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  • What If Vegeta became immortal on Namek and never turned good?
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    On Namek, many characters collided paths as they were all hunting for the Namekian Dragon Balls. The Earthlings sought to revive their friends who perished in the Saiyan Arc. The maniacal emperor Freeza sought to gain immortality. Finally, Vegeta sought to thwart Freeza’s plans, and in the process get immortality for himself. This leads to the game of cat and mouse that dominates most of the Namek Arc until every party mentioned is finally facing each other down when Porunga is summoned. What if Vegeta got his wish? What if Vegeta became immortal?
    After watching the video feel free to leave any and all counter points in the comments below - I love a good discussion.
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  • @CarthusDojo
    @CarthusDojo  Před 4 lety +163

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    • @pantiogames
      @pantiogames Před 4 lety +1

      Vegeta even imortal, can´t survive Hakai, in the manga, Goku almost kill Imortal Zamusu with that , and in that context is the Super Dragon Balls Imortal Wish, the Hakai destroys the Soul, so this mean that in the best case scenario, a imortal , been hit with the hakai, would just be a indestruble body, lifeless without a soul.

    • @zombathinlostleghackercat5233
      @zombathinlostleghackercat5233 Před 4 lety +2

      My top 3 favorite "What if" Dragon Ball CZcamsrs:
      #1.) SaladSaiyan
      #2.) Carthu's Dojo
      #3.) MasikoX

    • @thatpart5085
      @thatpart5085 Před 4 lety

      Carthu’s Dojo wouldn’t future Gohan go to earth instead of Trunks then? Or do you think he dies because Vegeta wasn’t there to fight the Androids at all?

    • @notdom7049
      @notdom7049 Před 4 lety +1

      Goku wouldn't get the heart virus if he died on namek because he only caught the virus from being in the toxic planet of yardrat

    • @abhinavchowdarymakkena9550
      @abhinavchowdarymakkena9550 Před 4 lety +1

      The heart Virus is not an issue right, as Goku never went to that planet?

  • @lucariol7989
    @lucariol7989 Před rokem +515

    "have you considered the implications?"
    -Gohan

    • @RatstoMen
      @RatstoMen Před rokem +78

      "Have you considered the implications?"
      -Krillin

    • @furchad3574
      @furchad3574 Před rokem +80

      “Have you considered the implications?”
      -Frieza

    • @brayden9358
      @brayden9358 Před rokem +72

      "have you considered the implications?'"
      -Goku

    • @interestingchannelname
      @interestingchannelname Před rokem +16

      ​@@brayden9358 have you considered the implications? -android 18

    • @brayden9358
      @brayden9358 Před rokem +19

      @@interestingchannelname lol I'm pretty sure everyone else is quoting the video "Vegeta's big wish" which android 18 is not in, unless I am missing something here.

  • @theultimatememelord5494
    @theultimatememelord5494 Před 3 lety +1165

    "Vegeta would forever float through space, begging for a death that would never come. Eventually, Vegeta stopped thinking."

    • @dolphinloverjotaro5718
      @dolphinloverjotaro5718 Před 3 lety +110

      My grandpa told me the same thing as you but instead of vegeta it was a vampire named kars

    • @theultimatememelord5494
      @theultimatememelord5494 Před 3 lety +21

      @@dolphinloverjotaro5718 That's the point. They had the same fate.

    • @dolphinloverjotaro5718
      @dolphinloverjotaro5718 Před 3 lety +13

      @@theultimatememelord5494 so what will vegeta think when they meet each other will kars return to earth with the help of vegeta?

    • @theultimatememelord5494
      @theultimatememelord5494 Před 3 lety +8

      @@dolphinloverjotaro5718 For the sake of the planet, let's hope not.

    • @Listlesseye
      @Listlesseye Před 2 lety +18

      jojo reference is hot, but also vegeta would be able to generate ki to heat his body and would just have to beccome used to the pain plus the infinite zenki boost = a monster

  • @TxCoby
    @TxCoby Před 4 lety +2238

    Dam, imagine dying and reviving constantly in the vacuum of space, seems like hell

    • @IndigoStorm27
      @IndigoStorm27 Před 4 lety +442

      Vegeta: "Work... through... the... Pain..."

    • @AGooeyMass
      @AGooeyMass Před 4 lety +260

      Imagine if he somehow became stronger than the void of space? :P

    • @GaldenX
      @GaldenX Před 4 lety +158

      Hey Kars from Jojo did it and he turned out terribly.

    • @IndigoStorm27
      @IndigoStorm27 Před 4 lety +183

      @@GaldenX Eventually, Vegeta stopped thinking.

    • @bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368
      @bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368 Před 4 lety +84

      * gets to earth * UNDO THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW

  • @papiaundreay9313
    @papiaundreay9313 Před 4 lety +1263

    Vegeta is the definition of what doesn't kill me makes me stronger

    • @BRONZETOAST
      @BRONZETOAST Před 4 lety +4

      You got that profile picture from they don't want to see me fall amv

    • @papiaundreay9313
      @papiaundreay9313 Před 4 lety +18

      @@BRONZETOAST I got it off google images...

    • @BRONZETOAST
      @BRONZETOAST Před 4 lety +10

      @@papiaundreay9313 who pit that scar on your back kakarot, was it chi chi

    • @deez2037
      @deez2037 Před 4 lety +2

      LOL FR! xD

    • @HornetsNinja
      @HornetsNinja Před 4 lety +6

      No saiyans

  • @nathanchao-lam8849
    @nathanchao-lam8849 Před 4 lety +579

    CZcams: How many times do we need to teach you this lesson old man

  • @deltalord6969
    @deltalord6969 Před 4 lety +1624

    Zenkai boost plus immortality would be op up until the battle of gods arc.

