The Nordiques Didn't Move Because of Low Attendance
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2018
- This is a narrative I don't understand. They left because they needed a new arena and there was no salary cap. The team never lost money. They had plenty of fan support.
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This video is why you’re the number one source for hockey information for so many people.
The Nordiques still drew 15,080 people per game even though they only won 12 games out of 80. That's incredible.
That is so dead on. I remember the Nordiques leaving Quebec in '95, my heart died. Quebecers can now support a team even better than ever. Only one problem: Gary Bettman.
My heart broke too. And I'm a Sabres fan! How I LOVED (to hate) the Nordiques! My favorite WHA team and my favorite rival! It's a shame ... (though I don't put all the blame on Bettman.)
Quebec has a Major Junior team that get's better attendance than some NHL teams. They sell over 100K tickets for an International Peewee tournament every single year it became so big that they needed to change the dates so they didn't outdo their winter festival which is the Biggest in Canada BTW...
Yeah and the NHL owners don't care with their MONEY boy leader! They don't care about the game ! They can't even skate!! All they care about is money and ego !! Quebec should of had a NHL team years ago ! D
The amount of times I’ve argued with someone about this and than said “watch the video by the hockey guy about it” and then they never respond is amazing
BRING BACK MY NORDIQUE
I'd love for Quebec to have a team again. Only if they have a new logo. Sorry not sorry
Im zParanoid No other City - IS NEXT - The French Need another Team
VIVE LE NORDIQUES DE QUEBEC
Bring back Quebec Cleveland Seattle Kansas City & get a team in Hamilton Regina & mybe try Halifax
Your Nordiques live on as Junior Hockey Teams in Maine
There's a French podcast going on on Nordiques history from WHA until relocation. One of the men who's making the show said that, in the summer of '94, he learned by one of the shareholders that the team would be sold eventually ; almost one year before the official announce of the departure. The explanation the shareholder gave was basically what The Hockey Guy said here. The Nordiques were not losing money yet, but the shareholders knew that it wouldn't last any longer, considering the salaries were getting higher and higher, there was no salary cap (and at that time, nobody could've known what would happen in 2004-05) and they couldn't have a new arena to generate more money with suites etc.
100% accurate
This is kind of what happened to the Baltimore Colts, sadly
Lol love the pfp
@@dnasty312 even the Canadian Football League Colts did not stick around once the Browns moved to Baltimore
This was a great video. Thanks for explaining what happened. I hated the moves of the Jets, Nordiques, North Stars and Whalers. How heartbreaking for Nordique fans to lose their team and then see them win the Cup the next year. How joyous it would be if they get their team back!
My team from childhood. Had to find an alternative that never really stuck. Bring Back The Nordiques!!! And we have the nicest jerseys of all teams/times.
Even if Quebec gets a team again the Avalanche will not give up the Nordiques trademark. It’s part of the Avs identity.
@@JB-kx9bx Thumbs down because of the trademark not your comment
Loved the Nordiques. The Canadian dollar is the proper arguement, and a reason no Canadian team has won since '93.
Explain Montreal getting to the finals, champ
Parity
@@Spanluver they said "won"
@@Spanluver Many teams from Canada have made it to the finals since 93, they haven't won though.
The NHL prefers keeping teams in southern places, where there never is snow, and where hockey is in the shadow of other sports. That and they keep losing money.
Dark Magician I live in England and I'm an avs fan it is so frustrating knowing that Quebec is over looked
More southern teams are successful then unsuccessful; LA, Vegas, Tampa, Nashville, Anaheim, and Dallas outnumber Arizona, Florida, and Carolina
Clark Wilson and yet all the teams you mentioned have enjoyed playoff success. All of them would not support their team as much if they weren't successful.
Clark Wilson Nashville wasn’t very successful until the team started winning. Also, don’t forget about Atlanta, a market that failed twice.
That’s horseshit, the fans always supported Nashville. What happened was our first owner dumped the team to buy into the Wild, then our team was transferred to a man who bought it with fraud money. The only reason people didn’t show up was because this man stole their money to buy a team. Then he tried to sell to some jackass who wanted to move them to Hamilton.
Thank god Bettman stepped in, because Nashville is a rabid booming hardcore hockey market.
I am from slovakia, but I always knew, the people of quebec city always loved their nordics, support them trough their hearts, I could feel it, if I would be very rich, I would build new arena and give chance to all talented hockey players ( a lots of them sitting at home because their parents can't afford it) and idiot kids WANNA BE with rich parents are destroying the game of hockey. Loved nordics always in my heart!!!!!
