GOKU or VEGETA? Who is the BETTER Fighter? - Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super

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  • @bobodalien1804
    @bobodalien1804 Před 4 lety +600

    goku has a final technique called the protagonist technique

    • @thasouth5624
      @thasouth5624 Před 4 lety +29

      Vegeta still better

    • @hmmmeha7526
      @hmmmeha7526 Před 4 lety +28

      LaRoy Ruthless How? Vegeta’s peak is super sayian blue evolution. Which is much stronger than any of goku’s forms except of Ultra Instict. Goku wins because of it, Vegeta will hardly able to hit him

    • @danatos24
      @danatos24 Před 4 lety +1

      @@hmmmeha7526 True. This situation is about a BATTLE TO THE DEATH, and what is Ultra Instinct? A fight or flight response, an ability to dodge and attack on instinct.

    • @anissaassad4614
      @anissaassad4614 Před 4 lety +9

      So does vegeta final deutaragonist

    • @YoungNasty13
      @YoungNasty13 Před 4 lety +1

      Asad Parvez Vegeta uses vengeance to gain power he hates how Goku is stronger and better

  • @Whats_Up_Buttercup
    @Whats_Up_Buttercup Před 4 lety +515

    I'd say Goku's the better fighter because of how many different teachers he's had

    • @clutch3097
      @clutch3097 Před 4 lety +24

      Facts but in raw power it goes to vegeta

    • @playboi._.dj1
      @playboi._.dj1 Před 4 lety +36

      X The God no it does not

    • @pizzacrumbles
      @pizzacrumbles Před 4 lety +18

      Vegtea is a smart cookie when it comes to fighting while goku has martial arts and can use his body better

    • @pagicpulse1528
      @pagicpulse1528 Před 4 lety +23

      I think goku is just way more talented he has been shown to take many unique techniques within a short amount of time vegeta just basic to me

    • @ykdageneralplug2894
      @ykdageneralplug2894 Před 4 lety +3

      @@pagicpulse1528 I just like Vegeta's badass ego

  • @MrEffectfilms
    @MrEffectfilms Před 3 lety +146

    Vegeta's focus is on power, always trying to be strong enough to completely overwhelm his opponents, Goku's is on versatility, giving himself as many options for as many situations in battle as possible.

    • @rahulgomes1472
      @rahulgomes1472 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Bro that's some bullshit, Akira toriyama hates Vegeta that's so obv

    • @MrEffectfilms
      @MrEffectfilms Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@rahulgomes1472 yes of course. That's why Goku to this day has never officially beaten him in a fight. That's obviously the reason right.

    • @rahulgomes1472
      @rahulgomes1472 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@MrEffectfilms and that's the reason why only Goku gets to beat villian everytime, the prince of all Saiyan can't take his revenge from freiza ?! At the end of the day Goku gets to be the hero ?!!

    • @MrEffectfilms
      @MrEffectfilms Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@rahulgomes1472 okay I'll give you that one, that was some bullshit. But for the most part Vegeta gets in his own way.

  • @tst550
    @tst550 Před 4 lety +188

    You forgot one thing, Gokus main ability is "Main Protagonist Abuse"

  • @rakasudijono5603
    @rakasudijono5603 Před 4 lety +202

    Summimg it up in the form of rpg players
    Vegeta- the typa player that tries to get as high a level as possible and spams strong ass moves.
    Goku- the typa player that barely cares about level and workes on making a hella annoying combo.

    • @smartsyissmart9547
      @smartsyissmart9547 Před 4 lety +19

      Yet Goku still manages to surpass vegeta in power numerous times

    • @rexlogan1495
      @rexlogan1495 Před 4 lety +13

      another way to look at it: vegeta speed runs the game and misses key items, and goku grinds the game before he gets to each level boss. 🤣

    • @yourmomswithme1993
      @yourmomswithme1993 Před 4 lety +3

      @Holy One vegeta never when kao so how would he say if we let him do this and that 🤔

    • @jocoolshow
      @jocoolshow Před 4 lety +2

      Goku does both levels and combos

    • @Not_Claptrap
      @Not_Claptrap Před 4 lety +5

      @Holy One 1. Vegeta *never* learned kaio-ken. 2. Goku using kaio-ken to "surpass vegeta's power" is bullshit, yes when they first met, he had to use kaio-ken, but now, he doesn't since goku is slightly stronger, if vegeta's power level after the zenkai he got from dende on namek was 2,700,000 goku wouldn't be much stronger, but he was nonetheless, that just makes gokus kaio-ken that much stronger

  • @Cloudy1
    @Cloudy1 Před 4 lety +72

    Remember when you had 1.5k subs? My my how you’ve grown.

  • @rojagreen
    @rojagreen Před 4 lety +342

    As much as this seems like such an easy decision, I'm disappointed you didn't take their personalities or combat intellect into account. I doubt it'd give Vegeta the easy win at all, but Vegeta also does definitely have a fighting "style," so to say. In the Broly movie, he bested Broly in their very first hand-to-hand not by utilising any techniques or even going super saiyan, but rather by dodging for the first few blows, learning Broly's style, grounding him, landing one swift kick to the chin, sweeping his leg, and sending him flying. Vegeta's proven to be significantly smarter than Goku in combat, and his determination to "beat Kakarot" would surely play some part in their battle, even if Goku was truly fighting to win. Goku will always be stronger than Vegeta and mathematically determining the outcome would probably land Goku the win 9 times out of 10, but the reason an actual full fight between them intrigues me is because, most of the time, Vegeta really does embody an "elite" warrior in raw strength (as you outlined in your video), in determination (his feud with Goku), and in combat intelligence (as seen in the Broly movie).
    All that considered, the video was obviously great lmao. ✌

    • @neverendingnighto2359
      @neverendingnighto2359 Před 4 lety +17

      You literally took all of my ideas and put them into this comment. Thank you.

    • @blackberry596
      @blackberry596 Před 4 lety +17

      red green Goku, however, is also somewhat of a combat genius as he has displayed. Although he’s stupid and overconfident and jokes too much, in the heat of a battle he displays a level of intellect that could help rival Vegeta. However Vegeta is pretty damn smart, he became a super sayian god on his own through his intelligence and combat prowess

    • @rojagreen
      @rojagreen Před 4 lety +11

      @Joseph Williams That's why I left it open-ended, plus we're talking about a hypothetical battle that's never been seen in a proper form. Vegeta also knows of most, if not all, of Goku's techniques (something Goku's previous opponents didn't have the advantage of knowing), so I just wonder how an actual battle between the two of them would play out. Goku beats Vegeta in terms of physical strength, but Vegeta beats Goku in terms of ki strength. Goku beats Vegeta in terms of techniques, but Vegeta beats Goku in terms of full analysis of his opponents (as of Super) which'd render any "surprise" techniques null. I genuinely don't believe Vegeta would win more than 40% of their fights, but I still wouldn't believe a hypothetical fight between the two would be a clear answer in any respect.

    • @rojagreen
      @rojagreen Před 4 lety +6

      @@blackberry596 Rightt. That's why I love the pair so much, and wanna see a canonical battle between them so much. I feel like with all things considered, they'd probably actually be equals, and that'd be amazing to see unfold in both their hypothetical fair fight and in their hypothetical reactions to this fight.

