Who REALLY deserved the Ballon d'Or: the UNBIASED truth
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The Ballon d'Or ceremony just ended, and Lionel Messi has been crowned the winner for a record eighth time. But did he really deserve the award? Considering Erling Haaland had a phenomenal season and was also one of the favourites? In this video I'll be giving you an unbiased and objective take on who deserved to win the Ballon d'Or.
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Hey guys, I gave Haaland another point at 4:23 because the Ballon d’Or is primarily an award for individual performances over the last year and Haaland was better at that. But the clip of me explaining that had to be removed because of copyright issues. Cheers
Shut your mouth you intentionally did not show that.
Remember that Halland beat Real Madrid in semifinals (former Champions League winner 2021-2022). Halland would beat PSG too if they were to meet in championships leagues with Messi with PSG starting 11.
@@sputeness1against real Madrid haaland was carried do you remember a very tall black dude rudiger who put haaland in his pockets 😂
@@sputeness1haaland didn’t do shit vs real madrid
Treblle is hardver then world cup
Finally an unbiased view-not easy!
*>B-bu-but Haaland magically deserved the Ballon d'Or DURRRR*
If Messi had ghosted in FIVE straight critical finals: UCL Final, UCL Semi-Final, UEFA Super Cup, FA Cup Final, and the Community Cup Final and had less than 10 touches in each of those games, only to receive the Ballon d'Or due to scoring an array of tap-ins against lesser teams like Southampton and Norwich while another player single-handedly led a team of inexperienced players to World Cup glory, surely there would have been significant backlash against FIFA with claims that the award is rigged for him, etc. However, because it's Haaland-it's somehow justified that he deserved it over Messi. The double standards are so obvious
Messi's World Cup performance is a testament to his unmatched skill, his clutch goals and exceptional playmaking abilities were instrumental in Argentina's World Cup victory, contributing to almost every goal Argentina scored. He singlehandedly saved his country from elimination against Mexico and clinched the World Cup trophy against France when he was needed the most. Hence, he was voted the best player of the World Cup and was MOTM in 5 of the 7 games (WC Record), serving as the heart and soul of the team's dream run to glory since 1986.
In fact, Zidane secured the Ballon d'Or in 1998 after winning the World Cup. Similarly, R9 fetched it in 2002 for the World Cup victory, and Cannavaro won it in 2006 for the same reason. Modric claimed it in 2018 for steering Croatia to the final. However, it seems to become a contentious issue only when Messi is the subject. Clearly, there’s clear bias against Messi, driven by casuals like Ronaldo fangirls. They obviously didn’t want Messi to add another Ballon d'Or to his tally, and they most certainly did not wish to see the gap between Messi and Ronaldo in terms of Ballon d'Or wins grow even larger.
*>B-bu-but Messi only scored penalties DURRRR*
You don't set a World Cup record by being the MOTM in 5 out of the 7 games just because you took set pieces. You earn the title of the best player in the entire competition by carrying inexperienced players and again contributing to almost every goal Argentina scored. Additionally, Messi has set WC records such as being involved in more goals than any other player on record (13 goals, 8 assists), and creating the most chances in World Cup history (72 overall and 52 in open play). It's worth noting that Modric, who only scored 2 goals, won the Ballon d'Or due to his overall contribution to Croatia.
So If these casuals knew anything about football, they would’ve known that Messi didn't just score penalties and do nothing else. He singlehandedly saved and carried Argentina to World Cup glory with his playmaking abilities and his crucial goals and assists. There’s a reason why he’s the only player in history to win 2 WC golden balls.
*>B-bu-but the Ballon d'Or is magically rigged for Messi HURRRR*
Remember In 2018 Messi singlehandedly won Barca the domestic double (unlike Haaland who ghosted in every final City played) and carried Barca to the UCL Quarter Finals and Argentina to the World Cup qualification, additionally he scored 51 goals in 54 matches representing both club and country, and winning the European golden boot. Messi had the most goals, assists, chances created and dribbles completed in La Liga that 2018 season. *Despite this, he astonishingly didn't even crack the top 4 in the Ballon d'Or rankings, his ranking was 5th. So much for the award being rigged for Messi*
So, breaking league records is suddenly more valuable than triumphing in the highest football tournament with a band of inexperienced players?? How could league stats outweigh a World Cup performance and victory?
They obviously don't, but we all know casuals (mainly Ronaldo fans) with zero ball knowledge employ all sorts of mental gymnastics to claim that Messi didn’t deserve it. They would rather have anyone else win the award, even the likes of Lukaku or Maguire. Simply because they didn’t want the Ballon d'Or gap between Messi and Ronaldo to get even bigger.
*Conclusion:* Haaland deserves the Golden Boot or the Müller award, but not the Ballon d'Or. The latter award is meant for players who have made a significant impact on their club or country, beyond just statistics. Therefore, he didn't earn those trophies (the Treble) since he went missing; KDB carried him, and 90% of his goals were tap-ins, seriously even his "highlights" showed that when he was presented with the Gerd Müller trophy.
@@88heiling Yes, I see what you mean. Personally I am a Ronaldo fan but after watching this video, I see that Messi deserved the ballon d’or, but so did Haaland.
He may have ghosted in big finals, but he scored to help get his team into those finals. All in all, they both deserved the ballon d’or, but Messi slightly more, and Haaland obviously getting the golden boot.