    • @ScamBender
      @ScamBender Před 4 lety +11

      @Irfan Alddin yes omg yes

    • @Rapid98k
      @Rapid98k Před 4 lety +89

      Zenkai boost won't work I assume. He is immortal so he can't be near death, or can he?

    • @SaiyanGamer14
      @SaiyanGamer14 Před 4 lety +6

      @Irfan Alddin tf is this weird fanfiction shit youre speaking

    • @maxplays9187
      @maxplays9187 Před 4 lety +14

      @@Rapid98k He will still get stronger

    • @c.k-da-kxnghere
      @c.k-da-kxnghere Před 4 lety +61

      Irfan Alddin even if he’s continuously getting hurt, healing be healing and getting stronger as frieza loses power from exertion. It would soon be over for frieza like a day later

  • @general_pepito
    @general_pepito Před rokem +110

    *vegeta gains immortality*
    "But did you consider the implications..."

  • @TheJts1234
    @TheJts1234 Před 4 lety +467

    ​I'd have thought gohan would have been careful if there was no trunks as a back up hope

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 4 lety +63

      Maybe but I doubt it. He was trying too hard to be Goku

    • @TheJts1234
      @TheJts1234 Před 4 lety +25

      @@CarthusDojo I do wonder what a time traveling gohan would mean for this scenario, say it worked, would it just end with beerus destroying earth because they couldnt make a super saiyan god, or would broly be brought into the fold?

    • @ojpickle5923
      @ojpickle5923 Před 4 lety +5

      @@VarietySeth thats all assuming paragus wants to live on earth. Its verry possible but also remember Paragus is an old fassion sayain he might WANT to go in space and go planet to planet doing sayain things, maby even volunteering to join the Frieza Force since bro he would give him a very high position wich is also very possible with Paragus old fashioned way of thinking how a sayain should act

    • @stephgames4036
      @stephgames4036 Před 4 lety

      @@CarthusDojo Goku wouldn't get the heart virus

    • @redhunter8731
      @redhunter8731 Před 4 lety

      @@stephgames4036 why not? It's an Earth virus.

  • @TheJadeFist
    @TheJadeFist Před 4 lety +35

    I kinda imagine Frieza to be a bit smarter. He would stop and simply tank the hits as Vegeta wails on him to no avail. Maybe experiment with dismemberment and immortality. He can't die but he still doesn't have infinite stamina. Maybe even toss Vegeta into deep space.

    • @ShiningJudgment666
      @ShiningJudgment666 Před 3 lety +7

      Frieza wasn't that smart at that point in time plus I'm pretty sure he was enraged which would've clouded his judgment anyway.

  • @taylonjohnson2703
    @taylonjohnson2703 Před rokem +69

    Vegeta should have thought of the implications of becoming immortal

  • @dbzfan-og3qx
    @dbzfan-og3qx Před rokem +22

    "Ok, but did you consider the implications?"

  • @clover9336
    @clover9336 Před 4 lety +743

    Imagine vegeta got zenkais from lack of oxygen he would be so op!!!!!!!!

    • @joeldoxtator9804
      @joeldoxtator9804 Před 4 lety +157

      I'm imagining him gaining so much power that it eventually collapses in upon itself like a black hole. Vegeta literally becoming his own galaxy.

    • @phrog7974
      @phrog7974 Před 4 lety +69

      Good thing that’s not how zenkais work lmao

    • @CydonianKnights11
      @CydonianKnights11 Před 4 lety +97

      Eventually he would evolve to breath in space.

    • @theonlychickensama8353
      @theonlychickensama8353 Před 4 lety +34

      @@CydonianKnights11 but that would take soo long lol

    • @theonlychickensama8353
      @theonlychickensama8353 Před 4 lety

      @Nathan Terrelonge-Tillery Raaaaa!!!

  • @Spadeaswell
    @Spadeaswell Před 4 lety +212

    “While Vegeta is floating in space, for, what he thinks, till the end of time, he spots a weird statue float by him. He gives it no attention and goes about his infinite loop of suffocating in space.”

  • @chaosfire321
    @chaosfire321 Před 2 lety +38

    If he was floating in space for months/years on end, constantly suffocating and reviving, Vegeta would skyrocket in power...but go utterly insane. It's like an even more unhinged Broly.

    • @michaelasnicar6684
      @michaelasnicar6684 Před rokem +5

      he can definitely make it to another planet cuz hes immortal and can still use ki while suffocating

    • @souptikchakraborty2004
      @souptikchakraborty2004 Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​@@michaelasnicar6684exactly what i was thinking of

  • @saalim5098
    @saalim5098 Před 4 lety +214

    If immortality in DB is basically extremely fast healing, wouldnt that mean that Vegeta can't heal without oxygen?

    • @makotonaegi4419
      @makotonaegi4419 Před 4 lety +39

      Well if your entire body gets erasesd is there really any oxygen.

    • @illbadger2076
      @illbadger2076 Před 4 lety +7

      Luis Suazo has anyone ever tried that. I’ve always thought that maybe you could kill Deadpool by drowning him. You can kill wolverine by drowning him though

    • @bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368
      @bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368 Před 4 lety +7

      @@illbadger2076 you can?! How does that work

    • @Spingerex
      @Spingerex Před 4 lety

      @@bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368 The same way it works on any other normal Joe

    • @alexramos7708
      @alexramos7708 Před 2 lety +6

      @@av8r195 encasing wolverine in adamantium killed him. Cells need Oxygen to function, if his cells can't function then he can't regenerate.

  • @snirambaya9587
    @snirambaya9587 Před 4 lety +273

    Imagine the amount of zenkais Vegeta gets every minute in space.

