10 Most Incompetent Imperial Officers (Galactic Empire)
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Did the rebellion win because of their skill and bravery or was it just the empire's lack of competence, especially in its officer corp?
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Meh
excellent video man as always - and I have these sorts of days too. Hang in there and keep up the good work. :-)
What kind of chopper was that? It was loud asf
Ha ha ha h- no, no I will not.
Just an FYI incase you didn't notice (may have been intentional idk): I know she looks a lot like Governor Pryce, and the pic comes up when you google image search for pryce, but you have a pic of an indiana jones villain in your thumbnail.
The funny thing is Thrawn would have destroyed the rebellion several times if his stupid colleagues didn’t ruin his plans.
*Cough cough* Governor Pryce and the fuel depot.
@@tox1cboi_524 a Jedi for a fuel depot was the worst trade ever. Especially one as weak as Kanan, if it was someone like Starkiller, Yoda, or Obi Won then I see a possible point
Facts tho like at the battle of chopper base or “Atollon”
Edit: sorry got the planet name wrong the first time, I corrected it.
I’m still angry you convinced me to purchase the Molotok.
@@georgesoros14yearoldwife37 the Molotok is an amazing plane, why are you mad you bought it
Anyone else notice that one of the "officers" in the picture is the main villian in Indiana Jones and the crystal skull lol.
Governor Arihnda Pryce was designed after Colonel Irina Spalko although it hasn’t been confirmed by Lucasfim but we can see that obviously they did.
Yes I saw it too
4 of them are from the Rebels show. How fun
Its supposed to be Governor Price.
@@travishillsthedarkangelbun504 I figured still it's funny they use that and not the rebels one
puting Piett on the list is kind of unfair as he has proven himself to be more than capable of commanding larger vessels. As far as i know he didnt position the Executor over the death star, rather it was a direct order von Palpatine. So Piett had noch choice but to let his fleet stay passive the entire battle, so that palpatine could slowly destroy the rebel fleet with his new toy.
he was also thrown into captaincy as a result of ozzle's incompetence
@@arc7gaming he was already a captain. When Vader killed Ozzel he was made an Admiral and instantly given command of the Imperial Flagship... no pressure.
@@smnbee75 not to mention captian nedo who take over after ozzel got killed in the same day
@@emuempire1317 Captain Neda was the CO of the SSD Avenger, one of Vader's fleet who spotted the Millennium Falcon as it tried to make a run for it. Han Solo knew a smugglers trick knowing there's a buffer zone between a SSD's Hull and Minimum Sensor Range, so he did a flyby and quickly landed on the ship. Neda thought that the Falcon had jumped into Hyperspace. Not really his fault as he probably wasn't aware of the technical details of his own ship. But still he paid for it, even though he took responsibility for losing them. Which is the trait of a decent CO in my opinion.
I can see your German auto-correct is fighting you a little my friend
Their incompetence explains a lot why the Rebels usually get away with everything they do in their fight against the Empire.
It is the sole reason the rebels survived Thrawn.
No there was also plot armour
Incopetance plus a lack of an actual plan to deal with Hit and Run warfare.
Almost no point defense weapons on an ISD is easily a worse decision than picking an Incopetant commander.
@@tailssonicteam1604 possibly also though was the choice of incompetent commanders not to equip the ISDs with sufficient point defense weapons, so it could be a crossover there hehe
Thats true of alot of real world battles too. its relatively rare that equally matched commanders square off. usually someone is incompetent and the other one is taking advantage of it.
Nitpick on Piett's supposedly foolish action: he had moved the Executor, and the entire fleet, closer to the second Death Star because the Rebel cruisers were firing on the defenseless battlestation and tearing it apart (see the novelization). The only order Piett could have given was to put his fleet between the Rebels and the Death Star to force them to defend themselves against his fleet, even if that meant putting the Executor where the entire Rebel fleet could fire on his ship (as they promptly did, taking down the bridge shields and allowing the A-Wing to ram the bridge).
Ackbar, being the superior commander, had put him in a situation where he could only choose between two bad things, either letting the Rebels fire on the incomplete and unshielded Death Star, meaning they'd destroy it anyway in short order, or using his ships as shields, putting said ships in extreme danger but giving him a chance to save the station.
I love the novelization. It really gives a bigger sense of scale. Pretty much THOUSANDS of ships and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of fighters on both sides slugging it out in a last desperate battle to determine who was going to rule/lead from then on. GR-75s being loaded up with explosives and sent on auto-collision courses with Star Destroyers. The Rebels were really throwing EVERYTHING they had to destroy Palpatine once and for all, while the Imperials were rushing all available resources to defend their sovereign.
Actually a flanking maneuver against the rebel fleet would have forced their attention away from the death Star without putting the executor in danger falling onto the death star
@@Kitt_the_Katt They had been ALREADY caught in a pincher movement.
@@Kitt_the_Katt Guess we have a Keyboard Admiral in the house
@@Kitt_the_Katt Technically, from a purely strategic standpoint on this isolated moment of the battle, yes this is true; however, given the priorities of both the Rebels and the Imperials, a flanking maneuver would not have made sense. The Rebels were targeting the Death Star - that was their only goal in this assault. Given the choice between firing on the Death Star and firing on the Executor, the Rebel fleet (down to a pilot, I would be inclined to argue) would have fired on the Death Star. By staying close to the Death Star, Piett was denying the Rebels of this choice, forcing them to fire first on the Executor. Flanking the Rebel fleet (the smaller, faster, more maneuverable fleet) gives them the choice to fire upon the Death Star. As for the Imperial position, the Executor was the flagship of the entire Imperial Navy, meaning that (aside from the Death Star of course) it should have been protected at all costs. A flanking maneuver might have allowed the flagship to outlast the Death Star, but it also would have left it isolated from the rest of the Imperial fleet, and would have been easily destroyed by the remnants of the Rebel fleet. Additionally, a flagship as cumbersome and massive as the Executor would have been very difficult to maneuver quickly enough to pull off a successful flanking maneuver. Piett chose to sacrifice the Executor to give the Death Star its best chance at survival.
