Henry on who DESERVES the 2023 Ballon d'Or & why he never won one! | UCL Today | CBS Sports Golazo
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- Thierry Henry, Micah Richards and Jamie Carragher debate who is most deserving of the 2023 Ballon d'Or and discuss WHY Titi never won the personal award.
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That fact that Jamie was two spots behind Zidane is crazy in any football context
Real Madrid was shiet after Beckham arrived, they rise again since Bale and CR7 playing for Madrid
Not since Becks arrived, since Makelele left ;)
@@cameronpeterson5961 💯. Mak was the glue on the mufuka
Zidane was a choker that yr. Real didnt get La Liga and choke early in CL. Jamie created the greatest football game of all-time and beat the GOAT Milan team to take the entire CL. He deserves it. Its not like hes ahead of Zidane anyway, hes just listed.
I know, right? He's much better
Basically Henry should have won the ballon d’or he’s being so humble
Basically Henry is saying that Haland is get robbed
@@santoshmongar9357 Messi deserves it.
He was ROBBED in 2003
@@nostradamusus No he doesn't
You can see Henry reaction that’s he was robbed and Haaland get robbed too
Thierry Henry is one of those footballers you can’t hate. Bros so humble af.
Kate’s fiancee sure hates him
He wasn’t this humble when he peaked at arsenal
Lol he's humble but when it comes to cr7 he's a hater
@@faizankhalid3842 I’m not talking about that era. It’s 2000s. He was the best player in PL and he knew it. He got humbled by Messi when he was at Barcelona coz he met the best.
@faizankhalid3842 id say he has a tinge of that but not a lot. The only thing he said that id deem hateful even though i see his perspective due to his era. Is calling R9 the Real Ronaldo, as if CR7 isnt. Especially when Cristiano achieved all that and more than R9 was projected to achieve, but did not due to injuries etc
Henry deserved the Ballon D'or. I have never seen a complete striker like TT. He was an absolute beast during his prime..a phenomenon.
Ballon D'or is not the standard used to judge all time greats. Henry didn't win but he's much better than a lot of guys who've won it
Nedved, Shevchenko both unbelievable players but the years they won it ahead of TT was an absolute disgrace. TT was outperforming both of them in those season's clearly the best player on the planet. It was arguable between him and Ronaldinho the year he won it too - both had similar numbers, but Ronny winning the CL just put him ahead that season.
@@gladiatorscoops4907Dinho won the Ballon D'Or in 2005, but he won the UCL in 2006.
R9 was more complete, but Henry did it for more years
messi and modric is the only player to win this award without being the deserving winner. modric only won it because if they gave it to CR7 that year he would have gone 1 ahead of messi. its clear and obvious and no secret
I would love to see the 2020 winner to be presented to Lewi, at some point
I think they will do it at some point later on the years... just like how they gave Pele/Maradona ballon dors.
They will surely after his retirement to honour his whole career kinda thing
It should be Muller. Lewandowski had an immensely overrated season where he disappeared in nearly all big games.
@@101notfound17 he isn't important enough. If they wanted, they would have given him the 2020. It's insane how bandwagoners actually think he belongs there when for the large majority he was only known for being a slightly worse Nistelrooy (which he is).
Mate its time to get over it
*32 goals 28 assists*
Are man actually taking that in??
TT was robbed.
Football isn't stats, watch the actual games and the quality gap between Serie A and the EPL in 2003.
Nedvěd deserved that Ballon d'Or.
@@Wladislav - lol you are clueless.. henry was on another level.. he was definitely robbed
@Wladislav there wasn't much difference...between the two leagues...juventus didn't even win the champions league...they lost to ac Milan...English clubs were right up the with the best in uerope as they have always been
@@Wladislav I think it's pretty clear Nedved won it because of team success, not because of Serie A's quality. Juve won Serie A and Italian Super Cup and were runners up on penalties in the Champions League. In contrast, Arsenal only won the FA Cup that year. I strongly suspect if Arsenal's Invincibles season were a year earlier, Henry would've won Ballon d'Or.
@@UnathiNenete
There was. Manchester United were the only EPL club to even reach the quarter-finals that year.
The other clubs were
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Valencia
Juventus
AC Milan
Inter Milan
Ajax
AC Milan did win the Champions League, but Nedvěd didn't get to play in the final due to accumulated yellow cards.
Considering how it ended up being a penalty shootout, there is a good chance that if Nedvěd had played, Juventus would have won the final.
To be fair to Nedved, he was the best player in a team that won Serie A, probably the best league in the world at the time. Led Juventus to the Champions League final. Henry won the FA Cup w/ Arsenal. Both deserving of it
Nah Henry was robbed
Its not a team award mate
@@moz7777 that is true, so what do you think? Messi or haaland?
Forget 2003, it was 2004 where the real controversy lied.
@@vangledoshRVN outscored him and win player of the season didn't he?
The more I listen to Henry, the more impressive he is. Its a good balance of personalities. Love the show.
