Did Captain America Really do Nothing in the Other Timeline? (Avengers: Endgame Theory)
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Time remnant😶
He can comment before he uploaded the video
As much as what you say makes sense, couldn't he have just used the stones to make a new shield, we already know he could survive it as in infinity war thor says that any normal person's insides will melt or something when he is telling the guardians about his 'thanos' killing weapon and we know Steve can weild it with no issue. As far as him not changing the events of new York and so on it is because he already knew how they would play out and that intervening would have massive ramifications, which could also explain why kang/immortus didn't have him erased from the timeline. Why I believe this is because I doubt cap could find someone smart enough to cross universes prior to 2023 and if he did surely they would have come along with him?
I still loved the video as always and you should keep doing what you are doing 😊
I honestly feel as if behind Loki, the TVA has probably pruned more Variants of Cap than any other person just because he stopped some kinda disaster.
And he can stop those disasters all day.
It would mean Red Guardian wasnt lying in Black Widow if there were actually 2 Caps the whole time.
If it was the same timeline, that could be a possibility yes
It doesn’t make sense with the time travel rules of the MCU (which is already trash).
@@ThanosDestroyeryearsago Yeah the movie contradicts itself to hell aswell with its rules
Nope
@@ThanosDestroyeryearsago The MCU time travel rules are stupid and makes zero sense back to the future is not a bunch of BS.
I like to imagine in the alternate timeline, when everyone is trying to pick up the hammer, Steve just does then acts like it's to heavy. 😂
I like the creek metaphor from agents of shield
Simple but makes sense
Throw a few twigs in a creek that doesn’t do much
Throw too many and it starts to form a dam
Ripples not waves
I honestly think that this second timeline is "What If captain America (Steve Rogers) was never frozen?"
He could've prevented...A WHOLE LOT of things! Thor's arrival, Wakanada's issues, Ultron, Thanos proof earth, hydras invasion of shield, Bucky's transformation to the winter solider, Civil War.
Omg that's a lot of stuff, I listed.
We all love wakanada lol (ps, I was correcting the wakanda mistake you did.)
@@sgclips5820 np.
How would he prevent thors arrival as Odin sent him to earth because he was not worthy
@@LiviTech not like prevent it the event more like insurance just in case things didn't go into the flow of time.
Probably would’ve become director of shield
I like the idea of captain amarica fixing everything while he's in the past
Yeah that makes sense though like what if probably what if he save his own best friend Bucky Barnes from hydra
@@thorriklawrence449 therefore saving Tony’s parents and possibly making tony a better person before the arc reactor and probably being allies with wakanda and when the chitauri show up earth will be ready cap rolls up in a vibranium iron man suit with mjolnir because he would’ve found it before Thor was worthy again and could’ve possibly saved Bruce from the explosion turning him into the hulk
I did find it weird that Loki explains that all the time-traveling by the Avengers and 2014 Thanos was "supposed" to happen... Which is weird because the "intended" outcome of the sacred timeline (Avengers time-traveling) directly led to Loki's initial escape. (Which apparently wasn't "supposed" to happen.) It just raised more questions for me as far as the outcomes "intended" by He Who Remains...
The Tesseract wasn't supposed to fall right next to Loki's foot when Tony dropped the Tesseract.
That always confused me too. The whole "it was meant to happen" always seemed like lazy writing to me.
The only way it would make sense is if the TVA came in after the Avengers left New York and pruned everything. That’s not shown or told to us though so who knows
@@flash-fire117 It's because *IT WAS SUPPOSED* so that Loki will cause nexus leading to him and Sylvie finding "He who remains", like what he said he paved the road and they just walked towards it.
@@AnDrei-nf5jb exactly, Kang wanted them to eventually get to the point that they did. As he said, he was old and tired
@@flash-fire117 but... they DID prune everything, they just went to Lokis location first. We saw them prune everything when they took Loki
The flash season 7 top speed
Godspeed top speed
Yes yes and yes
They fought with lightsabers pretty fast, ngl.
pleaseeee
Agreeeeeed
Yes, make a video explaining what timeline changes you think Cap would have made when he went back to be with Peggy! Keep up the great content!
when cap went back to be with peggy, and then time caught up with him, so much would have been different (as stated by another comment) and cap didn’t then travel back to the main timeline as said by somone in this video @ 1:55
then how did cap end up at that bench? he would have been in a different timeline!
