Here's What a Mustang Owner Thinks of the Camaro ZL1
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- The Camaro ZL1 represents insane speed per dollar. With its supercharged v8 engine, it makes 650 brutal horsepower and, since it costs only $62,000 USD, it may be the fastest car in any form of racing under $65k. No one doubts this cars ability to go fast, but what's it like to drive and does it still have character? On this episode I take it out for a spin and compare it back to the Mustang GT350 that I recently sold.
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As a ZLE owner, this was extremely fair and balanced.
Glad to hear.
@@EatSleepDrive bruh you need to do some no lift shifting in it hehe it sounds amazing
By "ZLE" do you mean "ZL1 1LE"? I ask because I own one and so does a friend...and that's what we call them for short.
@@damachine3 Yeah this seems to be the accepted shortening, just like FiST and FoRS for the Fiesta ST, and Focus RS, etc.
He said they’re proven to over heat on track, they don’t the early c7 z06 model years do in automatic form.
It's not German quality? Does that mean it will be reliable, not fall apart and not be in the shop more than its on the road? BMW figure out how to size crankshaft bearings yet?
F1hotrod lmaoooo
Truth
Yep. I have a euro car and the “quality” thing is overrated big time.
ZL1 owner, 2019. This is probably the best review I have seen on this car. I watched many reviews prior to purchase and have owned it for a year. Bravo.
The infotainment system is angled down to avoid sun glare. Performance data recorder is another option. Seats are recaros (labeled on metal band below headrest). Fair review. I own the ZL1 and agree with most of your thoughts.
As a ZL1 owner I approve this review LOL
Zl1 camaro is hard to beat
As a ZL1 owner, I enjoyed this balanced review. Totally agree with the less characterful exhaust note. It’s just aggressive rough V8 noise, not particularly melodic. Voodoo exhaust note is amazing. Nearly peerless. Btw not sure if you meant GT350 had recaros while ZL1 didn’t, but if I’m not mistaken, ZL1 seats are also recaros.
Thanks for your note, glad you agreed since you're an owner and know the car well. I should have been more clear on the seats, simply meant the GT350 seats are significantly more bolstered, which is good and bad. To be honest I wasn't sure who made the ZL1 seats. I really like the ZL1 seats from a balance point of view, supportive but also easy to get in and out of from a daily driving perspective.
As a zl1 owner
@@EatSleepDrive It is kind of odd what concessions Ford and GM made on their track versions of the cars. ZLE has hardcore suspension and chassis but the interior is as decked out as a regular ZL1, really geared more towards a comfy GT car.
Ford likes a more comfortable suspension setup but then puts in hardcore seats and takes out the rear seats.
GM is likely just looking at the Z/28 and the reactions to that car, so I can understand why they decided to go the middle road, but I think both the ZLE and the CFTP should be more extreme all around. Unless you are hitting the track every month, the base versions of the cars are the way to go.
You say GM was an early adopter of magnetic ride...well they were the ones who developed the technology for Caddillac and the Corvette. They eventually sold it off, and it's since gotten much better in terms of dynamics.
Delphi, an arm of gm, developed what’s now called magneride from BWI, but gm as a whole was an early adopter regardless. I’m sure, or hope you’re not being critical as much as informing him but yea...there’s some non-gm/bwi innovation happening in aero applications that are very interesting too. Gm at one point hoped to amortize the costs enough to include the tech in most of their portfolio but it became clear this didn’t make sense at the time so the sale is kind of a shame but I’m just glad that someone who’s still developing it has it
Ferrari invented magnetic ride
@@dominicsosa7405 lol no
@@dominicsosa7405 Actually Ferrari licensed magnoretical ride from GM originally used in the ZR1 vette and CTSV and in return Ferrari gave them the Enzo brakes for the ZR1
@@xXJasonMakiXx the first i heard of it was on a ferari but i guess ferrari is dependant on magnaride
I loved this review! The best one I've seen on the ZL1 hands down! And i have watched literally every review on this car i could find. Definitely my obtainable dream car
Thank you!