This isn't unbiased in the slightest, he CLEARLY favored messi throughout, haaland won everything and couldn't have won more, it's not haaland fault norway is horrible, messi flopped in the champions league despite having the best team, this video is insanely biased
@@88heilingI aint reading all that it ain't an essay
@@Mdksupreme1messi did not have the best team
His numbers were amazing, just like Haaland and Mbappe(G/A 63, 66 and 66). The biggest difference is not that he won the WC, he was the heart of the Argentina team. he carried the team. He was the Captain. The big chances created for club and country. Match ratings. I personally don't think Haaland is better than Mbappe. He is a phenomenal striker, but he also has a whole team of Ballon d'Or nominees. You have Alvarez, Rodri, Silva and De Bruyne feeding him with precised passes. I think Mbappe would have won the Ballon d'Or if he won the WC. The WC final was one of the most exciting finals in WC history. At the end it is a media award and the WC tilted the balance towards Messi.
it was one of the most exciting matches in the history of the sport tbh. that wc final was perfect in every way (unless youre french). way better than the france croatia final
The difference is Messi g/a are from friendlies
I am a Barca Fan since day 1 and me myself i say that HALAND deserves it
@@ufcchampion3686 I wouldnt argue with you about it.
@@waybig69420 maybe they count those too.
Most people are saying robbed because the only justification people are giving for Messi winning the ballon d'or is because he won the world cup which leads to comparisons like "why didn't Iniesta or Xavi win in 2010 or why didn't Griezmann or Mbappe win in 2018?"
That’s the thing, people disregard everything Messi did with PSG just because PSG didn’t win the UCL. He was just as important for them as Mbappe.
Xavi, iniesta, mbappe, griezmann didn't win the wc best player messi and modric did
because statpadding is not good enough in the baguette league
Diego Forlan won the 2010 WC Golden Ball, Luka Modric won the 2018 WC Golden Ball, Messi won the 2022 WC Golden Ball.
So if is all about world cup why iniesta dey not win it 2010
Yeah, I’m a city fan but they both deserved it. In a non-WC season, 100% Haaland, but unfortunately for him, it is. I also think the case for Haaland was ‘he did poorly at PSG’ when he did quite the opposite
Well, Messi had to play in a crisis-stricken (and lackluster) team called PSG, while Haaland was in the most dominant and proficient team in the world.
So, yeah... by circumstantial luck, Haaland would definitely grab it in non-WC season.
Ye with players like kdb,grealish and foden by his side he got easy goals
@@luisantonioduarteah-hoy9663 messi plays for Argentina and haaland plays for norway. So yeah by circumstantial luck messi won it
@@Hatchetzthat's his job . His job is bag the goals and he did it.
@@Hatchetzyou forget how many chances Chelsea created for havertz last season and he missed nearly all of them
I feel like world cup should have greater importance. I say this not just because it happens once in 4 years, but also because it happens between national teams. Manchester city missed out on the ucl against chelsea, so they could sign key players using money. you cant do the same for national teams. In international matches, you need to rely on talent produced by your nation, whereas any club, not just man city, can spend a couple of hundred million euros to sign players to improve their squad
That's exactly why WC should have less importance. You can be the best in the world but if you are born in a country that doesn't have a good team (Halland for example) you are never going to win a WC. If you are a great player you have a chance to go to great teams. But you can't change where you are born.
If Messi played for Korea for example, he would never have a WC. Doesn't matter how good he is. Halland goes to city because of his own talent, not cause he was born into it
@@vx1762 if youre that good a player, you should he able to show it on the pitch and make an impact. Like he said if you take out messi from argentina and replace with haaland, then argentina would definitely have lost the world cup.
Also like big game performances are very important i would say, cuz all or your goals could be from scoring against bad teams. It shows you ghost in big matches and cant score goals against teams better than you
Also like world cup went from being the most prestigious tournament to being a 7 game tournament. Winning the world cup is like completing football. There is a reason people win more than 1 champions league. Its cuz it happens every year and if a team loses one year, they can win the next. Cr7 lost in 2012, and then ended up winning 4 of them. Whereas World cup, generally footballers only win 1 of (unless your name is pele) look at Germany. They won it in 2014, but have failed to qualify out of the group stages in the next two. Brazil have always been favorites to win it but they havent even come to the final after winning it in 2002
@@felixfire9513 put Messi on Norway and he won't even quality to the WC. You are saying Argentina doesn't have a good team which is false. And with your logic, why didn't Messi won the CL then? If he is that good of a player? Are you going to Blame his team?
Haaland beat the EPL goals record
Haaland completed a tremble which hasn't been won in 20 years
Haaland is tied with Messi in most goals in a single game in the CL. (He actually wins against Messi cause he had less minutes)
Messi won the WC and was the best player of the tournament
Messi won the french league (which is full of bad teams so by your logic those performances shouldn't count)
Messi lost to Benfica in the CL by goals and then got immediately eliminated by Bayern in the CL.
Aside from the WC, Messi hasn't done anything meaningful. Even if he wasn't on PSG, they'd still win the league. Without Haaland they wouldn't win the tremble. Impact wise, Haaland was more important then Messi.
Also a EPL tremble hasn't been won since 1999. It's harder to win a EPL tremble then it is for a WC. Just because you have more opportunities to win it doesn't mean it's easier, this isn't FIFA career mode where you can reset the game. And winning the WC is more determined by which country you are born and what generation you are born. Take a look at CR7. In his prime, he had no team to play with. Now at 38 years old, he has a really good team to play with but now he is old.
The other thing I want to mention is in the last 20 years you have 66 players winning the WC (not counting subs). In the last 20 years you have 20 players winning 4 CL. Your statistics saying it's harder to win a WC vs 4 CL doesn't add up here.
@@vx1762but it’s hard to make your country win no matter what country it is.