Yeah, I'd say the events of Cap's alternate life are post the multiverse breach at the Loki Season Finale, to explain how he could come back to his main timeline after decades of living a life in a tangent to give Sam the new shield
Comics pretty much echoed my thoughts on the ending of Endgame. No way would Steve just stand back and watch shit like 9/11 or any MCU disaster happen.
Hey just wanted to say I love ur videos man! Keep up the good work!😎
I’d like to believe he did try to change things but the TVA just pruned him and reset the sacred timeline
I'd love to see a what if video about Steve preparing everyone for the big events like Thanos coming to earth
I like to imagine he became that timeline's Nick Fury
The new director of shield like in the Heroic Age and afterwards when he lost the serum? Would've been cool, as Peggy was one of the founding members of SHIELD
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 plus it could show us heroes from an earlier point in time in the what if series.
cap was simply just in a different timeline but by that logic he made a branch and should be pruned
Time Travel is whack like that. The TVA can both exist and not exist. So it's inevitable they'll miss a lot of timelines. Hell they didn't even notice Sylvie till she was a child so even with the TVA they miss things.
Depends, kang only prunes new timelines if they create an evil version of himself. So maybe cap created a new timeline that didn’t create an evil kang
Or all the events of Loki have "already" happened when Endgame happens, and the TVA isn't pruning anything anymore. The TVA exists outside of time. It's impossible to put the events of Loki on a timeline, lol. Everything that happened in that show happened simultaneously before & after all of the MCU movies and shows up to this point. Lol.
@@brontsmoth671 Everything that happened in that show happened simultaneously so it should have already been pruned
@@cynicalNA thats a 50 50 chance
if it’s true that peggy “replaced” him and is making an appearance in DS2, then most likely lmao
Hopefully not
Ds2?
Nvm doctor strange 2
Dark Souls 2
@@BlazikenWantsToKick …no
it's just that if steve went to an alternate timeline he should've been back on the plate thing that he left on
my theory is that the tva was destroyed by Loki eventually at some point, and because of that, the timeline where all this happened never got reset. The tva isn't located in a specific time, as we saw Morbius go from like 1500s to the tva and it was the same tva that Loki went to in 2012. So in that sense, technically they can destroy the tva at any time, and technically it would just mean that the tva was never created, or something along that line. And because of that, cap is just in an alternative universe and so is everyone in the MCU.
mmm wrong. Watch the part with ancient one and Dr. Banner. And if cap is in alternative universe...why we saw him at the end of Endgame? The timeline is one until episode 6 of Loki. And we can see it.
Even though the video is just out. Good video 👍
While it works in the movie the first time you see it as a great moment so much of this confusion would have been fixed if they had just had Steve return to the platform but now as an old man. Bruce even says "for him as long as he needs", while I get that when it first happens some people might think Bruce did something wrong and did to Steve what he did to Scott. But since Sam is going to ask "So did something go wrong or did something go right?" any way, that would clear up any confusion with the rest of the scene being able to play out like it did in the movie. Since while we can see that they are able to travel even further back with just the wristwatch. The impression you get in the movie for him to be able to return to the timeline he left, before we knew all of these TVA things, would have to be to return from where he left. Otherwise, why would he need to step on the platform in the first place to leave if it's the wristwatch almost functioning like a temp-pad teleporting you all over? Granted now that we know what we know about how the timeline worked before Loki, why would the TVA allow for there to be a single branch just for Steve to live out life and then return to the sacred timeline. Since if he lived in another timeline and was secretly working on changing history, that would itself create a bunch of branches on just his branch.
I guess Savitar was right, "that's the thing about time travel Barry, the more you do it the less the rules apply to you" :p
I agree all they had to do was bring him back through the machine and no one would have had all these questions.
at one time Loki was formidable, now just a sad excuse for a "god" of mischief. remember the one time when he threatened the world and avengers had to work overtime to take him down?
Remember that time when he got tricked by Natasha. Or when he got beat easily by Cap and Ironman. Or when Hulk demolished him. Or when Thor belittled him in Thor 1. Or when Clint hit him with an explosive arrow. He only posed a threat because he had an army. He would have been KO’D had he not had two infinity stones and an alien army.
@@the_belugaluga5286 oh noe, not belittling! "step bro, what are you doing? (well don't stop now)".