Great review
I traded my GT350 last summer for a ZL1, and I agree the 350 has more character. However, overall I think the ZL1 is more fun to drive on the track, and street. After a couple months of ownership the difference in character starts to feel less significant, because it's just so much more enjoyable (for me).
That’s probably because it is supercharged, all you had to do was switch to a Shelby gt500 and it would’ve been better than the zl1
@@TopGsBugatti Sure, and all it would have cost me was the low, low price of 30k over sticker in Chicago!
ZL1s were 20% off MSRP when I picked mine up in early June. The money I saved was well spent on a couple extra sets of tires for track days. Also. I was able to get one in manual.
GT500 is a cool car, and I will consider one in a couple of years when the hype dies down, and I've made piece with the death of manuals in new cars :(
Mike L 2020 Shelby GT500 Super Snake is manual lmao but expensive yes...
Adam Lolno 2020 Shelby is faster than the ZL1 in all aspects wym
Adam Lolno you’re completely right then man, definitely the camaro is faster, it has boost where the gt350 is all motor only
Vary well done lots of information i dont own a ZL1 but my wife drives a 2018 RS 3.6 we love it and i did relate to many things u said. Ur a very well spoken man fun to listen to never got bored lol!!
Absolutely we want to see the GTR. You had me at 150k, that’s just incredible.
I immediately recognized the area you were driving in!
Grew up in that area :)
Just subscribed. Stumbled on this channel. I like the GT350 to ZL1 comparison. Cool stuff!
Great review. I have the exact same ZL1 in blue also and I love it. Test drove GT350s and ZL1s several times each before I decided to go with Camaro. GT350 definitely sounds much better in stock form and that’s a huge plus, but I liked the Camaro more overall. Coming from ‘14 Mustang GT and ‘18 BRZ tS (sold both to get the ZL1), I wanted to have one car that combined power and handling. Couple things I really wanted were the cooled seats (I sweat when I drive fast) and rev matching transmission. No rev matching in the 350, and if you want cooled seats you have to pay a bit more to get the regular leather seats that have very minimal bolstering. Camaro does have heated and cooled Recaros standard. Interior is better and more modern too. Gauge cluster screen is much nicer. Visibility isn’t bad at all. It’s a sports car, not a commuter. The mirror is fine, I very rarely use the rear camera mirror. I didn’t get to test drive both cars on twisty roads but they felt similar overall. Camaro doesn’t have HD radio or subwoofer unfortunately. But the Bose system sounds good. Mustang has a sub (B&O) but doesn’t really sound like it has it. And then the price. My car had $67k sticker price and I ended up getting it for $60 plus taxes and fees (2020 model and I got it in October ‘19). Dealers here in Cali still have mark ups on GT350s but you could find one for MSRP I’m sure. Both are freaking awesome cars and you can’t go wrong with either one!
Both great options. Love the blue, good choice!
Truth!
This color for ppl who look at the car doesn't make as much emotions like same car in Hyper Blue, RedHot or Garnet red.. :/ it's just simple blue.. :(
Nice job. Just sold my 2018 GT350 looking at a 2022 ZL1. Every point you mentioned I suspected and look forward to the torque. I drove a SS manual recently and that was enough for me to know I was making the right call. Thanks for the video
Enjoy the new ride!
All you need is a corsage extreme plus exhaust system and you'll get the sound of a demon. Great review btw this car is a blast everyday I hop in it!
A couple years late with my comment, heh, but this was a very well-balanced and insightful review (btw I still own a 2018 Camaro and love it). Your points about the exhaust/engine sound, steering and rear cradle bushings were perfectly salient: the Voodoo has a special crankshaft and firing order that yields its absolutely unique "cross plane-ish" sound; the steering in the Camaro is a fixed ratio EPAS, not much can be done about that; and I fixed the wiggly bushings with an aftermarket BMR lockout kit that solved the issuse almost completely. Visibility is a non-issue especially with that rear camera mirror, and magnetic ride control is indeed superb. Again, you have a very good sense for what matters in these cars, great review, thank you very much.