Scandalous that Harry Maguire is never spoken about for the ballon d’or
🤣💀
Fr he’s the real goat 😂
For real, all these players have only done it for one team, Maguire guided like 5 different teams to get wins over United within a month.
Fr gives contributions for both teams makes him remarkable
Respectfully he the opposite of ballon d'or. For some odd reason he did play well with England during the World Cup.
Henry is pure class
Sadly our record in the CL was so poor that Henry was often overlooked for big players at the European giants.
Blame Arsene for being extremely cheap. A little investment and they could have maybe won a few UCL.
@@nascimentoarantes Some good teams simply struggle in Europe. The very good Inter Milan of the latter 2000s famously disappointed year after year, until the summer of 2009 when Mourinho came and replaced around half the starting XI with Eto’o, Milito, Sneijder, Lucio, and Pandev. Or look at Guardiola’s first great City team of Aguero, Silva, Sterling, Sane, Fernandinho, Kompany, and Otamendi.
@@hitthurdeauxSpot on 👍
Ironically we knocked juve out the CL in 01/02 and 05/06 Henry scoring in 2 out of 4 games. Beat inter 5-1 in 03/04 Henry with 2 goals and 2 assists. Henry loved playing in Italy
@@JJones-oi3jcDon’t forget the hatrick against Roma in 02.
Thierry Henry and Ronaldinho are by far my favorite living football legends, they are the reason I fell in love with football in the first place, they are part of my childhood... Henry should have won at least one or two ballon d'or in the 2003 and 2004 seasons, he was so unique and underrated back then, he was almost unstoppable and genuinely a very good all-rounder authentic player. ☯️✌️
Same here.
TH14, R10, R9
same🥰
Henry was so humble here. Micah Richards reading some of his stats compared to Nedved and he didn't react to them at all.
Does Micah know that Nedved played CM? He should have compared Nedved's stats to Patrick Vieira's stats to get a grasp of how exceptional Pavel Nedved was in 2003.
did you even know where Nedved was playing during his career ? did you really expect to see goal stats there ? 🤡
No he didn't react cause he knew how dumb the comment was. Goals are not everything. And he is not even being compared to a striker, of course Henry will have better goalscoring stats. It's common sense nobody won a ballon d or for scoring 17 goals. Nedved contributed in other ways as well, and led his team to trophies.
Then by that same logic KDB and not Haaland should be considered for the trophy this year...thats what henry was pointing out...there is no consistency and its difficult to debate opinions which may change year on year@@kunalsingh4418
@@kunalsingh4418 only goals can win you the game bro. most important stat.
6:37🤣😂 what a moment!!! He deserves that💪🏾. The ultimate underdog
????
LMAO the most random fact was he and buffon are same age and born in the same day TIL
Deserve that? To be tied with Ronaldo while Ronaldo was like 18? XD
As an Arsenal fan since 2000 I still think Nedved deserved that Ballon D'or in 2003 because he was the motor of that Juve team. He was THE key player of the team that won Serie A, lead the team to the CL final which he was suspended for, and even got to the semi-finals in Euro 2004 with Czech Republic where he got injured. Before social media it wasn't just goals that determined the Ballon D'or.
and also at that time Serie A was the most competitive league in the world and not to mention Henry didn’t play well in the UCL which has always been a big factor on the award
@@rusty111fire agree
lol, Nedved didn’t deserve it. He didn’t even win UCL and didn’t make FIFA world player of the year podium. That year was Henry’s, he did with the FIFA confederations cup as best player.
Confederations Cup? 🤣 France was the only team that brought their best team for a pointless tournament haha.
@@EmraldoDaSilva spot on
When Kate spoke French theirry was ready to risk it all. ‘ say that again’ ‘ oh wow’ 😅🤣
Her pronunciation is really on point though. She has it all 😍
Ong😂😂😂
The fact that a mid 30s Messi is still to this day competing with a prime young Erling Haaland is just crazy.
He’s not though is he . One plays in MLS one plays in the premier league .
it's not even fair cuz Haaland can't compete with his national team and that's not his fault,messi had his time already, and this is coming from a man utd fan man
@@rocky6270 so a ronoldo fan
@@rocky6270 Why do y'all always support anyone against Messi except Ronaldo himself?
he is not competing. Its just the Media constantly pushing this short fraud as " still the best player" in the world...
Love this crew man🖤
At certain point they become serious and spit facts and next moment they laugh and entertains us🤘🏻
Nedved was a midfielder, Henry a striker. I guess that explains a lot of the difference in the stats 😅
How about 28 assists for a striker and 14 for an attacking midfielder?
Henry- 32 goals & 28 assists
Nedved- 17 goals & 14 assists
Looks like Henry was double in productivity.
