Honda's History Of Leaving Formula 1 & Why It Matters This Time
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- Formula 1 is set to lose another engine for 2022. But why is Honda leaving this time? Have they done this before? Why? Does this one mean more? What are Red Bull's Options? Get all those answers in this video. Subscribe if I earned it for more unbiased F1 Content: bit.ly/CYF1Sub
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Instant like. I’m new to your channel. Great job with the editing. Love the pictures that go along with the story, it brings back memories. Keep up the great work yankee
Most likely rb go to renault again, until they could find a new manufacturer to supply their pu like porsche or toyota
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You have a gift for journalism. I'd love to see a video of your
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I seem to remember suppliers dropping out in droves before major recessions. They see it coming. Toyota was late on the hammer drop. Renault wasn't. Ford wasn't. Honda wasn't last time. The American auto market is what drives manufactures to compete. Renault had the EU market cornered. Honda is an American manufacture when it comes to $$$$$. The American market is collapsing.
Crap I am with you on the proposal of exotic fuels. Have you ever been to an F1 race in the early 90s when they were running supreme fuels. You could actually smell the difference in cars as they went by. That was when F1 live was a sensation for the eyes, ears, and nose. How I miss those days. The Ferrari 412T2 OMG. You could actually feel it coming up the straight in Montreal vibrating your seat. Every time all four wheels ran over the asphalt crack repair tar, it made this sound. It wasn't a thud! thud!. It was SNAP! I remember all the senses as if I were blind and had all of my other senses strengthened acutely. What I would give to watch them again. They run at Mosport and Spa from time to time. I think I'm taking a trip.
Wouldn't it be funny if Honda sold it's F1 engine facilities to Brawn for $1 and then Brawn Motors made a championship winning engine? Happened before, could happen again :)
hahah omg. only thing that would make me happier is if they sold it to like mclaren to spite Alonso. I love pettiness in motorsports haha
@@CYMotorsport" GP2 engine...GP2 ENGINE !"
@@CYMotorsport I think , in some ways, Marko, Horner and Verstappen, got the same medicine from Honda than they applied to Renault. I mean they behaved nasty with the french manufacturer and Verstappen was vocal everytime he had a broken PU but everyone knew why he was so open aggressive ... he was being used by Marko to burn bridges with Renault ...knowing that they had Honda up their sleeves........Now Honda left and they are out in the cold with no plan B ...unless FIA forces Renault to provide a PU to RB....that will be interesting and also hilarious ha ha ha ... And..while all this shit is happening arrogant Max is waiting for being WDC and break some records ...Sorry Max you are fucked at the moment (don even dream about making a phone call to John Camillieri.....he has also shut Ferrari's doors to you after you ...openly called them cheaters....you were right mate..... but also you must learn to be more cautious when opening your fucking mouth :)
it wasn't a honda engine that brawn had, it was a Mercedes one
@@dgpfproducoes6467 He probably meant the Honda F1 team that Ross Brawn bought for 1$
Dutchman here. As to Verstappen, well he tends to say a lot more to Dutch media than English speaking media. I suspect he harbours some distrust against the English speaking media and I can't blame him. Now Dutch coverage often is absolutely terrible, but we do get some additional things out of him. What really seems to have bugged him about Renault and what he likes about Honda are the details. Verstappen instantly notices small errors in engine mappings and he doesn't like it at all. The Renault seems to have had a lot of those issues over the years. One of the first ways he described the Honda was more along the lines of the 2015 Ferrari he used for a few races in Toro Rosso. Quite simply smoother. Now Honda does have mapping issues on Friday, manly a small delay between applying throttle and pick up of that command, but Honda usually fixes it by Saturday. If not, well you will hear it on the radio during the race. He is not happy, even if it costs him just 0,1s a lap.
Another thing he likes is the technical quality of the Honda PU's. They come pre assembled, nicely packaged etc and he likes that. The Renault's usually came in parts to be assembled at the track and stuff just went wrong. Once Horner actually had to carry an additional MGU-K in his luggage on the plane, another time they got a brand new PU which turned out to have a broken crankshaft right out of the factory etc. Max doesn't really have that much of a poker face, and when he talks about these things, it is very clear what he thinks. I doubt he wants to go back to Renault.