    • @deez2037
      @deez2037 Před 4 lety +2

      LMFAO fr! xD

    • @deez2037
      @deez2037 Před 4 lety +17

      @Luis Suazo True tho. Zenkais only work for near death experiences, not death.

    • @deez2037
      @deez2037 Před 4 lety +7

      Unfortunately for him, however, zenkais ONLY work for NEAR death experiences, and NOT death.

    • @syn3475
      @syn3475 Před 4 lety +5

      ZeroCold Gg the floor is made of floor but not really

    • @decimation9780
      @decimation9780 Před 3 lety +19

      《反抗的な心火》 As far as immortal beings are concerned, any normally fatal blow only brings them to near death, so anything that would normally end their life soon, or instantly, instead brings them to near death. And because they’re immortal, they immediately regenerate their wounds and are brought back from the brink of death. There’s a reason Toriyama decided against giving Vegeta immortality and had Guru die before Vegeta could make his wish, as even he realized just how dangerous a Saiyan with immortality could become.

  • @RobertoBlake
    @RobertoBlake Před 4 lety +245

    Congrats on 100K!

  • @griffinhoffman6746
    @griffinhoffman6746 Před 3 lety +54

    Feels like after years of dieing every few minutes he should have been more of a challenge for the destroyer. I know it's only base form but it's a really, really stong base form at that point.

  • @bundleization
    @bundleization Před 4 lety +346

    They didnt wish his immortality away?

    • @shaft2139
      @shaft2139 Před 4 lety +149

      They couldn't because vegeta was stronger than shenron and porunga and they didn't know about the super dragon balls. The only way vegeta could lose his immortality is by wishing himself

    • @AGooeyMass
      @AGooeyMass Před 4 lety +19

      ​@@shaft2139 Couldn't they just wish that a vacuum zone would surround Vegeta at all times?
      Then it wouldn't matter if he made it to a breathable atmosphere.

    • @davidlarkin1040
      @davidlarkin1040 Před 4 lety +59

      @@AGooeyMass the Z-Fighters aren't exactly the smartest. They could have used the Dragon Balls to wipe the Saiyans memories when they were coming in the Saiyan Saga.

    • @TheGotreck
      @TheGotreck Před 4 lety +8

      @@davidlarkin1040 they couldn't the sayans where stronger than shenron so he couldn't mess with them

    • @davidlarkin1040
      @davidlarkin1040 Před 4 lety +11

      @@TheGotreck makes sense... but the Saiyans aren't the smartest mentally, couldn't Shenron manipulate their minds, just not their bodies?

  • @The_Dying_Jokester
    @The_Dying_Jokester Před 4 lety +219

    I was thinking it would be vegeta kills everyone and becomes ruler of the universe

    • @triforceofcourage100
      @triforceofcourage100 Před 4 lety +2

      Nah that’s kinda Masako’s take on the story of if Vegeta stayed evil

    • @Hello-sy7eu
      @Hello-sy7eu Před 4 lety +1

      Anikan Ketchum then Zeno erases him in the end

    • @Pusfilth
      @Pusfilth Před 4 lety

      Insertnamehere wtf are you talking about? At all ends after the buu saga..

    • @gmanbozdo457
      @gmanbozdo457 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Pusfilth oh yeah buu could just absirb vegeta and get imortal hinself

    • @1-2519
      @1-2519 Před 3 lety +1

      I think whis would have done something tho. Even though it not his duty and he is a guide he would be concerned that someone could be as strong as him over hundreds of billions of years. If not whis then Zeno would do something like he did in the goku black arc and wipe the universe out. Yes Vegeta can’t die but Zeno doesn’t kill anyone, he just erases them and unless the immortality in dB is weird I see Vegeta eventually dying/erased.

  • @ChargedJolteon2
    @ChargedJolteon2 Před rokem +16

    Ok but did you consider the implications?

  • @cracknut28
    @cracknut28 Před 4 lety +232

    I decided to calculate what Vegeta's power level would be by the time Beerus arrived, and here's what I got:
    Vegeta's power level against Goku was between 200 mil and 250 mil. Carthu said he was only a little stronger that Frieza,
    so let's put him at 220 mil. Vegeta was left to die over and over in space for 16 years until Beerus found him. There's no evidence to suggest that zenkais have diminishing returns, or that they ever stop happening. I'm already giving Carthu the whole "Frieza's true power was 200 mil" thing, so let's just go with constant zenkais for 16 years.
    It takes one minute to die in space. Vegeta's body is strong enough that the only thing he would have to regenerate would be his "boiling" blood. Seeing as how it took Zamasu just a few second to completely heal from getting stabbed with a sword, the amount of time it would take Vegeta to regenerate blood would be so small that I can just omit it from my calculations.
    So this means Vegeta would be getting 1 zenkai every 1 minute for 16 years. That's cool and all, but how large of a boost would he get from each zenkai? Well, I decided to use 4 different tiers of boosts. The smallest tier is a 1.3x boost, like when when Vegeta went from 18,000 to 24,000 after the saiyan saga. The middle tier is an 8x boost, like when Vegeta went from 30,000 to 250,000 after fighting Recoome. The large tier is a 33x boost, like when Goku went from 90,000 to 3 mil after fighting Ginyu. I also decided to do an extra tier just for fun. This one takes takes the zenkai that bardock got between his special and the Chilled movie. He was 10,000 in the special, then he was strong enough to go super saiyan in the Chilled movie, so probably about 3 mil. This is an absurd 300 times multiplier.
    This gives us:
    Before 16 years: 220,000,000
    Tier 1: 2,405,260,000,000,000
    Tier 2: 14,801,600,000,000,000
    Tier 3: 61,056,600,000,000,000‬
    Tier 4: 555,060,000,000,000,000
    To try and put this into perspective, the number I consider to be Super Vegito's power level in the Buu arc is 25 trillion.
    I got this after doing my own calculations which happened to line up with power scaling in the show, then finding other people online that got around that same number. Considering how overwhelming powerful Vegito was, I'd say that's a fair number. So, let's add Vegito to that chart.
    Before 16 years: 220,000,000
    Tier 1: 2,405,260,000,000,000
    Tier 2: 14,801,600,000,000,000
    Tier 3: 61,056,600,000,000,000‬
    Tier 4: 555,060,000,000,000,000
    S Vegito: 25,000,000,000,000
    SS3V: 200,000,000,000,000
    (If Gotenks can go SS3, so can Vegito)
    When Goku first fought Beerus, he said that he didn't think that even Vegito could beat him. Then, when Goku went SSG, he was confident enough to fight Beerus. This obviously puts SSG Goku(BoG) above Vegito(Buu arc), everyone already knows that.
    This means that after 16 years, Vegeta was potentially as strong or even stronger that Battle of Gods Goku. If this were to be the case, then perhaps Beerus and Whis would have kept Vegeta around, seeing how strong he was.
    Sources: science.howstuffworks.com/question540.htm
    czcams.com/video/KIk6aPdEWHg/video.html 2:15
    dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels
    I couldn't find the Vegito power levels online, and my PL scale isn't finished yet, but when it is and I find the scales I was talking about, I'll put them in here.