@@prometheustv6558sure but there is a massive difference between countries, you can't say that one player turns a country from san marino level to france level because that just can't happen
2 reasons people tend to bring up to defend the ‘rigged’ allegations are:
- Most of his goals in the World Cup were penalties
- He does much more for Argentina than scoring penalties. You should have watched their games.
- He ghosted for PSG
- While he wasn’t at his best in the Champions League, he scored 16 goals and made 16 assists in Ligue 1 (which is admittedly average for his level, but spectacular for any Ligue 1 player apart from Mbappé). Many people don’t care about Ligue 1 and probably assumed that his 2022/23 Ligue 1 stats are similar to 2021/22.
Although I do think Messi deserved it, there is one player who deserved it more: Rodri. He won the treble, was in PFA’s Team of the Year, named the Champions League’s Player of the Season, won the UEFA Nations League and won the Player of the Tournament of the UEFA Nations League. The World Cup is a little overweighted as a criterion for individual awards imo.
1. Rodri
2. Messi
3. Haaland
4. Mbappé
5. KDB, but by a bit of a distance (this low mainly due to game time management to combat his injury proneness)
Don't disrespect de bruyne like that
Ligue 1 is 5th in League Ranking in Europe while PL is 1st
I would've treated the Ballon D'or debate seriously if the nominees were Rodri, KDB, and Messi.
@@mr.p1759well he’s injured so yeah….
@@ammarbaaguin history, but not this lmao
Man city was literally a super team
I think Rodri deserves a mention aswell
Sorry for interruption but saying that madrid fans didn't want messi to win a ballon d'or was pretty generalised. Been supporting the club since 2009 but I think Messi deserves every success he's a part of. Yeah, this was a very close call but Worldcup campaigns really put an emphasis on player's ballon d'or. For example, Nazario 2002, Cannavaro 2006, Modric 2018. People just try to bring the stats for ballon d'or forgetting the other criterias. Zizou didn't have more than 30 G/A in 1998 but he won the worldcup and hence after that stellar impact he had on the french team made him a winner! Feelin sad for halaand though. But Messi's stats were as justifiable as Haaland's. Thanks for giving the extra point to halaand though! It neutralised the career criteria. That was a BS filter for ballon d'or tbf. Loved the video though. ❤️
So how about Iniesta or snjeder 2010?
@@flavaj12yup, spain 2010 was garbage team overall, only these guys made them win.
@@flavaj12ok let me clear and am being non-baised
First thing first inesta wasn't even the best Spanish player in that period of world cup
David villa was the best
Now sneijder was ranked 4th and I didn't know what journalists have smoked
But it should be messi vs sneijder rather than inesta
Now his team were outstanding at club level but his performance was dropped not much but yahh looking at the team yes sure
And this might be the biggest reason for sneijder getting less vote
But again if he won ballon d'or it will be fair or messi won it no problem he was good
I mean played in world cup quarter finals
Become the European golden shoe winner
As will play maker of the year
Scored 8 goals in UCL and top scorer
So might me yes both deserves
but still great performer
@@helloworld7448 Bro what? Your acting as if that argentina team is wack? Bro the whole tram played there socks off especially Martinez GK. He saved them multiple times.
@@anotherPerson74 You just proved my point. If it’s a personal performance award, Haaland is clear. Playing in the most difficult league and winning the treble. What has Messi done last year as a overall year especially in the farmers league? Take the WC away and what do you have?
As a Ronaldo fan it's fine Messi winning the ballan dor.
Your voice is so satisfying to hear, subbed
Unpopular opinion: messi and haaland didnt derserve it, mbappe did. Neither of them can score a world cup final hat trick. Mbappe carried his team to world cup final and got ligue 1 golden boot, with other strong competitors but he still won it. If you put both mbappe and haaland in efl league 2, then haaland will be scoring way less than mbappe because haaland needs a kdb or a rodri behind him for assists, meanwhile mbappe can score in almost any condition
😂😂😂😂
French guy detected.
Mbappe didn't win anything better than a WC or a UCL so no.
there is a reason why this is unpopular.Mbappe had a string of bang average performances mid season and it was actually messi and some scrappy goals from elsewhere that got them through that period.Also not to mention Mbappe wasnt even the best french player during the WC campaign.Griezmann was absolutely killing it,constantly creating space and goals for France all the way up till that Argentina game where he got absolutely shut out by an incredible defensive zone marking masterclass by DePaul and MacAllister.Mbappe turned up the heat in the final and full credit to him but there is no shot that France would have made it to the final without Grizzy in the first place.Messi on the other hand was just brilliant throughout the season bar 7 games,check it up if u want.Consistent games with 7+ ratings at 36?Unheard of.But personally the tide could have shifted massively if belgium had a clinical striker.This was KDB's best chance yet and a certain Lukaku ruined it for him
@@theboss-by5gd facts dude
@@theboss-by5gd Messi's performance in the WC was exemplary, yes. But without his teammates, he wouldn't even make it to the semis, just like it was for Mbappe. Emi Martinez carried them through the shoot-outs; Di Maria scored when it was needed the most.
I think messi deserves the point for collective achievements because you didn’t mention the fact that messi also won a domestic double with PSG, meaning he had just as many trophies as haaland. They both had a league title, a domestic trophy, and haaland had the UCL while messi had the World Cup.
Yeah, but the French League is not comparable to the Prem. I'm not a Brit BTW.