There are two ways to survive working directly under Vader.
1) Show no fear. Just respect. Occasionally offer an objective point of veiw to him when discussing a mission or task. He'll respect you, may even see you as potential command material.
2) Whatever role you have within the Empire, do your best work with it. If you specialise in Boarding Operations then plan, strategise and strike. Research, use the best men and lead by example.
So basically be general veers? XD
@@danzansandeev6033 Yes. Or that Leuitenant who says "She'll die before she tells you anything ." to Vader at the beginning of ANH. Vader respected him also because he didn't fear Vader and would offer an objective point of veiw to missions.
@@smnbee75 I would still prefer to work under thrawn command than Vader. All you need to do is follow his orders to the letter
@@danzansandeev6033 Thrawn was a competent leader and a brilliant tactician. His competency insured loyalty from his men, so I agree.
Vader led from the front, amd as he had the ability to cut down so many Rebels in a short space of time, the morale of his men must be high. Unless you were Ozzel of course.
@@smnbee75 I would doubt about morale of officers. Considering how many were choked to death over small mistakes or just cause Vader liked it. As for the morale of soldiers that would be high I would say that was one of the character traits that was left in Vader after anakin, leading his men in the front
Remember, most of the high ranking officers (Tarkin, Yuhlaren etc), were on the 1st death star when it blew up, the empire lost a good chuck of there best officers. This is shown in ESB when the one guy enters hyperspeed to fast and the rebels detect him. Small mistakes
Man losing Yularen was a damn shame, not only was he a Clone Wars veteran but he served with Anakin Skywalker, who often won through unorthodox strategy, which he would have learned from. This type of experiance would have been so useful to counter the Rebels unconventional tactics.
I think if Yularen didn't die on the Death Star the Rebel Alliance would have had a harder time.
Also, General Tagge was a big loss (as he correctly chose not to underestimate the Rebel Alliance), as was General Bast (who deduced that the Rebel attack at Yavin was putting the Death Star in danger), and General Romodi (who was a very competent and accomplished general). All three would’ve given the Rebellion serious problems. The deaths of Tarkin and Admiral Motti were blessings in disguise for the Empire.
@@Engine33Truck Didn’t Tagge prove to be a bit more incompetent in the Vader comic series, thus leading to his death by Vader?
Admiral ozzel
Grand Admiral Thrawn the only competent Imperial: "I am surrounded by idiots."
Nah Veers was competent. As was General Tagge.
Don’t forget Eli Vanto.
what about daala and isard
@@MarinersFalloutfan what about daala and isard
@@thereturnofdarthcaedus They were both pretty darn good.
Piett was a good admiral. He was no thrawn but piett is exactly the kind of officer that would keep thrawns plans successful rather than be the reason they failed
Right? If Piett replaced Konstantine as commander of that Interdictor, Atollon would've been a total Imperial victory. Lothal would've remained in Imperial hands until the end of the war.
Ezra, “This is Commander Brom Titus!”
Commander Titus, “Is this some kind of a joke?”
Ezra, “Uhhhh….Yes.”
Brom really should have been in this video.
@@ebenmoore9770 He definitely had the most embarrassing defeats
@@isaackim7675 along with always being demoted
@@LTMaverick27894 Definitely true
I want an alternate version of that episode where they don't find Ezra, Sabine, and Chopper on the dish and Titus just rips into the station's commanding officer.
I’m onboard with all of these except maybe one. The issue of the Executor being too close to the Death Star might very well have been Palpy’s blunder rather than Piett’s
It was in fact Palpatine's fault as he order them to do what they did. He was supremely overconfident in his battle station. Even if Piett believed that to be a bad idea one does not question the emperor and hope to continue living.
Fun Fact, the 1st guy that vader chokes in ESB comes from a family of navy officers, his parents paid money to send him off to the best Navy acadamies. In legends he was proven imcompent since the clone wars
So, he wasn't incompetent in canon. Just unlucky?
@@user-nm1lx8qb3u no, still incompetant, just prestigious
Ozzel fell into the category of 'Glory Hound'. Every bad decision he made (during his time in the Republic and Imperial) was down to him wanting to score a huge, glorious victory for himself to make him look good to his superiors. But he was an idiot.
His agenda at Hoth (coming out of Hyperspace close to the planet) was to put the fear into the Rebels (or smugglers as he insisted it was when the probe reported back) his refusal to acknowledge that it was a rebel base and not a smugglers hide out put it in his mind that they wouldn't have a shield, which they did and could raise it in seconds. That's why Vader killed him. He fucked up in pursuit of his own glory and not trusting Vader's instinct.
Piete was not incompertant he was unlucky..
he was killed by a broken thread when they where filiming flybys for the battle. An A wing packed with Blackpowder gide string snapped and the heavy model fell spinning out of controll into the Stardestroyer model and exsploded, wrecking the high detail model. so they wrote it in.
(*Piett) was incredibly unlucky that day. That just seemed like a simple event of unlikely circumstances.
😂😂😂😂
And those things do tend to happen in the chaos of battle…
That is not true. Kenneth Colley The actor who played Piett appeared in a significant number cinema and TV productions and is still alive today.