@@nascimentoarantes let's see if I got this right. So, a midfielder that managed to get those pretty remarkable stats as the best player of the team that in that year had reached the UCL final (where he couldn't play), being probably the best player in what was arguably the toughest league in Europe at that time (3 Serie A team in the semifinals), being a key player that led his club to win that same league should have come second to the striker of a team that didn't make it through the second group stage of the UCL that year just based on the goals scored mostly in what at that time was an inferior league?
Isn't that what the golden boot is for? Who scores the most goals wins it, very simple.
The Balon d'or is supposed to be awarded to the best player, which in the end is an opinion and we can argue all day that Henry deserved it more than Nedved, but arguing that a striker is a better player compared to a midfielder just based on the goals and assists scored, I'm not sure it's fair neither makes much sense in my opinion, but who am I to judge 🤷♂
@@callejonization he spelled the key word which u disregarded and that is PRODUCTIVITY!
henry had nearly double the amount of nedved's assist and nedved played in a position that is ALL ABOUT PRODUCTIVITY!!!
insane stats by both but henry was a clear cut above nedved who he himself said he was shocked to win the trophy that day because he thought henry would have won it and even said henry deserved it!!! thats the man who won it by the way!
lets not pretend EPL wasnt as tough as serie A if not tougher bcz if i start giving names our teeth will drop come on...
do i also need to mention that the quality of the teamates matter? i shouldnt but seems like i should... the greatness of that arsenal back in the day comes 90% thanks to henry, they had pretty good players but nowhere near good enough, most of mega teams back then had AT LEAST 4-5 mega players, arsenal had 2
(1. henry, begkamp was at the end of his career, ashley cole who later on left and vieira who didnt get to play much with titi) fabregas and rosicky peaked by the time henry got a massive injury (2007) so he didnt got to play with their peaked versions and then he went to barca, same case with van persie
its even more impressive to achieve beyond world class stats, breaking a record in a team that doesnt provide the quality that other big teams do! (read that again)
the fact that nedved didnt get to play in the final that year is not an argument that favors him at all, its an absence you cant determine how a "ghost" would do in that game so that take is invalid and therefore dismissed...
no matter how we slice it in terms of productivity and while having the superior quality team nedved was FAR from providing assist at the level on henry did and the success of both teams should also include the involvement of their teams aswell and that juve was FLYING that year and yes while nedved was the driver the quality elevated his performance further, henry didnt had that priviledge and he still put some disgustingly high numbers... he broke an ultimate record that is matched by the one and only leo messi... its over
A respectful way of saying "I got robbed" 😄 But also, there was nuance in his response. For a player to win it, not only do they need to achieve great results but the stars need to align as well.
Henry is pure class. What a gentleman.
Henry is so generous with his praise and thoughtfulness
The biggest problem we have now is people just thinking about goals and assists for this award. It is about a player INFLUENCING success within their team, whichever way that is possible. Saying you think Henry should have won it in 2003 over Nedved just means you never watched Serie A or the Champions League that year where Nedved was fantastic and the best player in each of those competitions. It may have helped that there wasn't a major international competition that year which can sway voting but Nedved still deserved it.
Henry was best player in premier league and FIFA confederations cup by some distance. Champions league he wasn’t. So compare the overall body of work and individual output. No one was more deserving.
During those days serie a was considered better than premier league. And nedved scored 15 goals and 10 assists. Those are still to this day great numbers for a midfielder
@@nascimentoarantes confederations Cup literally doesn’t matter. Yes Henry was brilliant in 2003, but he failed in Europe while Nedved excelled. Meanwhile in the league Henry was the best player in the PL but lost the title and the golden boot; Nedved was arguably the best player in Serie A and won it. Just too much for Henry to overcome with better statistics and more eye catching attacking football.
@@hitthurdeaux this type of argument is why some thought Jorginho deserved balon d’or in 2021. I recall Arsenal smashing Inter Milan 5-1 at the San Siro in the early 00 and beating the Juve team that sent most players to the Italy World Cup winning squad. I also recall PL teams beating Italian teams so please spare me the BS. Henry deserved to win the Balon d’or ahead of Nedved and Shevchenko.
PS: confederations cup probably doesn’t matter because your country can never be in it. 😂😂😂
@@occelatus1063those days when Arsenal smashed Inter Milan 5-1 at the San Siro? You must be drunk. PL teams routinely beat Italian teams and vice Versa, I don’t know what you’re on about. By the way Arsenal also beat the Juve team that produced most of the Italy 06 World Cup squad.
Thierry Henry is one person i could listen to the entire day. This guy is just amazing.
True
Shoutout Thierry for mentioning Samuel Eto’o
Yeah while Etoo was NEVER amongst the best players bec his game didn't translate into total football.
But as a striker he was amongst the best.
@@Mercurial.definitely it was impossible to rate Eto above Ronaldihno........not forget Henry himself....for me Henry was above Eto even by 2006
Ye but eto never had a season where he could have won it
@@Mercurial.By that logic, Ronaldo shouldn't have won it after 2014 as, partly, because of his knee injury he became more and more of a poacher than a proper winger. Apart from the fact, that he never was a 'total footballer' if we're talking about creating chances for his teammates like Strikers like Henry or Kane are able to.
