1810 Newman Motor Generator - Better Than Shop Bought Generator

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Komentáře • 306

  • @jimdaly5077
    @jimdaly5077 Před rokem +5

    Hi I have been watching your videos for a while, it is not my field and so I have asked the odd question ( probably very odd 🙃) but I am surprised how many people nit-pick things you do or say, comment-question great,have fun a joke 👍 but why nit-pick, you are trying to help people. Thank you again. 👍🐝🌞

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +4

      some folks just like to show they know more - and they do - often the unfortunate thing is they seem to get angry about it! That bit I don't understand

  • @russellzauner
    @russellzauner Před rokem +9

    There was recently some news about a kid making an improved reluctance motor - no rare earth materials needed and subsequently super light because no magnets or heavy core. The downside is he's patenting it, so no details have been shared; I haven't checked to see if there's a patent disclosure (the kid is from Florida, USA, so I expect a USPTO filing) but that's what the article said.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      did they also ask for funding? - sounds a bit scam like to me mate

    • @technopirate5050
      @technopirate5050 Před rokem

      I saw that too one of the other tech youtubers covered it seemed really promising

  • @empresspyra
    @empresspyra Před rokem +4

    "Prime Movers" :) such as a set of peddles. The reason I've been watching these inspiration tutorial videos is because I own an electric scooter that can go 30 miles on a charge and I'm using the scooter on snowy and icy roads during the deepest darkest part of a Canadian winter so my idea was :) if I could "top up" the battery as I ride, even if I don't "break even" (on the charging and draining) then at the very least I can reduce the amount of drain thus prolonging my overall available distance. And after watching enough of these I feel I finally have a reasonably legitimate prototype for my setup.

  • @401ksolar
    @401ksolar Před rokem +44

    As I recall when Newman appeared on the Johnny Carson show with his device, he explained some details of the construction of his magnet rotor, this thing peaked my interest so everything went into slow motion as I listened to him speak, he described five stacks of magnet wafers which were glued into five cylinders which were attached in the center creating his rotor, however the one thing that stood out when he described his device was how the five cylinders of magnets were created by gluing strong magnets north to North and South to South thereby creating an accelerated magnetic field in between each magnet glued together, I cannot seem to find that appearance on The Tonight Show with all of those details all that seems to be on the internet are Snippets.

    • @gabydewilde
      @gabydewilde Před rokem +3

      If you are up for it Joe Newman has a rather lengthy patent application that could be a fun read. From watching some of his videos and reading some of the patent his actual motor invention is somewhat more complicated than this demo device.... well... not the thing shown here... the device up here in the video is claimed to be a core-less motor but the magnets quite fanatically want to point upwards?? The bearing also seems quite horrific if we can even call it that.
      But ok, it is suppose to be a stack of magnets on the axle and a coil (without ferromagnetic parts!) and some say the commutator is suppose to SPARK. (It should still kinda work with a reed tho)
      The more advanced application has the stack of magnets packed in ferromagnetic material. It wouldn't work as a conventional generator as the field no longer extends beyond the core. The coil pulses a magnetic field into the core flipping its polarity. You get the sum of the electromagnet and the permanent magnets extending beyond the coil. You get a much greater spike back than you put in which is suppose to trigger the sparks.
      Putting that back into a battery is not a very efficient process (not sufficiently) and another down side (or perhaps an upside?) is that pulsed dc rejuvenates old batteries.
      In the original CNN demo the giant motor runs (indefinitely) on a few tiny non rechargeable batteries that are empty, when the TV team wants to go home they measure the voltage on the batteries and they held more charge than at the beginning.
      People want to cry impossible and argue everyone would be doing it but building a giant device for uhh a few thousand? That can pull its own weight and put milivolts into a battery over several hours isn't actually useful. At best it can make people think.

    • @gconol
      @gconol Před rokem +2

      I used to watch a lot of his videos. There's one in particular that really caught my eye. When he was demonstrating one of his coils which happened to be attached to a balloon sitting on the ground, the thing lifted in the air and oriented with the Earths' magnetic field. From the looks on his face, he didn't anticipate that happening and quickly brushed it off. He did mention that the coil was energized with the main power line, so I was scared to try it.

    • @rikmoran3963
      @rikmoran3963 Před rokem +1

      There is a poor quality clip of the interview on the Johnny Carson Show, about 15 minutes long, on the Physics 101 CZcams channel. Not sure if it's the full interview as I never saw the original.

    • @davidsoulsby1102
      @davidsoulsby1102 Před rokem +3

      Gluing North to North would not create a stronger magnetic force, You would have two Norths fighting against each other, squashing the field, there may be a small bulge radiating from the point of contact though not much. A sort of teardrop but the thin end round not pointed.
      If they go North to South you get a small increase in field strength, the more you stack the bigger it gets, I believe proportional to the amount of magnets used.

    • @gconol
      @gconol Před rokem +5

      @@davidsoulsby1102
      Actually, the idea has some merit. When you force North and North together, the magnetic field in that area is super compressed and it will appear as if it is stronger.
      You can try this with a sheet metal. Attach both north poles on the opposite sides of the sheet metal. No need for glue. You will find that the edges of the metal is extremely strong.

  • @ghassanbarchini1612
    @ghassanbarchini1612 Před rokem +1

    You are a unique excellent master ...
    Wish you the best

  • @mattg6472
    @mattg6472 Před rokem +8

    Thanks Rob for covering this like I asked of you . I appreciate it very much considering the hate I got for even asking this of you . Keep doing great work Rob

    • @mattg6472
      @mattg6472 Před rokem +1

      Go with the trained elephants ! Lol hahaha

    • @mattg6472
      @mattg6472 Před rokem +2

      The results are ridiculous see .. so why is the gene industry doing us like this ? U said 250 milli amp vs 13-14 milli amp . That is crazy how bad they are doing us

    • @justtinkering6713
      @justtinkering6713 Před rokem +1

      It wasn't hate targeted at you it was just healthy scepticism.

