Riese & Müller Supercharger2 Review
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- This is the new Riese & Müller Supercharger2 for 2020. It’s been completely redesigned frame which includes two Bosch Powertube batteries and the Generation 4 Bosch motor. We’re very excited about this bike as it has some great improvements from last year.
If you're interested in learning more about this or other Riese and Muller bikes, check out the links below:
SuperCharger
propelbikes.com/product/riese...
Riese and Muller brand page:
propelbikes.com/riese-muller-...
We hope you enjoy the video. Let us know if you have any questions or comments.
TIMECODES:
1:30 Frame
2:27 Racks/attachment points/accessories
3:45 Tires
4:55 Drivetrain
6:15 Motor
8:13 Battery
9:20 Display
12:15 Brakes/Shifter
14:20 Saddle/seat post
More about the Supercharger2 at: propelbikes.com/product/riese...
#riesemuller #supercharger2 #riesemullersupercharger2 - Věda a technologie
Thanks so much for watching!
If you're interested in learning more about this bike, check out the link in the video description. :)
A review which actually told me what I wanted and needed to know, thank you very much for sharing this. Cheers from the UK.
I am enjoying the new videos; they come over as really well produced and the presentation pacing is very good
Thanks for taking the time to write this. We are working hard at them, I’m glad you enjoy :)
By far the most excellent video regarding Supercharger2. Sorry for buying this outstanding product here in Germany. Staying next time in NY i come along to say thanks in person. Top job Chris. You are really the best not only regarding R&M products... keep on cycling.
Thanks so much Sven! I really appreciate your comment. I hope you enjoy your bike as I’m sure you will. We welcome to visit our shop anytime! Let us know as I’m frequently traveling and it would be great to meet you :)
Wow, thanks Chris for this quality content!
Thanks! Glad you like it! :)
It is amazing how far we have come with I ride one everyday sometimes I might do 50 miles I definitely love the new I love the way you explain the bike so thank you for that
Thanks Sam! Great to hear you’re getting out there consistently. I’m also happy to hear you enjoyed the video, I hope you like our future videos as well.
Your style and flow of presentation is excellent. Very informative. Keep up the good work.
Thanks comment and feedback Richard! We’re really fortunate to have a great team helping with the videos. We hope you stay tuned for future videos and let us know if there is anything you would like covered.
@@Propelbikes Hi Chris, do you have any clue which bag / basket / Base System fits to the front tray? No answer from R&M so far... Thanks for your good work! Ron
Super expensive in AU as well with a Rolhoff, over $12,000 but since i dont drive anymore this bike is my next upgrade and it finally comes in my favourite colour. Really well done video as well!!
Thanks David! It is a bit pricey, but no doubt worth it! It’s an excellent car replacement.
Great video, Chris!
Thank you Matthew! Glad you liked it. Let me know if there are any videos you’d like to see more of or other topics you’d like to see us cover.
Hi Just like to say thank you for giving such a technically proficient rerview.
Looks really nice👍
It’s an awesome bike for sure! It’s becoming one of our most popular models.
I bought this bike a couple of days ago. I really can't wait for it. but it wil be at the end of February, starting of march.
Awesome! Congrats!
Great review of the new version of my 2016 Charger GX--mine being the shinny CURRY! I'm still battling with whether or not I like the new design, especially the frame integrated batteries. I'm not a fan of proprietary parts that dictate design. I guess, if you have no choice, Bosch is not a bad partner and R&M seems to integrate things pretty well, although it's all still a bit bulky IMHO. My GX and its Bosch system have been flawless for 9000km, so there's that.
Glad to see you've got a channel, Chris. Hope you enjoyed visiting Germania!!!
Thanks Tom, great to see you in here and I hope you enjoyed our videos. We’re just getting started so any feedback is very much encouraged.
I remember talking about your Charger GX, the trend is definitely going towards more integration, but I can definitely understand your perspective. The Supercharger2 does look really slick in person though.