@@rod2274look at Eto'os 2005/06 stats ( when Cannavaro won it simply for being Italys captain when they won the world cup): 34 goals and 10 assist in 47 matches troughout all competitions (including managing to get Lehmann sent off in the UEFA CL final and scoring the equalizer). That year he definitely would've deserved to win it but because he didn't play in the WC he went unnoticed. If you're not from a big nation in most cases you won't get the recognition you deserve. Look at the disrespect Kaylor Navas got despite being one of THE best goalkeepers in the world at his prime. Eto'o definitely had seasons where he deserved the Balon d'Or especially the 2005/06 one.
Love this crew, Henry was amazing in this video
incredible to think, Alvarez had 2nd highest goals for Argentina in the wc and scored 2nd most goals for MC in the season, why he isn't in the debate. he won the treble and the wc,
Because you’re being purposefully controversial - the most important and influential player is of relevance. Alvarez had a fantastic season but in order to be in the debate, you have to be the ‘guy’. I’m sure you knew all this which is why I’m confused why you decided to point it out.
…If Belgium had won the WC then De Bruyne would’ve won it… but because of his team’s woeful performance, it negates his achievement at City. Haaland was an enigma because he performed wonderfully at City but needed more “special moments” to convince people
incredible to think that you would even come up with this question. its like you dont know anything about football at all
@YA-ye3el KDB deserved top 4-5 discussion though. He was sensational despite Belgium blowing their tournament.
@@Luso00_ he was 4th
Henry was the top goal scorer of the 00’s
He should of won the Ballon d’Or in 2003 and 2004
I am assuming you didn't actually want the full 90 minutes of the games that season. He was world class, but he ghosted in the big games. 0 G/A in all of the finals he appeared in that year. He was the best player in the world by far that year, but in the big moments, he ghosted. Just like Haaland this year. And the big games mean more than statpadding in the league.
@@kripxic7044
He scored and dominated vs the best teams in Europe when they were GREAT TEAMS not like this teams of today, soft and average quality.
Henry played against LEGENDS as himself was one while today you play vs tik tokers and IG models.
He has amongst the best ratio in big games whether it's PL or CL.
You been emotional with hatred bec ur favourite player wasn't even half the player Henry was.
Him and Messi are the only in modern HISTORY with 25&20 for a season 🤫
@@Mercurial.still ghosted the big games
He never deserved it over Ronaldinho, and Nedved was an immense presence for Juve in their CL final run. Meanwhile the "invincible" Arsenal were embarrassed in the last 16.
@@alphonseelric5722 you can make the same argument about Messi though, he did very little in the UCL during many of his balon dor winning years.
“You can’t debate opinions”. Bro that’s literally the only thing to debate
Thierry and Jamie are awesome together, great pairing, they have a lot of fun together
I love it that he mentioned Samuel Etoo
Thierry Henry should have at least 2 of these. Coming from a Chelsea fan since 1995.
Yes, the Ballon d'Or is a media award.
The Ballon d'Or winner is decided by 100 journalists from FIFA's 100 top-ranked member nations.
Each journalist makes their top five picks from the 30-man shortlist, with each ranking earning a different points value/number of votes.
First: Six points
Second: Four points
Third: Three points
Fourth: Two points
Fifth: One point
Along with national team captains and managers, who all vote for their friends and team mates or their players.
@@Alfie_1nah that doesn’t work in the ballon dor ,that works in fifa poty or fifa best award and uefa poty
@@101notfound17 No he's right. They do get a vote. And they absolutely are biased towards their teammates at club level. You can look at some previous votes, where people who played with Messi would put Messi, Suarez, Neymar #1 #2 #3 and not have ronaldo top 5 in a season he scored 50 goals for example haha. Then I'm sure the same is true of people that played w Ronaldo. It's a stupid award these days.
@@101notfound17In the past they did for the Ballon d’Or but rn not anymore. But in the latest FIFA’s Best Messi won by far at the votes of the National teams captains/managers.
@@jpa_fasty3997 lmfao that won't be a problem this season as nobody other than Ronaldo's own country mate and club mates will vote for him for this Ballon D'or 😂😂
I think that was a good response by Henry. You cant debate an opinion. ultimately it comes to that.
That fact that Jamie was two spots behind Zidane is crazy in any football context😏
Haaland deserves it this year, simple as that. As a messi fan and an arsenal fan, there is no doubt Haaland deserves it.
well too bad your opinions dont matter since you arent voting.
How Thierry didn't win that in 2003/2004. He was on 🔥 not being biased. He was exceptional tearing the premier League up.
Henry is such a real dude!!!
Henry respectfully saying the award doesn’t always go to the best player, it goes to the best storyline
I think he means, sometimes the consensus better player doesn't always win.
