Chevy Camaro ZL1 1LE takes on Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat, Spanking Follows. Drag and Roll Race.
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- Chevy Camaro ZL1 1LE takes on Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat, Spanking Follows. Drag and Roll Race.
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I'm enjoying the new format, nice work. You should add 60-130mph stats from your roll races if they can get that fast. RaceBox should record it all ready.
The moment you showed the tires on the hellcat I knew it was over 😂
They lookin like the hair on Homer's head 😬
The camaro still would’ve won, it just would’ve been slightly closer. Power to weight still exist, and the fact that it’s the 1LE with more drag than the regular zl1
@@Bop6.2 if it was Challenger SRT demon with 1050 hp engine , i think
it would easily beat Camaro. But they took hellcat instead of demon.
Also they took 2017 hellcat instead of 2022 🙄
@@legendaryhero-kr5pq the demon doesn’t make 1050hp and it would’ve span worse cause they are still racing on a unprepared surface, also they are using the 1LE version which has significantly more drag than the regular Z, not everything is about horsepower in racing. The c8 dogs the demon in a 1/4 mile and it has less hp than a zl1
@@legendaryhero-kr5pq also these guys racing aren’t the best of drivers either.
Thanks again for having me Sam! I would have put my drag radials on but this is a stock Vs stock comparison. That Camaro was insane! I need get my self a 10 speed tranny 😂
Get better tires, Michelin perhaps!
I thought the hellcat came with the hellcrate for $1.00. It's supposed to have the drag radials in it. I would consider it stock equipment, especially since Dodge charges you $1.00 for it. They want you to have that package. It would've helped, but the results would have been the same. It's all about traction and power to weight ratio. Aerodynamics help a little.
$1.00 Hellcrate was a Demon option, not a regular hellcat.
I think the Hellcat besides traction downfall alot of times of course weight and no one says anything about aerodynamics. The Dodge of course would be a better daily driver.
That's the Demon package 📦
I am a Mopar guy, but I give credit where due, the Camaro is an awesome machine!
I'm a Camaro guy, but I'll be fair here, that Hellcat did have extra crappy tires. The race would've been neck and neck if the chally had decent tires.
@@dallasfrost1996 hard to find people reasonable like you. 💯💯💯
@@dallasfrost1996 I agree! I’m a Challenger Hellcat owner with Nitto drag radials in 305’s with 20x11 rear wheels. I’m positive the race would have been much closer with my setup. But you can’t deny the ZL1 performance…..much respect! 👍🏾
@@aj_hlct6230 Nice man! It's quite refreshing coming across genuine Mopar owners instead of delusional Motard fanboys. "No ZL1 is keeping up with a Hellcat" etc, etc. Both are great cars for their purposes, but yeah, ZL1's are great performance cars. Really good price to performance ratio with them. Very underrated vehicles for sure, they can hang with Hellcats on the straights while also giving the GT500 a hard time around a track!
@@DrHorsePower Camaro guy here and ill say that if the Challenger had better tires it definitely would have been much closer... Them Camaros are no slouch tho... They move... I Respect all of the Big 3 as well
Those super charged V-8s sound like dragons!
Sad to see these works of art go away. Growing up as a car fan, never really been one to just fall in love with a car! That is until I got my very first ZL1. Then I saw the article talking about the end of the Charger, Challenger and Camaro and I was deeply saddened. Finally found the car I'm going to stay with and now it's coming to an end. Thank you Dodge and Chevy for such great Muscle car products. Hopefully you reconsider 😢
Hopefully a republican like trump or Vivek gets in office and maybe they’ll stay around climate change is a hoax and making billionaires become trillionaires vehicles don’t put of a 1/10 of the pollution factories in other countries do it’s all about money like def etc engines don’t last a 1/3 of what they do when deleted electric cars don’t hold value doubt anyone will even buy the new electric ones
Put them both on a track and the lost will be much much worse.
Hellcats are amazing machines. I give them the respect they deserve although I own a ZL1. This was a great video.
Holy hell almost 70k miles on that hellcat. Definitely bought it to drive it. Idk how you daily it. I cry at the pump with my 11 MPG and premium 😂
Mopar Nation All Day. But how can Anyone not love the ZL1. The thing looks like a Stealth fighter with candy paint. And that agile, light weight?!
Good luck to Anything trying to take that down. You gon need it.
The zl1 is just phenomenal. It’d be a goal to own one even tho I’ve always been more of a mustang guy. A gt350 or zl1 would be great.
As expected, I already knew the outcome of this but I still enjoyed watching it. Thanks Sam, you never disapoint.