They have a new arena now. They just need the NHL to let them have a team again.
@@edmerc92 that would be dream come true for many
I hate the idea that public funds are needed for billionaire owners to keep a team in a market. That is pure bullshit. They want free money so they don't have to pay into the team. Quebec shouldn't have moved. I get moving out of La Colisee, but Aubut wasn't exactly the best owner either. The Lindros fiasco kinda proved it.
Clutch28 Aubut used to sexually harassed women
Ok...which came out while he was a member of the Olympic committee. What pray tell does this fact have ANYTHING to do with Quebec losing the Nordiques?
Clutch28 Its the main reason why Lindros didn't join the Nordiques (Lindros said so in the french show "Tout le monde en parle"). It gives an idea of who Marcel Aubut really is.
I watched that interview, at least his responses since I could understand them and at no time did Lindros say that. The thing with fact and jumping to conclusions, is fact is real. Aubut's MANAGEMENT of the team was why Lindros did not want to play in Quebec. Not the sexual assault accusations that happened YEARS later.
The Nordiques lowest attendance after le Colisée was upgraded to 15K seats was in 1992 when Lindros refused to play for the team. On other years they usually outdrew NYI, Boston, Washington and even the Western Canadian teams. I hate consortiums and groups of investors. Aubut never lost money on the team but his group wasn't wealthy enough to make the franchise last until the lockout and we saw similar things happen to the Expos with sucky Brochu's group who refused to invest money to keep star players after the strike or to put more money into the new stadium.
The elitism of the NHL front office has never ceased to disgust and amaze me.
Quebec City, Hamilton, and Houston all deserve NHL teams.
I'm from St. Louis and for some reason always liked Quebec. The stasnys and those games against Montreal were brutal
I have Been an avs fan since 98 I always bring up that we were the nordiques...it is important to appreciate where a team came from
I would be extatic if the nordiques came back an they would be a 2nd team for me no doubt
I never had the opportunity to attend Le Colisee in person but I always enjoyed watching televised games from there. The reason was the viewer got a sharper view of the ice surface. This was similar to the former Met Center home of the North Stars. I don’t know if it will ever happen in my lifetime but I’d love (like so many others) to see the NHL return to Quebec City. To see a renewal of the rivalry with the Canadiens would be great for the NHL but reality is probably going to dictate otherwise.
Bring back the Expos
I don’t know why, but they were one of my favorite baseball teams growing up. Would be cool to see them back
I'd rather see a new MLB team in Vancouver. When you see a Blue Jays vs Mariners game in Seattle, over half the fans have Blue Jays jerseys.
Maddhouse ...before the 94 strike they were hell.
Walker, Bichette and Guerrero. Nothing is more old-school than that Montreal Expos logo
Soon
Glorious_Dominator16 A lot of people hated the Astro turf and their stadium but I thought it was pretty unique
Expand to Seattle, and relocate a couple of franchises, either Arizona, Carolina or Florida, and move then to Houston and Quebec. The league would be absolutely set.
WasabiPie:P Quebec Nords
Houston Aeros, New England Whalers or Hartford.
WasabiPie:P plus Kansas City would need a team
Yeah pretty ironic. Wouldn’t you want to never see someone go through what you did in 1996?
Kansas is a concern due to issues in low attendance, like the scouts had, and the fact that Kansas is a fairly small market. It could work, but I wouldn’t bet my bucks with the league expanding after 32 teams.
WasabiPie:P Carolina could relocate to Kansas City and then Tennessee would move to the east
Just finding your channel and damn am I impressed. Way to lay it out for us guys too young to know what was going down back in the day. Thanks for making this video!
As a Member of the Boston Community I root for the Colorado Avalanche and have since they moved the team in the 1995-96 season. Thank you The hockey Guy for this informative and entertaining video.
Hockey fan from Quebec here. Pretty much right, Shannon.
There’s also another factor that wasn’t discuss a lot. Nordiques’ ownership group was a wide joint venture between many Quebec business (insurance companies, investment funds, food retailer holding, etc.) that were on pressure from their own shareholders to sold the team since the 94-95 lockout resolution didn’t produce enough certainties over cost control for smaller markets. I still believe that a deeper-pocket owner would have kept the team there long enough to save it.