8 ballon d'ors is insane
It is unless politics comes into play like AGAIN for Messi 💰
@@Mercurial. still crying..... the man is fluid football but ...whatever makes you feel better!:)
Indeed, but i don't think he deserves 8, maybe 5
@@TheMapTimemessi before this comment:8 messi after this comment:8😂😂😂😂😂
@@derrickkinya Exactly. They should just limit ballon d'or at 3 per player. If they win ballon d'or hattrick award should be named something like GOAT D'or or Legendary D'or whatever 😂
When was the last time a world cup winner was awarded the Bdor Henry ? it was 17 years ago. If world cup performance is preferred over the Seasons, why there is a 17 year gap ? I am tired of football pundits under estimating Haaland's performance so that they can spit a 100 reasons to justify this Robbery. Apparently all those Messi fans who were saying it was his team mates, now asking where is Norway in the world cup ? Such Hypocrites. Apparently League 1 is now more important than the UCL.
TT has plenty of balandors in my heart ❤ , nothing will change that my King 👑!
I agree with Henry, he is so calssic and so honest and so goood!!!!!!!
Nedved was incredible. He would have single handed won the champions league final had he not been suspended. Tore madrid to shreds
Henry deserved it at least once
Imagine Owen and Sheva won it and not Titi who was 5 times the player they EVER were.
@@Mercurial.Shevchenko was better than Henry, a lot better actually
@@rossl5908
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
PAOLO CESARE MALDINI...and you forget the prem was weak early 2000s, AC Milan dominated yet the greatest of all time never won it...yet he did lift 5 of the big ones, and the one in 2003 aswell...
@@rossl5908 judging from that face now ive seen it all... AHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHAH
So lovely from Henry ❤
I think the focus should be on both the individual achievements and the collective achievements when deciding the winner. If the focus was only on collective achievements then Jorginho would have won it after winning the Euro, UCL and UEFA super cup or if it was based on only the individual performance the Lewa would have won it already.
People make a lot of confusion or, more simply, don't have a good memory. Nedved is a midfielder, more precisely a left wing at that time, and you can't compare scored goals between a midfielder and a striker (as instead is Henry). And at that time (season 2002-2003) Nedved carried Juventus to the Uefa Champions League final in Manchester vs Ac Milan. But for a yellow card got in the semifinal vs Real Madrid, he couldn't play the final. Nedved was also voted as best midfielder in 2003 by Uefa and best striker was voted Van Nistelrooy (who scored 12 goals in the Champions League 2002-2003, that are 14 considering Preliminary Round games). And talking to goals, in that season of Champions League Nedved scored 5 goals (that for a midfielder is a big number).
2002 France won the euros, that would be enough for Henry with his domestic stats as well.
@@GK-qc5ry No, 2002 was the World Cup not the Euro and France was last in its group stage (they did a bad world cup). France won the Euro in 2000, but we are talking about the season 2002-2003.
You say this yet Henry had more goals and assists than Nedved so that should be a cancellation on your first point.
@@DamianAntonio4126 Nedved was a midfielder. Del Piero and Trezeguet were supposed to score the goals, yet Nedved scored more than Trezeguet while mastering the midfield. He had an amazing season and definitely deserved it.
In 2003 Nedved dominated European football in every sense. He was the sensation of the game all round. Juventus won the double and were unlucky to lose UCL on penalties as they dominated European football. You couldn't give it to Henry for having won an FA cup and Arsenal not amounting to much that year. Henry deserved a Ballon d'Or but you couldn't give it to him over Nedved in 2003, period. PES gamers like me remember very well the demons of Niieved & Juve 2003.
That’s the problem with the award, we’re using team trophies to credit an individual trophy. The guy had more than DOUBLE Nedved’s goals AND assists
Balon d'or should be for the best player that year. Henry was by far the best player on the planet that year. The only player in history other than Messi to get 20+ goals and 20+ assists in a domestic season was Thierry in 2003.
Nedved was a midfielder not a striker, yet he had a strikers tally.
Team performance is important and standing out in big games when it matters. This is what football is about.
Many great players didn't receive a Ballon d'Or; Maldini, Raul, Del Piero, Deco, Totti, Pirlo etc.
I understand many of you are from Premier League but back in the day it wasn't where all the football furore was made. I myself hardly ever watched Premier League and I am not from any of the big football countries.
Paolo Maldini may say a word on that 2003 balon d'or that he should have got
Lmao Nedved wasn't even the best player in his own team.
Henry always hits the point ^^
If it was based on the biggest tournament, Andres Iniesta would have won the 2010 ballon D’or.
100%
Why, Iniesta wasnt even the best player of the tournament. He pretty much in the same boat as Ribbery, Neuer etc. Only there because his team won something major while noone in perticular stood out.
facts. or Sniejder since he won treble, lead netherlands to the final as the best player...but people forget.
So one tournament is more important than the results/consistency of a full season. Messi was the reason Argentina won that World Cup and was clutch throughout but haaland did have the better season all throughout.