I’m also with you on the proprietary design, but if you’re going to go with a proprietary system Bosch makes a lot of sense. I don’t see them going anywhere anytime soon and they do seem to do their best to make things backwards compatible, although there was a slight seemingly unavoidable departure from this recently with Gen 4 and the 625Wh powertube. Hopefully there isn’t too much of that going forward.
I always enjoy visiting Germany and I’ve been fortunate to have visited many times this year. I don’t usually make it much further north than Frankfurt lately, but I’ll have to look you up if I do.
@@Propelbikes Let me know next time you're in the old country. If I can make it, I'll come your way, shake your hand! FYI, I lived in Darmstadt (may years ago) so the area is a bit familiar.
Sounds like a plan :)
Perfect e bike, great autonomy
The Supercharger2 is pretty awesome!
I like the 1:1 gear ratio on the cranks to the Bosch mid drive, that could save your ass in a battery=0 scenario.
This will definitely improve the efficiency a bit. Thanks for checking out our video :)
Excellent.
Our sentiments exactly! :)
Hi Chris. I don't know if it is the right place but I think that a very useful video provided by you could be talking about how to correctly remove and replace the rear wheel of a modern e-bike like a Riese and Muller one with a belt and a Rohloff transmission. These bikes are unusual and becoming very sophisticated and one (like me or somebody else) can be affraid in case of changing a tire for example. which steps are mandatory. A discussion about how to correctly setup the belt tension after mounting the wheel would be very interesting. The official R&M documentation provided with a new bike does not explain these operations despite they should be reachable for the average user. Best regards. Sid
Great feedback! I will work on making one soon
Great video Chris. I miss the blue frame colour.
Thanks! The blue had been a personal favorite of mine too! I think the red will be my new favorite though :) Gotta go with the color!
I own a 2018 Supercharger and I'm not convinced some of the updates are really worth it (my opinion). The new motor has a larger chain ring which drops the BB height and that means you're more likely to smash it on something due to less clearance unless of course the chain ring is the same size as the old motor and clearance has NOT changed. The new battery covers being attached mean that you can't remove the battery without having a large hole in the frame.
Great review though Chris!
Thanks for your comments! Great feedback. I hope you have been enjoying your Supercharger, it’s been one of our most popular models.
The new configuration of the motor does raise the BB a little but the larger chainring does have a bit less clearance in comparison. For the batteries, R&M is planning to offer a dummy option for those who want to run with just one battery.
I hope you’ll stay tuned for future reviews and videos. Let me know if you have any special requests :)
If you can not get hold of the Supercharger 2 look at secondhand Super charger Ist generation. We got one each in Nov 2017 and the bikes are great. Battery life is excellent and the battery discharge over the last two winters has been very low. We got the Gates belt drive because in our part of East Lancs England ( Pendle Hill country ) we have hills and plenty of them. The Gates belt drive allows no loss of speed on the hills as well as low maintenance. One last point get Sena Helmets that have blue toothed and allow a half mile range to communicate with fellow cyclists as well as linking up with your phone
Great job Chris! The review is excellent. I was considering the 2019 Haibike Trekking S 9.0. But now that the Gen 4 Bosch speed motors offer 75nm of Torque I may have to hold off. I really like the bike you reviewed with the dual battery setup. I weigh about 275lbs and it seems this bike would handle my weight plus touring bags. Is it rated for a certain max? Did they upgrade the font rack capacity like the rear one? The price is steep but it seems like an awesome bike. I do prefer the blue or a red compared to the Curry or Silver though. I hope to test drive one at your NYC location.
Thanks T. V.! Glad you like it! I'm quite taken by it. We just got our demos in and I'm really loving it! I don't see any issues with the bike handling your weight, you could also get some of the GH parts like the saddle and seatpost. The front rack is slightly upgraded this year as well. Technically we could custom paint one, but I would recommend sticking with the original color if possible.
I think I saw your email with Lee. I won't be in NY, but you're definitely in good hands. Let me know if I can help with anything at all!