People really think that just because Chargers and Challengers have high horsepower numbers that they don’t get walked constantly and consistently. I raced a 2018 Durango Citadel with a Hemi while I was in my 2008 Escalade EXT and walked away from it. When I talked to the driver he said he was shocked because he paid for the Hemi just to launch from lights and he saw my taillights the whole time.
People can say what they like but the numbers don't lie. Both cars have the same torque at 650 lb-ft. The Camaro has 650 hp and the Hellcat has 9% more at 707hp but weighs 14% more then the Camaro. Also I'm sure the 10 speed transmission helps
Dodge SRT hellcat is the most trash slow piece of shit ZL11LE is monster even manual ZL11LE beat trash slow boat dodge Hellcat Chevroletperfomance team is the most top 🔝 team in the whole world for racing cars always ZL1 or Corvette owners will be big winners Ford Mustang GT500 or Dodge SRT Redyeye will be losers everyday. + European cars Lamborghini McLaren Porsche Ferrari.
Aerodynamics may play a role too.
The Charger is faster on the top end due to lower .cd, then the Challenger.
Love love watching the ZL1 in action. Car gets way less attention than it deserves compared to the hellcats. Great loss to the performance car market with it ending production.
Absolutely. Sad to see the Camaro go. GM never let the car reach its true potential.
This is the end of the second muscle car era. In 30-40 years, people will be paying a fortune for these "classics."
@@dallasfrost1996 exactly imagine if that ZL1 had 750 hp ZR1 engine in it….
@@jerodlewis1356 Yep, that LT5 V8 paired with the 10 speed would've been an absolute monster. GT500/Redeye killer!
At least the ice Camaro finished strong
Tires make a huge difference. The Hellcat struggles to get any traction.
Nice drag race Sam! Please include the 0-60 in future videos also😊
0-60 is kinda irrelevant now a days.
@@someferarriguy7910 lol this is true with the power cars are making before even modding. i was surprised that that zle won every time. i expected close races. unless these cars arent stock.
So proud to own one of these glorious V8 masterpieces in the shape of my ´18 ZL1 with a 6 speed manual transmission. What a car!
And this is the track focused ZL1 with a bunch of downforce and drag, which makes its win even more impressive!
That’s what a redeye is for
@@texasstreetkings537don't need a redeye to beat a zl1 man 😂😂😂😂
@@SRTHEMI Yes this race just showed us, stock vs stock.
@@dz_gt500 how about you look up races where hellcats beat zl1s dont purposely ignore them & act like they don't exist 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I wish i had go pro cameras to record my runs i had with zl1s.
@@SRTHEMI There’s videos of all sorts of cars beating each other what’s your point?🤷🏽♂️ These races were stock vs stock how they came out from the factory. Car and Driver also did a test with the gt500, zl1 & redeye….the redeye came in 3rd, zl1 2nd & gt500 1st. You can mod anything to be faster with enough money but this wasn’t what the video was about.
I prefer this format over the last few videos.. but , i think i speak for many by saying we miss the "Today I'm driving !" Opener..lol
I am tweaking some stuff. It will get better :)
@@SamCarLegion was definitely not meant as criticism. I love the channel.. but , i know what you mean by tweaking your videos.. If you are into air rifles , thats what my channel is about and i am always thinking of how i should tweak my videos as well..
@@thebreakbarrelshow i am all good buddy:) no harm to give your opinion. I appreciate it
I love the new format with the ET's disclosed. 👍
Remember the zl1 1le is a track race car not a drag race car made for coverings nothing can touch it in its class 😊
Camaro guy here, this race didn't do the Hellcat justice. Had that Hellcat have decent tires on instead of near bald ones, that race would've been much closer. Both these cars are evenly matched, and the outcome goes both ways.
Brand loyalists: "but, but... muh brand"
Same here bud and i agree with you... I Respect all of the Big 3 although the Camaro got my heart
Very nice match-up, well filmed and with times. Love it. It seems like Hellcat couldn't launch well. Did they try a few races and that was its best launch? We hear the owner say at the end that he should have done a burnout before. Nevertheless, nice cars!
Camaro is my favorite and I love to watch it win
Both awesome cars.
Agreed!
As soon as I saw the tires on the Hellcat I said it has no chance
Can you move your finish line video camera so that the orange markers are lined up? With the camera skewed, it makes the photo finishes harder to evaluate.
Sam!!!! This was perfect!!! Good job on the details.... You find it this is it!!!!!!