Modric won for his wc performance. If balon d’or was simply for stats, messi would have 10+. Haaland doesn’t do enough in games to warrant a best player award. He has 5 touches a game.
Brother, it is how he did it. Haaland is simply a goal scorer with no individual brilliance. Talking about individual brilliance Messi could have won Balon d’or every year from 2009 to 2021. But they do consider trophies won sometimes. This time he won the World Cup by being absolutely brilliant.
Thierry should of won it 2003
Corruption. I think everybody agrees Henry was the best that year.
not just 2003 😂 i think 2002 and 2004 too
@@Jay-op4dv2002?? 😂😂😂 R9 won the world cup and Copa America before that clown
Henry was NEVER a big time player 😂😂😂
No he shouldn’t, Nedvěd was the better player that year
2003 and 2004 Henry should have won at least one of those years. And I think he was one goal away from winning in 2006 had Arsenal won the UCL.
Thierry is a role model, period.
Very little's been said about Mbappe's World Cup performance. He was arguably the single most influential player in that Final match.
The 2020 Balon Dor should be retroactively issued, Lewa deserved to be recognized for his year
Yeah he absolutely deserves it.
Ballon D'or is a beauty contest where winners are determined based on emotion, a lot of times players who deserve it miss out.
So the award should be about our favorite players, not the best ones??
@@velislavdamyanov3323it’s already about our favorite ones 😂 why do you think Messi is a favorite to win it
@@noyes88so you know football more than Henry and R9 who said Messi deserves to win😂
It is not quantifiable. A player like Haaland can score 50 goals and won't inspire or make kids and adults cry at the same time. A goal like Zidane's in the CL final vs Leverkusen was it, can inspire the next generation of players. Kids will play in the sun, rain and darkness until their mums come physically drag them off the field because of such a goal. So it is an emotional award. I don't remember the moment myself but it is said Nedved had a few games like that in Juventus' CL run that year (2003). And that's how he beat Henry to the award. But debate aside, any one saying Messi doesn't deserve this year's award by playing down captaining Argentina to the world cup and crucial goals at every stage (the goal against Mexico is what calmed team, they were getting nervous, a nervousness and impatience that loses you games), to argue he doesn't deserve it is in my opinion dishonest. I saw Batistuta cry that night of the WC final, in fact sob in happiness, he was a pundit but was sobbing in happiness. Only true football fans understand what winning a world cup means.
@@noyes88exactly
Gracious words are like a honeycomb, sweetness to the soul and health to the body.
Henry, an intelligent man.
Hallaand had a great season and Messi a good month and he’s getting it
Thats unfair. Messi is to old and play mls
Questioning Nedved winning using his goal and assist stats is the most basic level to go by. Nedved numbers were very good for position played and was also instrumental in Juve CL run to the final, Henry likely lost out because of Arsenal having bad CL that season. The political side and favoritism has mainly become an issue since the Messi/Ronaldo dominance. Nedved won by over 60 points, had over three times they amount of first places votes of Henry. 3 of the top 4 were from Serie A. Also can't be totally ignored that Italian football was still at the top level back then, that year CL semi final had 3 Italian teams.
spot on
Serie wasn’t as dominant in 2003 as it was before. Henry totally deserved it over Pavel
Paolo Maldini may see it differently...just sayin'
Lmao Nedved wasn't even the best player of his own team
His record versus nedved’s for that year is mad honestly. They look at stats more now.
It’s just general football journalists giving their general impression. And they were still following Italian football more than he prem in 2003.
What a proud moment for Jamie 😄
Messi was individually clearly the best player in 2016 and 2018, but CR7 and Modric won bcs they won the bigger trophies, so nobody can complain when Messi wins it this year. He already should have more than 7 Ballon d'Ors if the price would only be based on individual performance
Messi should have 10 Ballon D'or's minimum if the award was based on the best player & not team achievements
Messi was the best individually every year he played
@@DercudezAbsolutely
Clowns
Whaaaaaat??? My man I swear u guys messi lovers are something else?
Besides his goals, he got most dribbles, most assists, pre assists, through balls etc. (besides a Wc title which is mainly a team effort) Thats such more impact than a striker just his goals.
Talking bout being Robbed. Give some of cr7 his award to Iniesta. That man won the WC CL etc
And what about Nueur 2014. Who totally revolutionize the Gk post and won the Wc of course but didn’t he win it? NO so don’t talk about Messi. And plus Bayern went to 1/2 ucl that year too with Nueur.
Kdb got the mosts assists😂 mans said pre assist 💀💀 Messi robbing yet another award😂
The year Iniesta won the w/c its was given to messi not Ronaldo
It was messi that won that year lmao
WTF is pre assists? 😂😂😂
“You cant debate opinions” I think thats the only thing you can debate, Henry
Thanks, Henry. I was waiting for someone to mention Xavi and Iniesta. Messi winning the trophy in 2023 because of the World Cup means that Xavi and/or Iniesta were robbed in 2010. And if you claim that Messi won it in 2010 because of his club performance and goals that season (even though he didn't win the Champions League), then Halaand has been robbed in 2023 (after winning the treble and scoring 52 goals in total). All that said, Messi is truly a generational player. 👑
No, that’s not what he said. On the contrary, he is arguing against the nonsense of “being robed”. There are 100 journalists that voted freely. You can be in line with their opinions. But to say there was robbery is stupid. Xavi said it, Messi should win it every ear because he is the one that plays the game better than anyone. As simple as that.