@@MrAranton I think he meant the Miniature model
I would disagree with Piett being on this list. Yes, he did technically move the fleet to engage the Rebel fleet, however I would point out he was under strict orders to prevent the Rebel fleet from escaping by the emperor using any and all means. Even looking back to some novelizations and even The Empire Strikes Back, Piett was far more competent than Kendel Ozell and other officers. Vader actually personally singled Piett out to join Death Squadron. And even after the failure of Bespin Piett was basically left still among the living whereas other officers for slightly lesser failures were outright killed even if it wasn't their fault. The novel surrounding the failure of Bespin when the Falcon escaped also made it clear Piett was fully expecting to be killed for his failure, but the fact he wasn't he figured that Vader's mind was elsewhere at that moment and if he were to interrupt those thoughts, he would certainly be dead. He even made it a point to approach Vader with respect and never with fear or in Ozell's case ignorance and smug. Piett had seen what that lead to and knew Vader was a force to be reckoned with, but like Piett himself Vader hated the general incompetence and corruption that was pervasive throughout the empire and many officers. Sharing this and the fact he was loyal to Vader and to Palpatine also made it clear he was still a reasonably competent admiral of Death Squadron and Vader knew this and had left Piett alive after Bespin.
Of course Piett didn't count on an astromech droid to repair the Falcons hyperdrive.
Piett didn't order his fleet to attack the rebels the rebels were moving towards the Imperial fleet so the laser of the death star wouldn't destroy the entire rebel fleet. It was Lando's idea ackbar was against it. Ackbar even made the point that the rebel fleet wouldn't survive close combat with the Imperial fleet. Lando responed that the fleet would survive longer than against the death Star and that if the fleet would go down they could take a few Star destroyers with them.
Lando: Yes I said closer, Move in as close as you can, and engage those Star Destroyers at point blank range
Akbar: At that close range we won't last long against those Star Destroyers
Lando: We'll last longer than we will against that Death Star, And we might just take a few of them with us.
Not to mention,
Piett was a handful of officers who earned Vaders genuine respect! Not something easily done.
Given how fast the competency of Officers dropped off a cliff after the Clone Wars ended and the Empire rose it is easy to blame the Empire for these terrible officers however it is likely many of them were already serving the Republic durring the Clone Wars and were simply kept in check by "good" influences like the Clones and Jedi.
However after the drastic shift of Order 66 and the near rapid replacement of the Clones drastically changed the "work culture" of the military. Clones would look out for each other as they saw themselves as brothers and the Jedi were taught to be paragons of good. While the Empire was made up of normal people who had no such connections and their training even reinforced the idea that they can only count on themselves.
This way of thinking pretty much infected the entire millitary to the point where many officers only have had the success they do through social manipulation and deception, without needing to be actually capable at their jobs, they just needed a higher up to THINK they were good Officers and get promotions through that. After thinking about it the thing that really crippled the Empire was a combination of Tarkins Doctrine and what the "culture" inside the Empire was like leading to incompetent Officers being everywhere.
Which come to think of it the infighting was what eventually killed the Sith, funny how history repeats and yet Palpatine couldn't see it comming.
Because Palpatine was so self absorbed in his quest for apotheosis that everything else was a distant second for him.
The worst fear of the Sith wasn't the Jedi. It was their own winding mortality and the loss of their identity to the Force.
Also, the low level peace time stress for twenty or so years allowed amny standards to be relaxed and gave rise to the suck up mentality and promotions given by connections rather than by ability. In the last days of the Republic, a lot of the incompetent officers were removed by getting themselves killed in battle.
Damn, Palpatine broke the rule of 2 too, and he reaped what he sow.
Major Staz is a good person atleast
recognizing a low ranking solder in that enviroment means he cares for his men
Or Han just kept causing problems.
And he seems to have been encouraging his men, given his choice of words:
"Your Empire needs you! Troopers, forward! Solo, get up! We’re almost there…just over that last ridge! Victory is-"
I know right
He was probably the bravest of imperial soldiers I've ever seen
Just wanted to add that if the imperial officer fired on the escape pod, the empire would have never found the hidden base on Yavin. Leia would have been executed and Luke would still be a farm boy. Solo would still be running from Jabba and so on.
Checkout the "Star Wars Escape Pod Tragedy" CZcams video, the movie ends right there. 😉
She might not have been. The Senate would want to see her. He would probably be able to sense that's she Force sensitive and turn her and make her his apprentice eventually or something like Mara.
Actually, Luke would've joined the Imperial Academy and probably became one of the Empire's best pilots.
That was his original goal, after all.
@@DarthSears Indeed he would be the Empire's best pilot, second only to Vader who would eventually find out about him. I would love to read this alternate story, better yet to see it on the big screen.
This would be possible if Uncle Owen didn't come up with another excuse for him to keep staying behind. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Obi-Wan told Owen and Beru to do whatever possible to keep Luke from going to the academy soon after delivering him to them to raise.
@@JohnFourtyTwo that’s probably a reason he made the excuses. His whole goal was to make sure Anikan and Palpatine never found Luke, sending him to an academy where he’d quickly be noticed by them breaks that
The ATAT wasn't tarkin doctrine, I have pointed this out before. The ATAT was a crappy republic walker that General Veers made into a decent vehicle. Tarkin thought that they were a waste of time, and he didn't like them. He only used them because the Emperor commanded him to use other strategies than his own (in effect).
The AT-AT was, in all respects, pretty good at it's role of being an armed and armored siege tower, taking out enemy defenses while allowing the troops inside to safely disembark and engage with the disoriented enemy at close range. It's when you're trying to use it for maneuver warfare that it's really out of it's element compared to repulsorlift, treaded, or wheeled AFVs which are much more fast and agile.
Tales from the Empire points this out in one of the stories on how an ATAT could be taken down the way in ESB. However it is "legends" now.
The AT-AT was still in an early experimental stage in the days of the GAR
@@AaronSarg that’s why I like the clone wars walker more, it might not have as much in the way of armor and fire power but it also lacked the weaknesses of the atat
The AT-TE had several glaring glaring weaknesses such as the primary weapon system being incredibly exposed, the fixed cannons offer more limited fields of fire, and the crew is incredibly exposed.
The reality is that the assault on the primary Rebel stronghold sees the loss of two walkers. One from the harpoon and one from a lightsaber driven breach. The second one was essentially just incredibly bad luck. Considering the empire crushed the defenses, I think the AT-AT design was vindicated
Yogar Lyste can probably be forgiven on that theft as he did basically everything right. He left guards and clamped them down which is likely standard procedure. The thing is he forgot to account for the theft was done by protagonists.
