Old-Ass Anime Cast #12: Evangelion
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"I suspect that we will never be done talking about EVA as a society" Digibro
Simao Pereira It'll be WW3 in 2077 and I'll still think of Eva...
AConstanTole WW3 just in 2077?
Simao Pereira true
That's exactly what happens with kaworu. Shinji just wants to be loved and to get attention and human connection.
I think it's wild that this show can introduce and kill off a character in the same episode and yet he still has a huge impact on the series.
Teacup4561 a huge impact on the series is a huge understatement, it's amazing how Kaworu with his one episode has become one of the most memorable characters in all of anime
That's a very dashing picture of Shinji.
When I watched Eva, I connected with Shinji then Asuka on my second watch. Now I'm getting to the point where I am starting to understand Gendo and it's worrying.
implying rebuild 4.0 isn't gonna be footage of anno sitting on top of a pile of money and laughing for 2 and a half hours
Shinji never bothered me. I thought his characterization was wonderful and he's so human.
I feel like he’s completely relatable up until EoE, where he just gives in and starts demanding people (Asuka) love(s) him simply because he exists.
I felt like his behaviour was completely justified, him being a child forced into a horrific situation. However my sympathy for him evaporated when he started crying "you're not me, you don't understand what it's like!" to the person who was bleeding to death from a gunshot wound while trying their best to comfort him.
beeneylord I found him relatable in EoE too
Whenever I was depressed or feeling sad as a teenager I used to watch the final three episodes of the series. For some reason it was just really calming and helped me get my head back in a good place.
The best line in the show is "What, are you riding his baloney pony?"
I first watched Evangelion at 16. Interestingly a lot of the thing you mention in this video I have struggled with myself. I had long hair and wore tracksuits at school, watched anime, didn't have many friends and also questioned my sexuality, though I think I may actually be bisexual. On first watch, I did love the show, from a mainly artistic standpoint, and i did appreciate the themes presented and the struggles of the characters. However that point in my life wasn't too bad for me, I was starting to make friends and in a small way I thought I was succeeding. Upon turning 18 I fell into a deep depression, wondering what I would do upon leaving school, and wanting to make more friends and be more outgoing, but not knowing how. I met someone around this time and had a relationship. The person turned out to be simply speaking fucking crazy and I broke it off and fell into another depression, reading lots of absurdist literature and philosophy. It was at this point that I began to connect more with Evangelion, not with any particular character but with the overall theme and message. I'm 19 now. Things got a lot better for me recently, my future is starting to take shape, and i've made a lot of friends and become a lot more socially functional. The experience of the bad relationship affected me, but i'm going to try and recover from it, and try some new things, who knows what will happen.
The point is that Evangelion is not about depression or despair, its about how we recover from those things. Yes, there are those nights when we cry ourselves to sleep, when we're so scared and lonely that we want to curl up and die. But things will get better, even if its just feeling better, or slowly getting better. It all counts.
I can relate with you so much, man/ma'am.
man, and thank you
Said another way: you must not run away from reality, even if reality can painful. "What's wrong with running away from reality if it sucks!?" as Shinji puts it? The whole world could go to hell and it'd be your fault because you had the power to change things, but chose not through your own inaction. You gotta put in the effort and actually live your life or you'll just end up wasting it.
Rebuild adds to this by saying you have to accept your past mistakes instead of trying to change the past. You cannot redo your mistakes; you can only learn from them and move on.
TDOMMX Upon you saying "you cannot redo your mistakes", I just realized 3.0: You Can (Not) Redo...that theme so prevalent that it's right there...in the fucking title itself. Man...how could I have been so daft for this long...I need rewatch everything soon, it's been almost a decade since.
To quote Kaji in the final episode: "a person's truth is so simple that most ignore it to concentrate on what they think are deeper truths".
Sometimes, the answer really is staring you in the face the whole time. Yet some people assert that this kind of straightforwardness is somehow pretentious trolling...
RIP Demolition D
He's still Twitching god help him.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die." -Demo
Cypher Caliban The fuck does that mean?
Cypher Caliban is that a quote from his book? Sounds like some black magic incantation type shit.
Fuck I'm still waiting for him to come back
Someone finally mentioned my boy sudoStef.
Sudo makes pretty neat videos.
Is Galustian your boy?
i feel like he is REALLY underrated.
Srsly, his videos one NGE are amazing (poor cat though)
Sadly he basically just reads the Evangelion Wiki and acts if it was all his ideas.
9:30 "And that to me is exactly who Shinji Ikari is."
Totally. While Shinji is dealing with all of Rei's shit, and Asuka's shit, and Misato's shit, along comes someone that tells Shinji,
literally to his face, "I love you, for you."
No strings attached, no double meaning or two faced or tricking him into doing something he doesn't want, Shinji stood no chance.
[edit] after continuing to watch, that's pretty much what you said :v
I finally watched it as an adult a couple years ago. I think at that age, you'll cut these kids some more slack than you would if you were their age. I'd already known what the fandom thought of the characters: "Shinji is whiny, Asuka is annoying, etc." But I couldn't find myself to hate them as much as I was told I would. In fact, I really liked them. Shinji didn't need to get in the robot, ffs.
Man, Eva is so great.
SO WHERE ARE THE FUCKING BLU RAYS?!
ScreenStuff there are no blu reis
Yes, it's finally here. Time to rejoice about the power NGE it has over its huge audience emotionally. I can't shake how many times I've looked at Shinji and thought, "He's so relateable to my life." Hell, I can even relate to Asuka nowadays and that shocks me a bit.
