pros get a lot of things right, if not perfect, and it's enough for them to throw 500 feet or more, because they've worked on that form for many months or years of fieldwork, training, practice, and rounds.
I love the Lat 64 Pure for my neutral throwing putter disc.
I never threw mvp/axiom discs starting out. But right before DDO this year i bought my first gyro plastic. And its slowly been taking over my bag. For me they just seem to follow flight numbers more consistently for me. And oh man, the relay has been my baby. Such a reliable turnover
Some discs from my bag that I love: Ev-7 Penrose, Discraft Wasp, DD Justice, Discraft Force, Kastaplast Berg to name a few.
Congrats on the new open bag. Would highly recommend disccraft undertaker & the opto Musket by Latitude 64. The Musket is amazingly consistently/straight & great for woods golf, but you gotta break In the Musket before you get that optimal flight. The Undertaker, well it's thrown by almost every top disccraft pro on tour. Missy Gannon had Undertaker as her signature disc but graciously let Ben Callaway have dibs on Undertaker signature series. Paul Mcbeth really jams out on the undertaker & has bragged about its super straight flight characteristics as well. That Undertaker helped me with nice come back 5th place finish at super big "B" tier in February. It's great for touch forehands as well. You can trust it on flip 2 flat shots & great for woods golf.
Thanks for the tips, Coach. Btw that pizza shirt is 🔥
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Hey, love this series! How about doing it again for forehands?
Prodigy fx3 fx4, the a3 and the dynamic discs judge in lucid plastic are my favourites.
Ev7 penrose and mobius are also great discs.
A few discs I’ve been loving recently are the Gateway Element in Diamond plastic, Viking Barbarian in Storm plastic, and the Finish Line Era. Definitely would love to hear your thoughts on them.
I've been digging a lot of mvp/axiom and if I have to recommend a few it would be the volt, fireball, hex, entropy, spin and of course the electron envy. That being said from innova I have a tl3, leopard and roc 3 that are great. And some trilogy plastics I have loved are the escape, emac truth, and the lat 64 explorer and fuse.
It took me a lot of watching videos and then immediately going to the field to work on the tips I got to develop my form and find my correct timing. I would drill the form for hours until it became basically muscle memory, then make small tweaks to improve it. I've been playing for less than a year and have gone from a starting out max distance of anywhere between 200-250 on a good day, to now throwing approximately 350-400+ comfortably. I would describe my timing and throw as very similar to Calvin Heimberg when he comes through with his throw. The way he seems to just let his arm swing through with his lower body pulling his arm is about how I do mine when going for max distance. Other times, I slow things down to gain more control and just focus on my release angle for shorter, more technical shots. All in all, it comes down to (in my opinion anyway) putting in the time and work to find YOUR form. Yes, there are similarities between the pros, but for the most part, you can tell who is throwing by their form. It was a lot of trial and error, working on one thing only to end up scrapping it to start over later on, that led me to finding my form. Great video Robbie 😁🤘
Definitely recommend all of the new discmania molds. They feel amazing and are great discs
Hey Robbie! It's certainly a shame to see you leaving innova, but here's a few excellent options I'd love to see you try out! Eclipse 2.0 Reactor is the best mid I have ever thrown, Legacy Rivals are absolute money, and Lucid Sparkle Felons are sweet! Thanks for all you do mate
Love my Rival, Bandit another good Legacy option.
I would love to see some impressions with some of Discmania's lineup. I just started expanding my bag beyond Innova and Discraft, and am especially looking for comparisons to other discs. "This fills a similar role/feels like X, with the differences being Y" or how their flights may be similar to other discs you know. I feel like I don't see this kind of comparison very often.
Whether you do or not, keep on making great content! I haven't watched long, but have loved what I've seen so far!
Hey Robbie! At some point, could you make a video about how wind affects the flight of discs? Like what does a headwind do vs a tailwind with different discs, and maybe how to change what discs we use to account for wind? That would be super helpful to me and I would think a lot of other people also! Thanks again for the great video!
Axiom envy / lat64 Pure are two of my favourite putters for throwing!
Here are my favourite discs in my mixed bag.
Putter: Envy, Berg
Mid: Hex, Reactor, Uplink
Fairways: Crave, Terra, Vulture, Passion, Falk
Driver: Nuke, Trace, Fission Wave
The Volt is a must have. As is the Photon. I like them both in proton plastic.
Hi Robbie, thank you so much for all of your videos. They have been a great resource for me as a new player. Over the last month I have noticed that periodically I will just crush a drive. Getting distance I have never seen before, however this isn’t always helpful as I have over shot landing zones or baskets making my up shots much more difficult. I wish I could just adjust to this new found “power” but it is not consistent yet. Any tips on how to grow through this awkward stage? Thank you again! And if you are looking for new discs my Non-Inova favourites are the Berg, Gatekeeper,and Grym.
As a new coach the comment on it being cut and dry could not be more accurate.
As for molds: MVP relay, it is a 6 speed fairway that holds basically whatever line you put it on. Absolutely fantastic for tight fairways. And it's also sneakily good for forehand shots as well.