To be honest, I think he was just too loyal towards the Empire and wanted to have his superiors having a good eye and opinion about him, besides sometimes he was doing a good job and was caring about citizens and Stormtroopers, at the episode where we last saw him, he even asked a Stormtrooper if he was okay. I don't think he was incompetent, just too ambitious.
@@golden2741 Which is honestly an understandable thing to be. Ambition can be a wonderful driving force for someone so I can get being a bit too much of that. Honestly, if someone's main crime is "I am loyal and ambitious" then I don't really see the issue with them as a person.
His lack of common sense due to the fact both of the storm troopers guarding the princess are rebels didnt think that the princess her self is a spy
I say that Major Staz is honorable for not staying in the comfort, safety of the command post and fighting alongside the men he is commanding.
Which means that he doesn't have a disconnect with the men he commands on the battlefield.
Being honorable isn't the same as being correct. High ranking officers have jobs beyond direct combat. We all love commanders like Patton and Rommel for leading from the front. This HAS advantages of endearing yourself to your troops, but you need to be where you can get information about an unfolding battle and can make decisions in a calm unhurried manner. Something that is harder to do at the sharp end of things.
wasn't the battle of nimban just a few years after the end of the clone wars?so maybe he was leading how he did during the clone wars still
He also isn't a flag officer. A major in most NATO organizations serve either as the executive officer in a battalion or command company level formations. He shouldn't be several km behind the lines, that is were a flag officer or more senior level field officer should be. At most he should be only a couple hundred metres behind friendly lines
I don’t think Piett and Tarkin were stupid
@CommanderFoxCC with Tarkin, he was just overconfident, which can be a problem while Piett just follows orders, not a bad trait, but makes you less flexible if you blindly follow orders
Wait a second!
That’s not Governor Pryce!
That’s Irina Spalko from Indiana Jones Kingdom of the Crystal Skull!
Still the _likeness_ between the two are unmistakable, and would’ve done well for a live adaption of the character!
*FIFTY POINTS GOES TO GENERATION TECH!!!*
Governor Pryce should have never been killed off, Pryce would have starred in the Mandalorian season 3 with the same actor that played Irina Spalko.
Missed opportunity!!!
Thank you I thought I was gaslighting myself, I needed to see someone else point it out
@@bloodanddajugs I had to double check myself even.
_She looks very familiar_ I thought and that she reminded me of Indiana Jones crystal skull antagonist. So I had to look her up again hoping that she was either the same villainess or a live action Pryce that I haven’t seen yet (beyond a rumored live action appearance).
Knowing Filoni the resemblance is intentional. Wouldn’t surprise me if they tried to get Cate Blanchett to voice her.
Realtalk, I loved Pryce, and I hated how they made her extremely incompetent in season 4.
She actually had the potential of being an extremely dangerous threat. Given how she's also from Lothal, she should of had more interactions and a final battle with Ezra.
A characteristic of Governor Pryce that I've always found to be, if nothing else, noble was her absolute dedication to the Empire; as while trying to stop the rebels during the final battle on Lothal, she was captured (again) and given the option to escape the doomed planetary defense station with the rebels. Pryce rejected this offer choosing rather to die as an Imperial along with her contingent.
I disagree. Even in the previous seasons, Pryce was still pretty bad at her job. Season 4 was just the icing on the cake
It would've been more interesting if Rebels decided to lean a little more into the supposed source material and made Governor Pryce more like Colonel Irina Spalko. Sharp, intelligent, capable of reading a person's mind through psychic gifts. A complement to Thrawn
@@muttproductions2536If Pryce was able to read minds, that would really make her dangerous. but that would give her force sensitivity in some capacity
Incompetence always starts at the top and, hoo boy, incompetency just *flows* from Tarkin.
It's interesting that many of the officers in question were involved with the Lothol Rebels. The Force seemed to attract the Empire's most buffoonish officers to that sector for some reason.
My guess is that since Lothal was the most backwater of the backwater, with a low population and little industry. It was a cushy posting with little threat barring like six rebels for the entire planet. Like with Denmark to the Nazis in WW2, it was not under threat so the officers there could rise up the ranks with no military experience and little that would test their competence. The officers on Lothal could coast along by being bullies. The Empire only turned their attention to the planet when one of the Rebels turned out to be a Jedi, and that the planet could be a gateway for time travel.
Bit surprised to see Lyste on the list (no pun intended), as he did his best. It's just that he didn't account that princess Leia of Alderaan would cooperate directly with the rebels to steal those corvettes, as he was protecting the ships for her, not from her.
There is also the fact that he would be the victim of the old "It was him" defence from a subordinate who was the actual spy.
Yogar Lyste was adaptable, suffering less from general incompetence than he did simply inexperience. He showed some degree of initiative in learning from the shortcomings of others. From the list of superiors he had regular contact with, it’s worth noting that he sought mentorship to some degree from Kallus over the likes of Pryce, Titus or Constantine, and that his efforts during the Leia Debacle had given a Jedi and his apprentice and the daughter of the Chosen One to all collectively have second thoughts about the operation until THE FORCE ITSELF intervened by guiding them to the answer of their problems… a man who just so happened to have worked on a key component of Lyste’s security precautions.
In spite of the failure he suffered in that incident, Lyste’s career appeared to have been on an upward trajectory bringing him in direct command of Admiral Thrawn while Constantine’s command was reduced and Titus was effectively exiled from the Lothal theater of operations to first oversee a scrapping station and later to babysit a bunch of communications relays.
But in the end, his trust in Kallus was taken advantage, his naïveté in the realm of counter-espionage techniques was his undoing in the face of one of the ISB’s finest turned traitor.