Malform Beats It is a problem technically speaking if you're like him, which is why him being so scared of connecting to connect with people as I was is relatable. My reasons were fairly different and involve things that some may consider a bit extreme but my point wasn't that it was either good or bad. My comment was more toward experiencing relationships and situations like Shinji but not that it's something to be idealized. It's just from my viewing experience a bunch of characters lack being relatable and haven't and never will reach people like NGE.
WalkingGirlKoi I can relate to Asuka, a LOT
id like to hear those reasons, just for curiosity's sake. :)
Ivan Uriel Scd Flrs When i was a teen i was very brash and prone to get angry or frustrated about stuff due not being upfront about my feelings or not being honest with myself (about things or people) then i fell from my "throne" and i got depression (i feel MUCH better now), somewhat like Asuka.
Asuka is about how hard an ego can blind you and how it can really take your world being yanked out from under you to convince you that its YOU that is in the wrong. But that there is hope if you can commit to letting it go.
In april 19, 2015 I attempted suicide by jumping off a bridge, but I couldn't bring myself to jump. I just got out of school, I was confused and didn't know what to do and where to go from there. A little more than a year later, on May 2016, I was a bit more stable due to treatment, a friend of mine proposed we do a mecha anime marathon, I accepted and decided to watch Evangelion, since I've heard things about its infamous protagonist and how "bad" it was, supposedly. After finishing watching it, I couldn't stop thinking "HOW people consider this bad!?!??". Since then, Evangelion became my favourite anime of all time due to its realistic characters, I was shocked when I realised how similar I am to Shinji. People who complain about him have no idea what it's like to live with depression and/or have no ability to feel empathy and I feel sorry for them, they're missing out on one of the things that makes us human.
Marcello Silva I agree. Many people say insensitive things about its fanbase, and it pains me. NGE has helped me get through anorexia, and I don't think I'd have be able to if not for it. I think, at least the rational haters, should respect that it can change people enough to not post rude comments.
I don't mind anyone disliking it. I'm not going to say 'You only dislike it because you don't understand it!' because that's annoying. But I will say, if you didn't try to understand NGE and base an opinion on an incomplete comprehension, then your statement is invalid. You may not relate to it or understand it, but that's no reason to start dissing the fans and show. If you don't like it for it's characters or convoluted plot, I don't mind.
But try to be coherent with an argument. Don't just say 'Shinji's such a wuss, and anyone who likes him is emo and suicidal' (Yes, I have seen comments like that). Go ahead and dislike it, but don't take it too far, because it's harder to take for some than for others. Just saying, I agree with your comment :)
Angel Star That's incredibly rude. I'm not her, but I think she meant that she was planning to commit suicide, however couldn't due to whatever her personal business of it was (She could be a coward, or have wanted to live, or felt some semblance of happiness prior to that event, etc... Regardless, it's not my business but I'm just contemplating because you don't seem to understand it) I'm not her, but I have had suicidal thoughts.
To say such a thing is appallingly just, horrible as a human being. You know nothing of his/her life, so don't act like you do. I doubt you've had suicidal thoughts, and if you have then possibly you're projecting your frustration (?), whatever you mean I'm personally offended as suicide is not always for attention, and anyone's who experienced it knows it runs depression than such superficial things (At least, most of the time), or they should have at least good reasoning for vying for attention.
If I sound aggressive, I often try not to, but carelessly throwing around words in such a flippant manner when it may affect another's life deeply is pitiful, because it can cause serious blows to that person's self esteem. I may sound preachy, and in any case I don't know his/her circumstances, but I felt obligated to say so and didn't mean to sound angry, even if I slightly am. If you mean it in a questioning manner and not in a spiteful one, then please try and clarify.
Ok, now I sound rude, but I don't regret saying this. I do apologize if I did sound aggressive, but I don't regret saying it (I do regret saying it aggressively, however I have zero motivation to change it with my temper on the line. I might come back later and properly apologize).
Angel Star No, it's more that they thought they could do it and came close but couldn't. It's frankly really horrible to assume that not going through with it is a ploy for attention. There's a lot going on in peoples' minds when they're on the edge like that.
Voyd Yes, I agree.
Angel Star My psychologist later explained that: My will to keep living was way stronger than my desire to die. I believe the terms used in psychology for that are Eros (will to live, to do productive things, sex and propagation, etc.) and Thanatos (drive towards death, self-destruction, desire to return to a inorganic/inanimate state, etc.).
I was 17 when I first watched Evangelion and I personally related to Shinji because I was the way he was when I was 14. Socially awkward and alone, as I moved away from the cliquey middle school I was at and went to a more broader high school I eventually came out of my shell and became a loud and relaxed person. Still though I enjoyed Evangelion because for the first time ever, I could personally relate to a fictional character and feel like I could truly understand their thoughts and emotions because I knew what it was like to be in their shoes. I feel like the show would be hard for someone to watch if they haven't had experienced the level of social ostracizing I did or Shinji did and I love this show because it shows what the "loner" protagonist is really like as opposed to the typical shonen battle series.
End of Eva so gooood ;-;
It is. Also it's so weird, visceral and confusing. Which adds to "good", I guess.
Man, I need to rewatch the series.
Because I remember being dissapointed - the original ending seemed better to me.