Yes I def want a video with what cap would do in the alternate timeline. Please make that video
I would love to see your take on what the other timeline looks like
Unless the what if series touches on it, I’d love to see your take on what might have happened if cap changes some things
I would love a video about what that other timeline would look like!
I’d sure love to see an MCU Captain America what if video from you.
I'm partial to the idea that it's Sam's shield... from the other timeline.
Cap - "How does it feel?"
Sam - "like someone else's."
Cap - "It isn't."
Cap is literally saying THAT shield belongs to Sam.
He never suits back up as Cap officially, but he knows that when the time is right, the mantle will be helmed by his replacement. When the world needs it most. And when it happens, T'Challa orders another one be made.
Sam is awarded the SHIELD and serves. Perhaps he has it long enough to retire. Or maybe he's killed in battle while still young. Either way, Cap knows who to give it to.
Still waiting on the flash finally review
I'd love to see a video on the acts of Cap. America. Hell, a movie or an episode in something like What If would be awesome.
Agent of shield’s explanation is simpler
Same rules different methods
They explained it better than Endgame and basically confirmed that Steve traveled between timelines to get to the og timeline
@@qifuhyue3568 lol
@@qifuhyue3568 basically
I think the new timeline was completely different. I’d love to see a video on it (and I have a few ideas if my own that you might find interesting.)
Unless the events of Loki happened before Steve travelled to the past the Sacred Timeline should still be in effect so the 2 Caps in 1 timeline theory makes more sense to me even though it's out of character for Cap to do nothing.
There is still multiverse within the sacred timeline. Cap being with Peggy probably did not create a nexus event. Even though it created a new timeline. Kang only prunes the timelines that create evil versions of himself, so Cap being with Peggy probably didn’t become a nexus event but still is a different timeline from the main MCU
@@cynicalNA
You make a good point but the destination between a multiverse & multiple timelines is slim.
@@cynicalNA but what makes a nexus event like what if a guy choose to take a bus and not a train
such an epic movie tht even 2 years after its initial release people are talking about it !!!!
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would love to see a vid on what would have happend if Steve changed stuff
9:27 💯💯💯!!! I’d immediately watch that vid
I'm going to assume what happened was since it was according to the timeline that cap was supposed to do that I'm guessing what happened was they waited until he lived out his full life after he left that timeline and went back to his original the TVA pruned it
If they ever wanna bring Cap back, they can just "push time through" him instead of him through time. Like they accidentally did to Scott.
Captain America also said that trying to prevent a war before it begins causes people to get hurt every time. So maybe he had that mindset about altering the past in fear of messing things up worse
I just thought that since cap returned the stones he must have encountered red skull there i wonder how their interaction went
Can You Do He Man vs Thor, Because of the new Netflix He man
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In black widow red guardian says he fought cap. So maybe he did fight future cap. He also could have teamed up with the ancient one and used her for info on what he could change without messing everything up which would give her a reason to look at the future and another reason to know about strange
To be honest, even if Cap did go to a branch timeline, you'll still find yourself in the position of having to handwave away him returning the stones, like Cap returning the tesseract and sceptre to Hydra knowing that they'll weaponise them. Maybe you'd say he knows clipping the branches is for the greater good. But wouldn't that also apply to him living in the original timeline unseen? Either way, regardless of whether he lived in an alternate or the original timeline, Cap still has to do things that'll lead to bad things happening in the short term in order to achieve long term success. The whole argument about 'Cap wouldn't let that happen' is kinda flimsy because in order to be consistent you'd have to say Cap was out of character for not telling the 2012 Avengers about Hydra infiltrating SHIELD or whatever bad thing that's about to come. It'd effectively apply to every scenario in which Cap travels back in time.
Not sure if there's many speed feats to go off of this season for the flash but if it's alright could you please just work out how fast barry was going when he save those people from the stadium that was like the fastest thing I seen from the Flash outside of maybe flash time although I could be wrong
I choose to believe he lived in another Timeline that wasn't pruned cause despite technically happening before Loki it also happened after cause Time Travel is whack like that.
Actually loki explains why he didn't get pruned. You see since the avengers and Steve were *supposed* to time travel, it just means that it doesn't create a branch timeline. Instead, he lived in the sacred timeline, so the theories about Old Man Steve being in the background of the MCU check out.