Honestly, I'd take Major Staz, Grand Moff Tarkin, Lieutenant Lyste, and Admiral Piett off the Incompetency List. Staz was the kind of officer who fought alongside his men rather than command from the safety of his command post, Tarkin's tactical genius was actually frightening when he wasn't hamstrung by Palpatine (not to mention, he successfully hunted down and defeated Darth Vader on the Sith's request by using his surroundings to his advantage, even if he almost got Force-choked immediately afterwards), Lyste did everything by the book and took every necessary precaution, and Piett was a great strategist and tactician who was forced to place his fleet between the Rebel warships and the incomplete second Death Star because Admiral Ackbar was a much more brilliant strategist.
I love there’s 5 rebels characters in a row. Rebels really knew how to make the empire look like a bunch of incompetent idiots.
Historically autocracy like the Empire hardly create efficient armed forces always favoring loyalty and political reliability than effective skill and also favoring infighting so to make harder the formation of alliance that can start a coup. Not considering that the imperial armed forces act like more an extreme militarizated police force than an effective army
Reminds me of a moment from Thrawn; Alliances where the leader of Vaders storm trooper unit appreciates how Thrawn and his crew have a genuine respect for each other and how Thrawn's philosophy could fix the imperial navy
Do you happen to remember the exact quote? I don't have the book anymore
actually piet was Vaders choice. there were like 2 other admirls before ozel and capt needa after that were in line. Vader kept killing people because Palpatine would not let him promote him. so he basically disposed of everyone in Piets way. and Piet messed up a couple of times however he never killed him. Piet wasn't a fool or bad at command he met unfortunate events. the forward shields going out was 1 and a lucky A wing piloted by a pilot knowing he was going to die to the forward shields. it was the force. the engines had been hit and were in the wrong thruster configuration and lost 1 or 2 complete engines and was in a manuveur the secondary bridge failed to come online in time. communication issue.
I can forgive Piett slightly, while he was operating too close to the Death Star, I think they were scrambling at that point, after all without the shield the station was painfully vulnerable and the fleet was positioned in entirely the wrong place to form a defensive perimeter, so they had to full burn their engines trying to get between the rebels and the Death Star, not to mention in all likelihood they were probably trying to evacuate some of the VIPs on board, specifically the Emperor.
Now where his big mistake I believe was his complete failure taking initiative at Endor, as soon as the rebel fleet started gunning towards the star destroyers they should have opened up with everything they had, you know in the direction and range all the big turbo lasers operate best at. Instead still following the Emperor's orders he waited until they were in knife fighting distance where they nor the Death Star could operate effectively.
Also guessing the helicopter, possibly Life Flight or whatever your equivalent is. Used to love near a hospital heard those going CONSTANTLY.
and even that was not his fault. the death Star needed a pretty big corridor to pick the rebel ships with the superlaser. and the ISDs DID fire back on their operating range until Lando and Ackbar decided to fly into knife combat range, as you call it. Relying on the death Star and the strategic knowledge of a politician was Pietts fault, I can give you that. but than again that politician can throw lightning, so what do you do?
Remember, the fleet was under orders not to attack. Had they have done I have no doubt the rebel fleet and fighter core would have been wiped out. But that was the Emperor, not Piett's fault. Emperor wanted to show off his new toy.
Had Peitt have ordered the fleet to withdraw, leading them into a tighter firing arc and giving the DS room to aim then the Rebels would have been wiped out.
Calrissian's idea to advance on the Imp fleet and engage at point blank range was a good strategy.
I actually think that it is actually the Ewok’s fault for messing everything up as he already is prepped. If Thrawn was participating in the battle, then it’s possible Piett may actually be one of his greatest assets.
In defence of Admiral Piett, he was terrified of making a mistake. hearing "You have failed me for the last time", or "Apology accepted" would indicate a bad time on Vader's ship. Also, the Emperor ordered him to that position over the death star.
A great deal of the incompetence was also due to the Emperor, himself. Almost without exception, such autocrats are consumed by their fear of losing power (as he reminded Anakin) and in general the most common threat is, well, Generals... and Admirals... and their subordinate officers; anyone with a more direct control of the military might of the regime. To a tyrannical Emperor it's all too possible for officers to be too intelligent, too competent, too capable... perhaps capable enough to be a threat. As a result, loyalty is heavily favored over skill, and in a dictatorship such loyalty usually comes with a lack of brains or excess of selfishness, both of which poisons the body of the regime's forces. There are the rare exceptions, of course, but their rarity prevents them from compensating for a system intentionally geared to keep the officer corps too incompetent to be a danger to their supreme leader.
If you want a historical example of this just look at Admiral Yi of Korea who was highly competent and is easily amongst the greatest admirals to ever live. Yet he routinely suffered demotions and threats of death at the hands of the court.
@@thesacredlobo Another example is Erwin Rommel. He was competent but ended up being executed due to disagreeing with Hitler.
Wanna point out something I found funny about the thumbnail on this video.
We see a whole bunch of familiar faces, everything from Tarkin to Piett, Lyste, Grint and many more.
But one of those faces stands out. Because one of those faces is actually Irina Spalko from Indiana Jones, portrayed by Cate Blanchett.
But the fun idea for that would be the fact that there is a Imperial governor who looks a LOT like Spalko. None other than Arihnda Pryce, whom we have never seen in live action.
So it's quite a nice fit. If we ever saw Pryce in live action, having her portrayed by Cate Blanchett in a similar appearance to that of Spalko would be very fitting.
Blanchett would even get the accent right
Personally, I think the best character for Cate Blanchett to play in Star Wars is Duchess Satine.
@@Kip450 so, Cate Blanchett=Satine if in a Clone Wars Era project, and Cate Blanchett=Pryce in an Imperial Era project?
At the awards ceremony on Yavin IV following the destruction of the Death Star: "And now we will have a moment of silence, not only for the brave pilots that gave their lives today, but also the one man who held the record for being Recruiter of the Month and Recruiter of the Year for the longest period of time, our dear colleague, Wilhuff Tarkin."