Mousazz I thought the ending of the anime and the movie were the same ending just in different perspectives? At least that's what I thought lol.
blissful Harmony the anime TV series ending was what was going on in shinjis mind during the events of the movie I'm pretty sure
+KJ Corp
I agree the ending is magnificent
While I can't say I'm a big fan of 3.33 (or The End of Evangelion, for that matter), I think I understand what Anno was trying to communicate in the film besides the obvious "You Can (Not) Redo" (i.e.: you can't take back your mistakes and do things over -- you just have to learn to live with the consequences of your actions and take any lessons to be learned to heart).
In 3.33, pretty much all of the conflicts that occur were either started by or exacerbated by the fact that the characters refuse to communicate with each other. Bits and pieces of what they think and feel are conveyed to one another, but never the whole picture. The audience is confused and disoriented about seeing what's happened, but is never actually taught what happened during the 14 years since the end of 2.22 (putting us squarely in Shinji's mindset of not knowing what the hell's going on).
It'd be far more productive for someone to sit Shinji down and explain what's happened to the world and why they're placing the restrictions on him that they do, but no one ever does. Sakura comes the closest to even trying out of all of Wille's staff, and she has absolutely no prior relationship with Shinji to color her actions or perception. Kaworu, on the other hand, tries to be honest with Shinji and shares with him what we knows (even if that knowledge proves to be erroneous) -- something Shinji greatly appreciates in a world that just doesn't make any sense to him. Shinji tries to do what he thinks is the right thing based on the incomplete information he's actually given. Just like in real life, him knowing only part of the story makes things far worse than him not knowing anything at all.
Think of it as a child trying to make things right while their parents are in the middle of getting a divorce, not understanding what's going on around them or why. All the child knows is that people are hurting and clumsily tries to cheer everyone up, and is understandably shocked when people lash out at him for unknowingly making things worse.
Also, I think I should point out that, at the end of 2.22, Shinji says flat-out: I don't care if I have to fuck up the world to do it, but I'm saving Rei. He zeroes his focus on accomplishing just one goal at the expense of everything else. Then, in 3.33, when he realizes he hadn't succeeded in that goal the way he had thought, he has a complete mental breakdown. The world hasn't forgotten that Shinji effectively told it to fuck off, and it's understandably angry about the pain it's had to deal with that Shinji caused but wasn't at all aware of (whether by genuine obliviousness or by callous disregard). If, in real life, you hyperfocus on a project, neglecting and brushing off the people around you for months or even years and thing don't pan out, it's not unreasonable for those people to be pissed at you the next time you try to contact them.
That said, I consider 3.33 to be the Quantum of Solace to Evangelion's James Bond. My jury is out on the film for now. I'm kinda hoping the finale will be the Skyfall that retroactively improves on 3.33's shortcomings by making them part of the setup for its sequel (seriously, how Skyfall plugged Quantum's plotholes was brilliant). I'm not doing to expect more than a Spectre, though -- I've already been through the ending of Evangelion three times already (TV, film, and manga), and been left unsatisfied by all of them to varying degrees.
Oh, I'm the host of Understanding Evangelion at Montreal Otakuthon, cohosting 2015's festivities with Tristan MacAvery (Gendo Ikari himself). You can grab my slides from my August 2011 blog post at Darkside Translations (dot com). Tristan is an awesome guy to hang out with; we had tons of fun mocking Matt Greenfield's pretentious Mythology of Evangelion featurettes over breakfast.
I have high functioning autism/aspergers. On my first watch i identified more with Rei. I'm definitely more of a Rei. With a hint of Kensuke. Not sure who id be now.
God, do I love this show! Evangelion was for a rather embarrassingly long time (along with 1995's Ghost in the Shell movie) the only anime I'd watch; and on an annual marathon basis at that (blame my friends). Since explaining everything I like about Eva would expand this comment into a lengthy-ass critical essay, I'll just mention two mutually-reinforcing points. The first is how it uses genuine personal growth as a character development device - while most animes (and most fiction in general) tend to develop their characters by using different situations as a prism that exposes unseen yet already existing 'sides' of their personalities, Eva's characters are sequentially and irreversibly changed by the quickly unfolding events around them. The other is just how fucking cool to look at it still is - I think Eva encapsulates my "ideal" TV anime aesthetic, one that lies beyond 80s Mikimoto SF design (which still feels reminiscent of Leiji Matsumoto and other 70s SF anime and manga) while still not having fallen prey to the bland shading and horrid CG that would become so prevalent throughout the late 90s and early 00s. Over the last year I've softened my attitude to other animes a lot; however, Evangelion still feels "alive" in a way most others never do for me. While there may be an element of subjective appreciation to this, I think most animes seem largely unconcerned with processes, rather choosing to capture static snapshots of mood or experience (some of my newer favourites excel at this type of presentation); whereas Eva seems almost celebratory in its depiction of growth and decay. Ultimately, this is the reason I doubt it'll ever stop being my favourite piece of anime, and perhaps of fiction, ever.
Oh did anyone mention the music? Because I love me the music in this show a fair bit.
I love the music a lot too. Also, funny you mention "bland shading", because one of the things I like from the rebuilds is the shading, specially on the Evangelions, their armour actually looks like metal because of the way it reflected light and such.