    • @blackberry596
      @blackberry596 Před 4 lety +4

      red green yeah a fight between them would be amazing to see, both in who wins and in terms of animation wise :P

  • @joshualowe959
    @joshualowe959 Před 4 lety +17

    Vegeta trains alone
    Goku trains with other people
    Vegeta trains with a closed mind
    Goku trains with a free mind
    Vegeta fights for himself
    Goku fights for others
    Vegeta chases after Goku
    Goku chases after himself

    • @GloryToGodAlways316
      @GloryToGodAlways316 Před 4 lety +4

      You're mostly correct. I say mostly because Vegeta over the years has learned to fight for his family and his love for them. Other than that yeah spot on

    • @coreythomas3633
      @coreythomas3633 Před 4 lety

      And there still equal

    • @Bigzthegreat
      @Bigzthegreat Před rokem

      joker motivational quote

    • @vb2806
      @vb2806 Před 2 měsíci

      Goku doesn't fight for others, he fights because he loves it

  • @IMTHERAZORSEDGE
    @IMTHERAZORSEDGE Před 4 lety +19

    Being very "adaptable" is Goku greatest strength.He always been a fighting prodigy

  • @khumokwezimashapa2245
    @khumokwezimashapa2245 Před 4 lety +143

    Carthu: Goku or Vegeta? Who is better?
    Me: Vegetto
    "gOgeTa" I get it, you guys prefer Gogeta. I chose Vegetto, because he's my favourite character/fusion.

  • @EveOTW
    @EveOTW Před 4 lety +167

    I'm a recommended what if, what if a fusion could fuse with another fusion

  • @earvindonovansotto2753
    @earvindonovansotto2753 Před 4 lety +73

    Agreed.
    Cell even favored Goku so much so he even mocked Vegeta and the others by saying Goku is way ahead of the other warriors.

    • @cheeseburgerfreddy6350
      @cheeseburgerfreddy6350 Před 4 lety +6

      That's not even a good comparison Tbh

    • @Amiracole
      @Amiracole Před 4 lety +4

      Yeah this video is focusing more on if they were the same strength. Goku was ahead of Vegeta and almost everyone else at the time, so of course he would go to Goku. That isnt really neccesary to find out who would win when they consist of the same power.

    • @soimroman6644
      @soimroman6644 Před 4 lety

      Because is the protagonist._.

    • @brunoveloz10
      @brunoveloz10 Před 4 lety

      i mean that was in DBZ, in super vegeta is clearly a way better fighter than he was in DBZ

    • @danielcooke3800
      @danielcooke3800 Před 4 lety

      Actually Vegeta is physically stronger....re-watch RoF

  • @mmaone7952
    @mmaone7952 Před 4 lety +3

    Goku is clearly the better fighter. Vegeta has even admitted Goku is more naturally talented than himself.

  • @_-Bane-_Main
    @_-Bane-_Main Před 4 lety +199

    I don’t think Vegeta could win outside of a beam struggle. There are too many advantages on Goku’s side.

    • @rockstar-made
      @rockstar-made Před 4 lety +21

      He wouldn't win a beam struggle either lol

    • @dirtraptor3403
      @dirtraptor3403 Před 4 lety +12

      Phoebe goku can not stop a final flash he’s already admitted it.

    • @DragonoftheDarknessFlame
      @DragonoftheDarknessFlame Před 4 lety +9

      Goku can't stop a final flash

    • @danielcooke3800
      @danielcooke3800 Před 4 lety +7

      What advantages?
      Vegeta has Royal/Elite bloodline...
      Trained with deity 1st
      Gifted at martial arts
      Physically stronger

    • @danielcooke3800
      @danielcooke3800 Před 4 lety

      Looks like original ssg

  • @alexbasha0508
    @alexbasha0508 Před 4 lety +91

    I would say Goku, all the fighters he’s fought... he’s learned some of their moves. All the teachers that he has had. How he impressively outsmarts opponents that are way stronger than him.

    • @crimsonking4151
      @crimsonking4151 Před 4 lety +4

      Goku has never beaten Vegeta I rest my case

    • @chasescott7533
      @chasescott7533 Před 4 lety +11

      Jamari J. Williams he could have easily tho

    • @crimsonking4151
      @crimsonking4151 Před 4 lety +2

      @@chasescott7533 Wrong if he could he would have done it.

    • @TK-ev
      @TK-ev Před 4 lety +1

      @@chasescott7533 instead he chose to fight him in maximum SS2 and lost while the planet was on the line

    • @jiraffe9600
      @jiraffe9600 Před 4 lety +1

      TW He held back tho.

  • @cgrandall625
    @cgrandall625 Před 2 lety +32

    Goku is the main character and undoubtedly would win in a current match between the two. However, because of how Goku approaches each fight there is no way he would win "easily". For one, the instant transmission technique can only be used by locking on someone else's ki signature and not a location, and he cannot perform it while being too stressed. This is the reason given why he couldn't save Gohan, Goten, and Trunks while fleeing Kid Buu in Z.
    Even in fights to the death, Goku approaches each fight in an attempt to break through his own limits. Refining his martial arts and his body. Vegeta grew up in battle subjugating other planets, to deny this as training is kind of absurd. He approaches each fight as a means to crush his enemies pure and simple. It's like comparing a Superhero to Conan the Barbarian. Yes the Superhero would win but because of the way they operate Conan is always in the fight.

    • @vanillamilk7575
      @vanillamilk7575 Před rokem

      The first paragraph is just wrong💀. Goku can use instant transmission under stress and does multiple times.

  • @itzcoolcream
    @itzcoolcream Před 4 lety +5

    Vegeta ssjbe is better because it has no drain

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 4 lety +2

      It literally runs out of stamina during the ToP. It 100% has drain and according to it being his equivalent of SSB KKx20 - it’s drain/strain should be the same.

    • @itzcoolcream
      @itzcoolcream Před 4 lety

      @@CarthusDojo oof

    • @cheeseburgerfreddy6350
      @cheeseburgerfreddy6350 Před 4 lety

      @@CarthusDojo Yeah it ran out but even SSB and any other transformation run's out Lols he used final explosion so of course it would run out, It's never stated it has the Kaioken drawbacks so I'd argue that it doesn't have that massive drain Kaioken does.

    • @itzcoolcream
      @itzcoolcream Před 4 lety

      Ok ok I get it sorry

    • @cheeseburgerfreddy6350
      @cheeseburgerfreddy6350 Před 4 lety

      @Scorpio Bradley I never said it was an assumption Lols you're putting word's in my mouth, I said there is more proof that it doesn't have Kaioken drain that's it, Don't know why you tried.

  • @Blitz0009
    @Blitz0009 Před 4 lety +89

    Goku doesn’t win easily it’s extremely close but he still wins

    • @flameagar8995
      @flameagar8995 Před 4 lety +5

      goku can teleport (which is instant) behind vegeta and slice in half with distructo disc. goku can use god bind and slice him with destructo dic. goku can use solar flare and slice him with disctructo disc. Eachs of these methods are practically instant or I'd say a few seconds maybe and it doesn't even have to be destructo disc, he can just use a strong blast

    • @Blitz0009
      @Blitz0009 Před 4 lety +7

      So how come we have never seen him utilitise these many techniques in a spar

    • @flameagar8995
      @flameagar8995 Před 4 lety +6

      @@Blitz0009 cuz that would be wayyy to killer obviously. when he spars he tries to have fun but if he were to go into a fight to the death he can easily just do this

    • @royalblodline9847
      @royalblodline9847 Před 4 lety +4

      @@Blitz0009 Why would he kill vegeta are you stupid`?

    • @popcornman6993
      @popcornman6993 Před 4 lety +5

      @@flameagar8995 lol no one is gonna let Goku teleport behind them and use a distructor disk

  • @igotthemunchies7292
    @igotthemunchies7292 Před 4 lety +6

    We get it you hate Vegeta but don’t make it seem like it would literally be a easy win for Goku when he has never actually beat him

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 4 lety +4

      No he doesn't hate Vegeta, only because he didn't make your beloved Vegeta easily win doesn't mean he hates him, and what does Goku never defeating Vegeta have to do with this? It's irrelevant idiot, by that logic I guess Nappa >>>>>>>>> current Piccolo since Piccolo has never beaten Nappa... imbecile.

