How ISPs Violate the Laws of Mathematics

Sdílet
Vložit
  • čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
  • Get a free trial of Audible at audible.com/minutephysics or by texting 'minutephysics' to 500500
    Support MinutePhysics on Patreon! / minutephysics
    Link to Patreon Supporters: www.minutephysics.com/supporters/
    MinutePhysics is on twitter - @minutephysics
    And facebook - / minutephysics
    This joke video is about how Internet Service Providers (aka ISPs, internet companies, telecommunications companies, etc) violate the basic axioms of Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory. Like the axiom of choice (sometimes Well-ordering theorem), the Axiom of extensionality, Axiom of regularity (also called the Axiom of foundation), Axiom schema of specification, Axiom of pairing, Axiom of union, Axiom schema of replacement, Axiom of infinity, Axiom of power set.
    Minute Physics provides an energetic and entertaining view of old and new problems in physics -- all in a minute!
    Created by Henry Reich
  • Věda a technologie

Komentáře • 4,2K

  • @fromvoid3764
    @fromvoid3764 Před 5 lety +17522

    Just keep an eye on them.
    When they start to violate the laws of thermodynamics we could be in serious trouble.

    • @jurajpangrac7910
      @jurajpangrac7910 Před 5 lety +1608

      They already do. Their customer service is a perpetual cycle of bullshit

    • @gsvick
      @gsvick Před 5 lety +467

      In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

    • @tmschutter
      @tmschutter Před 5 lety +198

      If they could figure that out they could save us from the inevitable fate of heat death.

    • @lyrimetacurl0
      @lyrimetacurl0 Před 5 lety +53

      A lava monster version of Judge Dredd will come out and say "you betrayed the LAW!"

    • @dr.velious5411
      @dr.velious5411 Před 5 lety +79

      Turns out the entire industry is run by lovecraftian old gods and staffed by cultists and fishmen.

  • @who-the-fuckgivesafuck
    @who-the-fuckgivesafuck Před 5 lety +8421

    Honestly I'm more concerned about them breaking actual laws in this story.

    • @58209
      @58209 Před 3 lety +765

      depending on where minutephysics lives, it may be perfectly legal to give customers this runaround scam. ISPs in the US are broken up in to local monopolies and frequently pull this BS, promising one price then charging another, changing prices mid-contract, charging fees that don't actually pay for any additional service, all on top of pitiful internet service. and the ISPs can get away with it because they're the ones lobbying for the laws to make it legal.

    • @awesomeninja1311
      @awesomeninja1311 Před 3 lety +102

      ........ emmmm........ if this is ok.... sauce..... to ... your pfp?

    • @danielderamus9573
      @danielderamus9573 Před 3 lety +251

      Oh don’t worry the ISPs won’t break any of the laws they’ve paid for and written

    • @reaper_playz1163
      @reaper_playz1163 Před 3 lety +8

      Does canada do this BS?

    • @smokeypillow
      @smokeypillow Před 3 lety +6

      That’s the whole point of the video

  • @nope1918
    @nope1918 Před rokem +1167

    Reminds me of my dealings with an ISP that we shall call Comcast (because it was Comcast). I only had internet through them, because internet was all I wanted. But at least once a week they would call me and try to sell me cable, despite my insistence that I didn't even own a TV (which was true, I only had a computer).
    But one day, they offered me a deal I simply couldn't refuse: a bundle of cable and internet that would cost less per month than internet by itself. They were so desperate to sell me cable that they offered it at a negative price. So I accepted. And when the cable box arrived I promptly shoved it in my closet because I still didn't own a TV.
    And thus, my problem of them calling me once a week to sell me cable was solved. Until they started calling me once a week to ask if I needed help setting up the cable box...

    • @RadicalGarry
      @RadicalGarry Před rokem +70

      Th… they sold it for a _negative_ price? How? Does that mean _they_ paid _you?_

    • @nope1918
      @nope1918 Před rokem +315

      @@RadicalGarry Internet = $50/month
      Internet + Cable = $40/month
      Therefore, it stands to reason that the cable portion was -$10/month.

    • @melody3741
      @melody3741 Před 5 měsíci +282

      “We shall call comcast (because it was comcast)” is fucking hilarious

    • @entangledatoms7153
      @entangledatoms7153 Před 5 měsíci +87

      Imagine if you had accepted them to help you with the cable box, and then they would come over to find out you really don’t have a tv.

    • @qwertyca
      @qwertyca Před 5 měsíci +76

      @@melody3741 Well, we should *really* call them "an ISP that starts with a C and ends with a T, but unfortunately their name is longer than 4 letters though their behavior is not".

  • @Gehargen2
    @Gehargen2 Před 4 lety +1163

    My personal favorite is when trying to troubleshoot my connection with my ISP, packets were arriving from both the past and the future (packets from both 1960 AND 2020, but this happened in 2016). So not only do ISPs violate mathematics, but also time!

    • @AG45.
      @AG45. Před rokem +30

      and time is a part of physics

    • @ericblenner-hassett3945
      @ericblenner-hassett3945 Před rokem +66

      I did tech support for Comcast out of an office in Edmonton Alberta... I have seen this a few times, usually in Arizona.... what is worse is when you can see the order of packets you sent ( example 1,2,3,4 ) and not only the date, the order and delay for those packets ( example 1 - 300 ping, 4 - 200 ping, 2 - 800 ping, 3 - 120 ping ). If you live in Texas, check they actually use copper as over 10 years ago Comcast Home Internet was barely faster than dial up and had ping, signal strength, etc to indicate they were re-using the old aluminum telegraph lines in some sections of the state.

    • @Nate-bd8fg
      @Nate-bd8fg Před rokem +38

      Well all your packets incoming SHOULD be from the past

    • @ok-qz7cx
      @ok-qz7cx Před rokem +68

      @@Nate-bd8fg that 56 year ping kinda go crazy tho

    • @TinyDeskEngineer
      @TinyDeskEngineer Před rokem +2

      ...what?

  • @bishikaa
    @bishikaa Před 5 lety +6632

    When you get left on hold so long you write a script for a math video.

  • @TheInkSideofThings
    @TheInkSideofThings Před 5 lety +5477

    Normal person when they get ripped off: Call the provider and resolve the situation
    Minutephysics:

    • @laoganmafootballclub6632
      @laoganmafootballclub6632 Před 5 lety +90

      I don't think normal people can resolve a problem in a way that benefits them... this guy though

    • @andrehashimoto8056
      @andrehashimoto8056 Před 5 lety +54

      @@laoganmafootballclub6632 he will make Customer Service people start crying, quit job and when Manager gets thrown tye job of solving it he/she will simply suicide rather than deal with a customer who's complaining about any given set of rules & laws of Mathematics or physics being broken by their Services.

    • @cobra6481
      @cobra6481 Před 4 lety +11

      @@H-to-O Yes, holding them up to bears as offerings will set a GREAT example for the others!

    • @Silverwind87
      @Silverwind87 Před 4 lety

      At least this won't waste the operator's time.

    • @SweetEssie
      @SweetEssie Před 3 lety +5

      Don't call the provider. Go on twitter and tweet about them. You will get better and faster service. You might even get a competitor's better deal.

  • @baileyface54
    @baileyface54 Před rokem +223

    When I was working in customer care and even as a manager, I can't tell you how many times I've tried to lead people to conclusions that would fix their problem that I wasn't technically allowed to offer. I've many times basically said "I can't tell you that you can't do that" with a satisfied grin as I was happy to hear when they finally got it. I would always know it was coming to when I laid out all the peices. "...Wait....what if" in my head "finally they got it"

    • @wuketuke6601
      @wuketuke6601 Před 5 měsíci +11

      what kinds of solutions arent u allowed to offer in customer care? isnt the whole point of customer care to give solutions?

    • @LadislausKallig
      @LadislausKallig Před 5 měsíci

      @@wuketuke6601 yes, but also to make customers spend more. So workers could be told to offer more expensive solutions instead of cheaper or free ones.

    • @JustQerq
      @JustQerq Před 5 měsíci +40

      @@wuketuke6601 The ones that lose company money.

    • @inyobill
      @inyobill Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@wuketuke6601 depends on who's definition you're using. short answer, "no", not normally.

    • @boyishdude1234
      @boyishdude1234 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@wuketuke6601 Because of regulations and other issues, more often than not companies (especially corporations) are more than happy to scam customers to try and squeeze more money out of them, and sometimes if you value your principles more than the company's bottom-line and you get caught, you'll be fired.