Well, yes and no. By dying by being blown up together with Death Star he showed that the Empire could be beaten, encourageing more hesitant worlds to join the Rebellion.
The Empire had more than enough psychopaths to replace Tarkin and continuing his blunders, so this "recruitment strategy" of the Rebellion not necessarily stopped.
I'd argue that Piet was one of the more competent officers to be honest. His death wasn't any means his own doing, how can you account for an out of control A-wing crashing into the bridge? If anything it was his bridge crew/team that failed him. But to be fair to them, there was what, 3-5 seconds of warning?
And the bridge shields being out at the same time.
@@videogenics86 100%
Nice touch adding Irina Spalko to that thumbnails 😂
Damn it! if my notification bell was actually working properly I would have had a better chance of beating you! 😂 I know I can't blame my "tools" but that's all I got 😜
2:57 "Broken Arrow!"
"Broken Arrow! I say it again! Broken Arrow! We have Broken Arrow!"
"We confirm Broken Arrow!"
"Broken Arrow Confirmed!"
"Broken Arrow?"
"It means an entire American unit has been overrun. Calls for every combat aircraft for support."
"My God, there is no hiding it now..."
I thought it mean Nuclear weapon is missing or lost.
@@darrellhall6622 In "We Were Soldiers" movie, it takes place in the Vietnam War.
Thrawn was one of the most competent along with the people who were under his command such as Pellaeon, Faro and Vanto
There were also plenty of very competent and high ranking officers that were lost with the first death star
@@jonathanpilcher337 Don't forget another large chunk of the better officers died with the Executor. Naturally the SD captains we see under Thrawn are all competent like Pellaeon, Dorja and Brandei. I doubt Thrawn would have kept them otherwise.
@@razorburn645 oh yea, I just wanted to state the main example of a large amount of competence
Piett shouldn't have been on there. He was a professional officer and did what he could with the hand he was dealt while fighting a very resourceful enemy. Vader understood this and if Piett was incompetent Vader would have choked him. As a bonus Piett was actually on a list of 20 favorite characters the Star Wars Insider published in the late 90's which was based on reader votes. He was a side character that I never would have thought made the list. I don't think he would have made that list if fans saw him as incompetent.
Replace Piett with whatever her name was who Han bribed with hyperfuel.
I like how all the characters with 2 seconds on screen in the films have so much lore
Make a video for the 10 most competent Imperial officers too 🙏
I can only think of a few. Thrawn, Vanto, Veers, and Tagge
"For ever competent officer, there were another three-"
'ha-ha'
Uh, let's aim a little bit higher, shall we? Like, maybe, into the double digits for that 'one'.
Can we all agree that Cate Blanchett would look very good as a live action Governor Pryce?
I feel that Governor Price is just a ripoff of Blanchett’s role in indiana jones lol
@@dr.president8504 Very likely seeing the distinct similarities. All the more reason to see her in the role if Pryce is brought to live action.
Also a good duchess satine when blond
@@GenerationTech I never thought of that but now I would love to see that.
I'd like to thank Ramda and his incompetence for giving me one of my favourite lines in Star Wars
"Are we blind?! DEPLOY THE GARRISON!!"
Aresko and Grint are the perfect examples of the difference between math and reality: in reality two negatives does not make a positive
Acknowledge this is the absolute best narration voice on YT
Piett was not incompetent, just like nagumo at midway. They were in a situation that grew worse as the battle went on. It should be said that Thrawn said, "Immediately after the emperor was killed on his death star, the imperial forces lost cohesion and fought on like cadets." It was proven later when Joruus C'Baoth used the Force to control and coordinate imperial forces attacking three separate planets, their efficiency in every category rose 40% above baseline. I know it's not canon, but it is possible.
@@user-ox3mj2sr8n according to the book, "Heir to the Empire" the Emperor was using the force to enhance their abilities (reflexes, etc.) Thrawn illustrated and proved his theory when joruus c'baoth controlled three separate task forces at the same time using the force. The readings thrawn took before and during the battle showed the imperials were running 40% or more over their baseline efficiency rating.
Also, remember that Lando and Ackbar agreed to move the fleet to point-blank range, not keep their distance. Therefore, it was the rebels who charged in, not the Imperials.
@@user-ox3mj2sr8n I was making a statement about what thrawn mentioned, not you.
I’ve just come here to say don’t disrespect Piett like that lmfao mans was actually competent and Vaders first choice for becoming the next admiral he also managed to deal with Ozzels crap quite well lmao
3:00 Given the number of dead Russian generals in Ukraine I'd say the idea of an inefficient military needing to use senior officers in the field is extremely accurate.
In the Russian case the generals are commanding conscripts with few to no NCOs around to handle unit leadership. Extremely inefficient and a sign of lack of will to make necessary reforms.
Putin can’t use real soldiers. Who would maintain peace back home?
Authoritarianism tends to elevate and enrich almost anything above competence.
I was sipping my soda when I saw this and I almost spit it out lol!
@@jacobhuff3748 oh no, they're not conscripts. Not there. Russian law is they can only use conscripts when actively declaring war, which putin has been careful to not do. These are the 'professional' Russian army. Which makes you see how much worse the conscripts would be if they were in the field
I am convinced that Palpatine preferred to have incompetent but loyal officers. In Legends, Palpatine and Darth Vader had to face a coup just a few months after Order 66 by one of their own Moffs.
Oh 100% it's the trap all dictators fall into eventually and why they end up facing the wall. They start to surround themselves with incompetent yes men instead of someone like Thrawn who will point out mistakes.
standard procedure for dictatorship
One problem with the Empire's officer corp was an excess of fear created by people like Vader. This created an atmosphere of risk aversion. Since even military geniuses can make mistakes(Napoleon comes to mind) this kind of atmosphere kills initiative and risk taking. A killer in war.