    • @Extrasailor
      @Extrasailor Před 4 lety

      Basically Vegeta was beaten by Gohan during Saiyan Saga.

    • @SGCentral
      @SGCentral Před 4 lety +2

      I Got The Munchies 1) Vegeta basically cheated when he used the Great Ape form to beat Goku in their first fight, but I’ll give you that one.
      2) Goku was holding back an entire transformation when he fought Majin Vegeta and there wasn’t even a decisive end to the fight, it was a sucker punch from Vegeta

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 4 lety +1

      @@SGCentral I disagree on the first one, both of them cheated if we go by your logic, both used techniques that amped their power (Vegeta the artificial moon and Goku the Kaioken).

  • @lezeromotors2378
    @lezeromotors2378 Před 4 lety +20

    Vegeta has drag himself by shear will and determination to his present level.
    Goku had toriyama. SO I guess goku wins

    • @nnightkingj
      @nnightkingj Před 4 lety +10

      LE zero Motors so the spoiled prodigy prince with natural talent and a superiority complex due to his status had to drag himself while the low level Saiyan trash who had to train for years and years with multiple masters and break his own body to get strong had Toriyama? You sound highly stupid

    • @jimfernandez4851
      @jimfernandez4851 Před 4 lety +1

      Right ,true!!!!!

    • @mony6847
      @mony6847 Před 4 lety +1

      Dumbass

    • @StomerMadGermzOfficial
      @StomerMadGermzOfficial Před 4 lety +3

      Even vegeta has toriyama

    • @PrinceRevolver
      @PrinceRevolver Před 4 lety +6

      People need to stop with this nonsense. Goku has always worked hard to surpass others and go beyond his own limits.

  • @UFunnyLowe
    @UFunnyLowe Před 4 lety +127

    Goku is the better fighter but Vegeta still hasn’t lost to goku gotta give him that 😂

    • @itzfreezekidsgt7673
      @itzfreezekidsgt7673 Před 4 lety +21

      Goku doesnt fight serious against vegeta so

    • @abcd123432802
      @abcd123432802 Před 4 lety +16

      @@itzfreezekidsgt7673 Goku only ever lost to Vegeta when he was far weaker than him. He had to hold back against him in the Buu saga fight despite Vegeta getting a power boost from babidi ;)

    • @Itachiflameamaterasu
      @Itachiflameamaterasu Před 4 lety +10

      i mean he is right tho Goku never won a fight against him so far lol, rather it's Goku that proved vegeta who's the stronger one

    • @UFunnyLowe
      @UFunnyLowe Před 4 lety +7

      Goku literally fought vegeta to save his planet and then the majin vegeta fight its goku fault he didn’t transform into ssj3

    • @abcd123432802
      @abcd123432802 Před 4 lety +16

      @@itzfreezekidsgt7673 I'm not backing Vegeta, my point was that Goku could have easily beat Vegeta in the buu arc despite Vegeta gaining extra power from babidi. Also had they fought during any other arc in Z Goku would have won.
      Frieza Arc= Goku W
      Android Saga= Goku W (other than when Goku hadn't gone into the time chamber yet)
      Buu Saga= Goku W

  • @DbzDirectioner
    @DbzDirectioner Před rokem +3

    People who have never watched OG Dragon Ball, would never Understand just how much effort Goku has put in his training.

  • @kanekipaine6465
    @kanekipaine6465 Před 4 lety +73

    Here’s what I want to know. How come after the cell games none of them tried to do what gohan and goku did in the room of spirit and time and get use to the super saiyan transformation and just went back to always being in their base forms even tho it looked like goku and gohan could stay like that forever now

    • @mdbz8357
      @mdbz8357 Před 4 lety +14

      Well trunks went back to his timeline. So that only leaves vegeta. I'm sure between the cell games and buu arc, he definately did just that. Maybe not in room of spirit and time but still.

    • @danielcooke3800
      @danielcooke3800 Před 4 lety +8

      They probably did but didn't show it...

    • @KaiserTrigger
      @KaiserTrigger Před 4 lety +7

      Because Goku and Gohan did the rest of it out of the room of spirit and time, and it showed you didn't need any factor other than staying in SS for long periods of time. Vegeta could do that while grocery shopping and it would be about as effective.

    • @kanekipaine6465
      @kanekipaine6465 Před 4 lety +2

      I understand what all y’all are saying but I meant why didn’t they just stay in super saiyan all the time not just in the room of spirit and time but out in the real world too. Like in the buu arc or super they were all still in their base forms when they could’ve just chose to stay super saiyan to make it a permanent base form and lived their daily lives like that

    • @mdbz8357
      @mdbz8357 Před 4 lety +6

      Why would they keep it on all the time if they dont need it all the time? Just because they probably could doesnt mean its beneficial to stay in it 24/7. Plus, they usually like to start out slow in a fight and slowly increase to test themselves and their opponents.
      Also I believe in Super, while training with whis, they weren't allowed to use super saiyan so their base forms would get stronger.

  • @OperatorRaijinn
    @OperatorRaijinn Před 4 lety +7

    Goku- Has the strength, motive, and the heart to win a battle.
    Vegeta- Has the strength, The Brains, and the pride/motive to win a battle.

    • @OperatorRaijinn
      @OperatorRaijinn Před 4 lety

      Broly Banderas also I never said Vegeta’s more smarter than Goku. Read my shit again

  • @mikelxanadu
    @mikelxanadu Před 4 lety +17

    Oh, this’ll be juicy. Grab your popcorn!

    • @reno7178
      @reno7178 Před 3 lety

      M A I N P R O T A G O N I S R A B U S E T H O
      *dies in kamehameha*

  • @Pikachu19972
    @Pikachu19972 Před 4 lety +28

    If vegeta didn’t rely on power alone and had some new techniques then he would have a chance

    • @osamabinladen4325
      @osamabinladen4325 Před 3 lety

      vegeta relied on techinques in this arc and goku relied on power but still results are same goku won shitty writers

    • @waqasyounus4399
      @waqasyounus4399 Před 3 lety

      @Cell But it acts like a transformation and make you stronger a technique doesn`t make you stronger and he can`t use it

    • @beastgohan8332
      @beastgohan8332 Před 3 lety +3

      @@osamabinladen4325 lmao you fking mad go cry kid

    • @Lineproof
      @Lineproof Před 3 lety

      well now he has hakai, spirit fission and instant transmission sooooo

    • @reno7178
      @reno7178 Před 3 lety +1

      @@beastgohan8332 bro why being rude? also, are you somekind of goku fanboy?no offense, also the only real reason goku wins is not because hes strong-- i mean he IS, BUT.... PROTAGONIST POWER.

  • @XDrakeX1
    @XDrakeX1 Před 4 lety +17

    The problem here is that Vegeta knows everything about Goku and his fighting style. He wont be caught off guard by the instant transmission and such. So we have to take that into consideration. He is pretty smart. i doubt it will be that easy just to say that Goku would win because of his situational techniques. This kind of thinking is too simplistic.

    • @incorrectname2160
      @incorrectname2160 Před 4 lety +2

      XDrakeX1 exactly, vegeta has been watching goku and the way he fights, he knows pretty much his moves and his weakness, let’s not forget goku let’s his guards down, more times than vegeta. Even the god of destruction has hailed vegeta to be more skillful in battle of gods.

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 4 lety +6

      Guess what dummy? Goku is even more intelligent and also knows everything about Vegeta.

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 4 lety +3

      @@incorrectname2160 Goku has also been watching Vegeta, and WHEN did Beerus claim Vegeta was more skilled than Goku idiot? He only said Vegeta was more entertaining but this was just because he became STRONGER than Goku due to a rage boost, it's quite astonishing how your limited mind misunderstood what happened.