    • @Sinestro78
      @Sinestro78 Před 4 lety +27

      This needs more likes how long did it take to calculate all of this information

    • @dacacar2850
      @dacacar2850 Před 3 lety +7

      Man that took a while surely, Thank you for this my good guy

    • @chromedgoldenbug3097
      @chromedgoldenbug3097 Před 3 lety +10

      So basically vegeta would steal the role of protagonist from goku?
      Dayum just....dayum...

    • @sideways_chip_eater6420
      @sideways_chip_eater6420 Před 3 lety +8

      your that one student that the math teacher would fear when giving you a test

    • @thadon5360
      @thadon5360 Před 3 lety

      @@chromedgoldenbug3097 ?

  • @succubastard1019
    @succubastard1019 Před 4 lety +161

    3:37 I believe this is actually not the case: Zenkai Boosts only work when the user is *near death*
    For starters, Cell, despite being blasted apart several times, regenerating only made him consume more and more energy, thus weakening him. Cell was only able to get a Zenkai when he self-destructed, leaving only the smallest part of his body from which he could possibly regenerate.
    The scene with Goku black in the anime (which even contradicts how Zenkais work in the first place) actually implies the opposite of what you said, that Black wouldn't wish to be immortal because with an indestructible body, he wouldn't be able to get stronger.
    Same deal with the DBS manga: because Fusion Zamasu was immortal, despite his incredible resilience and regeneration, he couldn't get stronger since it was impossible for his body to reach a state close to death.

    • @MisterSouji
      @MisterSouji Před 4 lety +13

      Yeah this kind of makes more sense. I havent watched the goku black ark, but Zamasu was immortal not goku black, and merged zamasu was half immortal. That and yeah, the wounds would need to be pretty severe.

    • @deadheroz
      @deadheroz Před rokem

      My thoughts exactly.

  • @noobshateme644
    @noobshateme644 Před rokem +11

    “But have you thought of the implications”

    • @nimbvsalex2635
      @nimbvsalex2635 Před rokem +5

      Vegeta: ALRIGHT ALREADY DRAGON TAKE IT ALL BAAAAACCKKK!!!

    • @noobshateme644
      @noobshateme644 Před rokem +2

      @@nimbvsalex2635 Yes! Finally someone who got the reference!

    • @nimbvsalex2635
      @nimbvsalex2635 Před rokem

      @@noobshateme644 😭😭

  • @mehdiouabas9587
    @mehdiouabas9587 Před 4 lety +29

    Vegeta gets to earth:
    Vegeta: YESSS NO ONE CAN STOP ME!!!
    Piccolo:are you seeing this bottle ?
    Vegeta:Yes,so?
    Piccolo:Great!MAFUBA?

    • @RaymanPotatoes
      @RaymanPotatoes Před 2 lety +3

      I'm placing it on the ground, You see it ?
      Yes

  • @khumokwezimashapa2245
    @khumokwezimashapa2245 Před 4 lety +121

    1:15
    Vegeta: AYE!!!! WHAT'S UP GUYS?!!!
    Krillen: I'm never gonna get my hogie
    Vegeta: So what are you doin?
    Gohan: What am I doin?
    Vegeta: What are ya doin?
    Gohan: Nothing much
    Vegeta: Thwartin my plans?
    Gohan: Thwartin your plans?
    Vegeta: ARE YOU!!!!?

    • @Apaira
      @Apaira Před 4 lety +5

      Yes

    • @kingofrage3935
      @kingofrage3935 Před 4 lety +6

      Gohan: yes

    • @neonshiji3595
      @neonshiji3595 Před 4 lety +6

      Vegeta: I’M GONNA F***ING KILL YOU!!!

    • @neonshiji3595
      @neonshiji3595 Před 4 lety +3

      Vegeta: But first I am going to get my wish of immortality, or I will BREAK. HIS. NECK.

    • @sebastiancaris
      @sebastiancaris Před 4 lety +2

      Krillin: And for our last wish...
      Vegeta: You'll give me immortality, *OR I'LL MURDER HIS PARENTS!*
      Little Green: Joke is on you...