I suspect moves might already being made. Verstappen has his own management structure unlike other Red Bull drivers. His dad plays "bad cop", Max usually plays "good cop" and in the background you have his manager, Raymond Vermeulen who does the business dealing in the background, but in the end Max has full control. It is known that Jos Verstappen cultivates a relation with Toto Wolff and it seems he also has been doing that with the new Daimler CEO Ola Källenius. I have no clue who Vermeulen talks to and that is probably for a reason. Max, well he had the choice between Red Bull and Mercedes back in 2014 and choose Red Bull because Marko offered him that Toro Rosso seat, but I can't remember a single instance where Max did anything to not keep his options with Mercedes open. On the flip side, Toto Wolff also still wants him and seems to see in him the perfect replacement for Hamilton.
If Mercedes commits fully to beyond 2021 with maximum allowed resources, I kinda see Verstappen replacing Hamilton. Now Verstappen does feel very comfortable in the team, but without an competitive engine, I think he will have to leave. Red Bull will have to offer something special to keep him around, and if they do, I suspect he will stay. That would be securing a Mercedes PU deal or taking over the Honda PU. The second option might be possible seeing as Mario Illien has been heavily linked to Red Bull and Andy Cowell is also on the market and he turned Ferrari down. On top of that the development restrictions might make it financially feasible if the staring package of 2021 is good enough. Honda said that they will still invest in making the 2021 PU good.
My other alternative scenario is exactly what mclaren did with Porsche. They could even tag badge the Honda and kick them the cash with out the risk. Red Bull have committed to the sport. And the team isn’t the same without max. I totally can see what you’re saying about Dutch media. They are going to have to break him off something nice. I also could see a Merc engine happening on the deal that max stays I think Merc has enough belief in Hamilton to win next year and if he does he may retire. A Red Bull chassis with a Merc engine without Hamilton plus AC and AN on the technical side , honestly, I take the Red Bull. All interesting scenarios! Thank you for all that awesome info, Daniël!
Well Honda also said that they will be happy to help RB and AT beyond 2021 in everything they need...
I can already see that Honda PU being taken by either RB or an independent engine manufacturer...
Cozzeh! Why not? Newey is close to them due to the Valkyrie, this would be an awesome scenario
Ultra 2000 I actually think Ford might play ball
Toto Wolff have in more then one occasion said they will not supply Red Bull with engines, both because they don’t want to supply a direct competitor for the championship and they also claim that supplying another team would give them capacity issues. Not supplying them with an engine also make it a little more plausible for Max to join Mercedes. All of this together with the fact that Cyril at Renault was quoted that Red Bull had not contacted them makes me think they are seriously thinking of taking over the development of the Honda engine with Mugen.
Ahh thx for the details. Mercedes are probably pending between max, charles and george.
Toyota to rb? I mean sure hybrid in lmp1 and hybrid in f1 are very different, but I think they could have done it
I agree. it makes you think why hasn't it happened? they must see a shite return on investment bc they are prime position for it
Good idea
Yeah great idea for toyota to redeem themselves and have actual competition. But guess not.
@@CYMotorsport yea financially, I think they better invest in something like formula e which many of manufacturers participate in formula e
@@CYMotorsport Toyota would rather flop on their own terms than succeed in partnership with someone else
Legit sad they are leaving, it was promising, but unfortunately, money is the reign
Money rules all in sports... Especially motorsports.
any other time and it could be glorious. They have a habit of leaving on a relative high. They seem to always nail it though
Nothing to do with money honda can't be seen in F1 when they've committed to carbon net zero.
The rumor is that Horner and Marko went to Mateschitz and are trying to get Red Bull to sign off on buying the IP of the Honda Engine and building it as their own badged as Mugen. Apparently since Honda has stated they are fine with supporting the team after 2021 and they feel that they could make the major investment and become a proper works team by themselves
That would be major
Mugen would be the best results... Except Honda itself changes it's mind and decides to stay.
That is the same way I’ve interpreted the rumours, I have no clue why some people, including the owner of this channel, put Mercedes as an scenario when they have said no already.
It's fascinating to come to this video after the recent news that Red Bull seem to be buying the Honda facilities and essentially becoming their own PU supplier. Granted, this was mostly influenced by the securing of an engine freeze to 2025, which itself was mainly triggered by Honda leaving, but it's still interesting to see the twists and turns that come with this sport, and that sometimes the least likely option is what actually ends up happening.