    • @solangeabreu100
      @solangeabreu100 Před 2 lety

      One is a bit stronger but equal tbh.

    • @krishnansubramoni7801
      @krishnansubramoni7801 Před rokem

      A bit late, but I would like to point out that
      The Instant Transmission just can't be countered in a normal way. Like with Hit's Time skip, Vegeta would need to outpower Goku and be really good at predicting where Goku would teleport to. Vegeta should be able to predict Goku's movements, but unfortunately, he can't outpower Goku enough for it to matter.

  • @andy-kg5fb
    @andy-kg5fb Před 4 lety +20

    Goku does not use God bind and Destructo disc that often. That won't change the output though but definitely make the battle more intense.

  • @sderrick68
    @sderrick68 Před 4 lety +37

    Ya know, I thought you would've examined their actual fighting skills and not just their Ki based techniques.
    I know that they aren't stated, but they do have real world martial arts roots in their fighting styles. Just off top of my head, if you watch more of their fights you can clearly see they have: Boxing, Karate, Kung Fu, Muay Thai, Taekwondo and Capoeria.
    And these are just examples in which both of them were relative or close in power in just the Goku vs Vegeta fight in the Buu saga.
    But that said, Goku probably can't even use God Bind with another attack though. Maybe for a long ranged grapple assault but that's it.

  • @UNerdz_
    @UNerdz_ Před 4 lety +27

    Y'all tripping, when it comes to str8 hand to hand combat, we comparing apples to oranges, this like comparing Mugen and Jin, from Samurai Champloo, sword fighting styles
    Vegeta is a better technical fighter, making direct strikes using only arms and legs and is lacking in improvisatory skills but is better defensively, Goku fights more freely using his entire body and whatever opening presents itself (i.e. biting) which leaves him with more opening defensively
    Neither one is better, each one just has its pros and cons in my opinion

    • @landendrake1696
      @landendrake1696 Před 4 lety +3

      I agree with this.

    • @kyosilver1999
      @kyosilver1999 Před 4 lety +3

      Thank you, yes this sums it it nicely, besides the whole point is that they constantly push each other constantly

    • @saylorisyourgod7512
      @saylorisyourgod7512 Před 4 lety

      Average_Joe nigga no

    • @aetherialbeing4223
      @aetherialbeing4223 Před 4 lety +3

      Urban_Nerdz_ I’m going to respond to this seriously since you put “Y’all tripping”, implying people were wrong.
      Goku has been shown to be a better martial artist and has a wider range of techniques that Vegeta can’t compete against. The god bind and destructo disk could easily be chained into a quick win, along with stuff like instant transmission and even the mafuba if you want to go all out. Compare this to Vegeta who has ki blasts and that’s about it. The final explosion was mentioned in this video so I’ll spare you from reading that if you already know about it.
      Goku has a more fluid fighting style and is a genuine martial artist, compared to Vegeta who is just a basic brawler with fighting experience and his own style

    • @UNerdz_
      @UNerdz_ Před 4 lety

      @@aetherialbeing4223 I was speaking more on hand to hand combat, techniques aside.
      To me Goku is more Jackie Chan to Vegeta's Jet Li, meaning Jackie always used what was the environment/circumstances gave him while Jet Li was more of a traditional martial artist, both brilliant fighters, just different styles

  • @TuckerBearPro
    @TuckerBearPro Před 4 lety +29

    I feel this will change soon in the next few manga chapters, as Vegeta completes his training with the Yadrats. Yadratians?

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 4 lety +11

      Maybe but he'd need to get something other than size change, multiplying, or teleportation. Goku could beat all of those with his arsenal (and has beat all of those in the past)

    • @chasescott7533
      @chasescott7533 Před 4 lety +4

      Also while he’s training with yardrats goku is trading for MUI

    • @TuckerBearPro
      @TuckerBearPro Před 4 lety +2

      @@chasescott7533 good point, probably should have thought of that before I made my claim😅😅

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 4 lety +2

      Oh! Of course this going to change dummy, you know how? By Goku having an even bigger advantage over Vegeta due to Ultra Instinct.

    • @kylereese1441
      @kylereese1441 Před 4 lety +1

      That's because Vegeta turned into a giant ape you dick head goku beat the she shit out of vegeta did you not watch that fight ? Why do you think he's so jealous of him

  • @IMTHERAZORSEDGE
    @IMTHERAZORSEDGE Před 4 lety +4

    I love how God Goku took that full-punch from Broly, then turned it into a beautiful armdrag slam

  • @SpectralNapper
    @SpectralNapper Před 4 lety +38

    I think id go for goku. He has a bit more power boosts because of gokus kaioken. Plus when gokus near death he access the power of UI and plus theirs boost like using kaioken on ssj and possible can use it on ssj2 ssj3 and ssjg just like super kaioken and ssjbkk-10-20

    • @justluck5970
      @justluck5970 Před 4 lety +3

      are you stupid??? He said fucking canon. Also he says Goku won't use ultra instinct in this fight. He also said No Kaioken. Are you actually slow or a fucking dumbass?

    • @wolfyman1
      @wolfyman1 Před 4 lety +1

      @@justluck5970 lol get mad child

    • @justluck5970
      @justluck5970 Před 4 lety +1

      @@wolfyman1 Sorry I just get so triggered when people state something that was said in the video that it won't happen. Like they try to comment their opinion trying to sound so smart.

    • @wolfyman1
      @wolfyman1 Před 4 lety +3

      @@justluck5970 he's not going against the video he's putting the two against each other in his own way, calling someone mentally slow over the internet is just idiotic.

    • @justluck5970
      @justluck5970 Před 4 lety +2

      @@wolfyman1 Carthu literally said No kaioken, No Ultra instinct. And this dude even thinks you can combine Ssj with ultra instinct? What the hell?

  • @ChiChiLand299
    @ChiChiLand299 Před 4 lety +9

    Power of Gokus Spirit bomb you got to remember is relative to his source of energy he's pulling from.in the tournament of power Vegeta's final flash might have been stronger but Goku was only drawing from a smaller number of people like if the battle took place on Earth Goku could probably created a much more powerful Spirit bomb. Of course he's still have to stand around he has personal experience with that with Vegeta

    • @rustedcrabtm6438
      @rustedcrabtm6438 Před 2 lety

      It was explicitly stated the spirit bomb in the TOP was made from all of universe 7 watch the episode again please

  • @seionmcgriff2447
    @seionmcgriff2447 Před 4 lety +14

    Goku winning with ease based on techniques alone is a overstatement

  • @mariocristiandociu4030
    @mariocristiandociu4030 Před 4 lety +12

    Tell me any scene except the TOP where goku used the destructo disk and the ki landmines

    • @ziggy2metalx720
      @ziggy2metalx720 Před 4 lety +2

      Mario Cristian Dociu against super Buu ( Gotenks absorbed) when he goes back to Earth after receiving the Potara

    • @mariocristiandociu4030
      @mariocristiandociu4030 Před 4 lety +2

      @@ziggy2metalx720 yea, but can you really say that destructo disk is in his moveset because he used it 2-3 times? Also the ki landmines acrually are a first time in the TOP

    • @painvillegaming4119
      @painvillegaming4119 Před 3 lety

      @@mariocristiandociu4030 didn't vegeta use the final flash like 3 times

    • @mariocristiandociu4030
      @mariocristiandociu4030 Před 3 lety +1

      @@painvillegaming4119 he spammed it in the TOP what are you talking about?

    • @painvillegaming4119
      @painvillegaming4119 Před 3 lety

      @@mariocristiandociu4030 and in Z he used once if this argument before super come out will we not included it ?