I hope to get a zl1 soon. Much love from texas.
I may just have to pick one of these up.
One of they best video on CZcams
Great video and love the zl1 but also love gt 350! I would be happy with either car. Great job GM with a great American car!!!
👍 Definitely!
The gears are so tall because if they were any shorter, you couldn't hook up in ideal conditions. you said yourself you can break the tires loose in 3rd gear at highway speeds... what do you think would happen if third gear was even shorter? if you make first and second shorter., you gotta make all the other gears shorter too.
Make the rear gear bigger if you wanna see what happens with shorter gears.
The reason the infotainment screen is slanted is so there would be no dust build up and on the screen to make the car look always clean
Yes we want to see the GTR, great video by the way.
Thank you!
That’s the beauty of pushrod V8 Engines. They are straight torque monsters, and will make power ANYWHERE period.
@Andrew V not really true. Stock engines have very small cams to meet emissions testing since the displacement is so large
All of the reasons pushrod engines are still made are basically car companies like gm being cheap. They are cheaper to build, squeeze into smaller compartments and may help fuel economy but that is debatable. You won't see Ferrari or any high end performance cars rocking pushrods. Valve float kills most pushrod engines at high rpm unless they have a huge cam and valvesprings that wear shit out prematurely so the only reason GM is still doing it is simply cost yet they want more $$ from the consumer
It also helps that any neanderthal can line up 2 dots on the timing chain so you don't have to be a graduate of MiT to assemble a Ls or LT.
Coyote TJ That is true, hell it takes only one to 3 days to learn how to build and repair pushrod engines really. That’s another thing I love about them. Cheap to maintain, engineer, produce, and upgrade all while still being very powerful and reliable.
Andrew V Not really, there are plenty of engines like the LS376, the LS7, and the LT4 that make peak power over 6,000 rpm. Sure they won’t have 8,000 rpm revs but they definitely have some top end. I’d go DOHC for anything 7,000 rpm or more to be honest though.
you've probably already answered this question already, but on the off chance someone else might not know, the reason the infotainment screen is angled down like that is to reduce glare on the convertible models when the top is down, and I guess it just carried over to the coupe models as well
Absolutely great video.
OH! You're the guy who bought that salvaged GT4 from Long Island (I'm in Queens) and drove across the country with it. Cool, found you again.....It would be cool the see you do a follow up vid on the ZL1 1LE in comparison. You may say that it is as engaging as your GT350 after driving that.
My biggest knock on the interior is the silly red stitching.
Very unbiased review for a Shelby owner, thumbs up. I personally liked the direct and pretty objective comparisons a lot. Would want to know if the ZL1 also has an overdrive 6th gear like the GT350(R) or if it's totally usable up to Vmax. And looking back, what are the 3 big pro's and con's for you of the ZL1 to the GT350(R)?
both have a mpg 6th gear. Biggest difference is this: zl1 has way more torque if that's your kind of thing, where gt350 has to rev. Gt350 sounds way better. Can't really go wrong with either.
It's such a same that people aren't buying them though.
It used to be all about Mustang and the Camaro competition. Now its all about the Mustang and the Dodge Charger / challenger.
I think that those redesigns mess them up a little bit and they're not as desirable as they used to be if you're going by the sales figures.
Best selling American muscle / sports cars
#1 Mustang
#2 Challenger/ Charger
#3 Camaro
The camaro is definitely losing sales because of looks, I was the biggest camaro fan ever since I was out of the fetus but those 2020 camaros oh my god you’d have to pay me to own one and it doesn’t help that it’s considered one of the worst vehicles on the consumer reports survey
Well people are buying the Zl1. No one wants the ss or the rs. They look terrible
My fav camaro year is 2016
I just came across this video. I'm actually considering trading my gt350 in for a zl1 and I'm finding it hard. This has been the best video so far in a comparison.
Keep the GT350, they will be going up in value very soon.