  • @dillon3426
    @dillon3426 Před 4 lety +895

    Math teachers when you tell them that you’ll never use maths in daily life:

    • @madlad255
      @madlad255 Před 4 lety +21

      You're right because everyone breaks maths anyway!

    • @dumpeeplarfunny
      @dumpeeplarfunny Před rokem +6

      You need to know how to use it before you know when you'll use it.

    • @fangier0
      @fangier0 Před rokem

      Probably no one cares but I was the 700th like

  • @SaraWolffs
    @SaraWolffs Před 5 lety +2779

    "It's not not allowed." Classical logic joke right there.

    • @Verpal
      @Verpal Před 5 lety +126

      Unfortunately, not not allow doesn't equal to allowed, at best it is cannot confirm.

    • @powerinknowledge2392
      @powerinknowledge2392 Před 5 lety +13

      @@Verpal I think anyone with half a brain could figure out what someone would mean

    • @Verpal
      @Verpal Před 5 lety +52

      @@powerinknowledge2392 Unfortunately, we live in a world whereas most have full brain, but refuse to even use half of it.

    • @quack3891
      @quack3891 Před 5 lety +64

      @@Verpal enter me, I break your statement by having half a brain, and using none of it

    • @janstefanisin320
      @janstefanisin320 Před 4 lety +13

      I just dont know... You mean Classical _ logic joke or Classical logic_ joke?

  • @aldosalthren
    @aldosalthren Před 5 lety +4301

    top tip for everybody trying to pause on the ISP's name, you can use a comma to skip back a single frame and a period to skip forward a single frame while paused

  • @Outpost67
    @Outpost67 Před 3 lety +53

    As somone who used to take manager calls for a telecommunications company I can say with confidence the best part of that job is being able to say "I can't tell you that you CAN'T do that"

  • @americano2424
    @americano2424 Před 4 lety +461

    Not gonna lie I thought this was gonna be a video about how Internet Standard Protocol is actually mathematically impossible.

    • @KungKras
      @KungKras Před 3 lety +3

      same

    • @darkestccino5405
      @darkestccino5405 Před rokem +2

      Could you elaborate?

    • @gblargg
      @gblargg Před rokem +42

      I assumed it would be about how they offer you more bandwidth than they could actually provide to all customers at once (under-provisioning).

    • @jsterdawg72
      @jsterdawg72 Před rokem +1

      Lol same

    • @stonefreak5763
      @stonefreak5763 Před 5 měsíci +2

      same

  • @DylanTallchief
    @DylanTallchief Před 5 lety +2002

    when a mathematician tells a joke

    • @petesetabandhu
      @petesetabandhu Před 5 lety +2

      You're here! Hi!

    • @sergecjprojects8429
      @sergecjprojects8429 Před 5 lety +2

      Please tell crow not to copy VR

    • @markus3666
      @markus3666 Před 5 lety +3

      a 6 minute joke lmao

    • @EbuCallinav
      @EbuCallinav Před 5 lety +12

      Actually it's around a 5 minute joke, the joke starts at 0:05 and ends at 5:04

    • @Deus69xxx1
      @Deus69xxx1 Před 5 lety +7

      what does a mathematician do when he's constipated?
      works it out with a pencil.

  • @jackkraken3888
    @jackkraken3888 Před 5 lety +2255

    I couldn't do my homework.
    Why?
    My ISP broke maths.

  • @thebananarepublic7255
    @thebananarepublic7255 Před 4 lety +86

    You start freaking out and the manager says: "Are you ok?"
    And you say: "Sir, you have broken mathematics as we speak."

  • @Calicifier
    @Calicifier Před 4 lety +20

    I worked for over 500 ISP's that outsourced their work to us. It was hell, and we had to talk in grey areas and shady business. Like "can I just return the router" scenarios, I had to lead people with questions to what they wanted. "So you said you wanted x, but currently are not getting it, what would you like to ask for so I can help you."

  • @twistedgwazi5727
    @twistedgwazi5727 Před 5 lety +1974

    Spectrum violates another law of mathematics. 100mbps is what I ordered, and I usually get around 5mbps. And 100=/=5.

    • @blak4831
      @blak4831 Před 4 lety +595

      No no no, see, you ordered *up to* 100mbps

    • @Jaymes2A
      @Jaymes2A Před 4 lety +100

      100 mbps wired. Keep that in mind. If it’s WiFi it will be less. You should get over 100 wired like 115-120 over. If not call a tech.

    • @pprit6927
      @pprit6927 Před 4 lety +51

      @@Jaymes2A are you serious?because my plan is 50 and i get max 44

    • @pprit6927
      @pprit6927 Před 4 lety +8

      Im on wired

    • @Minecraftrok999
      @Minecraftrok999 Před 4 lety +86

      @@pprit6927
      Yes wired is better,
      NO it does Not mean you get the promised Speed.
      Your Speed is highly dependant on your cable to the House, your ISP, usage in your neighbourhood, total Traffic at ISP and Last, but definetly Not least the Speed of the Server you Are connecting to (e.g. Steam when you Download a Game)
      I pay for 500 Mbits, yet Sometimes only receive 20 and even lower than that With some Services.

  • @grapefruittango4707
    @grapefruittango4707 Před 5 lety +836

    "You can't *not* do that" is a sign of someone who hates the job but cares about the customers at least a little bit

    • @paulb4334
      @paulb4334 Před 5 lety +64

      Reminded me of the scene in The incredibles where Bob tries to help the old lady.

    • @Bobman279
      @Bobman279 Před 5 lety +3

      That has got the be the best bit of this video :D LMAO

    • @Brewhound77
      @Brewhound77 Před 5 lety +44

      My favorite response to people who desperately need but are prohibited by company policy from obtaining necessary information: "I'm prohibited from discussing the account with you, but let's say hypothetically that a customer was in said situation, one would need to take this course of action..." QA can't touch you because hypothetical implications are not statements of facts. Sadly, very few third parties can read betwixt the lines, and would prefer to a to speak to a supervisor about what an unhelpful asshole I am.

    • @newolku
      @newolku Před 5 lety +1

      Can't not

    • @AdeptPaladin
      @AdeptPaladin Před 5 lety +5

      Brewhound77 Unless the QA bit is tied to legal disclosure and non-disclosure requirements. Then you are still on the hook.

  • @Bwabel
    @Bwabel Před 3 lety +240

    “I would like the $25 bundle of popcorn and soda.”
    “Ok that’s 20 for popcorn and 5 for soda”
    “Oh then i’ll just have soda. My friend doesn’t really care.”
    “Just the soda... that’ll be 10 dollars”
    *“What..?”*
    Edit: Guys it’s a joke i know it’s normal and it’s what places do, i made a joke about it

    • @58209
      @58209 Před 3 lety +11

      the point of charging overall "less" for bundling with additional hardware is that they make a little more off the rental fee on the hardware, which most people forget about, and then when the bundle promotion ends the rental fee jacks up even more, and in the span of a year you've been charged enough that you could have just bough the hardware outright several times over.
      it's a real headache for people who know how to set up their own modem and router to try and save money, especially if the ISP charges an additional fee for refusing to rent the ISP's hardware.

    • @wesleymays1931
      @wesleymays1931 Před 3 lety +11

      "Just the soda... $30"
      "What..?"
      "And a $20 convenience fee"

    • @FanboyFilms
      @FanboyFilms Před 3 lety +3

      There's an unbundling fee.

    • @Xomsabre
      @Xomsabre Před 3 lety +2

      How does this surprise you though? Every fast food joint does this.
      I want a Whopper. That'll be $3.99
      I want a Medium drink. That'll be $1.49
      I want a Medium fry. That'll be $1.79
      I want a Whopper with a medium drink and fry. That'll be $5.99
      Or how about at the grocery store.
      I'd like a half-dozen eggs. $0.59
      A Dozen? $0.89
      A Dozen and a half? $1.19
      5 Dozen? $2.99
      Buying things a la cart tends to cost more than in a combo just like buying things in small quantities costs more per unit than buying in bulk. It doesn't make sense in most situations--there's no extra work put forth to get you that Medium drink by itself than there is to get it in a meal... but they charge you more for it anyway.

    • @smokeypillow
      @smokeypillow Před 3 lety

      That’s normal

  • @samueltukua3061
    @samueltukua3061 Před 4 lety +195

    I spent a year taking a Uni course in set theory JUST so I could understand this video. Absolutely fantastic btw.