  • @crabcakes448
    @crabcakes448 Před 4 lety +7

    While everything you say takes quiiite a bit into account, I think it's downplaying Vegeta's battle smarts too much. There's a reason why they're rivals - and that's because they fill each other gaps when it comes to just about everything. Goku's also shown that he can be kind of cocky at times (Beerus flick), and there are plenty of ways for Vegeta to outright trick Goku into a disadvantageous situation (knocking him out in the Buu arc). So no, I don't think Goku is the overwhelming victor. Vegeta might be the underdog here, but I'm rooting for him on this one.

  • @youfirst6611
    @youfirst6611 Před 4 lety +6

    The reason why the god bind worked was because it was used on a much weaker opponent at the time. Brolys power was still rising as the battle was going and immediately after that Broly overpowered the technique. If it was used on vegeta all he would have to do is raise his power to equate to goku’s at the time the technique is used.

    • @TheFirstSSJ
      @TheFirstSSJ Před rokem

      This situation is based on them having equal power (as stated in the video), so he would not be able to break through it. Broly broke through it because he massively out-powered the technique.

    • @crimsonking4151
      @crimsonking4151 Před rokem

      @@TheFirstSSJ yeah but you can still raise your power level to break out binding techniques. Goku got out of vegeta’s rings by raising his power level and he broke out of vegeta’s full Nelson by raising his power level. That fight they both had equal stats.

  • @jirensentry7609
    @jirensentry7609 Před 4 lety +20

    I think the issue here is the title intent vs the actual focus:
    You indented to ask and then prove who was the better MA, but then focused on energy attacks. I'm from the 70s and so I'm an 80's 90's man. Martial Arts to me is Shaolin. It's Karate Kid. The Last Electric Dragon and so on. It's Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris going toe to toe. It's Mortal Combat without using energy attacks or using mostly physical techniques without energy attacks.
    In Naruto and Shippudden, it's not who is the better martial artist regarding physical attacks, but who is the better Taijutsuist, Ginjutsuist, or Ninjutsuist which collectively makes the better Ninja.
    There's the rub. You focused on their arsenal and skill of delivering that arsenal. You didn't focus on each fighter's physical prowess, intellectual and physical acumen of martial arts, of executing those techniques.
    The only allowance in that fight is SS transformations and no energy attacks. Arsenal attacks that are ninja-like can be used, but not destructive kind because such techniques are a matter of play, deception and distance creation as well as finishing moves.
    So if Vegeta gets a few dozen strikes on Goku and nearly topples him, Goku suddenly vibrating so fast that not only does Vegeta go right through him, Goku disappears afterwards and fully physically counters will represent MA acumen.
    That would be a part of martial arts, however, when asking such a question, it all becomes about the techniques of carrying out blocks, kicks, punches, throws, re-directional positioning and countering. This is true martial arts. All physical.
    No weapons of any kind. No poisons. No tricks. Only physical, intellectual skill.
    That answer is then fielded better:
    The winner is Goku.
    Although Goku had to recalculate and adjust to Vegeta's intense physical pressure thus really catching Goku with some intense and incredible moves, both fights show just how sharp Goku really is in fighting someone like Vegeta who did some cunning moves on Goku, but just couldn't execute and got stomped every time.
    Goku is physically stronger, has become faster or equal over time, has greater endurance and stamina and plows through doubtful moments. Goku is always looking for a way to win. That doesn't change simply in a martial arts brawl.
    Goku beat Frieza for like 46 seconds straight under speeds we can't imagine. And like Vegeta had to realize, Goku overall is more gifted than himself across the board - even MA intelligence, both having his own weakness.
    Yeah. Goku has that fight. But we will surely know that he fought Vegeta.

    • @sderrick68
      @sderrick68 Před 4 lety +2

      Thank you for stating this, I think this was going to be about this tbh.

    • @danielcooke3800
      @danielcooke3800 Před 4 lety +1

      U forgetting that Whis told Vegeta not Goku that he was a gifted fighter

    • @danielcooke3800
      @danielcooke3800 Před 4 lety +1

      The match would b a stalemate unless one gives up

    • @jirensentry7609
      @jirensentry7609 Před 4 lety +2

      @@danielcooke3800 No I didn't. Didn't need to. Think about why that is--- the same analysis Whis gave Vegeta segued into Whis demonstrating to Goku that his confidence makes him vulnerable to being a bit too relaxed. Whis didn't necessarily need to say to Goku that he was a gifted fighter, because he also pointed out why Goku was always ahead of him and Vegeta behind.
      Besides, the whole story proves Goku is a genius, gifted fighter. He learned the Kamehameha seeing it once, the same for the Kienzen, Solar Flare a d a number of other attack and defense techniques. The man even learned the Hakai Attack! Goku isn't as stupid as we think. I mean the man got Ultra Instinct! Why? Because that same weakness of being too relaxed that he can get caught off-guard is the same that allows him to us. Ultra Instinct.
      Finally, Vegeta, Gohan, King Kai, Supreme Kai, a number of others all have confirmed Goku's genius in combat and his combat brilliance.
      What more do you want?

    • @jirensentry7609
      @jirensentry7609 Před 4 lety

      @@sderrick68 💖

  • @chrisoverall8982
    @chrisoverall8982 Před 3 lety +1

    The biggest point to Goku being the better fighter is UI. The idea of UI is that your body moves to on its own due to its training.

  • @terrancebolin600
    @terrancebolin600 Před 4 lety +5

    Hand on Goku he’s a reactionist type fighter Vegeta is a better strategic fighter

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 3 lety +1

      You're an idiot, how is Vegeta a better strategic fighter? He barely uses strategies and relies on brute strenght while Goku uses strategies all the time. Vegeta fanboys really have a very low IQ.

  • @fluffything5865
    @fluffything5865 Před rokem +1

    Who is the better:
    martial artist (skill's) - goku
    fighter (strength) - vegeta
    done
    it's the whole point of vegeta, not be a "equal" to opponent but to bulldoze everyone, make guys fight in equal stats it's just not fair for prince, because he focused exactly on improve stats, while goku yes, focused on overall "skill" side

  • @CONJUREDDEATH
    @CONJUREDDEATH Před 4 lety +4

    Can we all agree to drop calling vegeta newest form ssb evolution and substitute for SSJ royal blue? I mean it's fitting for the prince afterall!

  • @oroboros2432
    @oroboros2432 Před 4 lety +1

    Goku is the OG. Goku will always in the end be the best.

  • @metaljay2896
    @metaljay2896 Před 4 lety +5

    You make amazing points, but lets not forget, goku has already always lost to vegeta. While he def has more technique, he is always known to fight for the thrill than for the win.
    Vegeta is a warrior mindset. And if it truly is a fight to the death, vegeta has the upper hand.
    Just some food for thought! Maybe use this for a part 2 video! Love to see more

  • @NASALunarLight
    @NASALunarLight Před 4 lety +1

    Goku fights for strength
    Vegeta fights for pride

  • @hereisjonny5710
    @hereisjonny5710 Před 4 lety +8

    4:10 That's not true. Vegeta used Final Flash for the first time against Recoome

    • @chasescott7533
      @chasescott7533 Před 4 lety +6

      No he didn’t

    • @tyuy100
      @tyuy100 Před 4 lety

      No

    • @hereisjonny5710
      @hereisjonny5710 Před 4 lety +1

      @@chasescott7533 Go Watch

    • @hereisjonny5710
      @hereisjonny5710 Před 4 lety +1

      @@tyuy100 Go Watch

    • @tyuy100
      @tyuy100 Před 4 lety +3

      @@hereisjonny5710 I know exactly what you're talking about, hand gestures =/= technique or move, as simple as that, otherwise the Big Bang would just be called big Ki Blast attack or vice versa

  • @strawhatkev
    @strawhatkev Před 4 lety +10

    Imagine making up Dragonball Xenoverse moves to fight with instead of acknowledging that Goku wouldn't do that combo of techniques regardless of what condition he's in.