I know magnetic suspension is the new buzz but it’s been around awhile. Buick had them (Lucerne CXL) 15 years ago.
Love the feedback!!! Thanks. So how can I get the face of the ZL1 on the SS? I only want the ZL1 for the front.
Goto the camaro6 forums. There are a few companies who make the conversion kit.
Really great review. Very fair and balanced.
Had a C7 Z51 with magnetic ride, liked the car but wanted something a little more daily driver friendly in New England. I test drove a bunch of cars, ZL1, ZLE, SS 1LE, GT PP1, GT PP2, Hellcat, and GT350.
ZLE, I loved the looks but the car was terrible on bad roads. Beat you up bad. ZL1 was much better, as well as the SS1LE. Drove the PP1 Mustang and really did not love it. Gearbox was (manual) was sloppy, the handling was disconnected when pushed hard. Just okay. PP2 was better but I still preferred the Camaros in terms of gearbox and handling. Then I drove the GT350. Game over. I owned lots of high revving cars including three generations of RX-7. Man. 8200rpm in a V8? Insane as well as the sound.
To your point the GT350 has more character. Honestly I much prefer the styling and ergonomics. You can see much better out of the Mustang and I do have small kids that ride in the backseats and the GT350 is easier and more comfortable for them.
The biggest difference is torque. The ZL1/ZLE is such a beast and feels so much faster than the GT350 below 5K rpm. It’s much more useable torque but you can get yourself in trouble more. I found myself driving like an asshat a lot more in the ZL1, because I was constantly flogging it.
There is no bad choice here. Buy the car that speaks to you. I ended up in a barely used GT350. The prices have really fallen.
Great choice, I miss mine. Enjoy!
Adam Lolno $48K. It’s a 2018 with electronics pack, over the top stripe. Was used but only had 1400 miles and 70% of the warranty left.
I own a ZL1 1LE and I regret it but also love it, but man you don’t know how many chiropractors I’ve been to because of how f**king stiff that suspension is. But the car looks beautiful. Instead of putting mods on it I decided to get a new paint job. It’s supposed to be chevy’s Crush color. It was originally black. But I wanted it to pop out. Also my cat climbed on it and scratched the living hell out of that paint. So yeah I also bought a cover for it. But I track it all the time, and it’s so fun. I have put 23k miles on it, and I’m planning on trading it in for a 2020 SS 1LE. Just because my father owns a 2011 2SS. And I kind of want an ss and I don’t want to go to the Chiropractor anymore. But anyways, great video!!!
U gonna downgrade from a zl1 to a SS lmao
Magnetic ride= thank you GM . And the “torque everywhere” is also very much due ( or almost all due ) to a pushrods engine .... and why GM has been so stubborn about sticking with it all these years.
One cam is still competing/beating with 4, I see no reason to change.
It's mainly due to the head design, and how they spent their time (back in the day when they dropped the LS1) on how the flow is through the engine, rather than fuel efficiency.
Couple with this almost archaic, yet very tried-and-true single in-block cam shaft pushrod designs, and GM has their formula for success in the consumer market. It's cheaper, smaller, lighter, can be adapted for several different material designs for trucks and cars, and it's obvious how GM has a great motor platform for their whole range.
N the larger displacement
6:30 ZO6 ZO7 package, look like he is having a little fun too craving up that road
Carlos Ghosn wants you to show the GTR. Especially the trunk!
I wan to get the ZL1 but I love the 1LE packaged. Don't what to get is a matter of how hard is the ride in the 1LE?
Much more firm !
The long gearing is a benefit on a road course bc you loose lap time by shifting more than you have too, and the LT4 torque helps you with that. The GT350 and 6th Gen Cam are the same dims roughly but Cam has a 3.5" longer wheelbase. The 1LE springs are what is stiffer, 2.5x stiffer than the rates in the ZL1. Those 1LE solid rear subframe cradle bushings are available from GM and can be mounted up to a ZL1. Screen angle must be for glare.....
purchased a 2019 ZL1 and will pick up tomorrow. so fucking excited man. its gonna be a beast!