  • @halfnwhole751
    @halfnwhole751 Před 5 lety +2338

    When ISP is so broken it breaks mathematics

  • @josephmekhail7692
    @josephmekhail7692 Před 5 lety +3018

    Oh shit, I wandered into the smart people side of CZcams

    • @thegardenofeatin5965
      @thegardenofeatin5965 Před 5 lety +244

      Stick around, we've got postulates.

    • @pipo8561
      @pipo8561 Před 5 lety +51

      The Garden of Eatin
      I heard “we got postulates” in that same tone as an excited teen saying “we got makeup!!”

    • @josephmekhail7692
      @josephmekhail7692 Před 5 lety +20

      @@thegardenofeatin5965 na I dont belong, I dont know what tf a postulate is

    • @ania9755
      @ania9755 Před 5 lety +42

      @@josephmekhail7692 Its the smart people way of saying "rule" or "fact"

    • @MrNettoon
      @MrNettoon Před 4 lety

      Yea u want the dumb guys go to fox

  • @berkormanli
    @berkormanli Před 5 měsíci +8

    I saw this video and called my cellular provider. I've started talking about these axioms and said to give me a better price and take out the services I don't use. Now I'm dealing with the possibilities of facing a bunch of lawsuits, proving me (thus you) right. Thanks!

  • @evaristegalois6282
    @evaristegalois6282 Před 5 lety +3677

    When ISPs violate the laws of mathematics
    _Stop! You have violated the Law! Pay the court a fine or serve your sentance. Your stolen goods are now forfeit_

    • @mystomachhurt9312
      @mystomachhurt9312 Před 5 lety +64

      Thank you, kind sir

    • @campkira
      @campkira Před 5 lety +8

      Human law is less mathematics.

    • @Esablaka
      @Esablaka Před 5 lety +69

      r/unexpectedOblivion

    • @yashdeole1413
      @yashdeole1413 Před 5 lety +6

      If they would have violated the laws of Physics, they would get a NOBEL PRIZE

    • @teemuaho4807
      @teemuaho4807 Před 5 lety +1

      @@Esablaka how can i delete your comment?

  • @aubinmoraes3887
    @aubinmoraes3887 Před 5 lety +824

    1900s: they will be flying cars in the future.
    2019: my ISP broke mathematics.

    • @IceMetalPunk
      @IceMetalPunk Před 5 lety +17

      To be fair, we *do* have flying cars. They're just called "roadable aircraft" and they require a pilot's license because, duh, they're flying.

    • @davidmurphy1207
      @davidmurphy1207 Před 5 lety +21

      @@IceMetalPunk Let's be honest. People will probably never be able to just get in a car a fly off without a pilot's license. We can't drive on the ground without wrecking into eachother. Can you imagine the destruction if everyone was just given the ability to fly too?

    • @garisonhayne668
      @garisonhayne668 Před 5 lety +4

      @@davidmurphy1207 Yes, I can! It reduces the probability of collision with each other by a large factor! More Volume! Safety == Flying Cars! The probability of touching the ground however remains the same ;)

    • @coolguy284_2
      @coolguy284_2 Před 5 lety +1

      2018: there will be ASI by 2045
      Dec 2044: ?????

    • @richardgates7479
      @richardgates7479 Před 5 lety +1

      @Garison Hayne
      The only reason it's safe is because pilots are trained and they follow flight paths. I've personally twice seen a car going the wrong way on the freeway at night. There's no possible way to avoid a collision if everyone were just randomly flying around in the air.

  • @Gamer3427
    @Gamer3427 Před rokem +7

    I worked for Spectrum briefly as an over the phone tech support for their video services, though while I say that, I quit before the training was "technically" over, in that I quit after they put us on the floor by ourselves on the final week of training with effectively no supervision unless we deliberately asked for a supervisor to help us. The reason I quit was mostly because while we spent a few weeks in training prior to that point, at no point in the training process had they taught us how to solve any tech support issues aside from programming a tv remote. They hadn't even shown us how to use the "software", (essentially a flow chart), for helping customers, or even how to access it. Instead, we had spent pretty much the entire training period being taught how to upsell customers after we fixed their problems. You know, the thing we couldn't do because we hadn't been trained on it.

    • @Zack_Wester
      @Zack_Wester Před 5 měsíci +2

      ah... worked on site tech support for a short time.
      training. was more or less a fire drill video and don't sell nukes to Bun ladin and Alibaba and other terrorist organizations (I can´t even order USB cables I can not even request it for a long time)
      5 min on how to use the ticket software but not how any of the actual ticket software is to be used so ticket in (what do I put this as) i know how to close ticket whit a failure or success.
      i know how to put said ticket under me and put it as in progress, or how to read the cryptic messeng that is the ticket.
      no training was done on how to do you know of our actual work day to day work.

  • @zerothis23
    @zerothis23 Před rokem +5

    I had a 128k cable modem line that I paid $9.95 a month for. And I had a very important piece of equipment to use with this line, a cable modem that I owned rather than rented from the cable company. This line served my purposes. When the cable company would upgrade they would insist that I needed to upgrade my equipment and pay more for a higher speed. But my modem continued to function and they couldn't do a thing about it so long as I paid my bill. Fast forward to over 10 years later and the company is still insisted I need to pay more for a faster line and rent a newer modem from them. They also insisted I needed a router and a trap for the cable line. But my old modem still worked with their line, I had my own router, they could do nothing as long as I paid my bill. But then they introduced a 50 GB cap. I was not at all concerned, I had a 128k line. Somehow, 48 hours after the billing cycle I had reached my 50 GB cap. I ended up getting a $9.95 DSL line from a local company. So I guess I lost the battle with my cable company. They won. Congratulations.

    • @jibodagrey6500
      @jibodagrey6500 Před rokem

      thats not really surprising you can hit such an egregious cap, you can get up to 18GB per month out of a dialup connection @ 7kb/s.

    • @zerothis23
      @zerothis23 Před rokem +2

      @Jibo Da Grey well, I was peeking at 24kb/s on downloads and during those 48 hours I used email with no noticeable large attachments and browsed a few news web pages. But what really got my attention is the fact that I reached my cap at precisely at midnight to the exact second and it was precisely 50000000 bytes at that time. I was on the phone a long time with the 3rd party company that did the counting for the cable company. Their schedule showed steady use at all times despite variable use on my end (verified by my logs) including being disconnected for several hours while I compiled code and having my computer off while installing a graphics card.

    • @jibodagrey6500
      @jibodagrey6500 Před rokem +1

      @@zerothis23 oh.. well it doesnt surprise me either that an ISP is a lying scammer especially when they have such an egregious cap.

  • @limiv5272
    @limiv5272 Před 5 lety +912

    Not to brag, but about a month ago I got a new deal with my existing ISP, but unsurprisingly they charged me more than agreed upon. I called customer service and they said they'll look into it. Later that day they actually called me back to say that they listened to the original recording of the call in which I got the new deal and I was right and will be compensated! I'm still stunned! Also, minutephysics, you should've recorded the original conversation

    • @OthiOthi
      @OthiOthi Před 5 lety +63

      The fates favored you that day

    • @Brane_Ded
      @Brane_Ded Před 5 lety +31

      Depends on which state, if you can record them. Check local and state laws

    • @plankkton
      @plankkton Před 5 lety +68

      In my case, I was in the "wait" part of the call. Already waiting for 30min. I Just mentioned close to the Phone that I was recording the whole 30min wait, the ISP dudes magically showed up in the next second.

    • @adamfra64
      @adamfra64 Před 5 lety +4

      Taking electronic note.

    • @nathanielhill8156
      @nathanielhill8156 Před rokem +8

      @@Brane_Ded you can always record, some states just require you to tell them you are recording

  • @JohnAudioTech
    @JohnAudioTech Před 5 lety +810

    I didn't laugh at this because internet service providers are just this frustrating.

    • @nick1752
      @nick1752 Před rokem +2

      Same. However, rn I have an INSANELY cheap internet - when my ISP raised the prices, they accidently allowed "unbundling" of services... so now I have just an internet connection with no garbage which costs half of initial price.

  • @linuxdragon57
    @linuxdragon57 Před 3 lety +109

    I'm not a Physicist (though I really really love physics). I am, however, a Computer Scientist. Thus when I confronted my ISP about my service, I proceeded to explain how their infrastructure was shit and not worth the price they gave me. So then my bill went from $80 to $50. It's still not worth $50

    • @nicklitey7820
      @nicklitey7820 Před rokem +8

      Wait how did you manage this? Whenever we complain we just get "yeah we know but basically what you get it what you get". To be fair, there's literally no other option (except verizon DSL) so.. Who are you gonna go to?