F1 really needs to make it easier for new manufacturers to come into the sport. If it can't do this, then the sport will not be sustainable. The cost cap is a really good step in the right direction, but the new engine regulations in 2025 will be huge. If they get in perfect, F1 will have new life, will remain the pinnacle and be able to attract new manufacturers like Audi or Porsche. If they don't get it right, that may be the nail in the coffin and one of their few manufacturers may want to leave, and the sport is unlikely to survive with two manufacturers.
Audi and Porsche won't come into the sport as long as Mercedes is so completely dominant.
@@brooksman10 Also Volkswagen AG (the parent company of Audi and Porsche) has essentially pulled out its manufactuerer support of all ICE-powered series - this includes WTCR (even though the works thing is bit vague), WEC and DTM
only 3 engine constructors in F1, this marks the end and the failure of hybrid era, there has never been only 3 engine constructors in f1, companies are afraid to buy a seat in F1 because there is no competition, there is no hope for hybrids no more
@@gastonhitw720 at this point, either F1 went the way of F2 and making everyone pissed in the process, or the way of Indycar except each team build their own chassis.
Easier is one thing but giving them a reason to enter in the first place is another.
Great video. Japanese friend of my commented to me that “everyone knew” Honda was going to pull out, which left me a bit perplexed given it seemed a surprise to most western media.
The 2050 carbon neutrality is a face saving excuse for the failure of their program. In the video you rightly say that Honda has done relatively well, which I agree with, but as a corporate strategy, it’s been a huge waste of money given the modest PR gains and the low transferability of the tech into production cars.
the same way of how here in Maranello everybody knew Ferrari wouldn't be able to win a championship before 2022.
The carbon argument is clearly B/S as Honda will still be racing internal combustion engines (Indy, MotoGP, etc., etc.).
You're the best - might sound odd but not only an F1 fan - but a big fan of your editing, I swing by here to look into techniques too for my own videos.
keep any feedback coming! I do the same thing. my old videos will make you laugh haha the day I started listening to you all more, was the day people started to notice my style cut through. I have zero editing background, I'm just meticulous so I'm positive you can do much better than I can.
Man, coming from a 40 year old life long F1 fan, you have the best informative and non hyped videos on YT. Im so impressed. I like your style. Thank you and start up a patreon so we can help support your talent!
Scenario 5, Honda sells the IP to Red Bull and Red Bull contracts engine builders like Cosworth and Judd to build, maintain, and hopefully improve the Honda-designed power unit. Andy Cowell is now available to help improve the package.
What will RBR do for power
Dream team: Koneigsegg
Probable: Mugen, Cosworth
What will actually happen: Horner comes crawling back to Cyril with his tail between his legs
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Hey man I really appreciate and enjoy your content. I'm a Canadian new to F1 since the Netflix show binge I did last year... So it's really cool to get the detailed information.
Eyyyy we saw you on donut media I always watch ur video at my midday breaks :) Been here since the early days you're growing well!
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Always great content. Your channel is so much more informative and polished than all other F1 channels. Thanks!
CY...Your videos continue to be the class of the field. Excellent historical perspective, solid racing analysis and of course P1 level editing. Thanks for this video!
thanks for checking it out! means a lot to have your free time spent here with me
One question: I only just recently subbed to this channel and have been enjoying the doccies on F1 especially the one on Michael vs Mika, but what I want to know is when will do the episode on Fernando Alonso's 2 year reign at Renault bc I can't find it on your channel unless I'm blind? Don't want to be demanding, I just like your content?
really respect how well researched your videos always are your passion for F1 is infectious
A video on Red Bull second drivers might be really good, seeing how they've been treated over the years.
It’s a fun topic but super tough to tell. I kinda touch on it in tomorrow’s video and did a bit in the Sainz video. There wasn’t much reaction to carlos but there might for this next one in which case I’ll consider it more seriously
Well Nick, it is now July 2022, and rumour has it that Honda wants back in F1, personally as a long time supporter of Honda as a supplier and a Constructor, what are your current thoughts on the future of Honda in F1?
I think if F1 wants to be more sustainable they need to make the engines simpler and start with making sustainable fuels. I think ultimately simpler (cheaper) engines with the addition of new fuels would be way more interesting for more automotive companies even in the VW group.