Great review Chris. My only complaint is the unnecessary music in the background. You don't need it.
Very informative video, thank you. I own the previous version of this bike which is powered by the older version of Bosch motor and was wondering whether it's possible to replace the existing chainring on my bike with the chainring on the 2020 model?
Thanks for your comment! Glad you enjoyed the video. The new chainring won’t fit on the previous generation Bosch motor system unfortunately.
Fuell fluid is also dual battery built in the tube
Saw one of these today and lusted after it on my normal bike can't help but wonder with all that extra weight is the battery/motor just making up for the weight gain from a normal bike?
Hi Chris, do you know when they will upgrade the multi charger to gen 4 motor?
Was there a particular reason why they didn’t do it for 2020.
Regards Terence
I just finished a 550 mile trip on a non ebike. Although it was a true testament to my endurance and will power, Covering 100 miles a day back to back killed me and left my too tired to do anything else. I want to know what the real world range is for one of this. If i was to guess, i would say about 80 miles?
Hi Chris, thanks for the great review! I am curious about one thing; how does the actual use of the battery power work? I mean, does the motor use both batteries at the same time or first one and then the other? By the way, are the two batteries interchangeable from top to bottom and viceversa? Thanks in advance! Regards, Sascha
The motor uses both batteries at the same time by alternating between the upper and the lower battery constantly.
The batteries are interchangeable.
The bike seems great! Quick question though, how does the rollov shifter operate without power? And also are there usb plugs near the handlebar or frame tubes to charge up a cellphone while riding?
Thanks for your work I'm really into that one a lot!
saw another one today. A success in Belgium even though it costs half a car.
They are much better than a car in the city though ;)
@@Propelbikes actually this bike costs more than my car...:) ( used car)
@@colasalz2 I totally get it, but from my experience, it's built better than most cars and it definitely offers more utility in the city.
@@colasalz2 Are you including car insurance, maintenance, taxes, gas, etc?
Hey Chris, great review! I'm getting one as fast as I can. Unfortunately not in your store since I'm in Denmark. But can you tell me what size frame you are riding in this video? I'm really in doubt about what size to choose.
I presume Chris uses a 49 frame size. Any good bike shop will consult you to make sure the bike will fit your body size.
This is correct! Thanks for the assist. I’m 5’9” with a 30.5” inseam and the bike size is 49cm.
Fine video review, fine e-bike! I have driven approx. 500 km supercharger. Unfortunately after five uses, the second battery will no longer charge. Do high price and good quality go hand in hand? I thought Bosch batteries are good! All the best to Propel and Chris from Lapland, Finland.
Thanks Tapio! Sounds like there might be an issue with the wiring on your bike. I know it can be challenging with all of the integration. I would try to charge the battery off the bike and try the battery in the other position as a test. It's also possible that a software update could solve the issue. Happy riding! I hope to make it to Finland one day!
Hi Chris,
Thank you so much for your very useful videos ! Do you know how long time does it take to get a new Supercherger2 (order to delivery) ? Best regards.
Hey Sid, thanks for your comment. For the lead time it really depends. On average it takes a couple of months, but we often carry stock of the more popular versions so you can get the bike quicker. Not sure if you’re in the states, but if you shoot an email I can assist you further.
@@Propelbikes Chris, I live in France. My new supercharger2 has been delivered to me last january 17th. What a bike ! Unfortunately one battery seems to be deffective, i.e. all geen led off when connecting directly to the charger and the range indicated by Kiosk is about only 52 kms within the Sport mode after full charge of the bike. This is something just impossible to check during the delivery process. Can you tell me how do you proceed in such case in the US. I mean do you deal with RM or with Bosch ? I have contacted bioth RM and my dealer (Paris). Thank's again for the reviews. Sid
Hi Chris,
I hope that you are fine. Do you have any news concerning the rubber covers that R&M was planning to sold in order to be able to protect the bike when the battery (powertube) is removed from the 2020 line ebikes ? Is it yet possible to order such covers ? I am convinced that the decision to do so on the powertubes of the new line ebikes is a huge design mistake. I mean, with this system, it is impossible for the customer to buy a new battery from anywhere, beause of the mounted cover. It is mandatory to order it from R&M. I have experienced that with my Supercharger 2 which has been delivered to me with one faulty battery. It was really a big mess to get a new one. After receiving a new powertube directly from Bosch, my dealer was not able to remove the rubber cover in order to install it on the new battery. He was obliged to give me another battery that he took from another new Supercharger 2 which was exposed in the shop.