Zero Traction 😢 Kills the Cat 🐈⬛ Everytime!!!
so what happen in the roll then where there wasn't traction issues, cause it still lost, i ran these combo many times stock to stock using the regular zl1 which is faster on asphalt and straight away and the zl1 always won, when i add sticky or mods then i keep getting different results back and forth
@@Mofasa_zl1 Ur absolutely correct about the roll as well but 2 factors give the ZL1 a great advantage even with less power it’s 700lbs lighter and has and Amazing 10 spd Transmission!! It’s also has better gearing and Traction by far. But don’t get me wrong I’m former Hellcat owner so I’m not guessing figures here.
@@Mofasa_zl1 you need to rewatch the vid cause the HC spun during the rolls too.
@@leroyjr261 i love both and had the opportunity to own both, as for the weight took mine to VMP track, without me in the car its a little over 4200 lbs so they is really only 200 lbs difference in reality, the transmission is definitely a greater advantage but for me its how they designed it that gives it far more advantage
@@jeremclean4668 i did many times, the kitty lost traction and caught traction while it was slightly still in front the camaro and both times the camaro came around the kitty. 10 speed transmission and aero is better on the camaro so it will happen every time stock to stock, of dodge had pay more attention to little details like this it would be a monster and also i know they make the throttle bodies kill the power of the car purposely to save the motor from dumb drivers who dont know how to brake in a motor properly
Hellcat needs some decent rubber. Also I see a lot of hellcat guys don’t know how to launch these cars(not saying that the owner doesn’t know how to launch his car I just mean in general). From a dig you put the car in second gear and turn all drive modes to track EXCEPT suspension, put suspension in comfort or street mode so when you launch it squats in the rear due to it being on a softer setting which helps with the weight transfer. This gives you a way better launch then you would have with the suspension being stiff. Good runs though nonetheless. That Maro looks so 🔥 with the 1LE package. 💯💯💯
Literally every race that cat spun😳
Tires on the cat look horrible. Should’ve used a 2022 wide body challenger with 305s I think it changes the race outcome
@@robertclark6888 think the Camaro still wins
Channel has improved love it
Another hellcat that needs a driver mod
My 2018 Charger Hellcat M/T drag radial only ran a neighbors 2019 ZL1 with tune and exhaust. Unprepped surface the Hellcat won two races from a dig by 1/2 to 3/4 cars, no roll races were done.
Considering how the zl1 is more of a track car than drag car, he gave u ur race now u need to give him his race via roll
@@sulkmahidonkeydek3424 Sold the Hellcat after 4 years, it was trapping 124 to125mph on the factory timer in the car for 1/4 mile, also ran it up to 190 mph once. BTW I like the ZL1 Camaros.
@@robwwhit3453 I’m not a dig person, prefer rolls less variables. Seeing if I’m faster or they are is more than satisfying. Less excuses for both sides
Dang wish I was at my trailer to walk across the street and watch this
I think we all knew the outcome 😂
zL1 for the WIN! I can say results are 100% accurate as I’ve ran up against few cats in my a10 zL1 🚀
That was a good race 💯 now we have to see hellcat jailbreak vs the zl1 1le
Can we see a ZL1 vs a Demon next?
Dam that hellcat sounds insane is that stock exhaust?
Now you need to add a GT 500 in the mix.
It’s first this is a fight for second more exciting
@@CoyoteFTW plz,the gt500 loses often to the zl1
@@camclarke9952 Not on rolls.
That’s funny because when the three were raced when the GT500 first came out, it destroyed both of them!😂
No. Put a carbon fiber track package GT500 with the cup 2 tires and not base model GT500 and the GT500 wins. GT500 beat both the hellcat redeye and Camaro ZL1 1LE in the drag on a video
Doesn't the maro have cup 2s. A much stickier tire which as we all saw the hellcat could have used
It’s a track performance car it’s supposed to have sticker tires the hellcat is not a track vehicle
Goodyear 3Rs actually, so it basically comes with semi slicks from factory.
Those tires suck ass fyi.
Not surprised. Camaro W🎉
Dane my friend, that’s the consequences of spending that much money on whiskey instead of proper tires hahahaha
😂😂😂😂
What else am I supposed to drink on my boat
@@Mr.BobbyHellcatever clear because it doubles as octane boost.
Some would want to yell out 'MERICA, but I'm more inclined to yell out "BROMPTON" IYKYK..... Sick races, catch you next time lads!
When he said 10 speed I already knew
I love my Ro SS. That's all I'm going to say Lol and no I don't have a zl1, and I love those also but I don't need one to have a little fun.
Maybe the SRT should race some tanks.
I'm just kidding.
Not sure it would have changed the outcome but have you switched lanes at some point as we all know power is nothing without traction?