I heard that some rumors about Honda helping RB on the engine supply problem by using Mugen
My opinion is it costs to much money and probably doesn't help there on road car programs. If there staying in indy kinda says something. Even though indy is under Honda America and F1 is under Japan. I'll probably get bashed but the F1 engine is to advanced for anyone to want to make a investment in it. (Manufacturers) F1 is probably the only motor sport that you probably couldn't build a engine in your garage. It's kinda sad that F1 is so determined by the engine most of the time. Besides drag racing most other motor sports engines are basically the same power.
check check and check again! actually thought of you on the short Mugen reference when Honda supplied Jordan before their 2000 return haha
The editing and renderings in this video is simply amazing. Bravou, i enjoyed it very much
DUDE THE RENDERS KILLED ME THIS TIME. idk why haha youtube hates that I upload animation the maintain 4k resolution throughout. I think it drains server time so I get flagged a lot. They can suck it up - you guys deserve the best! or atleast the best I can manage haha
CrankyYankeeF1 Thank you for your efforts! Honestly we come here for the quality commentary and analysis, but the editing and graphics makes your videos super professional
You’ve made getting into F1 really easy! Your history lessons are A1
That was interesting, I’m a mechanic at the oldest Honda motorcycle dealership here on Long Island, Honda is clearly the best, but for the record I race a Yamaha
HOW DARE YOU hahah
CrankyYankeeF1 lmao
Leaving the link to download the FIA regs for myself? No one had ever cared that much for me 🥺
I'm notoriously very literal with regs and readings from the FIA. it's only fair I make it as easy as possible for you to get your hands on them and I encourage you to wield like a weapon challenging every single thing they do haha
Dude, your videos are amazing. Your research and approach is wonderful.
fine tuning thanks to listening to you all. thank you for your feedback and support nick
I'm saddened that Honda is leaving again with them being one of my favorite manufacturers😢😢😢😢😢
Great video with some awesome insights man!
Cranky I’m in the US too go to sleep it’s passed your bedtime
hahah I don't sleep. I just write baby !
F1 shot itself in the foot by not changing the engine regulations for 2022, even Aston Martin was betting on the change to enter with Redbull before pulled out and get purchased by Lawrence Stroll.
I TOTALLY agree with you. Look at Koeningsegg, they are creating the next generation 4-seater supercar with a combination of electric/ethanol energy, and they will reach 1000 km with that. Zero carbon imprint. Combustion engine saved. Excitement retained. YES CYF1, I TOTALLY SUPERAGREE
Ethanol is an additive to regular gasoline right? Bio ethanol will put a massive burden on food production. I don't one supercar manufacturer will turn the tide too.
This video was outdated already when it was uploaded. Toto Wolff have said several times that Mercedes will not work with a team that is their direct competitor for the championship and that they do not have capacity to supply another team. cyril abiteboul was quotes that there has been no contact between Red Bull and Renault about this a few days ago. At this point your “near impossible” seems the most likely scenario and Mercedes the least likely.
Well you’d be wrong on all fronts. As for Merc, well, this is F1. They have commented on this PLENTY of times. To suggest this is the first time Toto has commented on that seems like you went out of your way to misrepresent that haha. His comments were the typical response. Kinda like saying he has no intention or interest with Verstappen bc he just made a public comment about it haha.
And Cyril commented on it as I literally quoted. Not to mention I showed You the actual regulation that they don’t have a choice regardless if Red Bull don’t secure power. And even made it available for you. What more can I do haha
There’s is ZERO chance a totally new supplier enters. That much is evident. They COULD buy operations I suppose but that’s not a new supplier at all. It’s just a delayed circumstance.
Hey i was wondering if you could do a video on the 6 wheeled f1 era and why they tried it and why its illegal in f1 now? Theres not much on youtube about them. Think it would be cool cause your videos are awesome.
easily among the best f1 channels on youtube. hope you will soon have many more subscribers as that would be well deserved
It’s all good man. I stopped caring about numbers after like 200 subs haha it’s way easier to stay motivated and make you all good stuff. Much more on the way !
@@CYMotorsport Healthy attitude - sounds good. Greetings from Germany. F1 is pretty big here as you will know. Especially next year when Mick gets started will be crazy.
Brilliant video again 👍
Honestly. Love your content! By far my favourite F1 commentator. Another awesome vid. Please keep them coming
Can’t stop won’t stop baby! Thanks for the support Andrew!
The American in me wants them to see if Ford will make a come back with budget caps it’s more possible than in previous years. But the realist in me says they will go back to a Renault or Ferrari PU.
