The Rise of The TAMIYA RISING FIGHTER #1 Step by Step Upgrade - Introduction and Ball Bearings!
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- čas přidán 3. 03. 2018
- On Sundays we upgrade the Tamiya Rising Fighter (Tamiya 58416) ... Step by Step! Slowly and steadfast. This is a homage to the Last of the Tamiya Hoppers and Solid Rear Axle 2WD Buggies.
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Welcome to Step 1 of this new Sunday Tamiya upgrade video series. My hope is to complete the upgrade before Spring and the new running season and thus make this my main runner of my Hoppers in 2018. Some issues with The Rising Fighter has stopped me from running it too much since the initial build but I hope this revitalization will motivate me for the opposite.
The Tamiya Rising Fighter can rightly be regarded as "The Bastard Son" of the Tamiya Grasshopper II, Super Hornet and DT-01 Series. It is based on a Tamiya Grasshopper II chassis, a modified Tamiya Super Hornet body, a Tamiya DT-01 Gear Box and a DT-01 Mad Fighter Wing.
But the combination can also be regarded as the perfect starting point for a splendid "Hornet III" or a "Super Super Hornet" project. Basically it is screaming for some simple modifications and upgrades to bring it to a whole new Hopper-level. Can one really ask for more fun?
This first upgrade is basically the first essential upgrade that should be considered for all the Tamiya Grasshoppers and Hornets: Replacing the bushings with ball bearings and thus reducing friction and upgrading speed, acceleration and battery time. At the time of the Rising Fighter build I had the principle of building bone-stock units before allowing any modifications. Nowadays I usually install ball bearings in the initial build and always recommend this.
The Rising Fighter use the exact same bearings as the Grasshoppers and Hornets and the procedure is exactely the same. You need:
9 x 1150 (5x11x4) Ball Bearings and
1 x 850 (5x8x2.5) Ball Bearing
If you are building several entry-level units I recommend buying a large quantity of the above mentioned bearings. Many Tamiya models (not all!) use this size, and aquiring budget sets can reduce the price of the bearings significantly. The bearings used in this video cost around 0.5 €/$ a piece on eBay.
Hope you found this installation video useful or/and interesting! The video is purely intended for viewers with an interest in the Tamiya Grasshopper/Hornet legacy or/and the Tamiya Rising Fighter.
Check out my channel for many more Tamiya models.
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Tamiya Rising Fighter 58416 Specifications (Stock):
- Released in: 2008
- Type: Assembly Kit, Buggy
- 2WD
- Chassis: ABS Plastic (1988 Grasshopper II Chassis)
- Body: ABS Plastic
- Scale: 1/10
- Length: 418 mm
- Width: 236 mm
- Height: 187 mm
- Wheel Base: 268 mm
- Ground clearence: 14 mm
- Weight (dry): 1110 g.
- Suspension Front: Independent Swing Arms
- Suspension (Rear) Rigid Rolling Rear Axle
- Shocks/dampers: Friction/Springs
- Plastic bushings (9 x 1150) & Metal Bearing (1 x 850)
- Gears: Sealed Gear Box with Differential
- Pinion Gear : Aluminium 17T 0.8 Mod
- Gear ratio: 1:9.33
- Electric motor: Tamiya Brushed Standard Type 540 27T
- ESC: Tamiya TEU-105BK
Optional Parts:
- Servo: Tamiya TSU-01
- For this upgrade series I have loosely installed a receiver for testing purposes.
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Nordic RC Visions Statement:
This video features homemade footage of my own radio-controlled unit, The Tamiya Rising Fighter (Tamiya Model 58416 from 2008), from my personal RC model collection. All rights reserved.
Excellent upload for sure 👍I have love/hate relationship with my one! And I am going to do full gearbox rebuild including bearings...
Thank you! Yeah, I can definitely see some love and hate with this model too 😅 Ball bearings is a great option to start with.
Nice upgrade! Well that transmission ... I guess everybody knows it 😊
Remote Addicted Eberybody knows that this is a full blood race buggy and the rigid rolling rear axle is state of the art ;-)
Yes! Those little upgrades make all the difference! Nicely done buddy! I Need to metal ball all my Tamiya’s especially the hoppers. :)
Thanks, my friend! Yeah, working my way through my hoppers. Lots of ball bearings - not lots of time, but we’ll get there :-)
Good stuff mate. I finally got me a Rising Fighter for my hopper collection. I wasn't going to bother but stumbled upon one at a good price so thought why not. 👍
Uhh, nice! Yeah, it’s a real Hopper for sure.
the buggy is exelent car with bearing run more fastest Nice buggy y liked.👍
Yeah, ball bearings speed up things nicely. Thanks and thanks for watching, bro!