Hi very thaks, very interesting video, very detailed. I hesitate between SS1LE and Zl1. Maybe you could do the same video comparison to know if necessary to put the money in Zl1 or if SS1LE as well
If you go to the track a lot I would recommend the SS 1le, it's the better handling car.
@@scottherron I might have on track but it will rarely be. It is for personal use of leisure car on normal road
im in columbus, got a zl1 1le, really great car
I'm curious why he didn't mention competition mode. Steers better and removes power robbing traction control
My brother has a 2013 ZL1 it’s beautiful asfffffff😍
So does my mother
Richard Burns rich boi
Nice Episode, the ZL1 really is one of the best "bang for buck" cars out there. Would be cool if you showed us the GTR you spoke About!
Show us the GTR!
Just got my ZL1, and I can totally relate to the brake dust. And, these rims are a PITA to clean. My question for myself is, do I a) get pads that generate less dust b) get rims that are easier to clean or c) clean these once and for all, and ceramic coat them. Time will tell.
How rich r u. If unlimited money then both. If not , never rim route thats expensive and bru I’m telling u ur going hit a pot hole and the rim going get chipped and ur going lose ur mind , so just get oem or z28 amazon brake pads and just switch them good timings
I spend 3 hours waxing a zl1 vert that’s less area to wax and I’m a try hard like autisim lvl waxing and personally I don’t mess with the wheels bc their so big that if their isn’t brake dust then theirs an issue so I just 50% effort and tires bc they just going get dirty again… bc u shouldn’t wash wheels and they let a car sit always drive after wheels get chemicals on em
I saw the wierdest thing today. It was a 16 or 17 mustang GT super clean with wheels and lowered. BuT when he took off from the light it was literally silent lmfao. It had no sound. I was shook!
A quiet mustang? Never seen one ...
My eco Mustang can’t be heard for blocks like a lot of GTs with looud exhaust. Which is fine with me as I haven’t received a second look from LEO in a long time. C8 on order Aug. 2020 build date.
is that zl1 stock? that supercharger whine seems wayyyyyy louder than stock. I only hear mine when im getting on the gas harder and on downshifts
Good comparison.
ZL1 is a KING!! 🤴 It is not only about brutal power, it also works perfectly, and has great reability!
I own a 2017 convertible ZL1, my only issue with the review is with his comments on the steering. In track mode steering is way more rigid & responsive. So I'm not clear what mode he was driving in but I assume it was touring though.
Exactly!!! It’s one of the best handling cars on road. I’ve never heard the steering needs to be fixed in other reviews.
Camaro vs Mustang was by design thx to GM's response in 1967 coming out with the Camaro after the Mustang in '65. I remember that time. Which car ZL1 vs ZLE should someone get?? The suspension difference isn't an issue for me.
That rear end bit is strictly tires. You forgot to mention that the 1LE has 325s vs 305s on the regular ZL1.
What do you mean, "That rear end bit is strictly tires"?
damachine3 You didn’t watch all of the video did you? He states that the rear end moves around a bit in spirited driving situations where as the 1LE wouldn’t and said it may be the metal bushings versus rubber ones. He didn’t make one mention about the more aggressive and bigger tires the 1LE has over the regular ZL1. The 1LE runs 305s in the front and 325s in the rear. The base ZL1 runs 285 front 305 rear. It’s a really big difference.
@@gtmike916 Thanks. I simply didn't want to assume what you were referring to. I totally agree since I owned the new ZL1 but then I sold it 21 months later and got the ZL1 1LE. So I know from personal experience. ;) That said, you need to make sure the tires are warmed up on the 1LE because they start out a lot slicker when they are cold but then they are sticky as f*ck. ;)
damachine3 Yessir those race tires are pretty much slicks with tread haha. The ZL1s are amazing bang for your buck.