I don't think anybody was surprised by the results in this race lmfao!
ah yes the great american battle, thats a walk as sam would say. the zl1 is clearly better and lighter and the 10 speed helps a lot
haha no, everyone wants to bring a dodge with small tires, nobody would ever try to lay down that HP on those tiny tires, it is only to hope the other one wins, and no you do not need a prepped track, just put on the proper size tires and watch the beating, now go down to Texas and watch the real 1/4 mile races, they will have the right tires and scorch those things, but they will also have shit with 5000 hp.
@negativezero yeah, with a lot of power comes a lot of responsibility, I've seen lamb's with 3500hp just shooting of like bullets down 1/4 mile, imagine the Gforce on that omg would pass out
Good race, awesome cars dude
Hard to believe this was a 3.7sec 0-60 run with all that spinning for the Hellcat. Do you have a racebox/dragy or just estimate based on the video?
We use racebox
It would have been even worse for the hellcat if they had a regular ZL1 .Those wings on a 1le ain't friendly in a drag race.
I'd like to see the Camaro against a Trackhawk. The AWD on the Trackhawk should smoke the Camaro on the launch, but the higher power/weight ratio of the Camaro should catch up quickly. Would be quite interesting.
thats a loss guaranteed for the ZL1
I believe there is a video.
Iv raced a hawk in my Z before. They get some distance from a dig. But within the quarter mile the ZL will catch up and surpass.
The biggest advantage of Camaro competitors is that it is light.
Louis Chevrolet would be proud. Wish Mary Barra could see this race. I own a 6th generation camaro. Great alpha chassis. My v6 335hp runs fantastic. Best car I ever owned… too bad it’s being discontinued… I like the looks of the challenger but its power to weight ratio is a little high. I wish more people could at least drive the camaro on the highway and on twisty turny roads to see how nice it really is….
Yea the hellcat trans is a little bit outdated compared to the ZL1 and GT500... Mopar gonna have to bring a 10spd as well
Love the new intro
Camaro ZL1 for the win.
Hellcat, gt500, zl1, all great machines, all right there at the finish. Can't really go wrong with any of them. Just depends on how you like to spend your time driving. I chose the zl1.
and not one shift was seen that day 😂
One more thing, in 2015 it was Dodge releasing the 707 HP Hellcat that started all of this. Chevy & Ford were forced to play catch-up.
I'm wondering if the hell kitty had some better street rubber if it could keep up better. The stock tires that come on the hell kitty in my opinion suck
With better rubber and a proper launch it would’ve definitely been closer although the ZL1 would’ve still took it, it would’ve been a closer race for sure.
It has now been settled
nice race tho. & happy 420 to all 🌳
Zl1 has a 5-year technological advantage against the older Hellcat. Do '17 vs `17.
2022 hellcats are exactly the same nothing has changed so it wouldn’t matter 😂
Tell me what technology has changed in the dodge 💀💀 plz inform me
😂😂😂🤦♂️
Man the 2017 hellcat is looking same as it's ever looked. Maybe because the car is the same since 2015.
Wow close in the roll race. Suprised
Weight to power ratio not to mention superior traction control management and bigger tires.
Hellcat needs wheel hop support kit
Funny how many people expected the Camaro to lose 😂 all that fast and the furious vin diesel hype sold you guys lemons 😂
its crazy how much distance there is between the two from a car that is 0.2 faster
63,000 miles and still has swim noodles on the front bumper haha
Anyone notice the hellcats tires looked like they weren’t in the best shape. Maybe why it spun every race and that ZL1 capitalized on that. Also why the older hellcat and not a 2022 widebody with 305s?Both great cars not hating.
Why wasn't there a view from inside the Camaro? I need to hear that glorious LT4 from inside! These are my two favorite muscle cars anyway. An LS/LT/Hemi pushrod V8 with a cross-plane crankshaft will always trump a Coyote.
LOL AND OUTLAST A COYOTE EASILY
Cooomme on!!! Whoever is driving the Hellcat is driving it like my grandma would!!! 😂😂😂
Boat vs sports car. Very cool! Thank you Sam for showing 0 to 60 and quarter mile. That was the only thing missing from your videos and my guess that will add subscribers.
By definition, a sports car has 2 doors, and 2 seats or less. Camaro and Mustangs are typically 2+2 cars, classified as pony cars. Corvette is a sports car, not a muscle car. Challengers are muscle cars. Chargers are muscle sedans(i guess). The old school chargers are muscle cars, just like chevelle and nova.
@@Eastsidegeorgiaboy u new to the car world or what?