Ferrari would never supply a direct rival like RB
@@lucasjohansson2158 I don’t really disagree with you. But I think them getting a Merc engine is a longer shot. Because Merc won’t want to supply a front running competitor and I don’t see Horner ever coming to Merc for anything. I at least feel like he’ll try to talk with Ferrari.
great video as always.
You know you really got the real analysis when you put out a video. Great job as always. It's a shame that no VW backed company (Audi/Porsche/Bugatti etc) is allowed to partake in non-electric motorsports after the whole scandal. A Red Bull Porsche or Red Bull Audi could bring an interesting German v German engine rivalry.
@@MeatyPotatoCactus they are but as far as I know they'll have to leave the sport till 2022
I love your content. I am a new f1 fan, since last summer. Your content makes it even more fun and definitely more interesting. Thank you so much!
That’s all I could ever ask for really. So glad to hear!
Full synthetic fuel would be a major step towards solving the environmental problem, but I doubt companies like petronas and shell would agree on that.
yep - there's no way haha Shell and Petro are so powerful i dont think ppl realize it
Excelent videos 👍🏻
Thanks Pepe! More coming
Love the new backdrop Cranky!
Hey Yankee....why you so cranky?? Nice job as always
If Redbull decides to buy Honda's engine program and then can come to an agreement with Honda about it then I think scenario 4 is the most likely to happen considering there's already a bunch of rumors going around about this.
This goes with a trend in Japan automakers’ projects: Hydrogen. I think they want to have the monopoly of hydrogen cars. It’s not just Honda, Airbus is also jumping into the hydrogen-powered aircraft concept.
yep bingo I think they thought it maybe had a chance but slowed a bit
I guess it was the near impossible option. Only time tells all
With such few engine suppliers, it's almost as though we are working toward a 1 engine supplier grid, or more likely 2. Renault renaming to Alpine might be the start of an exit from the grid? Ferrari have gone backward in their engine design.
there's never been less than 3 ever. I highly doubt they'd let it happen. i wonder what the talks are behind the scenes
I'm late watching this, but at the time I felt like the only option for RB was their own PU/3rd party engine supplier. After what happend with RB and Renault, Max wouldn't stick around for more years of Renault. In the end im glad they did RBPT with help from Honda, it means Max has reason to stay. Would be very different if we were in a world were Max was on the look for a team with Charles in Ferrari and George in a Mercedes.
Excellent video mate, let's hope the new price cap encourages new manufacturers to get involved with F1;
excited to see it all play out!
There are some rumours that Horner and Marko were somewhere (i don't remember exactly, but maybe it was were the Redbull big boss lives?) and they we're possibly in talks to buy the Honda F1 engine division and become a manufacturer
Redbull needs to build its own engine. Until then it’s never going to be in a class with Merc Ferrari and Renault.
You want to fly, build your own goddamn engine.
they can keep being feed fish or just teach themselves how to fish properly. atleast buy out facilities and badge engines with your sponsor's name
Great video
Glad you enjoyed Bleue!
when these engines were introduced, every formula1 fan thought there could be more engine suppliers but these engines are too big investment for the companies and these engines have low potential in road car side or any other potential out side of formula1. There should be some serious changes in engine regulations and fuel used for the powering engines. I think Max would stay with team because redbull can give Max the championship winning car if they get their engine partner which can give power required to win. I think redbull would close deal with renault.
bingo! the gap to the best is too great for anyone to justify it. fuel seems like SUCH a good solution but i'm just some bloke. hopefully they listen to us. I agree with your last statement on red bull too
I saw you the yesterday on someone else's video!
welcome David! nolan is a good dude i bet you saw me there
@@CYMotorsport
Yeah, that was it! Glad you're getting your name out there! And I hope u get a lot more subs because of it!
When Tesla made the first electronic car, it made racing irrelevant for road car development. This broke the need (or excuse) for a manufacturer to invest in racing as a way to improve their road cars
Tesla did not make the first electric car. A quick Google please.
GloomGaiGar I said electronic car not electric. Tesla made the car like a computer, battery and electronics came first, mechanical parts second.
Great video bud! In answer to your question of will Max go? For me 100% yes, hes tried the RedBull programme and although becoming the 2nd best constructor with RedBull, they haven't even given him a sniff of a world title. Next move will be a big decision and I reckon Mercedes.
at some point something has to give right?