  • @razzaaqwilliams3187
    @razzaaqwilliams3187 Před 4 lety +8

    Wait l thought ULTRA INSTINCT was a technique so why isn't it under Goku's technique lisit

    • @IMTHERAZORSEDGE
      @IMTHERAZORSEDGE Před 4 lety +8

      It's not reliable yet. He has to get it mastered a little first. Just Like Gohan's rage boosts. It's more like a survival-instinct adrenaline spike

    • @slattszn2412
      @slattszn2412 Před 4 lety

      It’s basically a bail out

    • @danielcooke3800
      @danielcooke3800 Před 4 lety

      Because anyone can learn it

    • @conductoid0308
      @conductoid0308 Před 3 lety

      @@danielcooke3800 Vegeta can never learn it

    • @chronic5577
      @chronic5577 Před 3 lety

      @@conductoid0308 That's because he's too conflicted. He overthinks. Goku, however, always makes openings. He's too relaxed.

  • @isaiahqjones2991
    @isaiahqjones2991 Před 4 lety +2

    I see it as Goku is a traditional fighter while Vegeta is a military fighter

    • @danielcooke3800
      @danielcooke3800 Před 4 lety

      Who did the Pride Troopers fear more?

    • @isaiahqjones2991
      @isaiahqjones2991 Před 4 lety

      @@danielcooke3800 idk I didn't watch super like that. But what does that have to do with what I said?

    • @gregkareem9824
      @gregkareem9824 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@danielcooke3800you still didn't answer the question

  • @miikox9338
    @miikox9338 Před 4 lety +18

    What if Goku Wasn't a Saiyan, PT 3
    *THE ANDROID SAGA*

  • @clovershot439
    @clovershot439 Před 4 lety +11

    Hello notif squad
    Omg I got an heart ❤️

  • @Ayatron34
    @Ayatron34 Před 4 lety +4

    God bind might not work on someone who's also at SSG as Vegeta would already be wreathed in god ki, so Goku putting more god ki on him might not do anything.

  • @gwynplane723
    @gwynplane723 Před 4 lety +1

    This isn't even a fair question, Goku is a WAY better fighter than Vegeta. Everything about Goku's style is the perfecting of technique and battle tactics. Vegeta just barrels in trying to win with overwhelming force which is why he's always quick to get reamed by superior fighters. Goku's battle analysis arguably has NO equal in all of Dragon Ball outside of the perhaps the angels.

  • @saalim5098
    @saalim5098 Před 4 lety +27

    Mafuba still does take away a lot of your opponent’s stamina, as seen when trunks used it on zamasu.

    • @alfrancisvictorm.sapanta1628
      @alfrancisvictorm.sapanta1628 Před 3 lety +3

      Well if watched the series you would know zamasu is indestructible right? That includes his stamina

  • @johnzahm193
    @johnzahm193 Před 2 lety +1

    Goku is a martial artist and vegeta is a street brawler, both are very experienced in combat but goku has a wider skillset and a better understanding of ki control

  • @BrianTDG
    @BrianTDG Před 4 lety +3

    Forgot to add that goku can use Destruction, he did so in the manga against zamasu and that would be his last resort as final explosion is vegetas.

  • @HaiseKuromeruMMD
    @HaiseKuromeruMMD Před 4 lety +1

    Goku may not be academic smart but he is a battle genius and open-minded to try new things unlike who only recently is trying new things like going to yardrat to train.

  • @xerocity9079
    @xerocity9079 Před 4 lety +4

    hey carthu i dont think youve done this so can you do a what if goku was sent to frieza planet thank you and i love your vids

  • @yagadibooz8154
    @yagadibooz8154 Před 4 lety +2

    I freaking hate how Goku gets all the forms and has the upperhand and shit. Vegeta trains freaking hard his entire life just like Goku, but the only reason Goku has the upperhand is because of the damn plot, i mean cmon everytime Goku is losing to the villain Akira literally gives him a new form every freaking time man. Vegeta deserves better

    • @powerdrake2906
      @powerdrake2906 Před 4 lety +2

      I agree with your entire statement. Goku loses and gets a new form, vegeta loses and...gets nothing. Vegeta dragged himself through sheer effort to gokus level, with half the amount of useful techniques or different masters. He did it all himself. God i just want to see vegeta snap and kill goku one day

    • @yagadibooz8154
      @yagadibooz8154 Před 4 lety +2

      @@powerdrake2906 You sir, have earned my respect.

    • @treycash8876
      @treycash8876 Před 2 lety

      Vegeta fans are loosers

  • @max-alainpierre-pierre3829

    You underestimate Vegeta's overall awareness and concentration during combat. With Goku having all these moves and techniques, but never once overcoming Vegeta in a fight except with strength (Kaioken in Saiyen Saga) tells a lot about Vegeta's concentration and awareness.

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 4 lety +3

      What the fuck are you talking about? " overall awareness and concentration"? Goku and Vegeta have only fought two times dumbass, Goku has always shown to be far mroe intelligent and skilled fighter but the power gap was too big so he had to use the Kaioken, and in the second fight, they were evenly matched, he did not use higher power as they were EQUAL. Your lack of intelligence is clearly visible.

    • @misou8300
      @misou8300 Před 2 lety

      @@brolybanderas42 I think it's just a fact that Goku's the less intelligent one between the two of them, not just in combat but as a whole

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 2 lety

      @@misou8300 Lol, nope, Goku has always shown to be far more intelligent than Vegeta in combat and training, anyone with an average intelligence capable of analizing such a simple series would realize such an obvious thing. Goku is always using strategies and finding more and more ways of improving while Vegeta relies on brute strength and does the same over and over again.

    • @misou8300
      @misou8300 Před 2 lety

      @@brolybanderas42 I'm talking about their smarts and strategy, not their training

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 2 lety

      ​@@misou8300 I know you are and so am I, did you not read what I said? I said combat and training, not only training, It's mind blowing you didn't understand what I said. Goku has always shown to be far more intelligent in combat and training friend, he's always using strategies and anyone smart enough can see it. You clearly don't know how to analize the series if you think Vegeta is even close to Goku's level.

  • @eamparbeng
    @eamparbeng Před 4 lety +1

    Vegeta not having enough time to charge his final flash attack? Well knowing the bullshitting that prevails throughout the series, he'd have enough time

  • @fatenb3633
    @fatenb3633 Před 3 lety +4

    tbh i think vegeta would win in a fight since he is stronger in base strength but after goku got ultra instinct......idrk

  • @DL6778
    @DL6778 Před 4 lety +1

    Vegeta is the best fighter, but Goku has the better fighting sense. Which makes Goku the fighter that would win in a fair fight between this two fighters.

  • @hermz8616
    @hermz8616 Před 4 lety +7

    Spoilers: Vegeta wins!
    Where my Vegeta squad at? :’(

  • @NocSlays
    @NocSlays Před 2 lety +1

    I say Goku is the much better fighter since he has so many different techniques in his arsenal taught to him.

  • @sonicthehedgehog3597
    @sonicthehedgehog3597 Před 4 lety +9

    I'm always a Goku fan. He's got that cool voice ,cool hair, cool clothes,cool transformations and techniques.