Femme pony car***
Now put the new GT500 on the race together with these two and show who’s the real king
GT500 will win especially if it's the carbon fiber track package GT500 with the cup 2 tires which is very sticky
Sams formatting for these videos are becoming incredible
having both ZL1s put the power down to the ground better without tires. From a roll hellcat
And this is why everybody has a haircut and not a ZL1
One thing that needs to be shown in these test, are what tire brands they are running. You can see that the Camaro is running pilot sport 4s tires. That challenger didn’t stand a chance, cause all you heard was spinning.
It won't make a huge difference but will run it again, against the GT500 and these two.
@@SamCarLegion actually the pliot sports makes a huge difference I have them on my Redeye and they are wayyy better than the PERELLI’s the hellcat comes with
@@SamCarLegionconsidering the hellcat tires were spent and it was only half a second or less behind due to not having traction I'd say at the very least some tires with tread will either give it a fighting chance or the upper hand. All depends on the driver though.
If you own a hellcat please change the tires, you will never put all the power down if you don’t have a good tire
Little hard to hear if the challenger sounds good at the beginning Rev, to busy clipping the microphone to actually hear the car right. 😂
That’s what a redeye is for
Tires the 1le have much better tires. Put a decent set on that hellcat & run it back!
They're evenly matched. The outcome would go either way.
It’s a track performance car…it has better tires for track times not drag times
I'm a chevy die-hard fan but the Hellcat needs Driver mod.
It needed tires. The rear tires were probably less than 1/2 tread.
I am always confused on how many MOPAR fans live in the delusion that hellcats are the fastest. Edmunds even released a vid of the ZL1 beating the red eye (note, the GT500 was also in the race and won).
every 1/4 time online shows the ZL1 faster.
That’s because they always want to use the useless launch control in the Hellcats/Redeyes. LC in HEMI’s are straight garbage. Also first mod I did when I bought my 2016 Hellcat is swap out the crappy Pirelli tires with 305 Nitto DR’s with 20x11 wheels. My 0-60 went from 3.8 to 3.5 on the street and 3.3 at the track. Stock for stock Hellcats are no match for the other competition with similar power, but better tires will match or beat them. We blame the car company’s crappy choice in tires!
Them Dodge fans are on crack.
Dodge builds a hype up piece of trash and try to compare it to Chevy or Ford... hilarious 🤣🤣
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr I disagree. Had my Hellcat for 7 years and only issue I had to replace one of the active exhaust valves. I’ve raced my car at the track few times and done a few highway pulls. Car still looks and feels like the day I drove him off the dealer lot. As far as I’m concerned, your statement is false!
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr Also I have mad respect for Mustangs and Camaros. Hell I wouldn’t mind having a Camaro SS 1LE manual in my stable if I could afford it. The Mopar are way more comfortable and practical, let alone fun to drive!
Should have been a 2022 Red-eye unfair matchup.
Great video, the Hellcat did spin pretty bad but even after it hooked up it got walked, the weight difference is just too much to overcome. Of course I'm guessing the Camaro spun pretty bad also. Both impressive cars!
60k miles and still has the yellow splitter protectors on...lol
NO ONE has figured out how to get a rwd car off the line like chevy has.
Bravo nice win if a zl1 loses to a hellcat stock please bring your car to a dealer gt500 has more top end think it would be in last place till 60ish than reel both cars in
Weight to power every time
That hellcat is just spinning every race
Piss poor design flaw from Dodge that's never been addressed since the cars inception.
The transmission is a huge factor. I believe dodge has the more powerful engine but the tranny has got to be upgraded
I see the Camaro is almost full of fuel where the challenger is almost empty
I’m surprised at the outcome, I know the Camaro is lighter, but usually HC’s come alive at the top end. I wonder if the HC was running radials would the outcome differ. Solid video.
Lol. 57 extra hp is not enough to overcome a 700 lbs weight disadvantage. The camaro is made way better. Camaro can actually be a road course/track car. You can road course/track the challenger, but it will always lose. It is made for straight line speed, and highway corners. But it makes sense, because the Camaro and Mustangs are classified as Pony cars, not muscle cars with the exception being the GT500 (weighs 4200lbs), and even that will run circles around the hellcat twins on any track.
@@Eastsidegeorgiaboy as a second time Camaro 6th gen V8 owner, after having two Scats, I completely agree. I know that segment is a trim down. But I could tell the weight and construction difference between them dramatically. Not to mention the scats I’ve pulled away from during some friendly rolls/digs. It’s just crazy what .02 milliseconds can do between cars on a strip.
I love me a camaro but I was really not expecting it to win a drag race against thehelical. Srt.
Twas a true spanking indeed!