Xavi and Iniesta are 2 people, and the golden ball can't be shared. That's the point
Xavi or Iniesta? Before you throw out your shitty comment, choose one of the two.
Messi in 2010 was in his prime, it would have been stupid to choose Iniesta or Xavi over him that year, no matter how many world cups they win
Ballon D'or is a popularity contest, not an actual trophy based on merit, nobody should take it seriously
Lmao is tht all your new excuse?
@@akiraaoiichigo it literally is
Agreed ...sure messi deserves it but it's just too inconsistent as an award it should be canceled because one day vini will out perform every 1 than halaand wins it because he won a fa cup and carbou cup of course my prediction is not to be taken seriously just an example as history has taught us the same thing
fr it has lost its credibility
@@LallyKing05 WHY???BECAUSE CR7 AND PAALAND IS SCORING PENS???STOP CRYING
Messi fans in 2010 said that no one should win it because of 8 games when Spain won but now want him to win it because he had good World Cup
He won a trophy with 3 different teams this year you forget that ? Or just salty Ronaldo isn’t even nominated
so your telling me haaland deserves to win it with his digusting final performances?💀💀💀
@@aminabasi1141 should you deserve it for getting 5 penalties?
@@twinz5694 Ronaldo fan talking about penalties when Ronaldo's only goal at the World Cup was a penalty
@@twinz5694Messis assists vs netherlands and croatia has more quality than 90% of haalands goals. You’re just here crying supporting anyone but messi because of your beloved camel. It’s embarrassing.
Oh i love Titi for always telling facts and truth always...
Rodri should be betting the Ballon D'or. Most important player in the best team in the world
Jamies was solid back in 2005
Henry words are true. Messi gonna win❤
another undeserved ballondr
If we are giving this award to the best player in the world Messi would have 12 balon d’or. Maybe we can let Haaland win this 1.
Lucky to have Mr Henry by your side, he provides so many insights
This was probably the best Titi show I've ever seen :D
32 goals and 28 assists 🎉🎉🎉
Carragher is so happy to be ahead of Ronaldo in 2005😂🔥
Wasn't Cristiano 18 then?
@@zeo4481 yes 😅
Cristiano won Ballon D'or in 2013 being trophyless over Ribery with treble so Messi with all timer World Cup win and alright season in Paris is definitely deserved win.
pessi robbed lewa vvd iniesta and sneijder
@@mr-ov5gtBruh what?? 😂😂 You don't even know what you talking about just listing players your heard on the media bandwagon..Why do you think they deserved it more than Messi?? 😂😂
If Ballon d'Ors were true in Individual performances, Messi should have won from 2009 to 2021 and 2023 😂😂
@@Triple_X_X stat padding against relegation fodders don't make you the best messi g/a contributed 0 to major trophies in those yr biased pessi rider
@@mr-ov5gt ahh yes you are absolutely right if you consider Real Madrid, Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United and many more relegation teams.
@@mr-ov5gtdod you want him to stat-pad against bottom teams like Arsenal, werewolves, Luton and Sheffield Sunday or Monday or whatever they are called ?? 😂😂
could listen to henry all day. pure class. he said it best: players with ballon d'or in mind FIRST.. have a questionable mindset (at best).
Henry was spitting straight facts
Respect Michael Owen for winning it, he was incredible as a young talent. He scored a hat-trick away to Germany, helped Liverpool win the F.A Cup, League Cup, Super Cup, Charity Shield and Europa League. He was Golden Boot winner, what a crazy talent he was at such a young age. Last English Player to win it.
Was Owen better than Rooney?
WC comes once every 4 years, ballondor and champions league is every single year
WC year is always a special year
Yup
Treble is even rarer 🤷🏽♂️
@@AstroSully World Cup is more important 🤷♂
@@user-ir2ox2if2p I’ll go with the achievement which is rarer
8 games shouldn’t be more important than a whole season though. Messi got stats in the French league which is regarded as the worst out of the top 5 and I think might have even gone down to the sixth best league based on statistics. Haaland should have won it this year and if Ronaldo was still in Europe and had Haalands stats this season then there’s a high chance he would have won it.
All about this award is PEOPLE OPINION love that statement from HENRY
You can’t debate opinions. Brilliant.
As much as an all time season by a forward is hard to pass up for the Balon D'Or, Nedved was amazing for Juventus and took a team that lost Zidane 2 seasons prior to the UCL final (though he missed the final through suspension) and to a Serie A title (well before Juve's dominance of Serie A). He played midfielder so any stat comparison in terms of goal involvements is pointless.