    • @panda4247
      @panda4247 Před rokem

      Lol? Where do you have such big prices?
      I pay 17€/month for 300Mbps, including the wifi router

    • @GenarelGuy
      @GenarelGuy Před rokem +11

      @@panda4247 I'll give you a hint. The price is labeled with a $ symbol.

    • @panda4247
      @panda4247 Před rokem +3

      ​@@GenarelGuy well, there are at least 10 different dollars, and the US dollar is used in at least 10 other countries...
      With price that high, I would assume the answer is the US, but based on the "shit infrastructure" it might be Australia as well. Or any other of those countries, I don't know.
      But my point was not just ask, but also to point out that it is way too high..

    • @Merennulli
      @Merennulli Před 10 měsíci

      @@panda4247The US has some of the worst internet in the world relative to what we pay. Particularly if you don't live in a big city. I was paying $120 a month just a few years ago for what was ostensibly 20mbps but was more often in the range of 0.3mbps (not an exaggeration) AND for the last year I was getting disconnected multiple times a day in what I later learned was intentional load shedding meant to disrupt people's streaming or downloads to fake providing faster internet by reducing its actual usability. I also had trouble with their support. They would send a technician, I'd have to take off work to let the person in. It was always a hassle of waiting hours for them to eventually show up, but the last straw was when I waited 3 hours only to get notified that they marked it done an hour before the appointment, without ever coming to my house or actually doing anything.
      This was CenturyLink DSL, now Lumen/Brightspeed. Like what was described in this video, it was a bait-and-switch pricing (was supposed to be $70 but was $90, then they hiked it to $100 and then $120). Sadly, the alternatives managed to be worse.
      Thankfully, a county-focused federal grant program finally brought fiber to my county so I am now paying $70 for 300mbps and people across the county line just 10km away are extremely jealous (the company that took the grant for that county embezzled it so they're SOL for at least a few years still).

  • @JCtheMusicMan_
    @JCtheMusicMan_ Před 2 lety +8

    As an IT guy for a construction company with many new sites needing internet, I have observed a vast price difference for the same service. They will charge as much as they can get away with unless you argue and fight and that doesn’t always work.

  • @samueljett7807
    @samueljett7807 Před 5 lety +1961

    Internet: 19.99/mo
    *customer convenience fee: 29.99/mo*

    • @NJ-wb1cz
      @NJ-wb1cz Před 4 lety +62

      Where the heck do you live? North Pole?
      Internet 100mbit: 5$/mo
      500mbit: 10$/mo
      Customer service, router: free
      Also special prices if you threaten to switch to another provider

    • @lilypad2026
      @lilypad2026 Před 4 lety +73

      @@NJ-wb1cz where do you live? my internet is 300 mbit down for over 100 dollars

    • @anjusingh5510
      @anjusingh5510 Před 4 lety +23

      In india, 1gbps WiFi(3000gb) costs around Rs.3500(USD 50)

    • @huangjunwei7211
      @huangjunwei7211 Před 4 lety +24

      @@anjusingh5510 your WiFi have a limit?
      In SG, 1gbps, unlimited for 40SGD (30 USD)

    • @NJ-wb1cz
      @NJ-wb1cz Před 4 lety +24

      @@lilypad2026 Russia, Moscow. Other big cities have comparable rates.
      In remote places internet is obviously much more expensive.
      Oh, and obviously traffic is unlimited.

  • @BrickTsar
    @BrickTsar Před 5 lety +2079

    Why does the promised price go up but the promised speed go down?🤔

    • @Pinedal
      @Pinedal Před 5 lety +136

      That would be due to the 4th axiom of ISPs

    • @proccessingunit2337
      @proccessingunit2337 Před 5 lety +122

      A shit pi- I mean, Ajit Pai

    • @gabemerritt3139
      @gabemerritt3139 Před 5 lety +130

      Gotta love the $35 a month turning to $70 as your 30mbps becomes 3mbps and there are no other options for competition.

    • @harpiessnow
      @harpiessnow Před 5 lety +45

      Most of the time it is due to service providers only giving you the pricing for the base package, not a lot of the add-ons they tack on. Also, most service providers seem to refuse to calculate the taxes for service as well, giving more a broad spectrum estimate on monthly pricing. Unless the price difference was in the hundreds, either of these could be true.
      Edit: Also service providers have a stipulation in speeds for UP TO the amount advertised. By the legal write up, they could give you dial up speeds if they wanted to since you are paying for speeds up to a potential maximum speed. Big business is grand

    • @richardgates7479
      @richardgates7479 Před 5 lety +9

      Because they over-sell it.

  • @DUKE_of_RAMBLE
    @DUKE_of_RAMBLE Před rokem +13

    As a mathematics luddite, I'm quite amazed that I managed to follow along perfectly! Well done... 😏🙏😁
    Reminds me of cellular carriers, offering ""Unlimited [Bandwidth] High Speed Internet""...
    It may be unlimited, but trying to utilize it as such, you'll find there are many limitations.
    Then there's the fact they call it "high speed internet" instead of "broadband internet"... which is done so that they can exploit a loophole from the FCC. In which, by not offering "broadband", they in turn are not subject to the minimum requirements they need to meet. Since doing so would mean a huge expense on _their_ part.... Theeeyyy'd rather just use a synonym.
    Or in layman's terms: "🖕, FCC! 😊"

    • @tcscomment
      @tcscomment Před 5 měsíci

      not like the FCC serves any purpose

  • @auroa.mishra6667
    @auroa.mishra6667 Před 3 lety +5

    I am amazed and charmed how he made a simple negotiation with the customer service into a mathematical law breaking joke🤣🤣

  • @Zaddis
    @Zaddis Před 4 lety +880

    0:07 “who’s name will remain *unspoken*”
    *flashes charter spectrum for a frame*
    I see what you did there...

    • @marcozelioli
      @marcozelioli Před 4 lety +34

      More like 0:09 "Charter spectrum tv internet voice"

    • @spacemc6092
      @spacemc6092 Před 4 lety +20

      How did I not notice that.......

    • @theprofessor1554
      @theprofessor1554 Před 4 lety +36

      yeah as someone who uses spectrum (for lack of a better option).... Well, let's just say they're not the best, their internet is mediocre at best, unreliable and bad at worst.

    • @IamR3D88
      @IamR3D88 Před 4 lety +15

      Oh boy, wait til you guys hear about comcast!

    • @vedal1358
      @vedal1358 Před 4 lety +2

      Two frames, actually

  • @MOSMASTERING
    @MOSMASTERING Před 5 lety +706

    This is genius..
    And sadly all too familiar.
    I have dealt with NO LESS THAN THREE.. THREE!!! companies this year that have over charged me, lied about it and I needed to send them a copy of the phonecall which my android phone records in order to get my money back.
    Its not a mistake.. they literally LIE and are STEALING money.
    I now record EVERY phonecall.

    • @Roblafo
      @Roblafo Před 5 lety +86

      I would recommend reporting this to the FCC. They can done your issues a lot better than the customer service can.

    • @MarionetteDuAuguste
      @MarionetteDuAuguste Před 5 lety +41

      Blake Foster not with the current head of the fcc in charge

    • @Roblafo
      @Roblafo Před 5 lety +65

      @@MarionetteDuAuguste they actually will do help you though. I accidently broke my internet cable that ran through the ground into my house, and Frontier Communications wanted to change us $500 for the replacement. We said we wouldn't pay for it even though they had already told us that there was no charge. Then we sent a complaint form to the FCC and they took the bill off in 2 weeks.

    • @coows
      @coows Před 5 lety +20

      @@MarionetteDuAuguste also, the fcc head just wanted to remove net neutrality, not customer support

    • @joedellinger9437
      @joedellinger9437 Před 5 lety +15

      When I make calls like this I start by telling them the procedure for how to file a complaint with their regulator.

  • @574guy
    @574guy Před rokem +4

    Despite being lost in all of the axiom talk, I still found this amusing.
    Good content

  • @towldllr4854
    @towldllr4854 Před 4 lety +36

    "Sir, this is a Wendy's"

    • @nmarbletoe8210
      @nmarbletoe8210 Před 4 lety +1

      Can you get an impossible burger at Wendy's?