I don't think this is a tire issue, although perhaps a contributing factor. The sensation of the rear wagging at WOT has been discussed pretty thoroughly on C6G and people have claimed upgrading some of the suspension components has calmed it down. I believe they recommend starting with the trailing arms before going to the cradle.
I’ve got a 5th gen ZL1 but really wana convert to a 6th gen ZL1 in that Cherry Red Tintcoat 🍒
I’ve been meaning to do research on the spoon valve shocks. Also what do you think is up with C8’s ? Do you think they’ll sell above sticker? Drop off in value a lot? I put a deposit on an allocation Long before they were announced but it’s a stretch for me and I’m very concerned with losing a ton of money if I have to sell it after a year
I’ve got a contract to get it for sticker though
Nobody knows for sure, so if you are worried about resale before you even buy it then I would skip it and invest your money elsewhere.
damachine3 yea I’m in a position where i can do it but it’s more than is reasonable for me to spend on a car especially for a long period. But for a while and to get the experience I feel like it will be worth it.
@@Fee.1 Yep, I don't care how much money I have, I still don't like to buy things that lose value. But that's hard to do with cars...and I love them. Life is short!
Adam Lolno but how long until a Z06 comes out? And do I go entry level like I’m tempted to or a nearly $15-20k more for performance package
The sound is definitely exciting compared to the 95% of other cars of the road
The turbo 4's and 6's pretty much all sound like hot garbage, which accounts for a lot of the performance cars out there these days.
Well made video
Thank you!
The longer gears are for road track racing.
I'd like to answer your question regarding the infotainment 3 system's peculiar angle. I'm a 2020 Camaro owner, and I agree a vertical angle would be preferable like in the 2020 blazer. However, if you've ever sat in a 1967 Camaro, you would understand why the angle is there. It hearkens back to the original layout. You'll notice that it shares a similar shape and mimics the recessed angle at the bottom. Thanks for the fair comments.
bangshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1967-Camaro-Dwayne-Klippert-Street-Customs-Blown-Camaro-Pro-Touring-035-.jpg
Interesting
I’m so glad the hideous rectangular dash cluster pods are gone
I agree. They're more of a gimmick, I can't even see my oil pressure gauge from a normal seated position.
Hey now, I like my little 4 pack gauge cluster on my 2010! They're down in front of the shifter, on the center console
Bacon676 yea well she’s a man
@@Bacon676 exactly where you can't fkn see um
I like them, they resemble the 69’ SS interior. But now there is barely any resemblance to the older Camaro’s
At 5:12 that wine is bananas how tf he get it so loud cargasam
6:31 The ZL1's big brother shows up
He notices the SS but not the damn Corvette Z06
Heard road noise is aweful in the Camaro ? any truth to that ?
It's pretty bad.
show the GTR
Take it on the track and you will be impressed. It has ample cooling on the track, not to pull power, in Texas summers
Some of these narrow roads remind me of driving in Europe.
Someone needs to do 2002 camaro zl1 phase 3 vs a 2017 and up zl1 6 speed
Nicely done. Good thing you're not driving the 1le on those roads, man some of them look terrible!
Want to see that GTR. But which would you chose for the street? GT350 or ZL1 as a daily driver. Sounds like you would pick the ZL1 for the track which surprised me.
It's a really tough decision. If I wanted a track only car out of the two I'd probably go ZL1, it's more friendly at the limit and simply faster. But, personally, I'd take the GT350 for everything else that isn't purely track duty. It just has more character and charm that the ZL1 lacks.
@@EatSleepDrive Would you pick the ZL1 simply because it will deliver quicker lap times though? I'm a GT350 owner tracking the car regularly. I find driving the GT350 at the limit to be quite rewarding. I think the character of the car really comes out on the track. I have not tracked a ZL1.
I choose the zl1 for the street
I choose the zl1 for the street
The road surface is scary.
Nice review.... *When you step on it, “your” facial expression says it all.” Good times.
You know it!
The severe rake of the infotainment system is to avoid glare in the convertible models!