Henry had remarkable stats, but he only won the FA Cup. I DON'T think its fair to put so much weight on team awards. A striker hitting 20 goals and 20 assists in the league for the first time in history is deserving of an individual award, but I must confess the Balon D'Or has consistently rated success in Europe and in your domestic leagues as extremely important.
Good point on the stat comparisons and the different positions.
I don't get the argument of having to win the big trophies to win the Ballon d'or when speaking about Henry not winning in 2003. Figo in 2000 didn't win any trophies, and Rivaldo in 1999 only won La Liga.
You're right Figo didn't win any trophies with Barcelona in 2000, but it was either Figo or Zidane that was player of the tournament at the Euros. Rivaldo was player of the tournament at 1999 Copa America.
I love Henry being quietly amazed by Kate's French at the end there 😅
7:28 - 7:47. 😂😂😂 this exchange is hilarious to me. “ Ohh worw, say it agen!” & another “OHH WORW”
Julian Alvarez won the World Cup and the treble so why isn’t his name in the running? Just goes to show how football is all about image.
"Anyone but Messi please I beg you"
Ignorant comment and perfect example of how all you Ronaldo fans are trying to make it seem like Messi is robbing this award bc yall hate him. Really? Julian Alvarez? Hes elite for sure but he wasnt even a starter for Man City in the Prem or CL and wasnt even top three player for Argentina let alone best young player on his team!(enzo won best young player). Sure, maybe KDB, Rodri, Mbappe and Haaland all have good cases to win the award, but messi is not robbing nobody. Multiple people can be deserving of an award but unfortunately one can only win. Its not that Messi just won the world cup, he won the world cup AND had an all time campaign. He was undoubtedly the best player in the biggest tournament on earth and if you actually watched Argentina/PSG play youd see who the driving force of the attack is. Hes a creator/playmaker and a goal scorer
You're coping so hard bro, you don't believe that yourself
Messi was player of the tournament, Alvarez wasn’t
@@jandregarcia6434 Messi also won a domestic double in France which gives him another buffer to win it. He should win it, but I'm happy as long as it's him or Haaland. Also the best player for city was De Bruyne and the shared 2nd place from city is Haaland and Rodri. If it doesn't go to Haaland or Messi it should be KDB.
06:37 Carragher's reaction is priceless. 😄
And he didn’t even win a single one so he can’t even talk.
Favorite striker of all time. I won't say best, just favorite.
Thierry Henry is humble
When KDB wasn't injured, I was furious about him not being in the conversation. If he was still fit, I bet no one would even consider him. Ridiculous.
Agreed. He was City's best player. But the Ballon d'Or is a popularity contest and those who score goals are just more popular. It is what it is.
KDB?? 😂 for what?? He just gives out great passes then go into hiding..Do you even know what best player means?!
@@ImaybeNormalThere is a player that can both be a playmaker and a goalscorer, is overall a complete player and is levels above KDB
shock. nobody really considers midfielders unless you win a worldcup. it's always goals based. always. van dijk had the highest peak a defender could have in football and he didn't get anywhere near winning it.
Lmao😂
He was complaining through out the worldcup😂
Xavi and Iniesta dominated at international level and also club level but never got individual recognition for it. 😔
Finally someone said it. These guys haven’t got the balls to say the truth
Because in every season Messi was the best individual my if this award was individually Messi would have won 10+ balon dors
During Henry era there were alot of best players guys remember that though he was among them
Her french has my heart
It’s not just the fact Messi won the WC, he also set the tournament alight with the best performances in the competition
Why is everyone so fixated on the world cup? It should always win the best player of the whole season and that was Haaland. In 2014 Messi made it to the final in the WC and Ronaldo didn't make it out of the group stage but he won the UCL. Guess who won the ballon for, Ronaldo
Name one Messi goal that shook everyone in the WC? I only remember him scoring penalties. Mbappe was the man of the whole tournament with his impressive performance in the finals, its not even close.
@@xanjo772there were 2-3 good goals but apart from that I don't think he contributed alot. And if world Cup is the deciding factor, give it to emi martinez he was the reason they won 🤷♀️
"most pens in WC history" wow what a performance
@@xanjo772go take your medicine bro
Hmm, I don't trust the golden ball anymore. Seems a little weird now. Thierry is right, there's a weird metric used because if Messi wins this season, then Iniesta or Xavi should've won at least 1 during their time.
Also surprised lewandowski didn't win. Thought he had one from his incredible season.
Out of Iniesta, Xavi and Messi, only Messi won the World Cup and the WC golden ball in the same campaign.
While you could argue that Iniesta/Xavi should've won at least in their time, they shouldn't have won it over Messi.
Alvarez:
-World Cup (scores more in-play goals than Messi and 3rd in golden boot)
-UEFA Champions League
-English Premier League
-English FA Cup
*crickets*
Henry summarises it all.
This crew is the best in the business.