@@souryak1251 That doesn't explain shit. That only explains why they ignored it. That doesn't explain whether or not caps in a different timeline. What does explain that caps in a different timeline is the actual rules they've already set in place and are described in this video. Meaning there's no way it could be the same timeline, by their own rules.
Exactly. One of the alternate timelines is Agent Carter’s even though that’s set in the 40’s. So technically the multiverse has existed since the beginning.
I would love to see a video about what if Steve went back in time and save the world
if there are 2 caps in 1945 then that means canonically there were 3 caps during the battle of new york
THE FLASH SEASON 7 IS SICK!!!
All Steve did was watch
Roadhouse
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Time is funny of course but i think the version of endgame we see is meant to take place after loki. Steve probably made a branch timeline but the TVA didn't purge it because of what we have seen.
I don't think the TVA prunes all alternate timelines; just the ones that produce a Kang/Rama-Tut/Immortus/Scarlet Centurion. The Redline is the point at which he becomes inevitable. If Cap going back and making a better world doesn't crank out a Kang, the Sacred Timeline is safe, and nobody gets pruned.
If he did jump in the past to another timeline, how would he explain the Cap which eventually gets discovered in ice? there would definitely be questions made
I think you misunderstood the way time travel works in Endgame or at least the speech by The Hulk.
The point is that The Hulk is wrong when he explains time travel.
He's corrected later by The Ancient One but at the time he thinks the timeline is fixed.
The Ancient One later corrects him by saying that The Infinity Stones create the flow of time and removing one creates a branch.
That's why they go back and put them back so that branches aren't created
He went to wakanda to get a new shield made, the panther god told them current black panther to let him get one. He then gave it to Sam, therefore it seems "segmented".
This is NOT out of character. I think Cap as the individual who does ALWAYS stand up for what's right did exactly that...he did nothing because changing the timeline would be far more dangerous then the chitauri or Ultron. I think it's more likely there have always been two caps in a loop
I would love a Dr. Comics’ What-IF
Ever since Spider-Man Homecoming there’s always been 2 Captain America Shields. If you watch Homecoming and just before Happy loads all of Tony’s inventions he says “ Cap’s new prototype shield” If it was the old shield why call it new bc sometimes it’s been sprayed a different color like in the beginning of The Winter Soldier movie for a covert mission. That’s how Steve has a shield when going back in time even though everyone’s seen Thanos destroy it.
Make a vid on how fast the flash is now he just got a bug boost in the finale
Video on season 7?
Would love to see a flash top speed update after the season 7 finale
Mr UK is here I haven't watched the season yet but I hope it's good
9:32
Could be an interesting story too
I would like to see your theory on what cap would've done in the alternate timeline.
You remember how Bucky, Steve’s BFF, killed his old friend and his friend’s wife, orphaning his new friend? Remember how was still going to stand by Bucky’s side and defend him even after all of that. Even after his other friends were being detained, out on the run, and paralyzed? Yeah I don’t get it either when I put it that way. My point is, his arc was made full circle when he “left” his best friends to have that dance with his “old flame”. Up to this point it was about moving on, because there’s nothing to be done, but once he got the chance he took it; that’s literally the plot of the entire movie. That’s like saying it’s out of character for the Avengers to do whatever it took just because they didn’t do it in Infinity War. No, that’s the point, that’s the arc.
Idea: What if in the What If series shows doctor strange looking at the timeline that Cap went back to.
Can you make a video about 'how strong and fast Omni man is'.
Yes to all those suggestions ajd your thoughts on Nora and Bart
Do what if with cap with future knowledge !!
Steve got the Sheild from wakanda before he went back in time
The one thing they don't mention in their own time travel rules, is that you can't change the past assuming you know everything, and have nothing but the truth. Yes cap can change the timeline, but we don't know for sure that he did, or that there weren't two caps in our timeline. The way it works is schrodiners cat, quantum entanglement. Neither cap, nor us have directly observed this time period, and while the principle is like the cat, with time travel when you observe the cat, you either make a new dead cat(cap laying low with peggy in a new timine), make a new living cat(cap changing new timeline), or the cat stays both dead and alive because we've added a temporal element, where the cat can be both because of states from different points interacting(cap goes back and discovers Peggy has no husband originally in our timeline, but in so doing becomes her husband in our timeline)
Marvel take on time travel is very questionable. Remember when banner met ancient one and she told him if she give her the stone the timeline will split and Bruce answered we'll return the stone at the same moment. It's all good uptill now. But according to time travel if you change anything in past that will be your future mean you'll create a new timeline, so when banner took the stone from the past timeline will split and when they again go back to the same time and make changes timeline will split once again. As captain also went back in time or to a new timeline.