Im a Messi fan but it’s gotta be a tie. Statistically speaking a treble is harder than WC. But ofc the reason it’s a tie for me it’s because nothing is bigger than the WC, when messi won his second treble everyone still bullied him for an international trophy. But yeah at the same time a treble in the best league is very up there. When having this conversation the French trophies feel like meaningless to even bring up
@@OO-Olivia-O true, but everyone always acts like it means nothing. Man City and PSG have won their respective leagues the same amount in the last 5 years. The French league isn't comparable to the prem, but PSG also isn't comparable to Man City
wow psg won ligue 1 and the cup what a surprise
I am a barca and city fan but haaland actually deserved it I like how he did not even mention mbappe because he knew he lost
This was his retirement Ballon D’Or and winning the World Cup certainly helped but if this was based on who was the best player over the season then for me it was not Messi this time but that’s not how fairy tale careers end. They end by the hero going into a decline then rising up for one final tournament and winning.
Bro the „retirement ballon’dor shouldn’t exist“ it’s bullshit nostalgia and that’s it
Bro the „retirement ballon’dor shouldn’t exist“ it’s bullshit nostalgia and that’s it
messi has high chance getting super balon dor
something i have to say is that the ballon dor is also judged on this season until november when messi went outside europe and haaland was still scoring many goals for man city
No it ends in august
you should have put more examples of what he did for club
I'd give to Haaland 5-6, and 5-5 without the extra point. because I think the breaking records, talking about who broke the more important and longevity records, would go to Haaland. I'm just excited to see the points, and how close their point rating was to see how the journalists think, which I don't know if they will drop this year.This was certainly a pretty close one, but I'd edge it out to Haaland by a tiny, very very very tiny bit. The good thing is that if Haaland certainly thinks he was robbed, and it doesn't effect his mental health, just his anger, he could use this as motivation. Emo stage Haaland is entering the chat.
Is this your first long form video btw?
Give out 4.
1 to Haaaland
1 to Messi
1 to Bonmati
1 to Lewandowski for 2020 show some class
Messi well deserved
Two main things I disagree on with the analysis here.
1.1 PSG and ManCity aren't that different in terms of quality of the team that it would make sense to dismiss the achievments.
1.2 Ligue 1 however is different enough in terms of quality to the EPL that it would make sense to value stats in EPL more than in Ligue 1. PSG is simply farming the Ligue 1
2.1 Haaland playing for Norway, there is virtually no chance ever for their team to ever win a World Cup.
2.2 Argentina is a much better national team and will always have more chances to go all the way (as opposed to players evolving in teams such as Croatia, Portugal, Norway, Belgium...)
2.3 Therefore the Ballon D'Or shouldn't give this much attention to players advancing far in a WC. It's simply stupid. Haaland will never win a WC with Norway. Time to stop this nonsense.
2.4 Haaland is therefore doomed to only ever "score points" for the Ballon D'Or in non-WC or EC years and achieving a club treble is the most anyone could ask him for.
Conclusion: Ballon D'Or is based on unfair criterias. The better player was Haaland and criterias need to reflect that more. If you want to hand out awards based on collective performances, then you should create a section that gives an honorific title to a whole team, not just a single player. And you should absolutely take into account the different opportunities/priviledges players have with regards to one another. A player that was born in Brazil, France, Germany or Argentina will always have an unfair advantage to one born in a country that produces less talented footballers. That's simply not fair.
As someone who likes both I was happy with Messi winning but sad haaland lost
i think it is to be expected that some people call this ballon dor rigged, just like when some people call the world cup rigged. As a football fan, I don't mind which player win the award.
even as a madrid and a ronaldo fan who loves messi as a player and a persona dn the technical genius he desivered the ballon dor
The Ballon D'or certainly isn't fair given that people have to vote ; yes Messi was great at the world cup and definitely did his best and won but Haaland was also phenomenal last season and by far the best player but if the World Cup is the determining factor than I guess Messi deserved it otherwise it should have gone to Haaland given his man city performance last season.
Fr
Someone can't even disagree
They will come me ronaldo fans
Ye plus how Can Messi not win it like since 1962 only 3 players didn’t win it 1 player because he wasn’t European+ the other 2 because FIFA and France football collab and who had higher G/A would win it
The only reason haaland didn’t win is because it was a World Cup season, it takes priority and that is that. He deserves the ballon dor 100 % but not more than messi
My top 5
Messi
Halland
Rodri
De bruyne
Mbappe
It's ironic how you say that other half of them want the player that they don't like to loose. This statement is enough to clarify the deserved candidate.
Thank you for making this.
One of the best videos ever!!Finally an unbiased view.
Wohoo, first long form video 🎉
they need to give the price to the best player in the world and idk if they have seen the season of haaland but that was out of the this world
Hey please make a video explaining why each of messis ballon dors were fair
ghjang du al Lionel messi tu campone al ballond'or gu sang wel ??
you can look up the statistics each year and figure it out yourself, its not that difficult. you can also look up the years where he didnt win and if you arent biased, you will realize that every year will seem somewhat unfair.
You better ask ur father
Messi ghosted against Bayern tho
HAALAND GHOSTED IN EVERY BIG GAMES
messi didn’t miss an open goal, vitinha did.
No He didn’t. Messi was boxed out of the game because of PSG’s lack of Ball movement!!
So that being the case Messi wasn’t able to be anywhere near as effective. If you actually watched the game you would see that!! Messi Surely didn’t have a starry night but calling him a ghost is too much when its PSGs fault
@@cephas3090 arsenal
As a Messi fan i should be just as enraged as the so called neutral fans..
Except, it's not his fault for being the best key player in winning the WC
(After watching the video I can see why as they both come very close)
They can just stop giving the ballon d'or they pick and choose who they want to win
can you make on 2018?
His first normal video
World Cup because wc Happens every 4 years yes treble is slightly impossible but first the treble was won by man city the best club in the prem rn so ofc they won Messi is playing a small Argentina country he mostly had to carry and HAALAND is playing in a super team for the treble and Messi is playing at psg who will NEVER win the UCL so I think Messi there is no bias beacuse I think haaland achieved alot
Your explanation deserves Balon D'or ❤. At least the haters have got a sigh of relief today but they resume spewing venom tomorrow.