@@CYMotorsport Absolutely does! And I think it will be difficult to persuade Max in a future without Honda
Expensive Pinnacle of Motor Sport vs Entertaining affordable Motor Sport
Shite return on Manufacture investment vs Outstanding return on Manufacture investment.
F1 is in a Crisis not only is Honda going, but no other manufacturer is also looking to join.
FE is free. Get going.
I think the main aspect that divides F1 from other (fossil-based) motorsports is development vs. marketing. Indycar and others don't require aggressive development with all costs that brings, while F1 does. Hence, their statement is consistent: they don't want to pour money into developing an F1 engine. But they can still remain in indy for marketing purposes.
Cyril must be laughing his head off...
haha probably LOVING this
The wait is over.
Thanx Cranky 😊👍❤️
be back soon!
Watched after red Bull power trains was announced, funny how the least likely scenario happens
Hi! I love your videos, but I can't help to think that you maybe should do another 1 or 2 rounds of revision on the script. I think it would be possible to reduce the video by 1 or 2 minutes without losing any info.
specifically what? I can speak to what would be lost in those moments. each sentence is built to serve as an argument in the structure of the video. not to mention, another round or two is another day or two or editing. you have to remember, I'm ALWAYS on the clock. many out there, 80% or more in fact, aren't subscribed. so people watched dozens of videos missing the point of how they can help the channel grow. until I have a much larger audience, I can't spend endless time making something negligibly better. Even me the perfectionist knows that haha
Curious as a new fan, with the upcoming financial regs in F1, and rising viewership (at least in the us) wouldnt F1 be at least a bit more attractive to enter for another PU manufacturer?
One thing this saga has shown us, is how much denial most F1 fans are about F1's health. How little they know about the workings of F1. And how little they know about the automotive industry and it's future.
Two examples from this very video. A lot of Honda's racing involvement including its Indy car program are from a separate division to it's F1 program.
And signing the concord agreement is not a commitment to stay within the sport.
I hate comments like this. Bc you lack the self awareness to even entertain how you could be wrong. I guess bc you thought no one would fact check you but I’ll discourage that thinking with a straight forward reply:
1. No one is confused Honda’s internal org that handles Indy is not the same internal org that handles F1. If that confused you then you’d have to think f1 is Indy. That’s like thinking Nike running shoes and Nike cleats are the same thing run by the same teams with the same objectives. Have you met someone that thinks this?
That wasn’t even the close to the point that was made in the video . But that was so obvious you either weren’t paying attention or went out of your way to mess that up.
2. There’s literally so many things wrong with your second point but again you said it in a way that showed you had no interest in learning why so I’ll have to go over the top of your wishes here solely to genuinely help spread real info in case ppl read your comment.
𝗘𝗡𝗚𝗜𝗡𝗘 𝗦𝗨𝗣𝗣𝗟𝗜𝗘𝗥𝗦 𝗗𝗢𝗡𝗧 𝗦𝗜𝗚𝗡 𝗖𝗢𝗡𝗖𝗢𝗥𝗗𝗘 𝗔𝗚𝗥𝗘𝗘𝗠𝗘𝗡𝗧𝗦.
I don’t want anyone on my channel making this error. Honda supplies power. They are not subject to FOM agreements. So the premise of your entire point is wildly wrong. If you sign a Concorde agreement, you’re 100% legally bound to it. Literally the most iron clad agreement you can think of. But again, Honda was not apart of this. Red Bull are. Hence their commitment. Their only exit clause would be under extenuating circumstances that are identified. We’ve had one major Concorde leak snd the rest are under tight seal. The teams did have cover in the leak 1997 Concorde but again, it wasn’t easy and certainly would never be pursued haphazardly.
So the lesson is, if you want to condescend, be right. And if you’re not right, be open to being wrong. 𝙉𝙀𝙑𝙀𝙍 be wrong 𝘼𝙉𝘿 not open to learning. It’s ironic you talk about denial and how lack of knowledge is widespread when you yourself overtly and by any generous measure displayed copious amounts of both.
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1. "I've actually gone on their website and compiled a list of all the motorsports they have exposure too. and while some of these do have plans for more electrification, not all of them share the same voracious pursuit for carbon neutrality Honda reportedly does."
You've seem to have completely misunderstood me, I was saying that Honda's involvement with F1 and Indy Car come from different divisions and are separate.