Pretty sure GM started to develop magnetic suspension, then later spun off some decisions into Delphi, which introduced magnetic ride suspension and sold first usage to GM for Seville or something.. so GM invented and first used magnetic ride suspension. Now it's owned by the Chinese, and they supply to everyone, from Cadillacs to Ferraris.
i dunno man, i think this car NEEDS the carbon fiber hood weave
It's basically the only option mine doesn't have lol.
I took my girl and her best friend with me to choose between the ZL1 and Gt350 and they love the zl1 hands down.
Why is he moving the wheel like an arcade racing game during the intro? I can't not see it now.
This car is much better suited to street use than the 1le. Magnetic ride and rubber bushings make for a more comfortable ride.
Best 👌👌
are you driving in Kentucky?
Close, southern Ohio.
Gt500 is the natural competition but I get you didn’t own that
Sadly the Chinese own it now.
Gt500 is also way more expensive !
It is and it isn't. Based on price the GT350 is more comparable. As well as based on time of release. GT500 has had 3 years since the ZL1 came out.
arkarius944 yea price matters but not as much when these cars are so different and designed to punch against their weight. Not to mention the R really has price parity too. Exterior factors aside, metal to metal, it makes more sense, we don’t live on that world though I’ll give you that
The natural competitor to the GT500 is the C7ZR1
I’m not good with people , ,, i’m unbiased I like both Camaros & mustangs ,, I drove both & own the mustangs but those Camaros are just a beautiful car as any Mustang ,,,
Aye shout out to Ohio, that’s where I’m from Ima subscribe bc u from the home state
OH
EatSleepDrive IO
Zl1 is badass
What part of Ohio are you filming these reviews in? Swear to God I've driven these roads before
Cincinnati
@@EatSleepDrive what are the chances lmaoo, SW Ohio as well. Just outside of Cincinnati myself
@@EatSleepDrive if you review modified cars would love to have you review my bird. Should be a peace of cake to record since we're both from the Cincinnati area
Your FRS steering feels good enough when you get your groceries at Walmart….
Yes high mileage GTR please friends dad!
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Would someone agree? - this blue(Riverside Blue) color in video looks kinda sad.. I mean its too simple color for so special car.. In Hyper Blue looks 2x better.. also in RedHot or Garnet Red looks so much better..
Keep your "uniqueness". I think the ZL1 sounds much better and a lot meaner than the GT350. It's just so raw and violent sounding. It sounds like the Alpha.
this car was made in mind to eat mustangs all day.
Not enough feed back through the wheel. Well thats because its a muscle car and nowhere in history have they been straight track cars they have always been heavy high horsepower high torque straight line cars. As far as magnetic suspension well GM developed it for the luxury line known as cadillac and for the corvettes. Then sold rights for other manufacturers to use on their vehicles. But otherwise a good review
So your comparing a naturally aspirated 5.2 liter mustang to a 6.2 liter supercharged corvette motor? Aight den👍🤟🤘
your right, apples and oranges when it comes to power, speed and what it sounds like...but.... price wise a regular ZL1 is prob cheaper than a GT350 (new). If you want to spend 90k for the GT500 and get 0.1 second off your 60 then thats all you.
2019 is the best zl1 no cap
just remember kids.....no one ever paid $3.4 million for a camaro
Yet!
@@Badazz08 ever
@@Badazz08 Never!
They can't even be given away after a discount.
And the sale have fallen so far behind the Mustang they just can't compete with those Mustang dollars.
You guys say this but wait till all there are is electric cars anymore in another 50 years and cars cost an average of 90 grand or more. Let's be realistic. I'm sure no thought when cars were average of 5 grand that in 50 years or whatever it would be an average 35 grand. Some of the camaros sought after are auctioned for 100 grand or more. So never say never cause it can and might happen. Be a little more opened minded.
Gm started magnetic ride control years ago. Ferrari even leased it from them. I hate auto youtubers who dont know what their talking about.
Been waiting to buy a camera now since 1976. As soon as they put windows you can see out of, and add all wheel drive - Chevy gets my money...