Messi was better in every discipline except goals, and he still managed to have the same G/A contribution like Haaland. The MOTM trophies are very good reflections on individual stats, Messi had more than Haaland and Mbappé COMBINED in season 22/23. Let that sink in.
People seem to miss this point.
Mbappe was there aswell even if he played for psg noone talked about it
If he won WC people would say he deserves it
Mbappe and messi were there for the same reason
Both played a good role at psg (messi had a bigger role)
And both were amazing at world cup
Only difference is messi won the world cup and was slightly better than mbappe at psg
Messi broke 26 records in the world cup they were not equal during it
ehhhmmm mbappe had a better season at psg than messi last year btw, and you can argue he had a better world cup aswell with a hattrick in the final. Or if you count penaltys you can argue messi almost kept up with mbappe but messi fans hates players who scores on penaltys so i guess they dosent count. problem is playing out of a top 5 league in Europe kinda makes you league stats usless. And his cl stats where non existing aswell so he kinda won the Ballon D'or from 8 games in a world cup and that is kinda suss. And a trebble in PL (biggest league and best league in the world) happens 1 time every 25+ yaer so winnning trebble is a bigger achivment than winning a world cup. And breaking so many reacords in that same season should be reworded. And you can say messi broke a tone of records at the world cup but when every record he broke is time played and matches played its not really that impressive and dosent say anyting about his balling skills last year.
@@HeKooroXtremalright I get it the penaltys made it seem like messi wasn't good but
As someone who watched all of the Argentina games in the wc (besides against Saudi Arabia) I know for a fact messi was the best player in all of those games
Messi WAS Argentina and it's just a crime for those pens to outshine messi's insane performance
And 2nd is except for the Bayern game messi was a main factor for psg getting out of the groups as he scored in almost every game he played
And he had a pretty good season for psg all around being him and Neymar the main reason for mbappe's good season at psg
@@tnt555main factor😂😂😂, the guy statpadded 6g/a in 2 games against a small team😅
@@tnt555tells you that his performance came from penalties, if he gave them to Alvarez, he would have won golden boot and maybe even ballon dor😂😊
I do support haaland more than messi but this video I agree with it makes perfect sense and I'm a city fan
Premier league is also better than France league.
WORLD CUP IS BETTER THEN CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
About the treble and wc debate, a treble is worth more, why? The amount of different nations to have won the wc is 8 and the different amount of teams to have completed the treble is 8 (city being 8th)
It's unbiased remember
Stop with the nonsense imao 2 ucls are better than a treble and 2 ucls aren’t better than a World Cup
Nice video, I also agree with you that they both equally deserved the ballon dor but I’d give haaland the edge bc of his premier league goal scoring records
without Messi there would be no league one for PSG and no golden booth for Mbappe . further more without Messi there would not be world cup for argentine however, without Haaland city would win the treble as he(Haaland) had zero contribution in there 3 finals Haaland is a great striker no doubt but next to Messi I guess not .100 coaches and national team captain and journalist are not all wrong at the same time
As a Ronaldo fan, I was fuming and shouting it was rigged for Messi, but yeah I agree with you after watching this video he actually deserved to win it
Messi was visible on the Pinnacle of football competition. That's where haaland lost it.
Congratulations to Messi.
Then he dropped form for most of the season best player of the season was haaland best player of the month was messi
If we go back to 2021, Lewandowski was the top scorer in bundesliga with 41 goals and was the continents top scorer for a second year in a row and won the European golden shoe.
And who won?
A COPA AMERICA WINNER.
this can just prove that he is fifas child
(Edit:) created a lot of controversy havent i
the award is not by fifa, n the players were voted by journalists so messi has the most votes
True man fifas child
0 ball knowledge if you think ballon dor is managed by fifa
@@aorie920 Its managed by france football..Fifa stands for Fédération Internationale de Football Association..Which is...French...
@@kingcrimson5005fifa has no control over ballon d'or that's why there fifa the best award
You guys are getting it wrong, messi not only won the world cup, he won 3 other trophies of which he was the best in three of the four trophies he won. Haland was only best in one, which is the premiere league
Please do another vid comparing Messi’s ballon d’or to the most underrated player, and in my opinion the rightful winner of the ballon d’or. Rodri
Bruh haaland could have easily won the World Cup with argentina
no prove. statement denied
Its true he could have his is the best player of the season
but where exactly do those goals come from.No player on earth is putting the ball past ochoa other than messi
Objectively the best analysis ive seen. Both players were deserving, but its just a pity haaland didnt perform that well in the ucl , and since messi did sooo well in the world cup, personally i think messi does deserve it just sooo slightly more (im a bit biased im a messi fan). But objectively speaking, yeah i agree haaland definitely deserved the ballon dor as much as messi.
"It's just a bunch of people & journalists voting their friends"
- Johan Cruyff
Even now he was knick out for Euro 2024.
World happens every 4 years . Most prestigious Achievement and difficult one. And messi was the best player in the world cup so we must respect messi.
As a Barcelona and Messi fan Haaland was the clear deserved winner
Your lying lol
I have a question.
Is it even correct to compare a g/a stats of a player playing in Premier League to a player playing in League 1?
If yes then then is that means the quality of League 1 is the same as Premier League then?