  • @Nirakolov
    @Nirakolov Před 5 lety +54

    I like this story 'cuz where i'm at there's only 2 ISPs, AT&T and Shaw. The easiest way to lower your price is to claim the other has given you a fictional better "special" offer, because it's actually illegal for the two companies to know each other's private offers - but they CAN communicate that a special offer has been offered and attempt to match it. After 3~4 phones calls to both you can get pretty much at most 30% off (which they will reneg on, but you'll still have a better discount)

  • @LifeGeneralist
    @LifeGeneralist Před 5 lety +593

    Marketing and Mathematics do not like each other

    • @DanteKG.
      @DanteKG. Před 5 lety +2

      Nice Tomorrowland profile pic

    • @user-zu1ix3yq2w
      @user-zu1ix3yq2w Před 5 lety +5

      Fraudsters dislike truth

    • @Volvith
      @Volvith Před 5 lety +13

      Because marketing relies on twisting the truth in such a way that it becomes preferable to reality, while mathematics if a force inherently tied to reality.

    • @Ritefita
      @Ritefita Před 5 lety

      marketing likes nothing except slavery

  • @man2842
    @man2842 Před 4 lety +10

    When you're salty that your ISP overcharged you so you make a video about how their business model doesn't coincide with mathematic laws.

  • @RenderingUser
    @RenderingUser Před 4 lety +4

    minute physics is the only person who is ever allowed to say "let me talk to your manager"

    • @blacksnow7106
      @blacksnow7106 Před rokem

      idk about your experience with ISP call centers but lower-level customer service can't do anything except answer questions. If you have problems, especially with plans and/or services, it's better to ask for managers

  • @Dracostar11
    @Dracostar11 Před 5 lety +400

    This video was a mathematical middle finger to ISP’s

    • @ysink
      @ysink Před 5 lety +1

      Spectrum. Their isp.

    • @guestimator121
      @guestimator121 Před 5 lety +1

      Too bad they're too dumb to get it

    • @magisterrleth3129
      @magisterrleth3129 Před 5 lety +3

      And yet the ISP can still count their money, laugh, and give the middle finger right back.

  • @XperimentorEES
    @XperimentorEES Před 5 lety +404

    You probably could've convinced the manager faster if you explained how they were committing false advertising, but that would be significantly lacking in mathematics.

    • @mytech6779
      @mytech6779 Před 5 lety +41

      It actually sounds like a bait and switch or just flat out fraudulent practices or contract violation, which all can have legal teeth equal or greater than than false advertising, in court.

    • @olgierdvoneverec4135
      @olgierdvoneverec4135 Před 5 lety +17

      surprisingly not, the companies are very well versed in how their publicity contains a certain loophole and will only lead to a 30 min explanation of the loophole, in this case how they offer internet for $40 but never advertised the price of the modem, so they are charging the advertised price, and since you have the ability to return the modem as the video end sugested there is really no forced price, not the most ethical practice but not ilegal per say.

    • @XperimentorEES
      @XperimentorEES Před 5 lety

      @@mytech6779 Oh I've no doubt, but that was the first example that came to mind.

    • @XperimentorEES
      @XperimentorEES Před 5 lety +1

      @@olgierdvoneverec4135 If they can't explain it in a sentence then clearly they're trying to hide something. Or they're just inept and don't understand their own product lol.

    • @olgierdvoneverec4135
      @olgierdvoneverec4135 Před 5 lety +5

      @@XperimentorEES theyre trying to make it as confusing as posible, so you get tired and droop it, they will be super clear to the court if you take it there, even showing it flat out writen in the contract, so yea a scummy practice, all im saying is that you aint going to scare most managers claiming its fraud or false advertising, they've heard it before and somehow it isn't.

  • @lua3
    @lua3 Před 4 lety

    this is absolutely amazing! subscribed

  • @eternialogic
    @eternialogic Před 4 lety +4

    You will find that at least one of the Laws of Business is to always break as many Laws of Mathematics as possible with the customer being none the wiser.

  • @masidachisambi6430
    @masidachisambi6430 Před 5 lety +611

    For everyone trying to pause on ISP 's name don't bother. It's Charter Spectrum.

  • @emperordarthjarjarsnoke7596

    As a person who has been on the phone with customer support for two hours today and did not go anywhere this resonated a bit too deeply.

    • @IceMetalPunk
      @IceMetalPunk Před 5 lety +10

      What I've noticed is that any industry which begins with "customer" is inherently *not* in favor of the customer. Customer service doesn't care about the customer, customer support doesn't care about the customer, etc. Those industries are all about following orders to make money at any cost.

    • @MatthewStinar
      @MatthewStinar Před 5 lety +2

      I estimate I spent between six and eight hours trying to explain to Comcast that they were double billing and that I didn't owe them for two months of service after I moved and my former roommate got his own account.

  • @sneaks9150
    @sneaks9150 Před 3 lety +1

    I relate to this video. Its like every day something is reminding me of Zermelo Fraenkel Set Theory.

  • @PaulBunkey
    @PaulBunkey Před 5 měsíci +1

    I expected a video about overprovisioning... but this one also checks out.

  • @hajmola7605
    @hajmola7605 Před 5 lety +629

    0:09 charter spectrum
    If you are wondering what isp he talked to

    • @hajmola7605
      @hajmola7605 Před 5 lety +52

      0:08

    • @vlstyles
      @vlstyles Před 5 lety +59

      Thought so...I don't understand why the bundle is less than than any individual parts. I've never used the phone service in 5 years. Might as well sell me an unbreakable mirror that arrives in infinitesimally small pieces.

    • @Sazoji
      @Sazoji Před 5 lety +2

      yeh he mentioned it in the original bah fest video

    • @ex-nerd
      @ex-nerd Před 5 lety +7

      @@vlstyles it's a loss leader they hope to make up by long distance (and similar) fees or government subsidies.

    • @vlstyles
      @vlstyles Před 5 lety

      Thanks for the explanation! Now I feel all warm knowing I'm helping Spectrum turn a profit...

  • @nathan44u
    @nathan44u Před 5 lety +373

    Charter spectrum says $ 99.97 on their website with tiny text saying "when bundled"
    If you're never going to actually pay $ 99.97 for it, why is it on the website?

    • @Handinmapocket
      @Handinmapocket Před 4 lety +63

      Deceptive marketing ofcourse. Depending on your country it can actually be illegal or at least, result in a lawsuit.
      I'm glad to say i live in a country were a government organization has sued several companies for misleading/deceptive marketing and won. Companies were fined and forced to change their marketing.
      For example: now commercials can no longer say "just $39,99 for the first three months" and display only "$39,99" on screen, they are required to inform the receipient of the price after the first 3 months in a clear manner(spoken or shown).
      Before they only had to display only a long line of text at the bottom for 3 seconds, but was deemed unreasonable to read for the average receipient to read in the alloted time.

    • @unflexian
      @unflexian Před 4 lety +19

      *"Flash sale! Everything* _-up to-_ *95% off!"*

    • @ayushkumar-bg1xf
      @ayushkumar-bg1xf Před 4 lety +6

      @@Handinmapocket that's not deceptive marketing but plain cheating .

    • @Cynsham
      @Cynsham Před 4 lety +1

      nathan255 It’s called marketing, an boy is it sure scummy

    • @awildfilingcabinet6239
      @awildfilingcabinet6239 Před 4 lety +3

      Handinmapocket well, I live in the US, where deceptive marketing is the go to!

  • @SmellyNutz
    @SmellyNutz Před 4 lety +1

    Just in case you wondered, the company at 0:07 is Charter Spectrum TV | Internet | Voice

  • @ForzaJuve001
    @ForzaJuve001 Před 3 lety

    This was great.! Loving this channel.!

  • @realRickSanchez
    @realRickSanchez Před 5 lety +1631

    Basically a highly mathematical rant.

    • @rushyscoper1651
      @rushyscoper1651 Před 5 lety +30

      Lesson of the day never piss off mathematician.

    • @an1mesh
      @an1mesh Před 5 lety +7

      And you're the one to say

    • @carazy123_
      @carazy123_ Před 5 lety +3

      I suppose this level of mathematics is beneath you, Rick

    • @krisspkriss
      @krisspkriss Před 5 lety +1

      @@carazy123_ Apparently, MinutePhysics doesn't understand bulk rates, bundling, or economy of scale. He has zero understanding of economics, or is being willfully obtuse. The primary issue is they advertise one price and then throw on hidden fees. When bundling goods and services, the provider gets less profit per item, but makes more in total. For example I may offer to mow your grass and trim your hedges for $50, while charging $35 for just mowing or just trimming. Why would I do that? Because I have to bring myself and the equipment to your house. It isn't worth my time to do that for $25 but it is for $35. I still only make one trip if I do your hedges as well, and so I will do them for an extra $15. This is the dumbest video I have seen all day.