Chevy needs to get back on the ball! Has lost its drag strip and track dominance😢
I'm not a camaro hater but I don't recall it ever having drag strip dominance lol.
@@burgerbandit3646 2017 Battle of the non aspirated muscle cars
Camaro SS
Mustang GT
Dodge Challenger 392🤔
Lost it's track dominance? The ZL1, especially the 1LE with the MultiMatic DSSV suspension and very functional aero, dominate the track. Have you looked up the Nürburgring times? They are track cars first. Not as much focused on the strip.
@@damachine3 so you're saying the 2020 zl11le is faster on the track than the 2020 GT500 track version with a 110 more HP?
@@cababy1296 www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a30540966/2020-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-vs-2019-chevy-camaro-zl1-1le/
The jury is out. This article has the ZL1 1LE winning out in the 0-60 and just short of the GT500 in the 1/4 mile (.1 second difference). The ZL1 1LE has the MultiMatic DSSV, track focused, suspension and weighs 200 lb. less. They also like the steering feel on the ZL1 1LE better. On the Nürburgring, that allowed it to shave 13 seconds off of the ZL1 track time, even though the ZL1 1LE had a lower top speed in the straight because of the drag from the aero. No other Camaro, Corvette, or Mustang has this suspension...only the ZL1 1LE. I used to hate Chevrolet and swore I would never buy a Camaro but, after researching it, I bought a ZL1 and then I sold it 21 months later and got a ZL1 1LE. I did so because it was one of the baddest machines for the track, especially for the money. Even then, I'm not sure it would win out vs. the GT500 on the Nürburgring, but let's see. People are already saying it lost it's track dominance but I'm not sure that's been proven yet. In fact, I'm seeing some proof of the opposite. I'm not sure we'll ever know in regards to the Nürburgring because I don't think Ford will take the car there. The GT500 should win, though, because it's a much newer car and has 110 more HP (but keep in mind that the ZL1 1LE has 25 more lb-ft of torque...650 vs. 625). Then again, the GT500 is 200 lb. heavier and the suspension is inferior to the amazing track-focused ZL1 1LE suspension in the corners. That's how it goes, Chevy comes out with the gen 6 and it wins out and then a few years later Ford comes out with something. The GT500 should win in every measurement. So, for $30,000 more dollars and four years newer, I would hope the GT500 beats it out. That all said, a new Gen 7 Camaro ZL1 1LE or Z/28 would undoubtedly beat the GT500 for less money (if they ever come to fruition) but it looks like they're going to cancel the Camaro (again) after a couple more years of this generation. So I'm not sure we'll ever see a Gen 7 Camaro. Al Oppenheiser, the head of Camaro, has already moved to the electric car division. Camaro sales are tanking and gas mileage is poor (hurting their ability to hit EPA targets in a fiscally sound manner)...so it's just not worth it for them anymore. Finally, when we talk about comparisons between the ZL1 1LE and the GT500, it's almost apples and oranges with the price difference...but I hear you. The GT500 may win out on a particular track, but I don't think it will win out on all tracks because the ZL1 1LE will beat the heavier GT500, with the inferior cornering suspension...leaving the GT500 to make up for it in the straight. They will have to be long straights, though, based on the numbers I'm seeing from the early reviews. The ZL1 1LE is a lighter car, has more torque, and has a superior suspension. It has it's advantages. As for fun factor, a lot of people think the ZL1 1LE is a more confident and engaging track driving experience. I think both cars are amazing and I'm glad they push each other to the limit!
See how much you loose on desperation 15 to 20 percent .how much plastic is in the interior. I own a2015 zl1 convertable only289 made would not recommend to buy one.
The 2015 is a gen 5 Camaro which is considerably worse than the 2016+ which is on a completely different platform (Alpha). Your comments do not apply to the ZL1 in this video
@@vernonprice5986 look at car max see what the zl1 is taking a.price beating.bad investment on car .you should just burn your money.you will get same.result