Admiral Piet struck me as a competent officer that made a tactical mistake by positioning his Star destroyer where it was when it was taken out
All it took to shatter the Tarkin Doctrine was what I call The Rule of One. It takes one brave and skilled or foolish but lucky person to show people the holes in the Empire's chokehold. One person to hit an ISD in the right spot for insane damage, a lucky tow cable to trip up an AT-AT, one idiot to blow Alderaan.
Piett gets a lot of shade but pretty much everything leading to his death was due to Palpatine's overconfidence, not any failure on Piett's part. Dude was doing his damndest to salvage the situation and drive the rebels away from the decidedly *not* armed and operational battle station.
Do this more often! It was quite interesting to hear about all the older Rebels officers.
I never thought piet t was incompetent. In the end he was on the wrong place and the wrong time.
Kendel Ozzel is THE definition of a career military officer. He was placed in a commanding position in a cushy spot of the Republic military due to family connections. When he was forced into a role to actually lead the Republic/Imperial military in actual combat, he utterly failed in his duties every step of the way.
So is nobody gonna talk about how you included Irina Spalko, the villain from Indiana Jones 4 in the thumbnail as an imperial officer
Now we need the 10 most competent Imperials.
a competent imperial officer? They exist? I thought they were urban legend like a stormtrooper that can hit a target
@@lukedalton There are Competent Imperials. It just that they are very, very, very rare. Like Thrawn.
My man, you have to check out more incompetent officers from Legends. One great highlight of this is one Imperial Officer who got a Corvallon as a pet whom he would talk sensitive information to without realising that Corvallon are sentient and said Corvallon would spill information to the Rebels.
Governor price is definitely inspired by the Russian Commander from Indiana Jones and the crystal skull
Irina Spalko is her name.
Isn't the chick in the thumbnail (top row, right side, shortish hair) from Indiana Jones? Lol love that.
One wonders if thrawn hadn’t have been an alien and actually have been placed in command of the grand imperial fleet. How far the rebels would actually have gotten. Vader was not a strategist on the epic scale that thrawn was either
Doesn't matter how competent or smart a character is if they are the villian, the smarter they are the dumber their down fall is because chronic bad story telling from Star Wars.
Did you watch Star Wars Rebels? Stormtroopers were turned into bumbling idiots and reduced to B1 level comic relief. Thrawn was literally defeated by fricken space whales.
Once Thrawn had made significant successful efforts against the rebel military forces, Palpatine would have gotten paranoid and started seeing him as a potential or even an actual threat to his authority. And once that happened, Vader would have been dispatched to collect Thrawn’s head. Every Sith there ever was got to be top of the heap by plotting to betray the trust of their Master. That’s one of the biggest reasons why the Sith have a lousy record of institutional resilience.
Well, from I gathered from the imperial academy on Lothal from Star Wars Rebels, it’s no wonder.
There recruits are taught
1. Actively undermine each other to get ahead
2 Cooperation is for the weak
3. Every man for themself
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It really takes away from the story when the protags only win because the enemy were written stupid.
Definitely for example I remember getting annoyed by how stupid some of the antagonists were in rebels thrawn Definitely helped the show however it still felt the protagonists had way too much plot armour
@@dark_disciple In pretty much all the movies they get away with stuff they have no business getting away with but rebels definitely takes it a step up, I like the show but still.
Thrawn was great but they even used him pretty badly and treated him like he was stupid at times.
@@dark_disciple Actually even more so stupid with Kallus where he's stupid for all the time he's imp but not when he's not.
@@warriorwolf77 yea besides 1 part I can think of I don't remember thrawn or any imperial for that matter getting a single undisputed victory the whole show is basically rebels do something they escape they get attacked they escape some main antagonist dies or leaves a new one comes in and repeat
@@dark_disciple It's definitely the characters themselves that carry it and not the stories they're in
Major Staz definitely was expected to be on the front, he may be an officer, but he's still just a company commander. He only would have had 100-150 infantrymen under his command, so he would have been in the line of fire just like any infantry Major in the U.S. Army.
Doesn't company command fall to a Captain?
Piett was decent officer. Vader respected him almost as highly as he respected Veers
vader needed to replace rex and yularen so he picked two men that closely met those requirements in veers and piett
I never thought Piett was a bad officer. He seemed efficient and at the Battle of Endor he was specifically following orders from the Emperor to keep the Rebel from escaping instead of outright killing them. That is why the A-Wing got through in the first place. I know you have probably drawn examples from books and comics...I don't have that knowledge but just from the movies he seemed capable enough.
Yep, he was just unlucky. He absolutely HAD to follow emperor's orders. If he didn't, even if his actions lead to victory he would probably be executed or discharged at least for ignoring EMPEROR'S orders. Also he was one of the few officers Vader actually valued
10:15 the way you worded this sounded like you thought lieutenant lyste died here, but in reality I bet thrawn just interrogated him for a bit, found out lyste was not the spy, and release him, I'm pretty sure this would be the last time we saw him in the show, unfortunately
I think List was somewhat competent but due to his age he lacked experience. Not to mention he did pretty good till the jedi were involved.
While you stopped to listen to the chopper, a plane was flying over my home. Timing was impeccable.
Imperial Officers are incompetent? … What about the Health and Safety department and Human Resources?
That's universal, so not a surprise.
Health and Safety? What about all the giant pits an chasms everywhere in Imperial ships and stations with no hand rails?
To be honest, I always considered Piett to be quite competent so I was surprised to see him in the list.
The way he decided to explain some failures to Vader presonaly... That was a guy who wasn't there just to be there and get a higher rank from it, but this was to me a presentation of care for his own crew. Which was actually nice to see. Many other officers we saw in the movies were just using their subordinates to follow their orders for whatever cost, grab the credit for the success and blame them for failures. Piett on the other hand was a commader worthy of trust from his subordinates. Which creates better, more motivated and in result more efficient crew.
5 minutes after me and Thrawn take power after: we are going to have some "minor" officer purges.