Part of the resentment by many Quebec fans reside in the way how Bettman and the league support and cling on problematic franchises now and that Quebec didn’t get the same patience in 95.
25 years later, there is still a sound business case to be made for a team in Quebec City. However, I think it’ll need a new and stronger prospective owner and a new league leadership for that to happen.
It killed me when they left,and then won a cup!!!Joe Sakic was my fave player ever!!!
Quebec Nordiques hands down best uniforms in all major sports
Reviewing some of the videos I've missed over the years. This one was a gem. Thanks.
Yep, even in the season where they lost 61 games (89-90), they still had shockingly good crowds. But their arena was outdated even for the early 80's.
Sad, but true. An old barn (not unlike Buffalo's Aud) but just 'lacking' for the modern sports world.
As a Canes fan, I'd love to see the Nordiques back, I just don't want it to come at the cost of the Hurricanes.
Josh- If your in Carolina, I was at Hartford when it moved and with all the rumors of cities then the Whale could go to, I'm glad Carolina got it. A legendary sportscaster here then Arnold Dean said then to Whalers fans, Carolinians are good people. The 2006 cup win was the last one I saw with my wife before she passed. I feel affection for that. I'm also a Panthers fan as my wife was a Floridian there. Hope the Panthers always stay put also.
Josh Siegel Screw you and Carolina!
Its ok Lerone- I have bad days also, perhaps you ex is from Carolina and you don't like being reminded of her.
LMAO love that comeback.
dennis menace My ex is Hartford!
It's such a pity that the Nordiques left. I used to really enjoy travelling to Quebec to watch the Capitals play there. But the same thing has happened in Houston (NFL), St. Louis (NFL), Baltimore (NFL) where the team asked a city or state to build a new playground or else. No mayor or governor or premier can cave in to owners' demands, but after a few years another one can spend twice as much to bring a new team in. There are creative ways to get things done without burdening the tax payers completely and maybe that was done in Quebec to build the Videotron Centre. I think that the best way to settle things, whether it's an opera house, a stadium or a power plant, is to put it to referendum. If the taxpayers want an arena, fine. They can vote to pay for it.
They were going to completely change their colours and logo the following season too. Teal, black, navy blue and white with a fierce looking husky and Nordiques below it.
Im amazed at how many topics you are capable of producing. Keep it up!
No Canadian team would move due to low attendance. As evidence, Winnipeg. They sold out every game when they left. They get their team back, still sell out every game. Probably the same thing with Quebec.
You are too right!
I miss this team😪
I've been preaching this forever. Fan support was never the issue in Quebec City.
The Quebec Nordiques need to return to the NHL ASAP!! The league just doesn’t feel the same without them- at all! Please return Quebec City!
Remember another Canadian team... The Montreal Expos weren't unpopular. The Montreal fans got royally screwed over by MLB. In 1994, the Expos had the best record in MLB and were selling out. They were on pace for record breaking ticket sales then the season ended in a strike. When baseball came back, the players who made the Expos so strong were gone and so were fans.
Yup. Selig wanted a team in Washington at all costs
Shannon is the most unbiased i enjoy listening to
Yes Nordiques fans; be quiet and be patient. Quebec City SHOULD and WILL get an NHL team, but they SHOULD NOT be paying no $650 million for it.
If the NHL rigs it so they win the cup in the first season (dream on, since this is the heart of French Quebec we're talking about), what's wrong with spending $650 Million.
If it's your money, go ahead. If it's someone else's money, how about buying an existing franchise for $350 million, moving it to Quebec, building on it for 3 or 4 years (patience, mon frere) and THEN challenging for the Cup. Ending with a team worth $450 million. Instead of spending $650 million and ending up with a team worth $500 million 5 years from now.
Hey Shannon, love the history aspect of you channel. You should do looks back at NHL history more often
I love ❤️ the Nordiques and Nordiques fans. Colorado Quebec will always share the Championships and success of the Avalanche.
I grew up in Winnipeg and people tried to say same thing about original Jets. It was all about needing new arena. Never about fan support
I wish the Nords had won a cup before they left Quebec after all those fans went through over the years.
It was a play to build hockey in at that time a non-traditional hockey market, Colorado
Colorado had a successful team in the past. The person that bought the Nordiques wanted a team in Colorado again. Colorado supported the team back in the 70's and the only reason why they moved was because somebody wanted a team in Jersey.