2. I was talking about Red Bull here not Honda. Who could very well sell the team, as seen with Williams and the rumours at Mercedes.
Back in 2006 BMW, Toyota and Honda agreed to stay in F1 till 2012 as part of the Grand Prix Manufacturers Association. And as you'll know that didn't hold up.
Off topic ... are you working on a driver discussion (or have I missed it)? I'm thinking of RB, Albon, Perez in particular. If I were RB I'd have Perez in there ASAP - perfect rear gunner to Max's out and out pace - a points collecting machine.
F1 is bigger than Honda, their exit won't change anything. In 2008-2009 Toyota, BMW and Honda all pulled out, many people thought F1 was done, on the contrary, we entered an era of close racing we had never seem.
First of, big compliments to your well produced, researched and interesting episodes. F1 fan here since, well...since forever is a long time Mrs Jackson. Let's just say I saw Nelson Piquet win the 1st turbo championship (1983 Brabham BMW. 1500bhp baby). So I have seen the pundits come and go. Stick around Cranky, you are an asset to the F1 world.
Seems to me that an Cowell route forward with RBR producing it's own mugen rebranded unit for 2022 is most likely. The question at hand, will Merc and Ferarri adopt the no development strategy after 2022? That seems unlikely. Unless RBR is able to pull VW or BMW in, the future is worrisome for them atm.
Much appreciated! I’ve long released the stressed of “making money” from videos snd just kinda burned the ships. Is it cost effective? No. Is it risky? Yes. But I sleep like a baby at night haha Case and point will be tomorrow’s video.
Yeah I totally underestimated the mugen badge. It seemed all the revenue issues would translate to that program too but I guess I overlooked that Red Bull could overcompensate with a giant check. At this point they are just paying to keep max more than anything.
Do you think Merc will even be around? I fear they have a foot out potentially transitioning back to engine supplier.
@@CYMotorsport I guess the renewed contract of Lewis will tell us much about Merc's long term intentions. I wouldn't be surprised if they would agree upon one year deal.
The point of being involved in motorsport is to develop tech that makes it into consumer cars. The more advanced the tech the further out it is before it that tech finds its way to application. Most other motorsport may have 3-5 year lead time, Indy may have 10-12, but F1 being most advanced likely takes 15+ years. Well in 15+ years Honda may not need that ICE tech as they switch to carbon neutral.
Its a real shame Honda are leaving F1 after making so much progress. Renault are definitely in a tricky situation and i agree they will prob kiss n make up with Renault. There is another option here....Liberty Media need to start earning their crust and talk to/convince other manufacturers to come into the sport for 2022 season....great stuff Crazy Yankee, peace to ya.
That finale with Senna’s lap though
gonna keep doing going forward in the end credits. thanks for the feedback!
Watch this video when it came out and for some reason CZcams brought it up, I must say given how things are going this year I must say Honda did a brawn again
So what youre saying is Kyvat - Alpha Tauri WDC in 2022?
Friend and I talked about possible Wildcard engine makers to come in, & a wild thought came to mind.
Imagine if Bugatti came in out of nowhere to build an engine for Red Bull. Imagine their speed down the straights
yeah they already have a dog shit reputation with building consumer friendly cars. I wonder if they could afford it? It might just have to be major road car players like VW. But the exotic cars have a shot especially if F1 help them play ball. They've done it in the past. Domenicali has some history in this space of course let's not forget
F1 I would assume pull more strings than normal if it were to keep Verstappen a major player in events
If I had to hazard any likely guess of a new Engine addition, Audi could be a make to keep an eye on.
Though I'm a bit behind on the Heavy Technical side of things having just started to consistently follow F1 Race to Race, so I kinda just throw names at the wall & see what sticks.
VW's aversion to ICE motorsport makes that sadly impossible, but given this season nothing will surprise me
If 2020 has done anything, it's shown nothing is off the table
Bugatti uses thicc ass W16 engine in their cars which weighs more than the whole F1 car. So not gonna happen
I see no good option other than Red Bull developing the Honda PU in-house. They’ve burnt their bridges with Renault after the 2018 season, Mercedes is supplying 4 teams right now, and Ferrari usually isn’t willing to supply teams who will threaten them. Red Bull have run themselves into another ditch here, and who knows how long they’d take to climb out?