1 day later: Ok 90% of the officers are dead now so we might have a problem
Now do a list for competent officers. General Veers better be on it.
General Romodi was supposed to be an absolute boss, commanding his troops from the top hatch of a tank, while bellowing encouragements like an Imperial version of Patton
You have failed me for the last time American Ben. British Ben, you are in command now New American Ben.
Given how big the Empire was, it makes sense how incompetent their officers can be, spread so thin with rigid policies meant to handle all situations. If one listens to military talk about how incompetent real officers can be, it's quite realistic of Star Wars.
Also, the amount of actually competent commanders Vader has killed for insignificant reasons (ex. Captain Needa)
Your thumbnail made me realize how big of a nerd I was…… if u catch it u catch it
I caught it😉 but my nerd ego went to the dark side and blurted it out 😔
Generation Tech. I love your content and how you explain everything! Thank you so much! Keep up the amazing work man!
One thing I've always wondered is this: why do most humans in Star Wars have a British accent?
From Legends: It's because the accent we know as 'British' is from the Coruscant upper crust. Human-like senators pick up the accent on accident from emersion, or on purpose for respect during their long stays in the planet city. Those senators, when visiting their home systems, commune with noble/important people there, who also in turn try to mimic their accent for prestige. Thus, various forms of 'British' become the standard accent of 'important' people across the galaxy. Also in turn, a lot of those people were put in charge of imperial training facilities, thus the accent was disseminated amongst the rank and file.
Whoa, going to have to argue that Piett should not be here and in fact acted as best as he could given the positions he was put in. I also hate that in battlefront 2017, what's his name says "Piett you fool". Next to Veers, Piett is a solid leader. Everyone else on here is pretty much accurate lol
I feel Major Staz wanted to lead his troops into to battle and seeing he knows solo by name its safe to assume he knows most of the troops and felt it was his duty to motivate them during the battle. RIP Staz
I'm loving your videos man, they make really chill stuff to watch while I'm painting.
Admiral Ozzell's call was a good one.
Rebels already were evacuating (unbeknownst to him, but a reasonable assumption given the loss of the Probe Droid).
Moreover Rebels were able to raise the shield even with the shorter warnign given by fleet dropping close to the planet - the only fault there seems to be lack of coordination witht he ground forces and Vader.
In any case, dropping further away would give the Rebels more time to evacuate in peace, potentially removing the losses caused by blockade being close by.
If anything it was Piett who afterwards failed with the blockade duty (partially).
He got choked mostly for dissing Vader earlier.
If they had jumped behind the planet they could have enter the atmosphere from the other side of the planet. The rebels would have never raised the shield. They could have sent TIE Bombers to blow the generator and then just orbital bombard ECHO base
Vader doesn't choke officers just for being a lil disobedient, he chokes them for their incompetence with disobedience often times simply being the excuse, when competent officers are disobedient he spares them
To be fair, Piett was on orders to put his ships where he did, and a man who achieved his position in the way Piett did would likely NOT want to take the chance of moving the ships to a more beneficial tactical position lest Vader, or god forbid the Emperor himself, take a less than favorable view of moving the ships.
Ozzel appeared to be in the high position he was in due to connections, rather than skill. Some later comics made it so Piett and Vader both wanted him gone.
My father, a physicist, pointed out that if Ozzel's plan were to work, not be on sensors and not worry about the ion cannon, he should have pulled put of light speed much closer to Hoth, though that would risk the asteroid field, ion cannon range and gravity well. Thatvway, he'd be in sensor and planetar defense blind spots. There are so many ways to argue one tactic or another that he said the correct answer was that it was a no-win situation for Ozzel; hom botching Vader's plan was the perfect excuse to get rid of him. Too far to be in effective blind spots and too close to avoid sensors.
I love the sneaky use of Irina Spalko for Governor Pryce in the thumbnail. I always thought they looked alike! XD
Imperial Officers are to leadership what Stormtroopers are to marksmanship.
I am convinced that the only reason ozzel survived the clone wars was because the clones were basically babysitting him and did everything while ozzel took the credit
For a second, I was thrown off by the thumbnail thinking “wait, when was Irina Spalko a part of the Empire?” And then I realized that’s supposed to be Governor Pryce 😂
One of the short stories in From a Certain Point of View: Return of the Jedi (Impact by Sean Williams), the bridge flight controller that we saw radioing the Millennium Falcon actually implemented a bridge system lockout a moment or two before the A-Wing impacted. This bridge lockout was a relatively new protocol designed to prevent mutineers from entering the bridge. This also locked out the CIC/secondary bridge from regaining control of the ship.
The reason he did it was he previously had some rebellion sympathies as his grandmother (a Kuat System Engineer) was a rebel leader on Kuat who he thought was dead. But each of the A-Wings had her personal symbol painted on them. When he saw his grandmother’s symbol on the A-Wings, he knew she was alive and decided to rebel and activated the lockout. This helped lead to the destruction of the Executor.
in the 2nd top right I thought fir a second that character was villain from Indiana Jones And The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull
Dab Nab It! why can't my notification bell work fast enough for me to be the first to comment on technicalities like this!😜😂
lol
I suspect that the first guy was due to how close it was to the end of the clone wars. Most units were commanded by jedi officers that led from the front, it may be that at that point in the story the empire hadn't developed a meaningful alternative to direct command oversight.
Id definitely watch a longer vid for one!
I enjoyed it big time. Hopefully you can introduce the other Imperial officers in parts like part one or two. I would like to hear more about them.👍
Bolvan also had an imperial policy involving gunner accuracy records (basically, gunners had an accuracy quota, and it would be negatively affected if they shot the escape pod and they either missed or there turned out to be no reason to shoot it).
I have to disagree with Piett. His deployment was per the Emperor's plan and his death was more due to the chance of battle. He also had enough sense not to lie to Vader.
Well, just another day in the Empire.