The Ironic thing is that the Aves won against the Devils in the Cup Finals.
@@answeris4217 - Well, that didn't happen until 2001.
Avs vs Panthers in '95.
Didn't know that . Awesome Jersey and name . Saw the caps beat Quebec 12-2 at Caps Center . What a workout standing up for all those goals .
as a bruins fan, I want to see Quebec and Hartford come back, bring back these rivalries! hockey just isn't a southern/warm weather city sport to me
Gary Bettman is the worst thing that EVER happed to the NHL .
I’d love to have the Québec Nordiques back. They deserve a team.
I had no idea! Bring 'em back!!
Oh and that jersey... Man it was EVERYWHERE.
Let's resume this video. Let's say only true things and see how it goes ! Bravo!
Thanks Shannon !
Well said
There is still the narrative that Marcel Aubut sold the team, gave up etc…
Living in Québec, I never heard about the lack of support, but as I just said, I was in the middle of it and wouldn’t hear what all the other NHL cities thought about the fact. François Legault, Québec’s current province prime sinister, tried to talk to the league and get a team in Québec. What I’m sure didn’t impress the league were the empty seat due to Quebec’s strict Covid restrictions, through the 2021 playoffs for Montreal, as opposed to Vegas and say Tampa at full capacity. Remember that the “recent” arena in Quebec was built while Jean Charest’s liberals were in place. They were deep into corruption, with the construction, the “commission charbonneau”, so they pulled out to build a public funded arena, while there were still no plans for an NHL team to come back. The first day where they presented the “colisée Pepsi?” i think it’s called. Anyway, the day before the election, the liberal crooks took the opportunity to give handshake to everyone and make people forget about all the crap they pulled out. I was seen as a hater for stating that the arena would not guarantee a team. Anyway, easy lesson, never trust politicians. ;)
I always felt like the Nordiques jersey looked like the GOP elephant
NHL Just bring the Nordiques back please and thank you, whether its relocation or expansion.
I’m quite sure it will be relocation if they do come back
@@InfiniteHorizons Florida Panthers
@@seanstours3913 Yeah
Glad you made this vid. You are getting it right. You think Quebec gets a team in next 5 years?
They should. The building is there. The owner is apparently still willing to shell out any fees needed.
Even the $900m Canadian you talked about in another video?
Christian Moore that was expansion, moveing someone will probably be less.
Quebecor is FILTHY rich, hugely profitable and they basically launched a new sports channel for their potential new team, TVA Sports. That channel carries the entire playoffs this year, plus the Senators games and Habs games every saturday. The machine is there, it's well-oiled and it's getting impatient.
If Québec gets a team it will only be by moving one, expansion= smoke screen, I know I live in Québec City!!! Forget expansion
I’m ready for the return of the Nordiques. Any current candidates for relocation?
As much as I detested the Nordiques as a die-hard Whalers fan, it was still sad to see them go (of course, exponentially more so for the Whale). I still put much of the blame on Gary Bettman, he couldn't wait to see these franchises moved.
Yeah, it's funny right. He didn't do anything to try to stop the move of the Nords, Jets and Whalers, who had loyal fanbases. But the Coyotes, who have never once turned a profit and has no consistent fanbase, he fights tooth and nail to to save.
And let's not forget letting the North Stars move to Dallas, when there was a 3-year-old building in Minneapolis in the Target Center that offered to house the team.
Jesus Christ... I thought it was money the whole time. I vaguely remembered the owner or GM testifying in front of some body.
In retrospect, I wondered if the NHL could've lent the Nordiques and the Jets to Denver and Phoenix for 5 years (instead of nothing), let them change their name and keep the previous record/retired numbers, etc, kinda the way the Blue Jays are currently playing in Buffalo. One, to stabilize the franchise so it makes money in a better place but so to avoid issues with the weak Canadian dollar.
And then every 5 years, decide if it's ok for them to go back. Imagine if they had gotten revenue sharing earlier:
* Quebec goes to Colorado anyway. They come up with some name that's not 'Avalanche' or 'Rockies'.
* They still get Patrick Roy (which they may not have gotten if they were still in Quebec).
* They win the Cup in 1996 and still have their rivalry with Detroit.
* Early 2000, they get Bourque (a Quebecer)
* They also get rid of Claude Lemieux.
* Late 2000, they return to Quebec, with revenue sharing (whether they have a new building is another issue).