I need two of these rubber covers (or similar) for the bike transportation using my car during the summer holidays. For Bosch, it is mandatory to remove the batteries during the transportation by car. In addition my Thule holder states that the maximum weight par bike is 24 kgs.
I think that it would be something useful for every R&M 2020 bike user if you can give your opinion and/or solutions in your CZcams channel.
Best regards. Sid
We have the transport covers in stock and it is possible to install the rubber cover on the battery. It’s a bit of a process but it can be done in the shop.
@@Propelbikes
Thank you for the (very fast) answer. As a dealer, did you receive a "how to" from R&M or did you succeed thanks to very clever technicians ? What is the average price for the rubber covers and how is it fixed on the frame for transportation purposes ?
Regards
Sid
Hi Chris, sorry for disturbing you. Can you tell me if the Gates CDX belt front protector (or guard) can be removed safely from the front sprocket on the R&M Supercharger 2 GT, Rohloff version ? I am asking this because I have damaged this part on my ebike during a long way tour and I am not sure that the assembly is using screws. I am afraid that it can be rivets instead. If so, it means that unmountting this protector in order to change it is impossible. Hopefuly, the sprocket and the belt are not affected (i.e. the protector is useful !) Thank's for your answer and take care of you. Regards. Sid
It should be able to snap off actually. It’s clipped on but they can be kind of tough to get off. I hope this helps.
Hi - how do you remove the rubber strap on the rear rack of a riese muller super delight without cutting it?
@Propel Electric Bikes do you know why there is no Bosch SmartphoneHub available together with rohloff?
When the COBI System was developed it was built with a reverse engineered version of the Bosch system and at that time Eshift wasn’t a thing. They might eventually change that, but at the moment it won’t work and I don’t see that changing real soon.
@@Propelbikes thanks. I olso don't the Hub available on Enviolo HS in Euroope. Is it a law thing?
@@yankovalski It is a law that you can't get the Smartphone hub in Europe on HS bikes since it doesn't always display the speed on the screen. Maybe this will change eventually, but it won't be for 2020.
just a quick question from a noob im sure chris said that the bike had 2x500 watt batteries do they do a european equivalent say 2x250 watt batteries as im sure 250 watt is the max in the uk or are these ebikes mainly for the american/canadian market
I have a NCM fat bike with 48volt rear wheel motor and 768watt battery. The fat bike works really on rough and loose gravel roads, we have alot of in Australia.
How do the tyres hold up on the Supercharger on loose gravel?
These tires work quite well in the loose gravel. There is a lot of loose gravel in Germany where the R&M factory is so I had many opportunities to test them on this type of terrain. You could go with a more aggressive tread but I don’t think it’s needed.
It's my dream bike 😘😘😘... It has got all features i thought of....i wish i could afford it 😔😔😔
It sure is special. Maybe getting one used or perhaps financing could make sense.
is this only for city biking or gravel too?
This does not seem to be the final GX version? Per my dealers specs, the Ergon Saddle will be replaced with a cheaper Selle Royal Selle Royal Nuvola. And with the GX OPtion, Grips should be Grips with Bar ends, dealer cites Ergon GP30-L*. Or is there a difference betwen HS & Non-HS models?
I’ll have to check with the guys, but the Nuvola saddle is for the GH version, for heavy riders as the saddle has heavier duty rails on it. The GX should has the Ergon saddle and you’re right it should have the Ergon GP 3 bar end grips, the Rock Razor tires and the pedals are upgraded to the VP 538’s.