Ok then WC G/A>>>>Prem G/A
Messi Deserve 2 ballon d,or This World Cup year_&_Halland Deserve The ballon d,or But__Messi Deserve
2 ballon d,or This year____
Personally, I believe that haaland deserved it as erling haaland is the first ever player to score 36 goals in a 38 game premier league season and he won the treble an achievement that only one other team in premier league history has achieved. I do believe that Messi is amazing but I don’t think that he would get anywhere near to Haalands goal record if he played for city. Erling has also always been very prolific if it was for Norway 🇳🇴 or for Salzburg etc so I believe he would be able to lead that Argentine team to glory therefore meaning he had a better individual season.
Bro compare this stats for 2018 ballon dor
Sounds pretty fair. Good job!
Answer this, which is better a treble or a WC?
I'm sure if Haaland would pick the WC, more so a majority of footballers would. People down play the WC, if Haaland's and Messi's roles were reversed I'm sure Haaland would prefer the WC, no doubt. Here's one better if it were possible, gather all the footballers in the world and ask, which would you rather to win, a Ballon d'Or or a WC? You bet the majority would pick the WC. Hence, Haaland deserved it, but Messi deserved it a bit more. I've made my point if every one would prefer the WC, then the Ballon d'Or winner is Messi, not to mention his stats in the WC give him a huge boost, I think him getting the golden ball played just as much of a part as the actual title when deciding the Ballon d'Or winner.
So, Messi didn't win the B D'Or only because of the WC but because of the WC and what he did in the WC (Argentina on a whole). If your looking at it in this way. But that doesn't mean you should forget what he did for PSG as well.
People think because it say Haaland 50+Goals in 50+ games means he scored in every game, and when you think of it Haaland had his goals from high scoring matches, not that I'm downplaying him, but Messi made an impact in more games and that's why he has more MOTM. Look at it this way Messi made more contributions in more games but Haaland had more contributions in a game. Here something to think about who was more exciting when playing [all matches played in].
The Ballon d'Or is for the entire season, and Messi had a more impactful role on his team, in terms of matches.Haaland has 3 trophies so does Messi, farmers leagues or not they did deserve to win those titles because they played to win. PSG is not at fault that the other teams cant get big investors.
Haaland broke alot of records yes but so did Messi, and more so Messi's records are more diverse. Haaland broke those records because of one thing his goals Messi broke his records based on all his different qualities he displayed during his performances goals etc, and you all need to realize that he did these while at 35 (retiring age with practically noobs not all ofc) while Haaland is still in his prime, early 20s while also a fricking tank, playing for arguable the best team in Europe, with WC top value players. Why wouldn't they win the treble. So don't say it was robbed, cause the last time I check Messi didn't ask for it and he made that clear. The guy was just playing the most exciting WC and they gave him, not his fault he's just to good.
Lastly,
AFTER CHAMPIONS LEAUGE FINAL
Commentators, sport fans, sport analysts, England, Europe - Man city won the treble
(Except some youtubers etc)
AFTER WC
Commentators, sport fans, sport analysts, Argentina, The World - Messi won the WC
Say what you want but I don't see Haaland sleeping with all the trophies (I just wanted to say this part)
Before you all say I'm bias I just want to say, I'm a CITY fan 100% and a Messi fan 100%, so dont say I hate Haaland because I'm well aware of what he did for my club
Name a single memorable thing haland did all year 😂
Ul be waiting a long time for an answer
@@sesfabregas884 months have past and nothing yet
The player career criteria makes no sense
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If you ask me, the only thing in there haaland didn’t get is number 6
This is what I think the top 4 should’ve been
4. Mbappe
3. KDB
2. Messi
1. Haaland
ALSO. I think Messi should’ve won the Super Ballon d’Or and Haaland should’ve won the Ballon d’Or
No way bro put kdb over Mbappe 😂
@@SalemEditzTM I did, and I do not care much about your opinion
I'll never understand the value of the world cup considering the sheer amount of luck related to where you are born or even your family tree, how could haaland do better if he plays for Norway... Nobody can really hold that against Haaland's legacy, as if he chooses which players can play with him on the national team
Messi played for a shit psg team which had no chance of winning the champions League and people held it against him so all's fair in love and war
You are missing the point, everybody could change clubs and win the UCL anywhere else, you can't switch national teams (in most cases) at will
you do know haaland could have played for england@@YouDidNotReadThisDidYou
wc is the most difficult and prestigious tournament. if your nation is bad, you will just need to carry them as far as possible, while if you play in man city, all you need to do is stand where pep tells you, while the rest of the team does their job, you kick the ball 3 times per game and score 3 goals. its much easier to make a well oiled machine in club football, and thats why imo haaland didnt deserve to win the award under any circumstances, he didnt carry the team and he was not the reason his team won, he was just the goalscorer in the best team in the world, he arguably did the easiest job in the team.
@@hobbs1015BUT ITS A CLUB A CLUB CAN DO ANYTHING TO ENHANCE THEIR PLAYERS 🤦🏻♂️
I am a Messi fan and this was a very respectful list🇦🇷🇦🇷🐐🐐
If Iniesta didn't win it and got robbed by messi then i think haaland with the treble should've won the second point
Someone who didn't even show his face on the world cup has no right to win this.Don't care if Noway didn't want to participate. No performance in wm = no right for Ballon d'Or
Good thing he didn't win, blame norway for it
I would disagree on individual performance. Haaland had one critiera were he performed well in goalscoring and yes that it is very important and he was amazing at it. Messi however can do everything on the field that you could imayine from a player. He had the most chances created, a ton of assists, the most dribbles and the 3rd most goals. He had 162 successful dribbles which is more then 3x what haaland had. He had roughly 130 chances created which is one of the best stats out of any player this season. He had 26 Assists(2nd most this season). In my opinion Messi performed incredibly well in every critiera there is for individual performance, he also had the highest G/A(67) our of any player. No disrespect towards Haaland, he had a fantastic season and Im sure that he'll win a ballon dor in the near future.