  • @takahirouchiha4371
    @takahirouchiha4371 Před 4 lety +1

    I agree someone finally understands How Goku is better than Vegeta It all makes sense

  • @RapidBlaze89
    @RapidBlaze89 Před 3 lety +3

    We need a updated version of this because of vegetas new hakai instant transmission and forced sprit fission abilities

    • @Yedolf-0638
      @Yedolf-0638 Před 2 lety +1

      Forced Spirit Fission won't work on Goku since he's didn't absorb someone or something or fuse with them, Vegeta said he's not able to use Instant Transmisson again probably because he 's not inerested in mastering it and Hakai won't really do anything since we saw Goku survive it in base plus he also knows how to use Hakai so nothing really changes Goku still wins

  • @Theseekerofinfinite
    @Theseekerofinfinite Před 2 lety +2

    My one note on this is that the analysis based on techniques and experience is pretty good, but I think it worth considering as well how their canon fights and spars actually went. Ignoring the points where they clearly had huge power differences like their first fight, once they settled into being true rivals story wise, after the Cell Saga, and hence can be considered more ore less on par with each other in base, their equal fights always seem to favor Vegeta slightly. At least to my perception, their SSJ2 fight was slightly in Vegeta's favor until Buu's emergence let him get in a cheap shot and the only other serious fight between the two (by proxy) is in Super with the Commeson which stole Vegeta's power and fighting ability, which had Goku on the back foot until its core was destroyed.

  • @sidew8ys
    @sidew8ys Před 4 lety +3

    I would say clearly Goku lol

  • @robertjustice75
    @robertjustice75 Před 4 lety +1

    The fact that vegeta came out and said that goku is the superior fighter multiple time and says goku is always a step ahead of him even in super that should tell you who’s better

  • @DKwildrift
    @DKwildrift Před 4 lety +7

    This is too calculated. Dragon Ball has never been calculated.

    • @Extrasailor
      @Extrasailor Před 4 lety

      Oh God, You Spoke the truth, soo deep!

  • @SuperSaiyanMaster2024
    @SuperSaiyanMaster2024 Před 4 lety +2

    Goku. He's been training and fighting way before Vegeta came along.

  • @iatesoap2292
    @iatesoap2292 Před 4 lety +3

    Really? We all know it’s Yamcha.

  • @bettomanv337
    @bettomanv337 Před 2 lety +1

    Goku would win if it wasn't a death match if it was a death match Vegeta would take the W. Goku is to trusting and doesn't have that killer instinct. Vegeta knows this and would exploit it and finish Goku off.

  • @MonkeyDBoomE
    @MonkeyDBoomE Před 4 lety +3

    How does Goku have more experience when Vegeta is older and has been going from planet to planet for the majority of his life? I don't disagree with the final verdict, just little/big details that gotchu there. Also, it took all of Goku's focus to use the god-bind. Using that technique is only a stalemate.

    • @rustedcrabtm6438
      @rustedcrabtm6438 Před 2 lety

      Goku actually studied martial arts

    • @krishnansubramoni7801
      @krishnansubramoni7801 Před rokem

      Amount of experience and quality of experience are not the same. Sheer quantity will help of course, but quality will always win in the end. Plus Vegeta's mindset up until the start of the Namek saga would be a significant deterrent to a lot of good learning experiences he otherwise could have had with all his planet hopping. Meanwhile Goku not only has a very healthy growth mindset, he is also very lucky to have had the best teachers at every point in his training.

  • @alecjohnson2864
    @alecjohnson2864 Před 4 lety +1

    I definitely wouldn’t give Goku the easy win. Goku definitely does have the better arsenal but if Vegeta can easily outlast Goku. Think about it, it would be down to SSBE vs SSBKKx20. Kaioken would screw Goku over and he’d run out of energy way quicker than Vegeta if he doesn’t manage to land a destructo disc and kill him.

  • @domagoj1573
    @domagoj1573 Před 4 lety +7

    I said goku from start but i think if vegeta had all those masters he would be much better than goku but yeah im a vegeta fan so i always like vegeta more

    • @PlayerJay425
      @PlayerJay425 Před 4 lety +3

      Vegeta would be a monster if he had goku’s training. Goku got roughly 208 times stronger from birth (power level of 2) to adulthood(power level 416) in the saiyan saga. If Vegeta had the same boost from birth (I calculated vegeta’s power level by taking the statement of Vegeta being stronger than his dad as a child along with using goku’s growth curve from arriving on earth. 12 years which is a child) he would had a power of at least 2000 (since goku got 5 times stronger from birth to the start of the series)at birth then roughly 416k (not including zenkai)at the time he was goku’s age. This doesn’t even include goku’s afterlife training if Vegeta had that and had similar growth his power would be in the billions bare minimum

    • @domagoj1573
      @domagoj1573 Před 4 lety

      @@PlayerJay425 yup my dude but from start of the vid i knew it was goku and i also think vegeta would be annoyed to train the kame style

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 4 lety

      @@PlayerJay425 Being born stronger does not mean you have more potential than someone who was born weaker, only an imbecile would come up with such logic.

  • @DeathKingRecords
    @DeathKingRecords Před 4 lety +2

    One thing im not sure has been mentioned is the fact that both Goku and Vegeta are very well aware of eachothers fighting styles and techniques and I believe that also should play a big part in how the battle would go down they wouldnt fight eachother as they would other enemies who are nowhere near as familiar as they are and as most people have said already Vegeta is very skilled in the mental aspects of fighting and knowing Goku and the way he fights means he can also expliot weaknesses that others may not know about. This can also be said about Goku as well and was actually mentioned in Super when they did some training before the TOP in the time chamber Goku mentions that training with Vegeta showed him many of his weaknesses with his fighting style and vegeta admitted it (even if it was through his thoughts) that training with Goku has shown him his weaknesses as well. I believe Goku could win but it wouldnt be as cut and dry as it may seem by just looking at stats and techniques. It's as they say Knowledge is Power.

  • @Naokarma
    @Naokarma Před 4 lety +3

    0:45 looking at transformations would defeat the purpose anyways

  • @Theyluvdas
    @Theyluvdas Před 4 lety +1

    Goku’s ki landmines and GOD BIND count but Vegeta’s ki rings don’t? Uh huh 😂

    • @ltzeu8510
      @ltzeu8510 Před 4 lety

      He's arguing from a point of canon so yeah it's not being used, you can give Vegeta the rings if you want but the god bind is much easier to actually use in battle.

  • @trescott2686
    @trescott2686 Před 4 lety +4

    how did vegeta copy goku when he was training with whis first ? 🤔🤔

  • @sixqm2
    @sixqm2 Před 2 lety +1

    i find it weird how people say goku has more experience... vegeta is literally the prince of saiyans who conquered planets as a kid (you didnt say that, im just saying)

    • @brendobrando3277
      @brendobrando3277 Před rokem

      Because Goku has fought different warriors from all over the universe in the otherworld tournament, and Goku also has had more martial arts teachers and has fought people with much better Mastery over martial arts

  • @vaip.883
    @vaip.883 Před 4 lety +8

    The protagonist is always going to win lol just the way the plot is setup

  • @danielcooke3800
    @danielcooke3800 Před 4 lety +1

    Wrong... It would b equal Whis commented that Vegeta is a gifted fighter but is one step behind Goku because he is "up tight and too anxious, whilst Goku is too sure of himself, easily caught off-guard in battle. "

  • @miswaridi4962
    @miswaridi4962 Před 4 lety +3

    ....So we just gon act like Ultra Instinct isn’t a thing?

    • @jforgotten2620
      @jforgotten2620 Před 4 lety

      Yeah, cuz he cant do it on his own

    • @flameagar8995
      @flameagar8995 Před 4 lety +1

      @@jforgotten2620 and how bout blue evolution can vegeta do that on his own cuz i never saw it after super

    • @jforgotten2620
      @jforgotten2620 Před 4 lety +1

      @@flameagar8995 he went into it at will Multiple times when ever goku did kaioken. While goku only went into UI once and it wasnt even mastered. But then he said he couldnt do it AT ALL so I guess it's irrelevant anyway

    • @flameagar8995
      @flameagar8995 Před 4 lety +1

      @@jforgotten2620 ya so i mean if vegeta doesn't have that form then goku would stomp then

    • @jforgotten2620
      @jforgotten2620 Před 4 lety

      @@flameagar8995 seems it

  • @allthatihave14
    @allthatihave14 Před 3 lety +1

    I’m a Huge Vegeta fan but he’s more of a brute and Gorky is more of a quick thinker that’s where he shines.