@@Propelbikes Thank you for the fast response! The Web site says "Selle Royal New Lookin Moderate Male" as standard for the saddle. Good luck with your new channel.
Thanks! The Lookin saddle is standard and the Ergon comes with the more sporty GX upgrade. If you go to configure the bike and click the GX option you can see in the description. I hope you enjoy our future videos. Let me know if you have any special requests. I already plan to make a video about the GX option.
Is it worth buying over the 2018 model looks awesome
If you have the budget and can wait I would probably go for the 2020 model. I think the updates are definitely worth it. I’m sure this bike will be super popular. Do you know which spec you are considering?
Hi Chris,
I am really enjoying using my new Supercharger 2 Rohloff version. I use it for everyday comuting. There are two point that are NOT documented. I would like to have your opinion. First concerning the Aion suspension, there are two rubber rings, blue and white. Do you know the aim of those. I bought my bike with the front carrier. Eight screws installed on the buttom side are waiting for some (specific ?) accessories. Which ones ? The very best from France. Sid
Thanks for reaching out! The rings are for setting the suspension sag. You should adjust the air so it compresses about 25% in your natural riding position. The ring will tell you how much. You’ll need to get new bolts from a dealer as they aren’t easy to come by otherwise.
Which Helmet do you use in the Video?
My new favorite POC Omne Air Spin. I have a big head and have trouble finding a helmet that looks and feels good, but I really like this one.
Very good,but what about cost to purchase?
Excellent analysis. Maybe finesse use of "which" .
WAU Bike 👌
I would have liked to have seen you remove and examine the battery packs and chargers.
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I have the 2019 model GX Rholoff in blue it is an awesome bike ... but love this model think I need to see LBS and ask about trade in :-)
This thing is a real beast. I'm not usually one to suggest things like this, but you might want to consider it.
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Does it come in a smaller frame for petite riders- 5’ /155cm?
This one doesn’t. I’d recommend checking out the Riese & Müller Nevo. The 43cm would fit you well.
czcams.com/video/7FIzUuwOCm0/video.html
Great video! Does this have integrated brake lights?
Thanks Nicholas! It does have integrated brake lights on the HS (High Speed) versions.
Have you got any info on the 2021 ? , i am aware the batteries will be 625 watt ,
Yes in option
Hi, what's your height and the frame size of the bike in this video? Was the frame size suited for your height?
I’m 5’9” with a 30.5” inseam and the bike is a 49cm. This is the size I would normally ride.
@@Propelbikes Thank you, I'm of the exact same measurements. 49cm it is
Sweet! Which version are you going for?
Placed an order for a GT Vario HS 49cm in Silver with a retailer in the UK. Thanks for your help.
Nice! Sharp bike! I hope you enjoy it and you’ll stay tuned for future videos :)
Wish it came in electric metallic blue like the previous Supercharger.
Where there’s a will there’s a way. If you really want it we can make it happen.
@@Propelbikes Oh Awesome!
I love this bike, but in Canada it's very expensive ($11500.00 CAN)
It’s not cheap, but as most would say it’s totally worth it!
Propel Electric Bikes but reading the comments on things that buyers have had wrong issues with it is a bit scary especially for the price ..I almost expect perfection with this price.
Does the smartphone hub now work with speed pedelecs?
Only in the US. It doesn’t have approval for Europe
@@Propelbikes thanks for the info
@@Propelbikes But works too on Europe Models...;)
Technically it would work on a speed bike in Europe, but it’s not possible to configure that way and you would be going against the law.
hello
what is the difference between the supercharger2 and the charger
Just the additional internal battery on the Supercharger2.
Is the dust country better than the obligation?
Can you mount additional batteries at the back rack mount for those heavy grocery days?
Is there a way to attach a kids trailer
Yes it is possible. Let me know if there is one you're considering and I can check the compatibility.