Yeah, my gripes surrounding 00s digital coloring and CG are pretty much a TV-exclusive thing and the first Rebuild movie marked the point, for me, where I began to rethink my position that digital techniques had ruined anime (it'd be a long while until I'd rethink my position that anime had been ruined by sheer virtue of being anime though - I was that kind of otaku). That said, while I love the look of the Rebuild movies, I do think they sacrifice a good bit of the bold coloring and shading in the TV version - part of it I attribute to a deliberate intention to make it feel more film-like, but I also think they had to go with more muted colors and smoother shading in order to make the 2D characters and environments mesh better with all of the (beautiful, I admit) 3D work on mechanical stuff, evas and angels. When I talk about bland 00s digital I'm talking more about otherwise outstanding and gorgeously animated shows, such as Stand Alone Complex or Eureka 7, which to my taste fell prey to a lot of the limitations in early digital work and the lack of the kind of advanced postprocessing techniques studios like Ufotable or Kyoani would bring forward later on.
ramiel is the only acceptable waifu
>not choosing pen pen
m8 animal bestiality best shit
You're both wrong, the correct answer to this dilemma is Asuka, but ONLY in her heat protection suit.
LaserFace23 T H I C C
Leliel all the way. That invisible hyperdimensional body is sexy as hell
Chief Superintendent Lookout of the Yard: Admit it. You just like her because she's a hole. ;-)
After finishing Evangelion for the first time I was crushed by an overwhelming sense of existential dread. So much so that I didn't eat or sleep for days spending it laying in bed staring at nothing. I've never had such a visceral reaction to a piece of media before. Looking back on I'm quite certain these ideas were already present within me but I had repressed them for so long because it was too distressing to confront, this was until evangelion allowed me recognize my own fear of non-existence, and my fragile sense of self meaning and identity. In this way it was wonderfully therapeutic. Evangelion cuts deeply into the heart of the human condition in ways that only a few other pieces of art have been able to accomplish for me. So much so that I believe its impact goes beyond the capacity of critical analysis to recognize. I think this is your (digi's) struggle with the latter half of the series, it lacks that critical perfection which you seem to praise (and rightly so) but it has something more than this, something which is not easily expressed in words nor easily measured by analytic metrics.
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Oo-oh-ah, oo-oh-ah!
parabens!
I finally watched Eva a week ago and at 23 I still relate more to Shinji than the other characters (although I understand most of them). I had an interesting pattern of disliking every character introduced at first but slowly growing to like each character once I learned more about them.
Get in the fucking van Digibro
I spent about $600 to get the Platinum Collection of the series, Death and Rebirth, EoE, the Rebuild films and all the 3-in-1 mangas.
I might have some impulse control problems.
Team Rocket Would do the same tbh
Team Rocket That's pure dedication lol.
Team Rocket I got eoe, death and rebirth, platinum collection, the rebuild films, and the manga 3 in 1s for 410 dollars.
Would have been less but I accidentally bought 2 sets of the Platinum Collection, the standard one and the Limited Edition Holiday Set
$600!? I spent £50 on Platinum, and maybe £100-£150 overall for the rest.
Episode 16 is the best: it has all the interesting aspects of the first half and instrumentality, and has some tear jerking moments. I had my younger brother watch it with me and we both cried.
What stood out to me was Gendo's total failure as a father.
It's been a while since I've seen the original series, but I remember knowing my take on it was strange even then. I was in my mid twenties and grew up in two-parent home, so that's the perspective I had. I thought that if Gendo had been there for his son, Shinji might have developed a more capable emotional center and social skills, and navigated his situation more easily. Of course, Gendo was very busy trying to make weapons to save mankind, and fighting cthuloid horrors is probably too much for even the most well-adjusted adolescent to handle. Even so, I can't help but see Gendo as not man enough to be a father to his own son, and the main aggravating factor for a lot of the character's troubles.
The Big Brzezinski That is a very accurate assessment of his character. He even said so himself in EoE, how he ditched his son because he's scared of human contact.
Ritsuko also says it in episode 5 I think, "Rei is like your father. She's not very adept at . . . Life, I guess."
You can connect with Eva best if you're going through some heavy shit.
The third Eva movie I quite enjoyed, I loved that it finally actually addressed certain things that were always there but never addressed.
Refresh my memory, I watched the movie a while ago but I don't remember it well enough.
I mean things like Shingi finally learning Rei is a clone of his Mom.
"the only white kid at the entire school"
What? Where was this?
Africa?
because of the way school districts are drawn black only public school are a thing
MonkeyShinesu you must be new to America
assuming that everyone on youtube lives in america lol
SSj3_God _goku wat ?
you don't even have to be young to relate to shinji! the first time I saw Eva I managed to relate to a lot of the characters. and then I rewatched it when I was 19, when I was going through a depression, because I was lonely and that had effected my studies and that had made me doubt my future, and I could ONLY relate to shinji (and Rei, somehow). Eva had always been my favorite show, it effected me at my highest and lowest moments.
My boi Goat Jesus got a name drop. Finally.
eva is the greatest
My literal problem
Relationships terrify me
It was my #1 favorite for a long time and it helped me get through some terribly hard times in my life and I can say that partially thanks to it I managed to move on and grow. That having ended, it's no longer my number one, not even top 10 anymore, but I will always have a special kind of love and affection towards this series and what it means.
God, I waited for video like this for so long.
When I was a kid I didn't really, identify with Shinji. I though he was whiny. I hated him. The infantile desire to pilot a mech and 'save everyone' was extremely strong in me. Why wouldn't he want that? All of the other things, the psychological exploration and vague philosophical musings were irrelevant. I had friends and I had people I interacted with I didn't get along with and didn't like, but understood. Now as an adult, I see Shinji as a kid who desperately need someone to notice him. Every action he take is a desperate cry for help. All of the philosophical and psychological aspects of the show fill me with sorrow. I hope that when I'm a father I never abandon my child the way Gendo abandons Shinji.