  • @KINGJELLYGAMING
    @KINGJELLYGAMING Před 2 lety +3

    Vegeta's hairline is just better than goku

  • @kookkook2476
    @kookkook2476 Před 3 lety +2

    smarter : vegeta power:goku

  • @dickgori2623
    @dickgori2623 Před 4 lety +3

    Tien and Roshi are better "Fighters" than them, but they lack the power and speed to back it up, piccolo is also better than them on a pure technical level

    • @nanner6335
      @nanner6335 Před 4 lety

      N no

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 4 lety

      How are Piccolo and Tien better than Goku?

    • @dickgori2623
      @dickgori2623 Před 4 lety

      @@brolybanderas42 They showcase more skill as martial artists and strategists in their fights, the only reason goku ever beat them is because of plot armor, or Saiyan endurance, like his fight with Tien in the 22nd tournament Goku only won because he took more damage than any other character there could hope to survive. Like if it was Roshi getting hit by a dodon ray and a massive ass beating in the beginning of the match, he wouldn't just bounce up and go "That was interesting..."

    • @brolybanderas42
      @brolybanderas42 Před 3 lety

      @@dickgori2623 No friend, they're not, and stop talking about "plot armor" because that is an invalid aegument since it's an out of universe explanation, WHEN has Piccolo shown to be a better strategist than Goku? Both Goku and Piccolo use strategies all the time, if anything Goku is more strategist since he has more feats of doing that. You mentioning plot armor just proves how bad of a debater you are.

    • @dickgori2623
      @dickgori2623 Před 3 lety

      @@brolybanderas42 You spent that many months coming up with just that?
      I shouldn't even need to say anything here, did you watch the show? then you should know that Goku rarely if ever wins a fight against someone unless he is just blatantly stronger than them. A higher power level generously gifted to him by his saiyan heritage and god ki. and the best training mortals can get.
      Yet here we got piccolo, discovering his own techniques, using clever tactics in combat, heck when was the last time you saw Goku do anything like the Hellzone grenade? or focusing all his ki into his finger tips to do an attack vastly stronger than himself? Goku's moveset is all about POWER and being STRONGER than his opponents, put him on the same level as someone, super saiyan doesn't matter, ultra instinct won't trigger, and blue is a non factor. He hits as hard as piccolo and piccolo hits as hard as him... how will goku win?

  • @sebotrp
    @sebotrp Před 4 lety +2

    Goku actually knows martial arts. I say he's the better fighter here.

    • @jimjones5059
      @jimjones5059 Před 4 lety +1

      The prince learn a fighting style. Remember when he beating brolly ass.

    • @popcornman6993
      @popcornman6993 Před 4 lety

      @@jimjones5059 we all know without powers Batman beating everyone ass hand to hand

  • @moremoney1765
    @moremoney1765 Před 4 lety +7

    Plot twist : vegeta is better he beat goku every fight they had

    • @crimsonsamurai6770
      @crimsonsamurai6770 Před 4 lety

      More Money that was because they had different stats. This video is if they had equal stats

    • @MAR-sc7np
      @MAR-sc7np Před 4 lety

      @@crimsonsamurai6770 if? They do

    • @demongawl
      @demongawl Před 4 lety +1

      Not really, he agreed to end the fight to address Buu. Then hit Goku from behind, that’s not a defeat, the fight was already over. Besides neither fight had them as equals. Vegeta was over twice as strong as Goku during their first fight, even the. Goku beat his ass. Vegeta can’t go Great Ape anymore. But during their second fight Goku had SSJ3 meaning he was already superior and could’ve ended Vegeta’s whole career with one shot.
      He’s talking about them facing off with equal stats, and with that Goku has the advantage.

    • @crimsonsamurai6770
      @crimsonsamurai6770 Před 4 lety

      mr saitama they do not

    • @MAR-sc7np
      @MAR-sc7np Před 4 lety

      @@crimsonsamurai6770 wdym? There both equal in power,speed the only thing is that goku has better technique

  • @courtneysmith1561
    @courtneysmith1561 Před 3 lety +1

    Goku gets powerful forms and when vegeta gets more powerful Goku becomes stronger

  • @jpachuta164
    @jpachuta164 Před 4 lety +6

    Goku’s Genkidama was much stronger than vegeta’s final flash ...

    • @abdullmuhammad7397
      @abdullmuhammad7397 Před 4 lety

      ?

    • @MattRuthless
      @MattRuthless Před 4 lety +4

      Jiren was floored by Vegeta's final flash, where as Jiren shrugged off kakarots' Genkidama and actually injured himself...

    • @BigHeadClan
      @BigHeadClan Před 4 lety +1

      Jirden blinked the spirit bomb away.... It also uses others energy and has a longer charge time and doesn't hurt those pure of heart.
      The Final flash vegeta used knocked Jiren on his ass and got him complements.

  • @tweso1499
    @tweso1499 Před 4 lety +1

    That was pretty good analysis of the two main Saiyans Goku and Vegeta. While it may have left out battle ingenuity as well as combat tactics, I would agree that Goku would take a good majority of the battle, though it will be very close bouts that only through exploiting Vegeta’s pride in a way that would be counter productive to Vegeta’s MO.
    On another note, I like these types of videos, and I am both intrigued and hopeful for more of these types of comparison videos. For instance Golden Frieza vs Goku Black

  • @Diodevito
    @Diodevito Před 4 lety +6

    Vegeta has never lost against Goku but Vegeta has always beat Goku when they've fought

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 4 lety +5

      The first time Vegeta had a ridiculous power advantage and the second time Goku was holding back because he knew Vegeta wasn't really evil. Neither are good examples.

    • @alexbasha0508
      @alexbasha0508 Před 4 lety

      ^

    • @Diodevito
      @Diodevito Před 4 lety +3

      @@CarthusDojo a win is a win. Just like in any competition of the opponent doesn't win then guess what? It means they lost. What you're using are excuses.

    • @ok-bo8ml
      @ok-bo8ml Před 4 lety

      herbitovar1 and what you’re using is unreliable and irrelevant information

    • @Diodevito
      @Diodevito Před 4 lety

      @@ok-bo8ml please explain how leaving Goku broken and defeated and winning against him is unreliable and irrelevant? Please. Because that sounds like a victory to me

  • @jasonblack2477
    @jasonblack2477 Před 4 lety +1

    I think we all saw in dbs broly who was better. Goku fought way better than vegeta in my opinion.

  • @SegaDreamWarrior
    @SegaDreamWarrior Před 4 lety +6

    As a Dragonball series fan from the beginning, I feel that this video is pretty biased

    • @animeproductions5866
      @animeproductions5866 Před 4 lety +4

      if u were a fan from dragon ball u would know the amount of smart martial arts training goku has done before vegeta came episodes later dragon ball was goku's build up as a protagonist character before vegeta came in z explain how it is biased because your favorite character is weaker when there was no build up just character history and development

    • @dingdongmyopinioniswrong7046
      @dingdongmyopinioniswrong7046 Před 4 lety

      I mean of course Goku has to be stronger or else he wouldn't fit the role of protagonist.

  • @landendrake1696
    @landendrake1696 Před 4 lety +1

    I kept getting lost looking at Goku & Vegeta shintani style. It's so damn good 😭😭😭.