  • @collinmack4752
    @collinmack4752 Před 4 lety +57

    Frieza said it best “not being able to die would likely result in un ending misery”

  • @StanTheBland
    @StanTheBland Před 4 lety +39

    I feel like there's still other realistic scenarios that could've happened, but it seems the what if community wants to switch things up and make things different

  • @luislazotheoof
    @luislazotheoof Před 4 lety +213

    Immortality just got nerfed so much.
    Vegeta: I... I AM FINALLY IMMO-
    Z fighters: *MaFUba!!1!11!*

  • @General_Grievance
    @General_Grievance Před rokem +11

    "But did you consider the implications?"

  • @Ch1l1C0nCarnag3
    @Ch1l1C0nCarnag3 Před rokem +9

    If Vegeta spent years upon years continuously reviving and dying in space, you'd have to imagine that his Zenkai would have been stacking over and over again. Those aren't small boosts either. While each one might seem small in comparison to whatever his base would have become after that time, it would still be making him stronger and stronger. I can't imagine Vegeta wouldn't have somehow had enough rage build up inside him that he wouldn't be able to become Super Saiyan the instant it was possible.
    Now you take a Super Saiyan Vegeta who has been getting zenkai boosts continously for... what? Almost 16 years? The man would probably strong enough to make Beerus think he is "The Super Saiyan God" as is.

  • @jamesleveridge407
    @jamesleveridge407 Před rokem +10

    But have you considered the implications-

  • @klaasvanstrien989
    @klaasvanstrien989 Před 2 lety +10

    I thought that being in this endless loop of dying and reviving for many years would have made Vegeta Monstrously Strong, being able to go head to head with Beerus. That's where I thought you were going with this..

  • @nimbvsalex2635
    @nimbvsalex2635 Před rokem +9

    Have you thought of the implications Vegeta?

  • @q3_dc2
    @q3_dc2 Před rokem +6

    He didn't think about the implications

  • @voraciousrunner580
    @voraciousrunner580 Před 4 lety +17

    Bro when I just wanna chill, eat some chips and pop a soda I'll just watch some carthus dojo thanks man I absolutely loved this video🔥🔥🔥

  • @Wilmar10
    @Wilmar10 Před 4 lety +141

    Since Vegeta has been dying on repeat and getting Zenkais for around 16 years straight, shouldn’t he at least pose a challenge to Beerus?

    • @ojpickle5923
      @ojpickle5923 Před 4 lety +44

      He still only has base form.... Plus his body would probably get used to it and the zenkais would either get really small or just flat out stop

    • @freewyvern707
      @freewyvern707 Před 4 lety +40

      Presuming it takes an hour for Vegeta to die, he would of had 140,160 Zenkais
      As he is dying, his Zenkais should be similar to that of Goku's before his fight against Frieza which was was 33x each time
      Vegeta would of got 4,625,280x stronger
      He had a power level of around 220 million
      By the end of the 16 years, Vegeta would have a powerlevel of 1,017,561,600,000,000. (1 Quintillion)

    • @godemperorofmankind3.091
      @godemperorofmankind3.091 Před 4 lety +5

      he hasnt been dying. thats what the wish was for

    • @freewyvern707
      @freewyvern707 Před 4 lety +35

      i messed up my maths. As Vegeta would get a new powerlevel each death, his power would increase even faster
      If Vegeta has a PL of 100, after one zenkai he would have a PL 3300(33x100). His second Zenkai would then be 108,900(3300x33). Now imagine this 140 thousand times starting at 220 million
      220,000,000x33^140,160
      (7.26 Billion x 10^140,160)
      (7.26x10^140,169)
      Um, Vegeta has a powerlevel so huge it can barely be written. It has 140,169 zero's at the end, like wow, its big

    • @Justadudewithahondacivic
      @Justadudewithahondacivic Před 4 lety +11

      @@freewyvern707 wow, you're smart.

  • @llbrine3928
    @llbrine3928 Před rokem +8

    What about the implication?

  • @0xyden484
    @0xyden484 Před 9 měsíci +1

    1. Get 2 saiyans with immortality 2. Get 1 namekian who can refresh their energy 3. Get hyperbolic timechamber 4. Put all there and make 2 saiyans fight forever againts each other 5. Take them out always when there is a threat.

  • @rickysewell3948
    @rickysewell3948 Před 3 lety +4

    These are awesome. You do a great job with them!

  • @Bible-camp-victim0
    @Bible-camp-victim0 Před rokem +6

    Nice video but did vegeta consider the implications

  • @RakuraiNetwork
    @RakuraiNetwork Před 4 lety +3

    Very clean edits and great video! Can't wait for you to hit 100K!

  • @matthewteo3111
    @matthewteo3111 Před rokem +10

    But have you considered the implications?

  • @sixtovz6214
    @sixtovz6214 Před 4 lety +4

    WONDERFUL! WONDERFUL! Outstanding job my guy! Keep them coming! Now I wanna make my own comic book according to your imagination!

  • @ayashinightcore8282
    @ayashinightcore8282 Před 4 lety +10

    Carthu out here building a better universe than the mcu

  • @Pacster650
    @Pacster650 Před rokem +8

    But what about the implications?

  • @jamainegardner4193
    @jamainegardner4193 Před 2 lety +8

    I'm pretty sure with how Vegeta would just keep getting Zenkais in space, he'd become like a growing beacon of power that Babidi would find and enslave.

  • @wolfjacket551
    @wolfjacket551 Před 4 lety +74

    I love how vegeta’s immortality backfired when he ended up in space

    • @businessproyects2615
      @businessproyects2615 Před 3 lety +15

      He could just flew off to some star, then to another one, and given how many aliens there's in dragon ball he would had found someone.