Messi is one of a kind, many Ronaldo fans use to argue about past ballon d'ors being undeserving, however I always thought that those are nonsense but as time goes by the favourism towards Messi is surfacing up and I'm really unhappy coz there is a saying "even the smallest lie can break the biggest trust" due to this kind of unwanted favourism Messi whole achievements seems to be diluted. If it goes on everything goes down the drain. Messi himself was upset about the refree favouring towards him. An average player would have been more than happy if a refree was favouring a player but Messi being a legend just couldn't take it.
All Haaland does is stand around in the box and wait for someone to pass the ball; he's incapable of creating his own goals like true great strikers such as R9. That’s why he ghosts in every big game like the UCL Final, UCL Semi-Final, UEFA Super Cup, FA Cup Final, and the Community Cup Final and KDB has to carry him. City could’ve won the treble without him but Argentina would’ve got eliminated by Mexico without Messi, that’s undeniable FACT.
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For me its 5-5 because I don’t count the career one that is the stupidest thing ever
World Cup is the greatest trophy in football, but that's just on papers. It's among all national teams and it happens every 4 years, but it's just 7 games long and those teams are not at their best form nor is World Cup the highest level of football. On the other hand, Premier League is the hardest league and Champions League is the highest level of football. Haaland deserve it.
Messi deserved it he also won a treble:cup with inter Miami ligue 1 and world cup
In 4 years you can win 4 champions leagues and only one World Cup so I think that the World Cup is bigger than the Champions League
Messi deserved the second point, he won World Cup, ligue 1, finalisima, french super cup, trophée de champions. Halaand won Premier League, FA Cup, and UCL.
Then records, Haaland didn't broke any record by scoring 5 goals, he equalized it. Messi's broken records are: most trophies won by a footballer, most dribbles in world cup tournaments, Argentina highest scorer in world cup tournaments, player with most goal contributions in world cup tournaments (g+a), First player to score and assist in 4 different world cup editions, highest number of MOTM's in world cup tournaments First and only footballer with 2 Laureus award.
*>B-bu-but Haaland magically deserved the Ballon d'Or DURRRR*
If Messi had ghosted in FIVE straight critical finals: UCL Final, UCL Semi-Final, UEFA Super Cup, FA Cup Final, and the Community Cup Final and had less than 10 touches in each of those games, only to receive the Ballon d'Or due to scoring an array of tap-ins against lesser teams like Southampton and Norwich while another player single-handedly led a team of inexperienced players to World Cup glory, surely there would have been significant backlash against FIFA with claims that the award is rigged for him, etc. However, because it's Haaland-it's somehow justified that he deserved it over Messi. The double standards are so obvious
Messi's World Cup performance is a testament to his unmatched skill, his clutch goals and exceptional playmaking abilities were instrumental in Argentina's World Cup victory, contributing to almost every goal Argentina scored. He singlehandedly saved his country from elimination against Mexico and clinched the World Cup trophy against France when he was needed the most. Hence, he was voted the best player of the World Cup and was MOTM in 5 of the 7 games (WC Record), serving as the heart and soul of the team's dream run to glory since 1986.
In fact, Zidane secured the Ballon d'Or in 1998 after winning the World Cup. Similarly, R9 fetched it in 2002 for the World Cup victory, and Cannavaro won it in 2006 for the same reason. Modric claimed it in 2018 for steering Croatia to the final. However, it seems to become a contentious issue only when Messi is the subject. Clearly, there’s clear bias against Messi, driven by casuals like Ronaldo fangirls. They obviously didn’t want Messi to add another Ballon d'Or to his tally, and they most certainly did not wish to see the gap between Messi and Ronaldo in terms of Ballon d'Or wins grow even larger.
*>B-bu-but Messi only scored penalties DURRRR*
You don't set a World Cup record by being the MOTM in 5 out of the 7 games just because you took set pieces. You earn the title of the best player in the entire competition by carrying inexperienced players and again contributing to almost every goal Argentina scored. Additionally, Messi has set WC records such as being involved in more goals than any other player on record (13 goals, 8 assists), and creating the most chances in World Cup history (72 overall and 52 in open play). It's worth noting that Modric, who only scored 2 goals, won the Ballon d'Or due to his overall contribution to Croatia.
So If these casuals knew anything about football, they would’ve known that Messi didn't just score penalties and do nothing else. He singlehandedly saved and carried Argentina to World Cup glory with his playmaking abilities and his crucial goals and assists. There’s a reason why he’s the only player in history to win 2 WC golden balls.
*>B-bu-but the Ballon d'Or is magically rigged for Messi HURRRR*
Remember In 2018 Messi singlehandedly won Barca the domestic double (unlike Haaland who ghosted in every final City played) and carried Barca to the UCL Quarter Finals and Argentina to the World Cup qualification, additionally he scored 51 goals in 54 matches representing both club and country, and winning the European golden boot. Messi had the most goals, assists, chances created and dribbles completed in La Liga that 2018 season. *Despite this, he astonishingly didn't even crack the top 4 in the Ballon d'Or rankings, his ranking was 5th. So much for the award being rigged for Messi*
So, breaking league records is suddenly more valuable than triumphing in the highest football tournament with a band of inexperienced players?? How could league stats outweigh a World Cup performance and victory?
They obviously don't, but we all know casuals (mainly Ronaldo fans) with zero ball knowledge employ all sorts of mental gymnastics to claim that Messi didn’t deserve it. They would rather have anyone else win the award, even the likes of Lukaku or Maguire. Simply because they didn’t want the Ballon d'Or gap between Messi and Ronaldo to get even bigger.