Also, Shinji and Asuka are child soldiers. The actual fuck, someone arrest Gendo. There's got to be a better way that having children do this. Yeah, I get it, their mother's souls are in the evas, surely there is a way to mock the input so that a solider with combat experience can do this. Or hell, just automate the damn things. Yes, yes, I'm sure there are a lot of thematic reasons why they're all kids, but I'm just saying that as an adult when I see this that's where my mind goes.
This is the precise reason why I think it was so important for NGE to have characters like Asuka and Rei, people to call into question and show the opposite vision of the arguable selfish one Shinji has. You can connect with Shinji, you can see him as a whiny bitch and connect with Asuka, you can see him as a selfish ungrateful brat and connect with Rei, you can see him as a broken kid and connect with Misato, heck if you are an utilitarian with a "for the greater good" mentality you can connect with Gendo up to a certain point. I think there are very few people who can see nobody to connect with in Eva, and perhaps those who don't just haven't given it a serious try.
@@andresarancio6696 "For the greater good" but Gendo wasn't really fighting for the greater good, he just wanted to reunite with Yui and was blinded by this prospect.
Thanks for the video. I always happy to see an Evangelion video, and this was really interesting and not a way like deep analysis stuff.
I miss demo.
Dick Dale I am Demo.
I can relate to what you've shared and talked about in this video. Thank you mate.
I've really enjoyed this podcast series. Probably some of the best content on your channel.
Amazing video, thank you so much.
"Reminds me of that time I got depressed so I decided to make an anime about it and set it in high school so that it was relatable to edgy depressed teenagers and then I made a million dollars" - Anno
Everice I loved that episode of Family Guy.
If I had to choose between NGE and Family Guy I'd probably go for the latter
That's quite some shit taste. Even for you.
I regret running with your meme since I now realize you're a top-tier pleb.
Not Overwatch which episode? I wanna watch it.
*And here I am, at the crisp age of 14*
Man now I want a eva video made by Endless Jess.
Whatever he does it will surely be insightful no matter what
What a great review. This is the way that should be all reviews, filled with the reviewer's soul.
Guess i was one of the only people who could kinda connect to Rei back then...
Not at all. She is a pretty textbook existentialist.
I think of my favorites list as being the shows that I greatly enjoyed when I watched them but also continued to think about from time to time through the years and occasionally rewatch. Evangelion is a great example of this, it was my favorite show for a long time.
Nice video.
My first time watching NGE was pretty much the same (but it was serialized on tv).
Loved it and the last episode was mind blowing, but the idea wasn't new to me because i watched a lot of tv, the approach to it concluding the story is what really got me.
But I still liked it at the second time, witch was a few years latter and was the first time watching TEOE.
I had been holding off on watching this show for years because I was afraid of being disappointed. I literally just finished it an hour ago and saw this video. Digi u reading my mind bro? I really liked your commentary of understanding the show differently based on who you relate to and your age. Being the first time watching it in my 30's I didn't notice it while viewing but realised that I did totally connect with Makoto more than the other characters. I don't know if I would call it a masterpiece or a perfect show, I really have some issues with certain things but it does deserve recognition for being wholly unique and having moments that are unforgettable.
This was a really honest video :)
I'm watching Eva for the first time now and I'm literally the exact same age you were when you were first saw it. I feel like a lot of the philosophical themes are flying over my head right now to be honest. But I'm in love with the show and I hope to have a long history with it as you have.
Well, even as someone who watches/read some of his favorite animes/mangas twice or thrice, I only watched Evangelion once (and same with the remake). Maybe because at the time a friend lent his VHS to me so I never actually owned it, but it would have been easy procuring my own recordings. It's just that Evangelion is so impactful that it's memorable and it makes its point right the first time, and you somehow know that you'll never get back to the sensations you had when first discovering it. Plus, you spend so much time thinking and talking and reading about it that you can easily catch every possible details you might have missed and see it from so many angles with all the formidable analysis that have been made about that show, that just watching it and sharing the passion makes you intimate with it in a way. Other animes I will watch again because they have an ambiance that resonates with me or some cult moments that are always enjoyable to see again. Evangelion isn't the same, it brands your psyche with a red hot iron and introduces you to that kind of great otaku cult, not as a mindless consumerist otaku incapable of growing up, actually Anno criticizes that virulently, but as someone who care and analyse and think about that medium as a form of expression. That is the legacy of Evangelion.
This is a great video
Thank you so much for mentioning _Homestuck_ near the end there. It has taken on the same role for me as _Eva_ seems to have done for you. I loved _Eva_ when l first watched it, but wasn't able to particularly connect to anything in it. I was too old too connect with the kids and too young to connect with the adults. I had gotten out of my angsty teenage years and even then connecting with people was never really the issue for me. _Evangelion_ didn't really have anything for me. I gave it a 9/10 anyway, of course, but it wasn't quite the mindshock.
Now _Serial Experiments Lain_ had a much bigger impact on me. I still think about it too this day. Weird how l gave that a much lower score? Urgh, I'm rambling. Can't wait for the next cast!
I just saw... heard... this video. I encourage you to continue your series on Evangelion beyond episode 10!
I always hear that the more depressed you are at the time you watch Evangelion the more you'll enjoy it... The thing is that I'm never depressed enough to watch it >w>
I wanna watch it, but I sure am taking my sweet-ass time to get around to it...
Michirin9801 Never wish to be in a place where you will enjoy Evangelion. For those of us who are out were it's great, but as great as it is it isn't worth being in the mindset it takes to watch it if you can choose.