    • @abdulmoid267
      @abdulmoid267 Před 2 lety +2

      @@businessproyects2615 wow, I never thought about it but stars would work as really great beacons for Vegeta to find planets so he wouldn't need to be floating in space all these years

  • @masterscoobis2782
    @masterscoobis2782 Před rokem +4

    “Ok but did you consider the implications?”

  • @-MinuGoji
    @-MinuGoji Před rokem +6

    *_but have you thought about the implications-_*

  • @bujin5455
    @bujin5455 Před 2 lety +1

    That's a pretty solid analysis!

  • @zachg5856
    @zachg5856 Před 4 lety +44

    What if Goku was made immortal so dende thought that instead of Vegeta being immortal a better thing would be for Goku to be immortal

    • @godemperorofmankind3.091
      @godemperorofmankind3.091 Před 4 lety +11

      i always thought it made no sense not to wish for goku's immortality instead of wishing for piccolo to come to Namek

    • @theopulentone1573
      @theopulentone1573 Před 4 lety +2

      This is Golden

    • @elides1437
      @elides1437 Před 4 lety +2

      @@theopulentone1573 This is Golden Frieza*

    • @ojpickle5923
      @ojpickle5923 Před 4 lety +11

      He would beat frieza without going super sayain and then he would wish to remove the immortality once he gets to earth... But if you say for some reason shenron cant undo the wish then goku would pretty much beat everybody and vegeta would probably give up on ever surpassing goku. Goku would probably let buu out just out of boredom since he can die. But then goku would be turned into candy and the rest of earth would be in trouble. Because of gokus immortality gohan never trained, vegeta lost the majority of his motivation to train, piccolo never fused with kami, and nobody went in the time chamber during the cell saga so without goku earth would be in serious trouble. Although you could say that with goku out of the picture vegeta would take the opportunity to step up and make him self immortal as well. He would know to avoid the candy beam and he would kill majin buu. Goku would be turned to normal and vegeta would finally regain his motivation to surpass goku since the playing field is even because they are both immortal. When Beerus comes to earth he would have a much darker view of the super sayain god. Because the vision beerus had was of a future rival someone that could match him in power and so if that person is immortal then that is a huge threat to him and beerus would consider this when fighting them. He would not give them any zenkais amd would be hesitant when they come on his planet to train. But we know Beerus can seal them in the z sword so he would be too afraid. When frieza learns of goku being immortal he sends his troops to gather shenron another time to make himself immortal aswell so that it can be am even fight. During the one year it takes to summon shenron frieza would be training and goku and vegeta would win the tournament against universe 6 with no problem. However an immortal goku black would be a problem and the mafuba or zeno would be the only option to deal with him. Frieza would attack earth and would get mad since the fight would never end so he would either blow up earth or get sealed away by mafuba or z sword. With an immortal body goku could push his. Super sayain blue kaioken so far that he would surpass every one in the tournament of power including jiren meaning universe 7 wins regardless of who is on the team assumimg jiren doesnt hold on to goku and take them both off stage. Even if he does Universe 7 would probably win amd everything would be fine. Goku or vegeta would live forever and one of them would become god of destruction. While the other lives on earth. Eventually both goku amd vegeta would out live every one of their friemds and family amd they might use super shenron to undo the immortality so that they can die amd be with their families once again.

    • @luislazotheoof
      @luislazotheoof Před 4 lety

      @@elides1437 *This Is Golden Frieza, the last you will ever see!!

  • @Zevente
    @Zevente Před 4 lety +34

    Finally a time line where vegeta is the strong one

    • @meez3947
      @meez3947 Před 3 lety +5

      and the dead one :D

  • @dreadrath
    @dreadrath Před 2 lety +7

    Frieza would probably make his suffer for quite awhile before he got strong enough to fight back and start winning . . . though yeah, the blowing up the planet thing, Vegeta would probably regret having immortality at that point with no air to breathe, lol.

  • @Solesteam
    @Solesteam Před 4 lety +67

    If vegetables were imortal farmers will be in a heap of trouble.

    • @StanTheBland
      @StanTheBland Před 4 lety +1

      Whoever makes the farmer with a shotgun joke is gay

    • @StanTheBland
      @StanTheBland Před 4 lety +1

      All, clear bomb has been defused, no farmer with shutgun jokes insight

    • @Solesteam
      @Solesteam Před 4 lety

      @@StanTheBland what's the farmer with a shotgun joke?

    • @Solesteam
      @Solesteam Před 4 lety

      Wait I'd be better off not knowing

    • @saxdimegjivezi1361
      @saxdimegjivezi1361 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Solesteam It's this meme in the DB community where Farmer With A Shotgun, the guy Raditz ran into when he landed on Earth, is secretly the strongest character in the series.

  • @ashborn7343
    @ashborn7343 Před rokem +5

    Did he consider the implications

  • @Rymatty
    @Rymatty Před 4 lety +63

    It's just hilarious thinking of Vegeta just dieing and reviving constantly it's pretty sad to say the least 🤷🏿‍♂️😭

  • @robloxsufian1923
    @robloxsufian1923 Před 4 lety +11

    You're content is underrated and when im bored i just go to ur channel and enjoy the stories :D

  • @ToxicNoxic
    @ToxicNoxic Před 4 lety +2

    aye 91K congrats! not to long from 100K!

  • @rickstoffels8326
    @rickstoffels8326 Před rokem +7

    But did Vegeta think about the implications does he regenerate and what if his head is cut of does he become a head you really need to think about the implications

  • @SuperImmortal
    @SuperImmortal Před 4 lety +39

    - Goku should've escaped to Yardrat
    - Vegeta should've crash landed on another planet after Namek (not Yardrat or Vampa)
    - future Gohan should've went back in the time machine

    • @ojpickle5923
      @ojpickle5923 Před 4 lety +1

      Goku blew himself up, he died he couldn't escape... As for the others your right

    • @kris7115
      @kris7115 Před 4 lety +4

      @@ojpickle5923 he meant the story should have played out differently

    • @davidlarkin1040
      @davidlarkin1040 Před 4 lety

      @@VarietySeth in Gohan's timeline he could have just not lost his arm or be crippled from the Androids.