*Conclusion:* Haaland deserves the Golden Boot or the Müller award, but not the Ballon d'Or. The latter award is meant for players who have made a significant impact on their club or country, beyond just statistics. Therefore, he didn't earn those trophies (the Treble) since he went missing; KDB carried him, and 90% of his goals were tap-ins, seriously even his "highlights" showed that when he was presented with the Gerd Müller trophy.
You keep on calling Argentina an inexperience team, which is heavily inaccurate. Sure, they have some young players, but then they have Di Maria, Lautaro Martinez, Emi Martinez, all players who were essential to the WC win. Besides, if what you said is true, Iniesta or Xavi deserved a Ballon d'Or for their performance and victory in 2010 WC. But no, Messi got it because of individual stats and more success on the club level.
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You seem to not understand what I'm saying: those two players, other than Di Maria, are inexperienced when it comes to the WORLD CUP, the biggest stage in football. The fact that they contributed to Argentina doesn't change that fact.
And simply the reason why Messi won the 2010 Ballon d'Or when Iniesta and Xavi were world champions was that, unlike Messi's Argentina and Modric's Croatia, there wasn't a single player you could say he alone carried Spain, and without whom the team wouldn't go anywhere. Simply put, Spain's team was stacked with prime Barca/Madrid players, and again, there wasn't a single player who outshone the others. This, combined with the shared votes among Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, and Casillas, resulted in no standout winner, even Xavi himself said it when asked why he or Iniesta didn't win it. In fact, the Ballon d'Or total votes for each of top 3 players were as follows:
1. Messi = 22.7% votes
2. Iniesta = 17.4% votes
3. Xavi = 16.5% votes
You can observe the closeness of the total votes, which reinforces the shared votes between those two players.
Couldn’t they make 1 extra ballon dor to make it fair if someone won the best league treble and the other world cup
Good analysis
Imo the only question left to ask is:
“Would Manchester City win the ucl if Haaland wasn’t there ?”
We will probably never find an answer to this question,some may argue and say that Haaland was invisible during the semi and the final match but I could simply answer that you cannot determine the outcome of these matches.I mean even the mere presence of Haaland on that team was a cause of huge fear amongst the opponent and a huge moral boost amongst Manchester City.
You should allow others to answer your question instead of doing so yourself, and yes, Manchester City would have still won the UCL and the treble without Haaland.
@@lionelnkwenti7384 How do you know lmao ?
@@lionelnkwenti7384So why have they failed to do so before Haaland arrived? Argentina won WC without Messi. City hasn't won a tremble without Haaland. If we go by simple minded generalizations then Haaland is more important then Messi is.
Generational Performer vs Seasonal Performance
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Messi deserved it and I don't think it was as close as people make it. Messi had a far better season as a player. He was the highest rated player in top 5 leagues, had the highest number of man of the matches, the only award that is based on individual performances. Haaland was a good striker. He did not iconic performances in the season except in a few matches, less MOMs and was statistically rated lower. In very aspect of the game, except for the number of goals scored, Messi had a better season.
Ah yes, haaland ghosts in big games but still has scored 5 goals against bayern, 6 goals against sevilla, 3 goals against united (derby), and many more
yeah and messi scores vs france,croatia,netherland and many more which is much harder,calm down bro no one can beat his records
@@SIWeR123messi scored pens against them and Croatia sucks
the indivual performances are a no-brainer for Messi. Haaland plays as a striker(and is phenomenal at that) but there are many more aspects of playing as a forward. I think the fact that Messi was also making plays, assisting, and making crucial passes all over the pitch is a major factor in him being an overall better "player". Other factors such as Haaland not registering a single goal or assist during all the semi-finals and finals, and the WC usually being prioritised for the Ballon d'or definitely played a role as well. Haaland definitely deserved the ballon d'or, no doubt about it, but not more than Messi this season.
Haaland still came 9th in the premier league for assist which is amazing for a striker and every game is important in football he turned up to all the big premier league games
But he was playing in the French league, haaland did it in prem
In 4 years there is 4 ucls but in 4 years there is one world cup so you could say
1 world cup =4 ucl
You are aware that there are triple the amount of players that have won a WC vs 4 UCL right? So that math doesn't make any sense
@@vx1762it isn’t just wining the World Cup is making one of the best campaigns ever and Messi did that wining the World Cup doing nothing isn’t worth nothing
3:15 actually, ghigga and jairzinho scored in every stage too
You are NOT right about fair play not being important. It's very important. The player that fouls brutally, cheats in other ways, playing selfishly and not for the team should not get the Ballon d'or. I think this is why Mbappe hasn't won a Ballon and most probably won't. His bad, selfish behaviour has made him unpopular. Pple vote. And they vote on the fair play criteria too.
I think de bruynye deserves as he set up so many goals
World cup he was bad
Both were incredible it was very close but messi wins slightly
crazy how he didnt mention how world cup was robbed obviously and messi past records dont even matter to the ballon dor of this year
Its based on voting, that should tell you what its truly about, my issue that, if ypu swap messi and haaland's achievements. I guarantee messi would have still won. Though i still fully acknowledge messi as the 🐐, and congratulate him on his success
I love that everyone says Messi rigs everything 😂
You have a chance to win the treble every season. You have a chance to win the world cup(providing your team is good enough to qualify) every 4 years….the World Cup is clear
He never won that fifa the best award
The World Cup is not a good tournament to base a ballon dor win on. It's 1 month of the year, you can only win it if you were born in a very small number of countries and almost all the games are against teams who may not even have all their players playing in a top league or even a top division. Argentina had one game where you could say the opposition was world class and that was the final.