You have done a really good job to that rising fighter but my favourite is your super hornet as it's just so nice, love your collection as well, I would defiantly recommend the lunchbox when upgraded its the best I don't know if you already have one as I'm new to this channel but I really would recommend it and keep up the good work.👍
Jay Gazur Thanks a lot, bro! Yeah the Super Hornet is very cool. Would love a re-release so I could build ‘my own’ fresh unit. That reminds me, that I need to install bearings in my Super Hornet too :-) Still has the 1993 bushings I think. I would definitly love a Lunch Box too. Could be seen as a Hopper/Hornet solid rear axle Monster Truck. Must be so fun. On my wish list but that list is very long. Always hard to choose what’s next :-)
Yeah I really would recommend it especially since I converted mine to a brushless system with a 9turn motor it's an absolute beast and a wheelie machine
Jay Gazur Sounds like a wheelin’ beast - and great fun :-) Looking so much forward trying out a Lunch Box in the future.
Cool Series Mate!! As soon as I'm able to afford it, I want to get a Rising Fighter. They're still for sale here in the US, for UNDER $80.00!!
I'll do my best to try to keep up with this series.
Carmine 🚂
Somehow your comment escaped me. But thanks! Yeah, one of the cheapest Tamiyas. Quite cool, considering it’s heritage: The Grasshopper 2, Super Hornet, The DT-01s. Love it :-)
Yeah, it's got a good bloodline!! I'd say, dropping the gearbox is a NECESSITY on these! I'm trying to get one, although I know that with all the AmPro Engineering upgrades going in it, it will no longer be a bargain basement Buggy. The Double Wishbone front Suspension is probably the most dramatic upgrade!!!
Cheers, Carmine 🚂
when i upgraded my grasshopper to bearings it was pretty fast on a standard 540 can...then i swapped out a traxxas 550 titan 12 turn...nearly uncontrollable. But very fun. love your videos
devilicous Sounds very uncontrollable - but fun :-) I will install a 19T pinion (stock is 17T) and a Sport Tuned 23T on this one. Hope it won’t be too fast, even with that set-up.
devilicous And Thanks for the feedback and the great support!
Looking forward to the Fighters evolvement. I've kept the plastic bushings. They come in handy as spacers, and the brass ones can be used as diff shims. I'm such a hoarder. I don't throw anything away lol : ))
I remember using them as shims/spacers in my CC-01 rear axle :-) I’m quite a horder too. Don’t think I’ll ever use 99% of them again but they take up very little space in the model’s old box. So I just keep the things I have replaced there. In theory I can go back to 100% stock if I want to - though I know I probably never want to :-) Thanks for watching, my friend!
Using bushings as spacers is a great idea! I like to slip plastic bushings over the body posts and set them on the metal clips to prevent the clips from wearing through the polycarbonate body.
@@guymarotta2596 🙂👍👍
Very cool video, bro!!! I like the Rising Fighter! Have fun with it!
Best regards,
Daniel :)
Thanks, Daniel! I like it too. Direct line of heritage to the legends from the 1980s. Lots of fun :-) Mikael
Great video, the rising fighter does deserve more credit! You'll find out that oil shocks make no difference in its running, although it is quieter! Ampro do some great 3d printed more to enhance the drive!
Thanks! I think that oil filled shocks does make a difference, although it will not change the fact that it is a Hopper with a solid rear axle and front swing arms :-) My Super Hornet has oil filled shocks, so I am guessing it will behave pretty similar. AMPro suspension mounts and trans brace are already ready to be installed. Coming up later :-) Thanks for watching, buddy.
It doesn't because this line of buggies exhibit 'unsprung weight' the shocks hang off the gearbox so there is hardly any weight to compress the shocks, Shocks are not expensive so are better on than not but they don't make much difference to handling, cash spent on Ampro parts is better spent first! looking forward to the next episode!
taffer74 I agree with the weight problem, but try jumping the buggy with or without oil filled shocks and you’ll see the difference. The front shocks in particular make a lot of difference. If combined with very soft springs in the rear those too can do something. It’s not much, but still something :-)
Well after doing a hours worth of jumping (with oil shocks) the wing mounts split, the chassis starts to split and the front bumper mounts break! it doesn't jump and land level often! Let's just say I don't bother jumping with it anymore! ;-) ........ it's still running though!
Keep ‘em running :-) Looking forward running mine. I’ve had a lot of fun with some of my other Hoppers.