What size is it and how tall are you? It’s Best looking ebike I have seen.
I’m 5’9” and this is a 49cm
Thanks. Great help
forgot to show diff ranges the bike calculated for each level of assist ✌🚲
There is something I don't understand, why don't bicycles have a mirror so you can see traffic coming up on you? I do have an electric bike I ride in my rural neighborhood.
I wanna know , how long can I ride on each setting , what its like on climbs , how much do I need to put in in a commute. Could I just slowly peddle and get max speed. What is the max speed? Don't tell me about forks and rotors , been riding MTB's since 1990 with my Kona Lava Dome. Ps ive never ridden electric and have not one clue how it feels, but I really want to know
The bike will tell you how far you can ride in each setting based on your riding, but as a general rule I say 20 miles on the max assist and 60 miles on the lower levels with one 500Wh battery, this one has two so you can double that. You can slowly pedal at the top assist level and get to 20mph, but for the HS (High Speed) 28mph version you might need to work a bit more for it. This bike is available with a CX motor with a 20mph top speed and a HS motor with a 28mph top speed. This website is good for calculating your range: www.bosch-ebike.com/us/service/range-assistant/
The motor feels like you are stronger than you are or that you have a strong tailwind. You can climb pretty much any hill with ease.
"Slowly peddle and get max speed"? How would that work? I have the previous Supercharger (in metallic blue) and I've cruised up the steepest road in the world and had to use third gear. So, I can't imagine ever needing first or second gear unless I was loaded down with luggage. I always whack mine into Turbo and usually get about 80km out of a single charge. I've ridden on flat roads and used Tour mode as much as possible and got over 100km and still had battery left.
Q much $$$$ @ Where can I buy one in Tnn. ?
This bike starts around $7k and you can see more about the options and pricing here: propelbikes.com/product/riese-muller-supercharger2/
I don’t believe there is a dealer in Tennessee but we do ship nationwide.
I've been looking at e-bikes sold in US. the prices, voltages, amperages, top speed and ranges are all over the map. Why should I pay $6000 from a 250 watt e-bike? How crap are the Chinese bikes? Where's the performance/price sweetspot?
Scott you have a great point. I think it really comes down to the overall ride experience, reliability, comfort and safety. I wouldn’t focus too much on the motor wattage, torque is the more important factor, but at a certain point you are just adding weight for power you won’t need. If you ride a bike like this I think you would be convinced very quickly that it’s worth it.
Many companies try to sell customer on vanity specs like 750 Watts or 1000 Watts, many of which are not real measurements. Watts can also be considered akin to fuel efficiency, it doesn’t always translate to power since much of it can be lost in it’s transfer. Keep in mind the power listed is also the nominal power, the peak power is over 850 Watts on this motor.
Torque is usually a better measurement of power potential, for the motor on this bike it’s 75Nm which is pretty significant, especially when efficiently transferred to a bikes drivetrain.
To answer your question more directly I think this is the performance sweet spot. I have largely bet and built my business on it. For me this is the pinnacle of quality and performance. The one step further is to add full suspension like the Delite or Superdelite. I’m not sure where you’re located but I would highly recommend trying one out. I think you’ll understand very quickly. We have shops in LA and NY if you’re ever in the area.
I'm surprised you did not mention the range. Shame.
With the two included batteries you should see on average about 70 miles. But depending on assistance and other conditions you can see anywhere from 50 - 100+ miles.
@@Propelbikes Thank you.
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This bike is available with a 20mph motor and a 28mph motor for the US. Some other places might have different top speeds, like in Europe it's 25kph or 45kph.
Grazie!
It costs more than a motorcycle. I just wonder why?
It’s kind of like the Mercedes of electric bikes. Sure you can get a cheaper one, but it’s not going to be the same. This bike is built with all of the highest standards and quality parts, and it performs as you would expect a bike built in this way to.
Curry Roadie
Not worth that amount of money... Besides that, good review