    • @supercellex4D
      @supercellex4D Před 5 lety +1

      @@krisspkriss its called a joke dammit

  • @TheJigglicious
    @TheJigglicious Před 5 lety +265

    I think that you guys are forgetting about the tenth axiom though.
    10. Axiom of Xfinity
    {Money} > {Customers}

    • @cat1554
      @cat1554 Před rokem +3

      I love that everyone in the US seems to hate Comcast.

  • @aidencraigallman1656
    @aidencraigallman1656 Před 4 lety +1

    Literally just subscribed straight off the back of this video 😂

  • @toshley6192
    @toshley6192 Před 3 lety +9

    This has happened to literally everyone I know.
    I've managed to get them to honor their original quotes, but you have to ask the first person you talk to, to confirm that the price they give you is the same number that will show up on your bill, and to confirm that there is no possibility that the quote might change.
    Then when you get your first bill that is $10 more per month than you agreed to, you can call them up, and keep asking for the next manager to get a few rungs up the chain of command.
    Then you can tell the manager that the original salesperson outright lied to your face to get you to sign a contract. The manager then listens to the recording of that call, realizes that yeah, they're in breach of contract, and will honor the original amount. (verbal contracts are valid in Canada at least if you can prove there was an agreement). If they don't want to honor it, ask them to provide the contact information for their Ombudsman/Oversight Commision so you can escalate this further. It never fails to scare the crap out of them.
    I've helped a few friends and family members get their original quotes doing this. But you have to do it while signing up for a new service, since it requires getting their salesperson to say "yes I can confirm that is the amount that will appear on your bill".
    It's pretty disgusting that it's necessary, but that's ISPs for you. They'll give you the original deal if you make a big enough stink, but it usually takes several phone calls and 5+ hours on hold, so most people just say screw it and pay the higher amount.

  • @seraphin01
    @seraphin01 Před 4 lety

    I love this channel but I must admit this episode was brilliant, thanks for the laugh!

  • @X4Alpha4X
    @X4Alpha4X Před 5 lety +579

    the part that isn't true is that he sent the router back and kept the $40 internet.

    • @ethanpoole3443
      @ethanpoole3443 Před 5 lety +33

      I’ll bite, why not? Considering I’ve done basically the same thing over the years with remotes for cable boxes (you actually pay a few dollars each month to rent each remote, but if you return the remote only you can have the amount of each remote rental deducted from the cable box monthly fee since you have now split that package back out). It’s absurd that as customers we have to play these games, but we can play games too.

    • @jfbeam
      @jfbeam Před 5 lety +14

      @@ethanpoole3443 because the "$40 internet" is, in fact, $50. Thus, the quoted "$45" plan, would actually be $55. (or more.)

    • @CrystalPines
      @CrystalPines Před 5 lety +2

      I work for said company and you could technically receive the router but not use it and use your own

    • @gmfreeman4211
      @gmfreeman4211 Před 5 lety +14

      @@CrystalPines Yeah, and keep paying for the "ISP" router. You have to send it back or they keep charging you.

    • @CrystalPines
      @CrystalPines Před 5 lety +6

      @@gmfreeman4211 depends where you live in my area you only pay a fee for the modem the router is free

  • @siveroo7493
    @siveroo7493 Před 5 lety +1844

    *WHO WILL WIN??*
    *ISP Customer Care who just doing his job*
    *VS*
    *200 IQ AXIOM BOI*

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 Před 5 lety +70

      Unfortunately, the job of ISP Customer Care doesn't include caring for the customer, nor is it to actually understand anything about what they're selling.

    • @neiana
      @neiana Před 5 lety +11

      @@angeldude101 but it is still his/her job to do what he/she is doing. They just have a name that is incorrect from the eyes of the consumer, though from the business point of view "take care that the customer does not cancel our service". :)

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce Před 5 lety

      That is it, you need to know the key words.

    • @Megasterik
      @Megasterik Před 5 lety +1

      It was actually manager but ok.

    • @Wilker_uwu
      @Wilker_uwu Před 5 lety +4

      @@neiana there are certain companies here in Brazil that doesn't even know how to do proportions properly, where the proportion of the price of bandwidth speed 1:price is different from speed 2:price which is different from speed 3:price, and they also randomly cut your speed down in half at times (_cough_ ... "Alive" Telecommunications-) claiming that there is too much of a demand somewhere else, but the internet you pay for is of 2 to 4 Megabits, and they already have the capacity to distribute 10 MegaBytes to each phone in the city to tens of millions of phones at the same time, and you have to reset your modem to temporarily get your internet back which is the eight hundredth of the speed of the mobile data speed you can get.
      (out of topic: usage of singular "they" pronouns is valid. reading he/she|his/her sounds awkward)

  • @rjshaver1
    @rjshaver1 Před 4 lety +1

    I have feeling the same problem for some time with the same ISP. It is just like the concept of being able to choose which TV channels/networks you want and only pay for those which follows that they have the Axiom of 'Bundling' down pat.

  • @hyperparadox1
    @hyperparadox1 Před 3 lety +1

    0:24 "which reminds me of the first of the axioms, or laws of the Zermelo-Fraenkel Set Theory"
    ...you know, as you would while talking on the phone

  • @Mikemar16
    @Mikemar16 Před 5 lety +431

    The fact that the biggest ISP here in México is called Infinitum makes this story slightly funnier.

    • @LuisEnriquecrack
      @LuisEnriquecrack Před 5 lety +19

      His internet is infinitely slow

    • @naiknaik8812
      @naiknaik8812 Před 5 lety +10

      @Mai Mariarti you can swear

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError Před 5 lety

      @Mai Mariarti uhm... what? *swear in singlish, with Lee Kuan Yew turning over in his grave*

    • @Welvis55
      @Welvis55 Před 5 lety

      infinitum is so cancer. good thing we have izzi now in north mexico

    • @eljaibas16
      @eljaibas16 Před 5 lety

      @@Welvis55 not only on north

  • @daveykarsseboom2630
    @daveykarsseboom2630 Před 5 lety +372

    "Why would they change math? Math is math!" - Mr. Incredible

    • @micahphilson
      @micahphilson Před 5 lety +9

      Seriously underrated quote!

    • @thstroyur
      @thstroyur Před 5 lety +2

      Incredibles 2?

    • @aformofmatter8913
      @aformofmatter8913 Před 5 lety

      @@thstroyur No, Incredibles 3.

    • @Lynx21k
      @Lynx21k Před 5 lety

      @A form of matter u mean incredibles 4

    • @thstroyur
      @thstroyur Před 5 lety

      @@aformofmatter8913 Ow really? I thought it was Incredibles 7*pi+9*i

  • @jake4d40
    @jake4d40 Před rokem

    Omg this is Awesome! Best intro to ZFC Ever.

  • @Heavytrichome
    @Heavytrichome Před 4 lety

    Well put my friend, well put...

  • @daveo1346
    @daveo1346 Před 5 lety +9

    I’m a netadmin for a smaller ISP and this video is pretty on point. There’s the shifty sales department setting arbitrary prices and promising rates that can’t be delivered and there’s a couple of network engineers working day and night to try and provide the best service possible and keep up with sales promises.

    • @truthsRsung
      @truthsRsung Před 5 lety

      Go ahead and explain away the "rates that cant be delivered," part of that comment.
      Sales people make deals with customers.
      Some make you money, others are bad financial decisions.
      That is life....win some, lose some.
      These are your employees making the decisions, not the customers or the government.
      You can demote them, fire them, or promote them out of sales.
      Your choice.

    • @deepspacecow2644
      @deepspacecow2644 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@truthsRsungHe is another employee just like them. Its not his decision. He just runs the physical side, the sales run pricing and plans.

    • @truthsRsung
      @truthsRsung Před 5 měsíci

      @@deepspacecow2644 ...Only a Corporation could make a justification for Separation of those two Ideas.
      The only ones who benefit from departments not knowing what the others are doing are the Board and Shareholders.
      Not the employees who wouldn't do their jobs if the knew they were fabricating disinformation.
      I'd be updating my Resumé.

  • @RussellSubedi
    @RussellSubedi Před 5 lety +59

    You can't say they have infinite absence of customer service. But you can say they have zero presence of customer service.

  • @vog51
    @vog51 Před 3 lety

    You sir are one of an unusual breed that totally nerds out with math level 100. I totally understand and don't understand at the same time. Good on you!

  • @kirilldanshin
    @kirilldanshin Před rokem +2

    welcome back, recommendation squad

  • @hanneskuehne8615
    @hanneskuehne8615 Před 5 lety +47

    This is just brilliant. You know, what might be hard to understand to some students is just described and explained in such a well fitting way, well, basically it‘s one of the best educational videos i‘ve ever seen.