    • @davidlarkin1040
      @davidlarkin1040 Před 4 lety

      @@VarietySeth just make it a universe where Gohan survives. Just make that universe a what if. In canon he doesn't survive, but there are videos about what if Gohan survived. Why not include that in this what if as well?

    • @gcortez459
      @gcortez459 Před 4 lety

      But gohan would still die from the fight on the future resulting from only f bulma going back, but that will just give them to live 1 arc

  • @1toolaj
    @1toolaj Před 4 lety +3

    Masakox: Immortal vegeta rendition is too long
    Carthy dojo: this rendition sounds cooler

  • @NidotheKing
    @NidotheKing Před 9 měsíci +2

    I would just imagine that immortality means he doesn't need food or air and thus wouldn't really be getting any zenkai boosts or anything. Immortality would be a big nerf to a Saiyan.

  • @jgoofy8233
    @jgoofy8233 Před 4 lety

    This is a what-if I've requested alot on MasakoX's channel, but now you've done it! Thanks!

  • @martinmontanez868
    @martinmontanez868 Před 4 lety +3

    This is too good!

  • @brocktonbishop5874
    @brocktonbishop5874 Před rokem +2

    It’s quite perfect! I’ve always wondered what it would be like if saiyans were immortal and they could constantly get stronger as they’re able to heal themselves, and never die.

  • @squad1009
    @squad1009 Před 4 lety +2

    Carthu I’m a huge fan I love your what ifs

  • @zaradoth
    @zaradoth Před 4 lety +3

    Tbh goku could have gotten a small zenkai before he became a super saiyan
    He arguably took more damage in that entire fight than frieza took from the spirit bomb, he was beaten around by frieza when he had no energy to fight anymore and he pushed his body to x20 kaioken so it's very possible that just like 120 million frieza wasn't likely at full power, 150 million goku wasn't at full power either

  • @darkfang797
    @darkfang797 Před 4 lety +17

    What if Potars fusion was permanent, even the dragon balls can’t undo them, maybe the super dragon balls but for the purposes of the story potara fusion is never undone

    • @ojpickle5923
      @ojpickle5923 Před 4 lety +2

      Unles they can get tarble for the super sayain god ritual then they will be one sayain short and earth will be destroyed so no dragon ball

    • @jruler93
      @jruler93 Před 4 lety +1

      Well, the Super Dragon Balls, in so far as we currently know, have literally no limitations on the wishes that they can grant, except that the wish must be stated in the language of the angels.

    • @str9306
      @str9306 Před 4 lety +1

      Insertnamehere what in the fuck man, who in the hell is gonna read that

    • @darkfang797
      @darkfang797 Před 4 lety +1

      Insertnamehere I absolutely love your comment, I think it’s a treat as I’m usually the sort of person who replies to other people’s comments with a lengthy explanation of a what if. So thank you very much for taking the time out of your day to write this, I really appreciate it. I’ll be writing my own version of this scenario on google docs (I’m afraid I’ll accidently delete the comment part way through typing it) and copy paste it as my own reply

    • @darkfang797
      @darkfang797 Před 4 lety +1

      Supreme Crappy I read it!

  • @ewrjoe4822
    @ewrjoe4822 Před 4 lety +2

    Awesome video. Dark ending.

  • @neonshiji3595
    @neonshiji3595 Před 4 lety

    T h a n k y o u. IVE ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE THIS FOR OVER A DECADE NOW, THANK YOUUU

  • @ssjsal2159
    @ssjsal2159 Před 4 lety +32

    That’s crazy just dying and reviving

  • @TheGuyVince
    @TheGuyVince Před 4 lety +4

    Eyyy you got it done while CZcams was messing with copyright. It was a very good what if my man!

  • @father_yusuke
    @father_yusuke Před 2 lety

    This is one of my favorite theories from u

  • @killagorilla0257
    @killagorilla0257 Před 4 lety

    I really enjoyed this what if, please continue it.

  • @bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368
    @bussinnutsfuckinbutts5368 Před 4 lety +13

    I wonder if goku would wish for immortality himself, so he'll forever fight vegeta to protect the earth. I mean he'd probably love it, an eternal battle against a constantly improving opponent, he can go all out and vegeta can do the same

  • @ojpickle5923
    @ojpickle5923 Před 4 lety +4

    How do you know Frieza had a true powelevel of 200,000,000? Where does ot say frieza is anything more than 120,000,000

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 4 lety +3

      I forgot to put the scan in the video, but a guide says that the Genki Dama weakened freeza from his original power level

    • @ojpickle5923
      @ojpickle5923 Před 4 lety +2

      @@CarthusDojo oh okay

  • @itunesrap8381
    @itunesrap8381 Před 4 lety

    Continue on this is great

  • @gleo7324
    @gleo7324 Před 4 lety

    Get this man to 100k

  • @ancientking224
    @ancientking224 Před 4 lety +12

    10:46 Honestly I agree.
    Future Trunks stated int he anime that Zamasu was healing at an immensely fast rate, and in the manga Zamasu could heal yeah but still take damage. Along with that if Goku shot off a really powerful attack it could kill Vegeta, or simply did enough damage to the point where Vegeta's immortality couldn't do anything.
    So I kinda like that part. I know he lives in space but why didn't they just wish for Vegeta's to go away and let him suffocate. I know it's dark but still.