* Patrick Roy is also happy because he was a fan of the Nordiques when he was young (and apparently never liked the Canadiens before he was drafted.)
* 2001, the Nordiques beat the Devils on the way to the Finals where they beat whoever so Bourque wins his first Cup in his home province and Roy wins a Cup and Conn Smythe with his hometown team.
* Denver gets an expansion franchise which they call the Avalanche.
* Phoenix never gets one.
There are a lot of people out there that have no idea of what they are talking about!!!
I never had the impression from anything I saw, read, heard that Quebec had an attendance or a fan support issue. They had a small arena, yes but, at least I knew there were other issues that sent them to Colorado.
Yep, you're right... But I don't think that the government had to play a part in that (at least, not a major one). If the Canadians would need a new arena (and they did move from the old Forum), a bunch of businessmen would jump in an help... And that's what is currently happening now with Videotron... So, at the time, there was no major company, alone or with others, that wanted to invest in it...
Videotron helped with the arena (as the government did) and were ready to pay for a team if their request was accepted... Now, another expansion and still no Nordiques... The project is not dead, but they will be considered when there are no other choices...? C'mon...!
I agree , they had a good attendance with a crappy team ( a few seasons ). I went 3 - 4 times / year !
For years I wondered why the Nordiques left Quebec now I understand and I hope Quebec gets there Nordiques back and I would love to talk to some hardcore Nordiques fans
If any fan base DESERVES a team, it's the Nords. Maybe Hartford closely after that.
Capacity at Ottawa's Civic Centre was about 11,000 during the years mentioned
Merci de nous dire cette sombre vérité! / Thanks for saying this dark truth!
Continues ton travail! / Keep on your good work!
I approve of this video. Off to watch the Whalers now. Hope you have an Atlanta Flames one too.
QUEBEC NORDIQUES IN THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME
01. 1978: Jacques Plante
02. 1988: Guy Lafleur
03. 1993: Guy Lapointe
04. 1998: Michel Goulet
05. 1998: Peter Stastny
06. 2012: Joe Sakic
07. 2012: Mats Sundin
08. 2014: Peter Forsberg
Jacques Plante never played for the Nordiques he was retired by 1979 when they came into the NHL I don't believe Guy Lapointe ever played for Quebec either
@@michaelleroy9281 Plante later worked for the Nordiques in management after he retired.
@@michaelleroy9281 UPDATE
QUEBEC NORDIQUES
HOCKEY HALL OF FAME
INDUCTEES
01. 1961 - Maurice Richard
02. 1978 - Jacques Plante
03. 1988 - Guy Lafleur
04. 1993 - Guy Lapointe
05. 1998 - Michel Goulet
06. 1998 - Peter Stastny
07. 2012 - Joe Sakic
08. 2012 - Mats Sundin
09. 2014 - Peter Forsberg
10. 2023 - Pierre Lacroix
Us in Hartford fully sympathize
Hopefully when the NHL returns to Quebec they bring back that great goal horn.
We’re Chargers fans and when we say they should still be in SD. We get the same “You should have supported them then.” Like you said, when we knew they were leaving then attendance dropped. Sad thing is their only fan base in LA…. Is people from SD. Even after Spanos wanted to “turn the page.” Same deal. Wanted a new stadium.
I have been saying the exact same thing since they moved. Also when they were talking expansion I was saying that they should have put another team or even 2 GTA Toronto area. Instead of having one team sold out every night on corporate owned seats. They could likely support 3 teams in that area and fans might actually be able to get tickets to see a game without having to drive to Detroit, Buffalo or Ottawa.
Lol.... no support from fans for the Nordiques?? That is crap and I agree too! There’s even evidence of that from CZcams video broadcasts from the Nordique home games where the fans would go WILD for the Nordiques! I’ve seen the fans from the videos and they were very supportive and Loud!
I don’t think public funds should ever be used of an arena or stadium for any team. The vast majority of sports owners (today especially) are hundreds of millionaires if not billionaires.
What about the Browns?
Pretty much bang on the truth. Love your jersey here.
Oh really! I knew nothing about it. Sure...the main issue some teams moved was no new stadium/arena built. What about the Montreal Expos? Could you please shed a light? Thanks.
Not disputing any of this. I do think ticket revenue is a better indicator since not every seat charges the same and pricing can also effect attendance.