Nordic RC Visions - another excellent video for a very overlooked Tamiya! You included lots of useful information along with the bearing change - the best hop-up for a Rising Fighter in my opinion! And I totally agree that it is worth changing the shocks - if you are on a tight budget I recommend that you just change the fronts as they definitely improve the suspension (and hence the steering). Change the rears if you can afford them, my Rising Fighter bounces a little less at the rear than before the swap! Looking forward to see just how hopped-up this Hopper will become - thumbs up! :-)
Well, you got a beauty of a Rising Fighter too. It’s about time I did something to mine, since it’s release is now 10 years ago. Better run it before it becomes vintage :-) I had a lot of different CVAs lying around so I just used those. Problem is that I do not have any really really soft springs. But yeah, the front shocks worked wonders. Stopped the bouncing immediately. The rear really needs incredibly soft springs etc. to actually work. Maybe something like the Super Hornets springs. Oh well, it will run :-)
Thanks Mikael, my RF isn't too bad :-) Yeah, I did the same, fitted some old oil shocks I had lying around in my spares box - if I remember correctly I used the springs from the standard Rising Fighter shocks, as you say, they are very soft - have you tried fitting them to your new (ish) rear shocks?
Mark Bryan RC Yep, did the same. Used the stock springs. A bit too short but used some preload. Right now I already has the AMPro shock mount installed (videos of it all coming up) but later I will try with a bit longer shocks and even softer springs than the stock ones.
Of course you tried those springs! Us Tamiya fans think in similar ways :D
Sounds like you have a cunning plan for the rear suspension my friend! Looking forward to it :-)
Mark Bryan RC Yeah, they are quite nice and soft, those stock springs. No cunning design, just lowered the rear with the AMPro parts so it pleases my eyes a bit more. Purely for aesthetic reasons :-)
I love those upgrade videos cause i learn a lot from them. Thank you so much,sir! Btw: I already upgraded my tl01,the one i recently purchased from second hand and talked to you about with a new Konect esc,an hpi firebolt 15t motor and a full ball bearing set. Now it goes smoothly and safely with an amazing speed and superb handling.
Nice! Heard a lot of good things about the HPI 15T. Must fly :-) Congrats with the TL-01! Thanks for the nice feedback too!
Always a pleasure!
Awesome vintage collection! All these rc’s look amazing! Great job👍👍👊👊📹📹great upgrade I dunno why they give u those plastic bushings instead of ball bearings with kit, I did my first kit super clodbuster n bought ball bearings I installed during the build
Thanks Steve! Yeah I install them in the initial build too nowadays. This was actually my first Tamiya kit build experience, and at that time I had this idea of keeping them completely bone-stock at first. But I grew tired of replacing the bushings :-) I know why Tamiya give us the plastic bushings: to keep costs down :-)
Just building my first Tamiya kit (blue metallic Neo Scorcher) and now I wish I had bought the ball bearings to go with it... Guess I'll regret it later but will buy them to be ready for replacement!
Daryl RC Ahh, plenty of fun without the ball bearings and plenty of time afterwards to install them :-) My TT-02B still sits with it’s plastic bushings too :-)
You have some really nice content. I just subscribed. I will assemble my first Tamiya kit since the 1987 Thunder Shot soon.
Thanks! Welcome on board. Always nice to meet other Tamiya enthusiasts. Hope you’ll have a great second build :-) Just got a Boomerang in the house which I am looking forward building.
Maybe you also want to have a look at my channel. My main focus is custom made RC electronics.
Cool. I will check it out as soon as I’m with a computer!
😊👍👍 Nice! That diff probably would work awesome of you used some tamiya anti wear grease inside but it's a pain to de grease them!
Tried some motor-cleaner? Works wonders, fast, but probably not too kind to the plastic perhaps.
Hi I use motor cleaner but for electric motors not nitro and it works really good and is plastic safe...in that diff you don't want to load it up with a lot anti wear grease just lightly coat on all the pins and gears with a light coating you can use a very hard brush to put it on like bristles from a hard toothbrush. 😊👍👍
Shen RC If you want limited slip in your gear diff using AW grease I think it’s okay to use more than what you described. Right now the diff is okay for me since it won’t be going in very rough terrain, so a working diff is okay for me.
I found with diffs that are enclosed in the big gear if it's a small tire sized car you don't want to fill up the diff like guy's do with normal grease if you do this it makes the diff way to stiff I only do this with the anti wear grease on diffs with larger tires like stadium truck size and larger because the larger tires make it more easy to rotate the diff. 😊
That makes sense :-) Planning a 1/10 Monster Truck 4WD build where I will use a lot of AW grease.
Thats great. Did you put ball bearings in all RC cars? Lot of work. haha.
Too many entry-level Tamiyas in my collection :-) Lots of ball bearings :-)
Nordic RC Visions I don’t understand why Tamiya prefer bushings.
jdpasl Cheaper :-)
Nordic RC Visions hahaha 😂😆👍