    • @Dyanosis
      @Dyanosis Před rokem +2

      You sentence structure was looking good until you made the classic mistake of misusing commas. "well fitting way. Well, basically, it's" is the proper form.

  • @ericz6057
    @ericz6057 Před 4 lety +213

    ISP provider: what we offered is what we could offered...
    Minutephysics: hold on, that's a paradox

  • @candycadet528
    @candycadet528 Před rokem

    I think "I can't tell you, you can't do that" especially in a defeated voice, is the best victory you can ever hope to achieve.

  • @wamsang7818
    @wamsang7818 Před 4 lety +2

    4:51
    "Crap! He got us!!"
    I see what you did there

  • @HaitaniMasayuki
    @HaitaniMasayuki Před 5 lety +280

    Ever been so salty about your ISP that you made an advanced mathematics video on CZcams about it?

    • @nerfzinet
      @nerfzinet Před 5 lety +23

      It's not advanced mathematics, it's the most basic mathematics.

    • @Vekcrazah
      @Vekcrazah Před 5 lety +19

      @@nerfzinet it certainly is not easier to understand than 1 + 1, so i say it's not basic.
      but i agree that it is the "basis" of mathematics

    • @nerfzinet
      @nerfzinet Před 5 lety +2

      ​@@Vekcrazah That's fair, though it's interesting to consider whether it would be viable to teach this kind of stuff earlier. Maybe it would help cement the basic concepts more, but then again it'd probably just go over everyone's heads like most math.

    • @rayflyers
      @rayflyers Před 5 lety +1

      I haven't, but that's just because I'm not smart enough. I could curse and flail my arms around though. Would that help?

    • @boneyeast1019
      @boneyeast1019 Před 5 lety +1

      Ever be so salty about your isp you shot their employees

  • @IceMetalPunk
    @IceMetalPunk Před 5 lety +66

    Any company that says "you can't have A for $x unless you also take B for $y, but you can take A + B for $(x + y) and then return B for an $x refund" deserves to have their CEO fired. Ridiculous.
    I used to work in retail (worst time of my life, in terms of job), and the company culture was basically, "You do what we tell you to do, even if it makes no sense, and if you ever dare to question anything or try to suggest improvements, you'll be out of a job." It was awful, and my boss at the time told me, "That's just how running a company works." It made me miserable. Fast-forward, and I now work in software development at a global financial technology firm; let me tell you, that is *not* "just how running a company works". My current manager has told us several times to call him out on any BS if he's wrong, so we can work to find a better solution. About a month after I was hired, we even had our company's Chief Information Officer fly out to our little office for a meeting, to which we newbies were invited with everyone else, and he asked everyone if there was *anything* we needed, anything that could be improved, anything he could help us with. He took notes and vowed to immediately look into any issues raised, even from us newbies. Rank didn't matter: if you have a good idea, then it will be discussed and considered.
    What I'm trying to say is, "I love my new job, hated my old job, and *leaders of companies need to focus on making sense more than being in power* more often".

    • @ShadowDrakken
      @ShadowDrakken Před 5 lety +12

      @palmomki I think the problem arises when the bundle as a whole costs less than the individual services. Not just when you're getting a discount for a bundle. If Service A costs $40 by itself, and Service B costs $20 by itself, the bundle of Service A + Service B costing $35 is a little underhanded don't you think?

    • @spartacus17.
      @spartacus17. Před 5 lety

      I see you everywhereeee

    • @truthsRsung
      @truthsRsung Před 5 lety

      Nope......its bonus time.

  • @gasterorigin6158
    @gasterorigin6158 Před 3 lety

    You broke my mind there
    GOOD JOB

  • @eddeh0772
    @eddeh0772 Před 4 lety

    I had to come back to this video later, because my Spectrum internet dropped momentarily at almost EXACTLY the moment you dropped that flash frame about your ISP!

  • @danieldavid3766
    @danieldavid3766 Před 5 lety +105

    4:51
    "Crap! He got us!!"

  • @mathematicalmatt
    @mathematicalmatt Před 5 lety +115

    As someone who has done their time in a customer support call center, and someone who loves ZF set theory, this physically hurts me. The bureaucracy never ends! And while most service employees are good, honest people; bad service emerges from the aggregate. :(

    • @IceMetalPunk
      @IceMetalPunk Před 5 lety +30

      Customer service / retail is all about bad ideas trickling down from the top, because you're discouraged from asking questions or suggesting improvements when a policy is flawed. When I worked in retail, that was the worst part. I once had a manager lie to me about something she said I did to make it seem like I'd made a bigger mistake than I had, and when I explained to her (a) what I'd actually done and (b) the evidence for how I know I didn't do what she accused me of, she threatened to demote me for talking back to her. Another time, I'd made a slight mistake, and when I came up with a solution, my supervisor told me I couldn't implement it; that same manager then called me into her office to blame me for the store having to give away a $15 gift card because of my mistake. Like... I had immediately come up with a solution that would have cost the store *and* the customer nothing, it would have resolved the issue without a problem, and I was told I wasn't allowed to do it -- and then I was blamed for the issue not being resolved. WTF?
      I will always rant about that job. Retail / customer service is an awful culture.
      *EDIT* I just realized that in my rant, I never even mentioned the relevant scenario xD We had a policy that I was meant to follow towards our customers. Many customers didn't like it, and many didn't even realize it was company policy (they thought we just did it on our own). I'd had several customers complain to me about it, so I stopped following it. One guy even gave me a huge tip specifically because I *didn't* do the thing, and he appreciated it. My store manager noticed I wasn't following policy and told me I need to start doing it. So I said, "I think there may be a problem with the policy, though, and--" I was interrupted by him saying, "No, there's no problem with it. It's fine. Follow it." Needless to say, I continued not following it, until eventually my department manager called me over. "I'm pretty sure [store manager] told you to follow this policy. Why are you still not?" Me: "Because it's not a good policy, and I have--" Her: "It's policy. We tell everyone to do it, not just you; follow directions. If I need to talk to you about this again, there will be disciplinary action." (Side note: the fact that she thought I wasn't following it because I thought I was being singled out, like a rebellious child, rather than actually having good reasons for not following it... reasons she would never even let me express... was so frustrating and insulting.)
      TL;DR of that last story: a policy that was touted as being great customer service, but which the customers actually hated and were willing to pay more to avoid, was forced on me without even letting me explain *why* I knew it was a problem, or even offer suggestions for improvement (I had a solution in mind, not that I ever got that far with them). Like... when your customers complain about something and you ignore them and say, "We're great at customer service!" -- you're just a company full of arrogant assholes who care more about their own ideas than actually being decent. Sure, you make lots of money, but you're not perfect and there's always room for improvement if you're willing to listen.

    • @IceMetalPunk
      @IceMetalPunk Před 5 lety +8

      @@MM-kv8uu "Sadly, M M was shortly unemployed after posting this comment." :P

    • @michaelmagnimedia3331
      @michaelmagnimedia3331 Před 5 lety

      @@IceMetalPunk lol

    • @richardgates7479
      @richardgates7479 Před 5 lety

      @Matthew Hoiland
      And you don't find it a little ironic that customers complain about poor customer service for a service they think they pay too much for? Or did you make your fortune in customer service?

    • @ianh1504
      @ianh1504 Před 5 lety +1

      I don't buy that the people doing the evil person's dirty work are good.

  • @maxdon2001
    @maxdon2001 Před 4 měsíci

    Great video!

  • @max_ishere
    @max_ishere Před 5 měsíci

    I would love to get a call like that. It would cheer me up for the rest of the day.

  • @minecrftavenger0
    @minecrftavenger0 Před 5 lety +12

    It's so funny because this is so true, I worked in a call center for spectrum and it is really their fault on not being transparent on pricing, like not telling you the $5 charge per router you add, or that they have a surcharge in certain areas. Also tax, that kills your good price because it usually will add from $8-$17 a month depending on your local tax rates

  • @Aleck527
    @Aleck527 Před 5 lety +152

    Dear Customer, you have been selected to have the data cap on your internet service removed. You now have unlimited data at *half the speed* !
    > But I selected this option after estimating the amount of data I use in a month.
    Congratulations on your *FREE UPGRADE*

    • @zusurs
      @zusurs Před 5 lety +20

      Aleck527 Lol?? On what third world shithole on the planet there are still data caps on landline internet? Most people don’t even have data limits on their 4G/LTE connections, let alone a fixed landline. I’m living in a poor European country and even here there are no data caps of any kind since the 2005.