The owners asked Marcel Aubut to find buyer for their team a year before the move because they didn't want to loose money and because the NHL didn't get a cap salary. the owners sold the team for $75M. From the french perspective, people in Quebec are pissed of at Marcel Aubut. He was the one that announced the departure of the team, so he is the bad guy. At the end, they got $75M + the money from the Lindros trade that they didn't touch. I got the info from a Nordiques Podcast.
To tag a famous quote from an very popular HBO Serial, fully adapted to Quebec Nordiques.... "the north remembers"...
Reminds me a lot about how the Sonics were taken, yes taken in 2008. Not due to lack of support. Fans supported the team. It was a Caralina situation where fans utterly hated the owner and didnt want to show up. I dont like holding fans for ransom.
Why is it that Hamilton never gets mentioned as far as expansion or relocation. The city should have been granted a club after Rendezvous '87. Bloody disgrace.
They chose Ottawa instead. Beside that the Leafs and the Sabres would not agree. You have the population there, it's like Geoff Molson with Nordiques ''here''.
J'adore les Nordiques de Québec!
The moment when high profile Eric Lindros balked after he was drafted no.1 overall in the 1989 draft I knew the Quebec Nordiques were done and that followed by a lot of high profile players refusing to play for the Nordiques because of salary cap issues....The Nordiques had a solid fan base but they could seem to get high profile players to sign due to the Canadian dollar value compare to the US and players wanting to be paid in US Dollars instead of Canadian and revenue is based on the Canadian Dollar value which was 80 cents US to 1 Canadian Dollar.
Very interesting. Damn you are good!
Nordiques would not have won any Cups if they stayed though, Sakic and Forsberg were not enough because Patric Roy would never have gone there. In some sense, those two cups for the Avs were Roys.
Just my thoughts.
Je t'aime, Shannon.
Let's go Nordiques!! Bring them back!
If Quebec gets another team they'll have another name it won't be Nordiques
Maybe time to revisit this with the jersey issue flare up.
I am with you Shannon to many bandwagon fans talking out of there asses knowing nothing. The Nordiques where always a packed house.
The only way Quebec gets a team is if the Sens move there,i cant see them ever getting an expansion team.
It's a slim possibility for sure. Melnyk is such a douche.
You might be right, but concretly it doesn't make sense. About the same market, even bigger for Ottawa, which have an establish team since 1992. They have great crowds when the team is decent. Arena location is a problem indeed as people would have been going much often with an arena within the real Ottawa or greater downtown. People are arriving at 11 pm or so at home after a game.
Florida Panthers in 1993-98 played in the Miami Arena which only had a capacity of around 11-12k. I agree with your point as a Hurricanes fan when fans wanting a team to be relocated to their city, troll other fans of teams, maybe the people in Hartford could learn a lesson from your point about silence
I agree with that and I'm from Hartford.
The reason the Nords left back in the day is the same reason that the Whalers & Original Jets left in the first place, they all wanted a new arena & when they couldn't get that arena then you started hearing about lack of fan support in those markets. The game was better when Quebec & Hartford were in the league, but instead the league have to give teams to cities that are not true hockey markets & will never be no matter the recent success of a Nashville or to a lesser extent Columbus.
The Nords won their first Stanley Cup.
They simply won it in Denver.
Your not saying anything that we don't already know. Only blind fans thought it was about non support for the team. It was about the economy in Quebec taking a nose dive along with the Canadian dollar being what it was at that time is what sank the organization
Fuck,Vegas and Seattle. Where’s Quebec!!? Tabernack!
...also, rumour had it that Jacques Parizeau being a Separatist and Marcel Aubut being a Federalist played a part in te Nordiques being sold and moving.
The only people that understand this situation wholly are Jets fans. Wasn't a lack of support, it was the same as Quebec; needed a new arena, needed a salary cap, needed a rich owner, needed to OWN our own arena (Winnipeg Enterprises were raping the Jets and former owner Barry Shenkarow for years- parking, concessions, merch, EVERYTHING they took other than ticket sales.) and the Canadian dollar needed to get better. Bad times. We averaged roughly 13,500 a game in a 15,000 seater with bad sight-lines and a mostly mediocre to bad team most nights.
Wow... a Quebec City native who’s a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER!!!! FASCINATING!!!!!!!
As long as Bettman runs the NHL.. no Quebec. And also no Arizona leaving
No matter who's to blame, I still felt like my girlfriend was breaking up with me. Then to later learn she's got married a year later. That relocation hurt me man.