Wanna write a cheeky first comment but I have to watch the video first...
of all people, I can understand the value in taking your time haha
The senna video in the end with THAT engine man ur making us cry.
I can't believe they let me keep it. I may start doing that every single video - retro onboards for credits!
There is talk about losing red bull and alpha tauri if Ferrari block engine freezing or something, what do you make of that? This situation has the potential to see formula one disintegrate into a 16 car field
Sad bois RIP Honda gang
I'm sorry to post this here. I don't know where else or how else to post it. Here goes. You're probably on to something like this already, but on the off-chance that you aren't, please could you do a video on who is theoretically better between Lewis Hamilton and Michael Schumacher (yes, I went there, and so should you) taking all the necessary things into account of course. Thank you a million times in advance.
My personal idea to draw in more manufacturers is to standardize the ICE and let the manufacturers go full beans with the Electrical and energy recovery system. Let's be real, ICEs are a dead end with no long term road relevance and no one will pour hundreds of millions developing one just for F1.
Your F1 content is tops on youtube.
thanks MP422! appreciate the support
I think I would want to see Red Bull use Porsche, BMW, or Audi engines cause they are quite good in other racing leagues.
Porsche would be legendary
Honda is brilliant,at the same time irritating!! But I can't blame them, for the interests of the project (financially wise) ,they had quit. This also the turning point for F1, the car manufacturers don't seem to be interested in ICEs anymore. I would propose Hydrogen Fuel engines, they are more abundant,a cleaner source of energy (electric engines use indirect combustion of fossil fuels). Anyways brilliant video mate!
Exactly how I felt. SOO close yet again. They are very very prudent with timing
Right now, the only "race car" using Hydrogen is the H24 WEC prototype/test car. As the name suggest, WEC is really investing on Hydrogen powered cars to be good enough for the sport.
I mean, I love watching the channel of a fellow American reporting on F1, but that mustache is hurting our street cred bro 😉
If RB goes back to any of the current engine suppliers would be Renault, they have shown progress on reliability which was the main issue RB had. Merc wouldn’t risk having another competitor as we currently have the pink Mercedes and next year McLaren. Ferrari sadly their engine doesn’t show any promise unless next year they make a big turn around.
But I think RB could also buy the rights from Honda to build their own engine rebranded. I think it comes down to what happens next season. If RB doesn’t make a competitive car I can see Max going to Merc for 2022.
Honda bring great dishonor with constant quitting. 🇯🇵
Not a popular opinon but I think by the time Lewis will retire, The young drivers will have secured better seats and will deny Verstappen a title. Hi choice for 2021 is crucial because he's choosing the team which could have the best shot at his title, but with the likes of Leclerc, Sainz, Gasly etc. on the grid, I think there's a genuine chance he never becomes champion, even though he's crazy fast.
I think on short term Max will only leave if Mercedes want to supply Redbull in exchange for him to join their team , in the lonnger term only the failure of the RedBull Renault partnership can make him leave
I kinda figured this video was coming when I was you in that donut media video and heard honda was leaving
Haha honestly that was totally not planned. We recorded long before this one and I bet it took him forever to line up schedules. Hats off to however Nolan pulled it all together haha
What about cosworth? They built an engine for F1 that meets regulation but they never did anything with it.
I would LOVE to see the cozzy but I dont think it's cost effective for them. they woulda jumped on it when regs were announced. the hesitation makes me VERY nervous buuuuuut then I started to get more excited about Stefano given where he came from. That could be a HUGE play
CrankyYankeeF1 it would be so awesome so no lie lol we can always wish.
They can still buy Honda PU's intellectual property and rebadge the engine, you never know...
Will Verstappen go is a very easy question it simply depends on whether a seat opens up at Mercedes.
Max can't go, there is no clause in his contract saying he could leave if Honda do, Christian Horner has confirmed that no clause exists in his contract
@@BigMacMick well then the question is obsolete anyway
what we don't know is whether there's a clause about a seat opening at Merc. I have no evidence but it's kinda silly if someone argued they didn't bake that in given the relationship with Toto. If max isn't winning enough races AND seat opens, you can bet your ass they covered off for that in writing. Honda going is irrelevant only so much as the wins they bring. them leaving def won't make them perform BETTER.
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Anything for y’all. I’m here til formula 1 shuts me down haha
I see some vortexes coming off your moustache 😂 anyway like always great video mate 🍻
becoming a genuine aero problem haha