    • @FateBringsMe2U
      @FateBringsMe2U Před 5 lety +51

      @@zusurs the united states is very, very backwards when it comes to internet service.

    • @05Matz
      @05Matz Před 5 lety +12

      @@FateBringsMe2U Canada too, our internet service is comparably backwards since we typically share all our infrastructure/etc. suppliers with the USA (hence people looking at you funny and charging you much higher prices if you try to buy metric hardware in our supposedly metric country).

    • @IkBenBenG
      @IkBenBenG Před 5 lety +18

      Download everything you can find. Try to gather terabytes of data every week. They'll probably switch you back to the original plan soon enough.

    • @0LoneTech
      @0LoneTech Před 5 lety +9

      Do the math... I expect not only will the "unlimited" limit of half speed times a month be lower than the old cap, they'll rarely reach that half speed, and they'll throttle it to even less should you reach another cap they pretend isn't set by them.

  • @LordRenegrade
    @LordRenegrade Před 3 lety +2

    "The internet company that shall not be named" - Voldemort Internet Service?

  • @asdfghyter
    @asdfghyter Před 5 měsíci

    Re: Axiom of Choice, we actually have free choice of service providers for the fiber that is already installed in many places here in Sweden. It's a setup kind of similar to how it usually works with electricity: there is a fiber connection setup by a common organisation for the area, but actually connecting that fiber to the internet is up to an ISP, which you can choose freely from many options which can be different from your neighbours' ISP without any extra charge or anything. The ISP then pays a fee to the organisation that handles the fiber cables themselves, but handles all the routers and other infrastructure themselves.
    The free competition does indeed improve prices. For example, the cheapest ISP where I live provides something like Spectrum's $70 plan (500/20) but with higher upload speed (500/100) for $35 and I am currently paying $14 for 100/10.

  • @gangulic
    @gangulic Před 5 lety +218

    router 5$/month? you can buy it for 15$ :D

    • @tehKap0w
      @tehKap0w Před 5 lety +52

      The ISPs don't even pay _that_

    • @IceMetalPunk
      @IceMetalPunk Před 5 lety +32

      Sometimes ISPs force you to use the ones they have. For instance, my ISP provides a modem/router combo. If you want the service, you have to use their modem, which means you have to rent it from them. Don't pay to rent the modem? Then you don't get service.

    • @Tfin
      @Tfin Před 5 lety +8

      My ISP is my cable provider, because I have exactly the same number of choices for each (less than 2), provided I want internet service at all. The combo router/modem is needed, but they do offer the option of buying a 3rd party device rather than renting theirs. Just be sure it meets the minimum specs. Found one for $100, but that saved money after less than a year.

    • @physicsinanutshell3778
      @physicsinanutshell3778 Před 5 lety +5

      Internet @ $40, I get it for $1.64 (28 days, 42gb)

    • @TimLF
      @TimLF Před 5 lety +1

      $200 for a good one

  • @FutureNow
    @FutureNow Před 5 lety +53

    Way too relatable. Been trying to get Xfinity to allow me to pay for JUST internet and not cable, but for some reason internet service alone is more expensive than internet + cable.

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Před 5 lety +7

      Switch to DSL for a while and then ask them if they offer just internet.
      You will find that the terms and conditions to get you into their system are much different than the ones once you are in.
      Once in the system don't accept any upgrade options.
      When their price goes above the "new customers only" offering of the DSL company, it is time to repeat the cycle.

    • @raysills
      @raysills Před 5 lety +1

      Yup. I have FiOS... and it's cheaper with land-line phone service along with TV and 'net.
      Lose the phone service and the rates go up. So, I just don't use the landline. However, it's not a total waste: sometimes I need to provide a phone number to someone whom I do not want calling... they get the landline number. The single exception is a neighbor who (for whatever reason) feels the need to call the landline. But, since it's a very nice neighbor, I don't mind. I guess it's possible they don't have a cell phone... but they could still simply call mine with their landline.

    • @johnschwalb
      @johnschwalb Před 5 lety

      with charter internet alone was one penny more than internet+cable+phone we never even hocked up the phone.

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Před 5 lety +1

      @SumKoon
      Cable TV (before ISPs) went down this same sort of path. As the ISPs and cable TV came together it has become worse and worse.
      It is now to the point where people get "basic cable" and have also put back the TV antenna. The quality of the over-the-air digital TV is so much better than the compressed stuff on cable that they watch the over-the-air.

    • @daphnie816
      @daphnie816 Před 5 lety +3

      I called in once, "I can't afford this. If you can't give me a better price, I'm going to CenturyLink". Got $20 off my bill instantly.

  • @tyr4455
    @tyr4455 Před rokem +1

    I appreciate Math as I work in IT but besides some scripting and java programming equations for stuff I don't dive too deep into it, not into theory or laws of mathematics etc, however you managed to make this very entertaining, and used it with something we can all related to which is ISPs being shitty. Well done sir, very entertaining.

  • @xingyanglan6836
    @xingyanglan6836 Před rokem

    Thats a good one, video on set cant contain itself and then at the end the search for the set of things wrong in the video

  • @sea0fgreen33
    @sea0fgreen33 Před 5 lety +34

    I purchase a 25gb plan from my isp and they tell me I've reached 100% of my data allocation at about 23.5gb every month. They do love their interesting math.

    • @leogama3422
      @leogama3422 Před rokem +24

      25 GB could mean 25 GigaBytes, counted in powers of ten (10⁹ = 1,000,000,000 bytes), which is probably what your ISP is selling you; or it could mean 25 "GibiBytes" (GiB), counted in powers of two (2³⁰ = 1,073,741,824 bytes), which is likely what's being reported to you. 25 GB ≈ 23.3 GiB, but software often uses the "GB" abbreviation for both units

  • @johnsmith-eo3nz
    @johnsmith-eo3nz Před 5 lety +18

    4:50
    If you were wondering, the speech bubble says "Crap! He got us!!"

    • @Anvilshock
      @Anvilshock Před 5 lety

      No, we weren't.

    • @ginglyst
      @ginglyst Před 5 lety

      you are a life saver! I couldn't find the frame by frame shortcut

    • @berylliosis5250
      @berylliosis5250 Před 5 lety

      @@ginglyst , and . while paused

    • @Anvilshock
      @Anvilshock Před 5 lety

      @@ginglyst What, you couldn't find Google to search for the shortcut?

  • @photondestroyer7475
    @photondestroyer7475 Před 3 lety +1

    That really roasted my brain well

  • @ameyadeokule
    @ameyadeokule Před 4 lety

    Spectrum you have done it again!!

  • @EagleScoutmano
    @EagleScoutmano Před 5 lety +96

    Charter Spectrum. Sheesh, make it hard to catch the single frame picture, why don't you.

    • @magic_cfw
      @magic_cfw Před 5 lety +1

      It was on the title card?

    • @RanOutOfSpac
      @RanOutOfSpac Před 5 lety +2

      -CFW. Magic- To be fair, so is a few other ISPs lol.

    • @magic_cfw
      @magic_cfw Před 5 lety

      @@RanOutOfSpac fair

    • @fghsgh
      @fghsgh Před 4 lety +4

      Sorry for responding this late, but the computer you can press , and . to go one frame back/forward.

    • @someonerandom6505
      @someonerandom6505 Před 4 lety +3

      also it's 2 frames.
      I have no idea why I felt like mentioning that.

  • @gurpratap
    @gurpratap Před 5 lety +923

    I wish I understood math.

    • @thehorseformerlywithoutana2522
      @thehorseformerlywithoutana2522 Před 5 lety +31

      Well you don't even need to understand math to see how he's getting screwed here. Just logic. His new bill is more expensive even though he's getting the exact same service.

    • @TooHarshForYou
      @TooHarshForYou Před 5 lety +1

      Same dude same.

    • @mikesnapper9001
      @mikesnapper9001 Před 5 lety +13

      I have one word for you: I wish that as well.

    • @blackaspitch631
      @blackaspitch631 Před 5 lety +6

      Math is easier to understand than ISPs

    • @udik3946
      @udik3946 Před 5 lety +1

      Maths is fun ..... Because it related to universe or we can say everything is maths ...... The dimensions we are now is a maths ...... 😃😃😃

  • @manavpandey1175
    @manavpandey1175 Před 4 lety

    Charter Spectrum TV ,Internet, Voice.
    Well done.

  • @cvoges12
    @cvoges12 Před rokem +1

    I'm glad that minutephysics knows about ZFC set theory.