I'm not wishing to be in that mindset, but I'm gonna watch it anyway, I'm just afraid that I'm gonna end up being a little disappointed whenever I do get around to it considering what people say...
Michirin9801 Is suggest not listening to anyone, fan or hater. Come with no expectations, and formulate your own conclusion based on that. After all, it was meant to be self-interpreted :).
I didn't felt terrible or wanted to die when I first watched the show, and I still really enjoyed it. You don't have to be in a depression to like it.
Just keep in mind that shinji's not meant to be a power fantasy and try to imagine a real person in the place of someone like shinji and all the other characters in fact.
I loved the Eva videos as it was something different and the reason I subscribed. I had just finished Eva at the time and found them as something more interesting than the 100th "This is what Eva means".
Also it probably speaks volumes that as an older first time Eva watcher I still related to Shinji the most, even if it's largely like looking back on my younger self. I kinda wish I had watched it much younger.
it's always interesting to see how these great shows connect with Digi so much makes me sad that the podcasts are ending
By the 11th time I rewatched it (prior to 3.33's BluRay release), there was still new details being discovered. The story is so dense that if you go long enough without rewatching it, plenty will have been forgotten at least partially and it'll feel like rediscovering it. Essential.
Why did you choose the gay picture of Shinji?
isn't every picture of shinji gay
Nhibii True.
Nhibii No, Shinji is VERY straight. Trust me.
now that i think about it, i don't even want to be part of this conversation. why did i reply to that? why did i think everyone on this site could take a joke
Nhibii nigga, you're response was perfect.
Man I need to watch this show again.
I really liked the 2 episodes, I didn't mind the lack of animation, I appreciated the raw art for what it was. It really made me look at the meaning of existence in a different way.
This is so weird. I was also a 14 year old who had trouble understanding other people and socializing, questioning my sexuality because a guy came onto me
*H O T*
Im sorry m8 not making fun of you
He made a pun, 'came onto me', I doubt that another boys semen actually went onto his face, he was just hit on by another guy
Don't end the series it's your best content at the moment.
I think a friend put it the simplest that NGE is in large about finding self-worth and self-reliance because we all have our problems and even if we can help eachother only I can always be here for me and only I owes me anything.
I was in my teens when I saw NGE for the first time and I remmember geting really messed up by Shinjis entitlement and with the self-centeredness he sees other people (once i realized it). It really helped me start thinking about my own self-centered world view and how I thought of others more in terms of what they were for me than as their own people. Like, nobody owes me anything. I have to earn a connection and I only get out what I put into a relationship. Revolutionary concepts I know :P
I literally stopped fapping because I saw this title , feel honored
Drawin Tits Should've just cam onto an unconscious girl.
BigK: If that's true, then Anno's inclusion of the hospital scene is your fault (or so he says). He's holding up a mirror to the audience, showing them what they look like in his eyes.
TDOMMX Ive never found anything to actually suggest thats how Anno feels. Shinji is a reflection of Anno as well.
Thanatos388 Shinji is a reflection of Anno when he was a dipshit preteen.
"never found anything to suggest thats how Anno feels" Dude, lmao. You have much to learn.
Dude, lmao. Actually point me to something that suggests that that goes beyond random fans pulling it out of their ass. Maybe after that you can direct me to some recent posts where people lie about Anno claiming that he was ever suicidal or that the religious symbolism meant nothing because he wasn't Christian (both are things Anno has never actually said btw but fans make shit up about it all the time).
I'm waiting to be educated.
Good video!!
Nostalgia
I watched it at maybe 17, but I had similar Kaworu incident too, although it turned into something much more complex in the following years. But when that episode came it was something I clicked with so well.
I had almost the same experience, down to watching it only in 2006 and 2015, it's bizarre.
Try to rewatch the third Rebuild movie, I didn't like it much at first but now it's my favorite rebuild.
30:15 completely agree. there just hasn't been anything like Eva and I see it as almost impossible to exist. still my #1 show
Evangelion was the first show I ever felt I didn't understood while watching it and I've only watched it once. Because it made me so depressed and so scared of life, that I watched all up until the movie and decided to never look back until I could understand it and handle the emotional roller coaster that this show is. I could also talk about Evangelion for hours. I was also 14 when I watched it.
I never really connected with any of the main characters, as I said, I never really understood them, so most of my journey is find a way to understand them. Rei could be a good comparison, she's really detached from the other characters and herself; and that's pretty much me back when I was 14 and I kinda still am and that's why I'm not sure if I'm ready to return to the show. The only worth Rei finds on herself is the one other people give to her and that has been my mentality for the last 10 years almost.
The last 2 episodes are incredible. I still have problems explaining all those concepts to myself, but in many ways it shaped my world view, specially my inner world.
There's an after movie series if I'm not mistaken... I watched the first episode and never touched again. I don't really remember why... I think I just didn't want to add more trauma to my life. I was purely contextual reasons, I'm sure.
Honestly I thought the third movie was amazing. YES, it IS a giant departure from what we are used to but isn't that kinda the point of EVA? Old times go away, new times come, accept, after all, this is a reboot not a retelling of the story. While I can't say I completely understand your sentiment and why you hate it I just want you to look at some key points that ME enjoy it :
1) The Shinji-Kaworu relationship is amazing, as always (yes, it may feel kinda forced, but it's a movie that has to abide to certain rules of continuity so while Kaworu's screentime my ultimately be longer in 3.33 it doesn't necessarily mean that they had the time to develop him)
2) Shinji finally gets a backbone, and gets severely punished for it (both for his actions in 2.22 and in 3.33). Honestly I can understand why you dislike this (I did too at the start) but the way I see it now is that's it's pointing towards his "salvation" let's say in 4.0
3) Finally, the movie does a really good job at creating a sense of confusion so that both Shinji AND the viewer have doubts about what is actually right and what is wrong (besides confusionhas always played a massive part in Eva, thing the entire second half per se).