  • @BrianAwesome
    @BrianAwesome Před 4 lety +8

    I guess present Vegeta will be released, once they realize that they need him for the Saiyan God ritual.

    • @davidlarkin1040
      @davidlarkin1040 Před 4 lety

      But he still wouldn't be pure of heart.

    • @theonlychickensama8353
      @theonlychickensama8353 Před 4 lety

      @@davidlarkin1040 this ^

    • @frost8945
      @frost8945 Před 4 lety

      David Larkin pure of heart is literally part of the legend it went along with the idea that super saiyans need to be pure of heart it’s likely it’s another part of a legend that was more than likely meant to scare evil saiyans from even trying to do it

  • @hamzanoory3993
    @hamzanoory3993 Před 4 lety

    Nice video are gonna you gonna continue part 2 of broly in Beerus planet

  • @ZenKrio
    @ZenKrio Před 4 lety +1

    3:43 Realizing now that Goku just blew Zamasu's head clean off without hesitation.

  • @xxasapbunsxx
    @xxasapbunsxx Před 4 lety +8

    What if gohan was the LSS?

    • @notkagura7049
      @notkagura7049 Před 4 lety

      That's a good what if

    • @ojpickle5923
      @ojpickle5923 Před 4 lety

      With such a massive power chi chi would be forced to lwt goku teach his son how to at least control it. Gohan kills raditz out of rage and vegeta tries to get him to fight frieza but gohan isnt a fighter so that could go many ways. But the main cast besides gohan would be much weaker amd cell would also be the legendary super sayain on top of everything else so he would kill gohan and probably be stronger than beerus if he can control his power so he would go around doing anything he wanted until the mortal level got so low that zeno destroys the universe

  • @tkscenari0tm755
    @tkscenari0tm755 Před 4 lety +3

    Yooo!!! Please continue this!!

  • @TheFinalChapters
    @TheFinalChapters Před rokem +1

    The Future Trunks timeline would still happen, but it would be the Future Gohan timeline. Bulma would still make her time machine, and Gohan would not sacrifice himself protecting Trunks. Gohan using the time machine was actually the original plan before he died.
    Even if we assume that Gohan somehow dies, all that means is that Bulma would use the time machine herself.

  • @Magicalmysticalevil
    @Magicalmysticalevil Před 2 lety +2

    What if Vegeta while floating in space was found by the big Gete star. Imagine his immortality and the technology of the Big Gete star.

  • @commenterforfun5154
    @commenterforfun5154 Před 3 lety +6

    Technically vegeta wouldn't get any zenkai boost due to the damage done to him healing instantly. But he can get insane zenkai boosts if he just pieces his heart with a laser and revive

    • @dreamcream3738
      @dreamcream3738 Před 2 lety

      Self inflicted injuries don't count for zenkais

  • @teosk-firesteam655
    @teosk-firesteam655 Před 4 lety +5

    I think that beerus would still like to fight vegeta, with his immortality, he would eventualy catch up to beerus

  • @hecray514
    @hecray514 Před 3 lety +2

    IF Every time vegeta got angry his power level when up by 1 he would been stronger than both zenos

  • @VoidGohan1
    @VoidGohan1 Před 3 měsíci

    Guru living for like a minute more turned dragon ball into this dark timeline 💀

  • @jruler93
    @jruler93 Před 4 lety +31

    Wait, what? If immortality is basically rapid regeneration from any would-be fatal injury, then how exactly would that protect Vegeta from w GoD's Hakai, which completely destroys both the body and soul of the target?

    • @hanging4176
      @hanging4176 Před 4 lety

      jruler93 It wouldn’t.

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 4 lety +23

      jruler93 Beerus stated he can’t kill an immortal so regardless of if it makes sense to you or not, the series said an immortal cannot be killed by the Hakai.

    • @jruler93
      @jruler93 Před 4 lety +1

      Carthu's Dojo Oh okay. Thanks for explaining it to me. I haven't watched Super, and while I've been spoiled to HFIL and back on most of the major details of the series, I'm not aware of a lot of the more minor details like that.

    • @Android-dg5ri
      @Android-dg5ri Před 4 lety +1

      @Luis Suazo whis can seal immortal being in a pocket dimension

    • @kristianschuff1723
      @kristianschuff1723 Před 4 lety

      @@CarthusDojo he did when can you provide a link

  • @LpCruz11937
    @LpCruz11937 Před 2 lety +1

    damn...pretty good Frieza impression

  • @astolfo2305
    @astolfo2305 Před 4 lety +6

    bulma would go past and tell goku + others about androids

  • @napdragon94
    @napdragon94 Před 3 lety +7

    12:00 Vegeta never returned to Earth. He became half-paralysed, half-immortal and floated forever through space. And though he wished for death, he was unable to die. So eventually, he stopped thinking.

  • @ace.mp4827
    @ace.mp4827 Před 4 lety +6

    If vegetable kept experiencing death over and over wouldn’t he get a lot of zenkai boosts and make him really strong

  • @veryhappyman2143
    @veryhappyman2143 Před 8 měsíci +1

    “Have you thought of the implications?”

  • @hazm4t483
    @hazm4t483 Před 8 měsíci

    Great story, I’ll read it to the kids tonight 👍

  • @ohgoditsdave2837
    @ohgoditsdave2837 Před 3 lety +5

    Ok so. A few questions.
    1. Why didn’t they also use the dragon balls to take away Vegeta’s immortality?
    2. Even if there was no Trunks, wouldn’t Gohan (who would’ve been a Super Saiyan) or Bulma have gone back in time instead? What’s stopping them from doing so?
    3. With humanity and all of the Z-fighters being mostly wiped out, wouldn’t that have stopped Babbidi from going to Earth in the first place? Since there were no major sources of energy to collect?