But the Ancient One isn’t as powerful or knowledgeable as He Who Remains.
Hopefully we'll get these questions and more answered in What If but who knows
Also, what did he do to mjolnir
Like when Thor took it from the past, the past thor still had mjolnir like you said with the shield and stuff, so, I'm curious about that
Miss your channel man.
Please can you do how strong is hancock please
How did he get back to the main timeline though?
He must have had 1 vial of Pym particles left. Even though he spent decades in the alt time-line, technically his time travel device was still connected to the primary MCU time-line. The only question is, how did he get to the bench, given that it's implied that he was supposed to re-appear on the pad. For me that's the only real plot hole with this scene, although it's not a major, and I imagine someone's thought of an explanation around it
"It would mean Red Guardian wasnt lying in Black Widow if there were actually 2 Caps the whole time." true though
@John C.A.T
(before watches) for me the only question about it is, how the hell did he manage to travel between timelines? because by living with peggy he created a new timeline so he would have had to use the quantum tunnel to go back, unless for some reason even in the original timeline, that already happened...
Maybe it’s entirely possible that the kang variant that created the timeline had a built in paradox just for Steve to live his life out. We know it’s something he’s thought of because he offered to do the same thing for Loki and sylvie. This way Steve doesn’t create a branched timeline, and anything he does in the sacred timeline was supposed to happen anyways, all while staying within the rules established by endgame and Loki.
Ya that would be a cool video
Well my argument here would be that maybe captain learned from their fight with Thanos and Tony's death that altering the past will make a lot of bad things happen so he just lived his life peacefully
Yes let’s see a capt America what if video.
Bro he would sit back think about it he knows it ends well
Ruthless by Sick YG? Nice. Love Anarchy Reigns.
Maybe cap from another timeline came to this one with stark or hulks help (thats why different shield) and our cap is living in anther timeline
My problem with the TVA is they make character choice pointless. If Tony doesnt kill himself and Thanos they erase it until he does.
Why didn't the legends/time masters stop barry from creating flashpoint?
Maybe he did fight the red guardian?
Do an update on the how strong goku is or the strongest in dbs.
The problem this theory is that if you change one thing let’s say you change the battle New York so looking at open the portal the avengers never farm what means Thanos comes in on challenge and it never gets reversed I’ll come and get you never learn that he’s the one he’s going to need to stop it the simple thing isThat time travel is messy and that she didn’t change stuff maybe he did maybe was just in the background subtly changing the fate of time
Guys I’m confused in season 4 episode 15 Cisco couldn’t open a breach because of flashtime but in episode 22 he could. And I know this was 3 years ago
I think I would a what if story involving cap
I think Steve wouldn't have done anything because he knows things would end up bad in the end if he does. Plus the instant he pulls a linchpin he changes the entire future into something completely different. I think this Steve is the one who Peggy married in this timeline but now that Loki happened we can also see a Steve that changed things. Both the writers and the directors can be right.
i loved loki
I feel like the reason cap let go his responsability is because his super soldier serum have finally lost its power and cap went back to being the old steve roger before he get his serum because its the serum that amplified his good side to a maximum, because he went back to normal now his mind just become normal person again. That also explain his aging because his serum was suppose to halt his aging like crazy, now he looks like a frail old man.
Well keep in mind that Cap by the end of Endgame would've physically been pushing if not already middle age so adding another 100+ years of physical aging with the serum intact would logically result in him looking like an old man. So basically the dude is a walking fossil but still looks like he's in his 80's. I say that serum definitely did it's job lol
@@acecashman1237 Well, maybe he just wanna have a good time after saving the world then, knowing they would win. Maybe he just doesnt wanna mess the path they took to defeat thanos.
Yes, it would be interesting to see how the world would have changed.
I think captain America change the timeline he was in so much that he was able to keep his universe’s shield from breaking. That’s why it looks different
We may see everything cap did on the new timeline in the "What If" series
It is kinda crazy that it changed iron man so now actually they are a time Travel and you can now actually make you self older but I did not actually think that captain America actually done this😢 so really he is ment to be 39 and right now but now actually might die so 😢 early it comes to a R.I.P😭