Surely the viewers know that Shinji following Nerv and Gendo is a massive red flag but then Kaworu appears and seems to want to help Shinji, unlike all the staff of WILLE.
What I don't understand about 3.0 though is why Misato of all people hates Shinji, wasn't she the one shouting at the awakened Unit-01 in 2.22 to "do it for himself" and not care about the world. I guees it just kinda adds to the confusion of the Film
Last PS: I hope you'll make a Key the Metal Idol video one day, that show is so underrated and overlooked by everyone.
I watched Evangelion when I was over 40, and it instantly became my favorite anime. It's not anymore (other great works like Madoka, Shirobako and Haibane Renmei have taken its place), but it remains for me one of the best anime of all time. And for me the main reason for that is that, like Haibane, it has believable human characters with believable human problems that are dealt with in-depth along the series. Sure, the Angels stuff is cool, and all, but as has been overly restated (even by the series creator), they're not the focus of the story. The story is not about giant aliens invading the Earth and being fought off by obnoxious kids piloting giant robots. It's about the dysfunctional relationships of a group of very troubled people. And that's what's got me loving the series to this day.
I've been a fan of Evangelion since it first came out in the 90's, and I've probably only watched the whole series four times, and half of those were when showing it to someone else.
I have forst seen the show when I was 17. At that poin I was abouttwo years past a mental situation not unlike the one Shinji finda himself in, with the main difference being that I cut myself off from parental help intentionally, rather than not have it be availible at all. I managed to climb out of it mostly on my own, and it was fascanating to see a rather plausible depiction of where I might have ended up, have I given up.
Gonna have to say I completely agree with you. I'm 16 as of now and I watched Eva about 5 months ago (I was lucky enough to encounter it myself and not be told about it which could potentially lead to me being disappointed, go figure). I thought Evangelion was so amazing it hasn't left my head these past 5 months (hell there hasn't been a day that I haven't sung the opening song). For me Eva did the undoable. It had religious symbolism (despite the fact I hate religion, Eva made me like it's divine element), science, abstract maths cool design for the Evas, even cooler fights, amazing, relatable characters, social studies, psychology, studies of the human psyche and why fundamentally humans can't understand each other (maybe I believed that so easily just because I feel depressed but whatever...) but at the same time had an uplifting message, that we must endure pain and carry on for if there are no such things as pain and suffering and loneliness then humanity might as well not exist because it is that metaphorical "wall" that separates our egos, our consciences (in the series a literal wall, the AT field) that is the source of non understanding and pain, but it is also the reason why we are able to recognize one another as individuals and by extent the reason humanity subjectively exists.
I related to Shinji in ways I had not related to another character or human being before. The only big difference I have with him is that I do understand people, which is the reason that I have isolated myself, mostly because I can't stand, much less accept their and my flaws (things like acting completely in emotion, selfishness, hate, the sere inability to think for themselves, the fact that they act like they know everything while infact we all truly know nothing, since we experience everything through our phaneron, our senses that are non subjective and of limited capacity).I had always been the weird/ugly/awkward one and as a result I have decided to distance myself from others while the same time semi-rejecting their wanting to open up to me, mainly because I understand it is done out of pity.
I guess watching this as an adult, and one who was a kid and teen who thought a lot about this kind of stuff (perception of others and connections) the ending of Eva hit me a lot less, and since I knew of the Behind the Scenes events, I kept being reminded of why the last 2 episodes were slideshows, decreasing considerably my enjoyment of em.
But I still identified with Shinji a lot, as an assburger myself.
And still think Eva is a classic, and a work of art.
I just watched Eva and I’m 16 right now. I relate to shinji with most of the time I just sit down and lie or run away when I’m faced with issues or I have something that I’m not motivated to do.
I don’t have a lot of friends and I’m always scared that someone is going to hurt me or I’ll hurt them. I just want to make friends but I feel like I can’t even get close to them.
It’s also funny because I never looked at shinji though an autistic light which makes sense because I am very much like someone with autism (I’m not diagnosed yet) and I could see how he totally is now
@17:32 personally, I was hoping for a *complimentary* piece to the series in Rebuild. Anno demonstrating that even if he gives the characters the wish-fulfilling ending many fans long for, the characters would end up being miserable, as they would have learned nothing, and remained their self-absorbed, hedgehog dilemma selves, too afraid to seek honest connection.
Mums the word on whether Rebuild is doing this, but I doubt it at this point.
Man, when is Demo coming back i miss that fucker
*Watches the first two episodes* And Now I see playlists worth of Eva videos
Mentioning Demo's Evangelion reviews made me want to go back and watch them... only to find out that the first part has been taken down by copyright claim. Judging by his level of activity, I doubt it will be put back up soon, if ever... RIP one of my favourite videos.
Hey Digibro, after seeing how you compared and contrasted Asterisk War and Chivalry of a Failed Knight a while back and seeing how similar Infinite Stratos is to Hundred I wanted to see how you would compare these 2 anime to each other.