I just started going to a mix bag. I have only thrown trilogy since I started. They have great plastic but felt like I may be missing some chances at other great discs. So far Avenger SS, Buzzz, BuzzzSS, and Envy are in the bag. Discmania Link(Arctic Fang) and Zone is being tested out
A must try is the westside sword. Like a beat in wraith out the box, such an underrated disc imo.
Finish Line Era is a terrific disc that you don't need an absolute cannon to get great, controllable distance with. Highly recommend for that 9 to 11 speed slot.
Lat 64 Trust and Grace are must tries. Grace goes for days as an 11 speed and the Trust is my go to disc in general. Plus Royal plastic is by far my favorite.
Elevation Disc Koi and Interceptor I have both in my bag, they help out a lot, especially when you need the disc to just sit where it lands and prevent extra travel of the disc on chain outs, which do not happen much with these.
Kastaplast grym been trying it pretty nice flight. Mint freetail is a new try great for turn over roller and hyper flips
Highly recommend the Westside Stag and Hatchet and the Discraft Anax!
Highly recommend the mvp servo!!! Can't recommend it enough please throw it in ur next video
My bag is p heavily Axiom/MVP/Streamline - I'd recommend the Proxy, the Hex and the Virus. The Proxy is basically a beat-in Envy, great for turnover shots and shaping all sorts of things. The Hex is a neutral mid, just flies forever on whatever line you put it on, The Virus is a flippy 9 speed that can bomb and feels awesome in the hand. The new Fission Craves live up to the hype, too.
You have to give all of the Prodigy A series of discs a try..They are in their own little niche spot for approach type discs..The lower the number the more OVERSTABLE. A1's, A2's are your zones and Pig spots. Where it really gets interesting is when you try and throw the A3's and A4's. The shape of the discs really change and they become their own things that no other company makes. They are thin, blunt nosed approach discs that can make some interesting flights happen.
I think some prodigy discs deserve more love, especially from lower arm speed players. I really like my f7, f5, and m4 in that "easy distance" category. I would love to see you eventually find "classes" of discs from more manufacturers to recommend, such as understable mid, easy distance fairway, workable utility, etc. Seeing these discs from lesser recommended brands would be great, like Era (if a few more molds come out soon), Mint, Clash, and so on.
MVP resistor. Unique disc in that is a 7 speed but is quite overstable. Excellent thumber/utility disc but also is excellent for controlled forehands. Low ceiling backhand flare skip shots as well!
Looks like a restock is coming soon! Perfect timing!
Supposedly these ones are extra grade A angus certified red meat which I’m thrilled with
Toss a golem in there from Divergent. It's sockibomb slammer-esque with nearly no lateral movement after hitting the ground. It's one of my favorite approach discs.
MVP/Axiom! Envy, Crave, Tesla, Photon, and of course Reactor.
My recommendation would be:
Putters: Pure, Hope, Nomad
Approach discs: K1 Soft Berg, Harp, Slammer
Midranges: Proton Deflector, Trust, Neutron/Fission Reactor, Hex, K1 (Soft) Svea
Fairway drivers: Opto Explorer, Ethos Votum, C-line FD, Opto River, Neutron Terra, Grand Glory
Control drivers: K1 Lots, Neutron Impulse
Distance drivers: Grace, Alpha Elder, Neutron Wave, Rive and Opto Ballista.
I’d like to recommend the Mint Pig, great video!
Id say you should try the Escape from Dynamic Discs. My favorite straight fairway driver. It goes so far and it has a perfect mix of flippy and stability.
Thought Space Athletics Pathfinder! Been a confidence builder for me
I'm a big mvp axiom fan. And recently re did my bag qnd only carrying 7 speed or less to work on fourm. But I would definitely recommend you trying out the mvp fission photon and fission wave. For 11 speed distance drivers. Fission allows you to get that light weight, at the same time they gyro technology keeps the disc stable in the wind. I've thrown my 149g wave in 20 mph wind and it stays true. But you definitely need to try the fission crave also if you can it's a 6.5 speed but can rival 9 speeds
Berg, Lots, FD are great options to try out for a mixed bag
Hey Robbie, I’ve been playing for a couple years (Covid player). A couple months ago I got a ProPull and believe it is helped me a lot. It seems that everybody uses it but nobody is willing to talk about it in videos. Ulibari mentioned it in one of his recent series and then clearly chose not to show using it. I believe literally the timing video you just did could be replicated with a ProPull, but there aren’t any current videos using it. I imagine this is a licensing situation from the inventor. Anyways as somebody who is stuck in a tiny little apartment and uses the Pro Pull I would love to know your thoughts on it.
Try Discmania c line FD absolute butter
I’d recommend throwing more of those 1/1 autographed Mack Ferrell discs 😂 and we need to see more of the Jack sparrow content 🏴☠️👍🏼 excited to see what your open bag looks like!
Buzzz ofcourse is a great disc, also Discmania Mutant is a fun disc also the splice, also latitude Mercy is a really good throwing putter, tactics also are really nice
Thanks to you, I have a pig and two polecats in my bag.
I'd like to see some love for the Latitude 64 discs. They make some great discs and no one gives them any attention. I'm glad you're going to have an "open bag". Let's see those MVP's, Discmania, Dynamic Discs and Discraft!!!
and Westside!!!! Underworld is a great disc
You should try out the Kastaplast Reko X! Amazing throwing putter 🤩