Also if you want a new perspective of Eva, as you said there is no other show that does what Eva does as good as Eva does it, but you could analyze how Eva impacted the entire anime industry. These are characters that eventually defined archetypes that are still being used today Because Eva had a certain psychology that few anime since have truly managed to capture. We don't just assume that Shinji is going to be abused (physically) like so many other anime but we see that most of his abuse is psychological and emotional even if he does get slapped my Rei or beat up by Asuka. We never see Shinji's mother and we hear very little about her. We also don't know what Shinji was like before she died to compare to how he is afterwards so we have no real concept of how her death impacted him. We also don't know why Shinji did not live with his father Gendo so it is entirely likely that after Shinji was born his parents got divorced and she left Gendo and took Shinji with her.
I would also like to see how you feel about the show Freezing and its parallels to Eva given that its a reluctant protagonist fighting with his peers to save the world for reasons that are not readily apparent. Replace Gendo with the MCs grandfather who created the Pandora program and the loss of the mc's sister creates a difficulty forming bonds. He is thrust into a volatile, hostile environment surrounded by people who regard him as little more than dirt despite being the founder's grandson. Once you look beneath the surface we begin to see that each of the characters is similarly flawed in their own way much like the MC. Though to do this you may need to read the manga given that the anime only has 2 seasons and barely scratches the surface of what is going on in the manga at this point. To be fair most of the really deep stuff starts to happen later in the series. Once you get passed the fanservice and focus on the female characters it really does make for an interesting parallel to Evangelion.
Shinji didn't bother me very much whan I watched it(I was probably 18), but the show sure did. I can't for the life of me remember anything about the plot with Nerv, and I feel like after six or so cool, fun episodes of Asuka shit really breaks down and there are whole episodes of people crying in bathtubs and taking elevator rides. That stuff completely lost me, so while there's some _great_ stuff I liked in Evangelion, there are a number of episodes I'd never watch again, and it's mostly those final episodes. I just thought it was dull, and basically had the same experience you had on your second full viewing. Congratulations!
It's great to hear you describe your original experience with it, though.
CONGRATULATIONS
3.0 being pretty shit is actually intentional... hear me out
the rebuilds are essentially a commentary about the negative aspects of the fandom.
The structure even take the form of a bad Eva-fanfic.
1.0 -> got to keep it safe, just copy the first few episodes as best as you can
2.0 -> insert a wacky new original character(Mari) and lots of wish-fulfillment (and suddenly everyone wants Shinji's Dick. also: Rei and Asuka start to warm up to each other)
Also Shinji Beats the big bad angel with the power of Love and try's to break the rules of the universe.
3.0 -> as in almost any Eva-fanfic everything goes completely of script after the angel that fucks up everything.
it essentially states: "look at what you have done! you wanted the fanservice, you wanted Shinji to be less of a confused 14-year-old. look at what you have done! LOOK AT IT AND KNOW IT IS YOUR FAULT!"
but maybe i am just Reading to much into it
and sorry about the typos
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That's not true. Anno didn't say he's just milking it to make money.
How is Anno trolling?
And you think this because? Give me one shred of evidence that your "it's bad on purpose" theory is true because every single fanboy on the god damn planet always comes up with that shit and it's never, ever right.
D I N G D O N G I T ' S T H E O P I N I O N P O L I C E A N D Y O U ' R E U N D E R A R R E S T F O R P O S S E S S I N G B A D O P I N I O N S (which is pretty much hate crime)
only one more episode. aw.. gonna miss this series :v
you should do some on Shounen series
Funny, when I saw the show while I loved the first half, I thought the second half was more exciting. Now it's been decades since I've seen it so maybe I can't exactly remember why. But my impression at the time was (which was no doubt wrong) was that there was manga that came out ahead of the show and it had a typical teen-age mecha fighting story, but eventually the show got past the manga and the director was bored as fuck with recapping yet another teen mecha show, and so he turned it in directions he found interesting. That's when the show gets psychological, metaphorical, and when the mystery of what the Human Instrumentality Project starts to dominate. Also he seemed to keep changing what ideas he was looking at. It was one show then another show then another show. And I grew up in a theater family, so I saw some absurdist and other avant garde theater growing up. So I felt like I really got where it was going as it was wrapping up and it was exciting. I also identified with most of the characters. It would be harder to watch Asuka suffer if you didn't GET her. I have a feeling I might be bored watching that again, but not because it's repetitive but because I'd rather NOT feel how much suffering Asuka had in her life. It would be self-protection to retreat into paying attention the representation. I haven't seen the reboots, but my impression of the movie is that it was a big middle finger to the audience and fans for not understanding his arty series. He was saying "oh, you just want lots of shallow fight scenes? Fine, I'll give you that, along with a parody and satire that violates the characters I gave you and a brutal satiric ending. Before I showed you my heart, this time I'll show you my finger."
Digi talking about Evangelion for half an hour
That's like a drug to me
At 26, I'm rewatching the series, and I find I still relate more to Shinji than to the rest of the cast.
I don't have the intimacy issues of Misato, the neediness of Asuka, the nonchalance of Rei, or the single-mindedness of Gendo.
I feel like much of my time is spent finding purpose, and simply trying to connect with others. As I get older, though, I seem to realize I like the concept of people more than I like them in practice.
If you're fascinated by the sort of "Asuka in Shinji's mind" vs "Asuka in her own mind" stuff I warmly recommend I Am A Strange Loop.
I watched this show when i was 15 boy was that a great time to watch the show
I cannot WAIT to see you and Jess yell incoherently about the third Eva rebuild.
it would be interesting one of these vids about karekano
Shinji, mount yourself within the thrice-accursed automaton.