    • @Pok3rface
      @Pok3rface Před rokem

      @@mattg6472 I think he said 25 milli amps.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +1

      no worries mate - it was a good question and I wouldn't worry about some folks - they just like to post - most of them have zero content

  • @jamesross1003
    @jamesross1003 Před rokem +3

    That is astounding Rob! From a DIY generator it blows my mind that it performs so well. It would be interesting to see the comparison to what the drill itself is capable of outputting. You did a video a while back where you made generators out of motors of prefab things like the drill, just curious to see how this little generator stacks up to those. Thanks Rob!

  • @newmanzone
    @newmanzone Před rokem

    From one Newman to another, way to go. Thanks for the fun educational vids. Inspirational

  • @ClwnJuNkY
    @ClwnJuNkY Před rokem

    Your on beast mode for all the brilliant content you are throwing at us !!! Thank you very mucj

  • @916619jg
    @916619jg Před rokem +16

    Awesome example and comparison! I do wonder how much copper (by weight) is in the small store bought genny. By looking at it I would assume much less than the Newman genny. I think showing it as an example compared to a store-bought generator of similar mass and size would still drive home your point of simplicity and cost of production. It might even be more convincing. Thank you again for another awesome video. You always do great work

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +6

      cheers mate

    • @dvinnyq2889
      @dvinnyq2889 Před rokem

      Probably made in China and or, made with aluminum wiring. I have found many (75%) transformers that failed were made with aluminum wiring and no coper.. China?

    • @queenstreetsystems
      @queenstreetsystems Před rokem +2

      that's the best word. "awesome" . I have learned SO much and I still haven't watched all Robert's videos.

  • @cheesynuts4291
    @cheesynuts4291 Před rokem +5

    Great video. Hopefully you’ve found it interesting enough to take a crack at making a larger / more deliberate one.

  • @rayg436
    @rayg436 Před rokem +1

    this definitely changes the saying garbage in garbage out.
    great video Robert

  • @Ruzzeem
    @Ruzzeem Před 10 měsíci

    Great video ! good luck with your work !

  • @clixandru
    @clixandru Před rokem

    Great demo. For a fair comparison, the strength of the magnets used and the number of coils or copper mass should matter and may explain the difference.
    Still, your generator was build from scraps, so it's worth experimenting with this.

  • @ClericChris
    @ClericChris Před rokem +2

    It would be important to measure the power lost in the battery of the drill. It's possible it was using more power. I suspect the drill battery will last longer spinning one compared to the other. Just look at the sum of the heat generated on every component to find the winner

  • @longhealthyjoyfullife
    @longhealthyjoyfullife Před rokem +1

    Thanks mate 👍 Hope you look into building a bigger version. Great job

  • @jerrodlopes186
    @jerrodlopes186 Před rokem +5

    I would love to see these in a practical application. I know that's not the thrust of this channel, so it's more of an open challenge to anyone else with the wherewithal to make it happen. I'm not electrically inclined, which is why I don't do it myself. Somebody please make a practical application of this, or several, and post a video for us to see.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      Great suggestion!

    • @fidelcatsro6948
      @fidelcatsro6948 Před rokem

      lets use a small dc motor to spin the assembly with a rechargeable battery and use the assembly current output to recharge the drive battery!

  • @herbetone
    @herbetone Před rokem

    Very enjoyable, thanks Rob.

  • @angelusmendez5084
    @angelusmendez5084 Před rokem +2

    That's pretty impressive 👏👏👏

  • @partoftheabsoluteone4960

    Nice one Rob! - Looks like a perfect project for your "floating" magnetic bearing setup? - Looking forward to the next stage. How many people will be off down to the tip to grab some old dead microwaves this week!! Ha

  • @Digidoc316
    @Digidoc316 Před rokem +1

    Fascinating! Thinking of old style rural wind turbines.
    A 90 degree power diverter on the output shaft directs the torque down along a light weight tubular drive shaft to the base.
    The head is supported by mag-lev so friction is minimal.
    At the base, an automotive flex plate from an wrecking yard automatic transmission is mounted to the output shaft.
    Geared into the flex plate at a gear ratio of approximately 1:15 is a series of Newman alternators mounted to a plate and wired in series - parallel, raising the output voltage while keeping the current low; say 1 amp. The 6 volt bulb got plenty bright running the alternator at 2100 rpm. I'm presuming about 8 volts.
    Two alternators in four parallel strings should yield 16 volts and 1 amp at a turbine speed of 140 rpm.
    Not bad for scrap parts and a few magnets!

  • @nathancarmichael7050
    @nathancarmichael7050 Před rokem

    so awesome I love it, thank you. have a wonderful day

  • @murdocks4304
    @murdocks4304 Před rokem

    FYI. I do know that forcing cylinder magnets in line and with opposing fields is used in linear thrust actuators. Makes for a very strong magnetic field and very different lines of flux. Using Cylinder magnets over a threaded rod and nuts allows you to force them together. Something worth experimenting with generation for sure!

  • @daneking1209
    @daneking1209 Před rokem

    Commented this several times and not giving up as it’s VERY IMPORTANT. Please show how to harness this power to change Ecoflow battery or what it would take to do so. Thanks!!!!

    • @401ksolar
      @401ksolar Před rokem

      Isn't that someone else's commercial venture? Why not go to their CZcams channel and ask them LOL

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      there is lots of info on how to do that - give it a go

  • @ambersmith6517
    @ambersmith6517 Před rokem

    i love how you respond to the ones how think them self smart if they only knew how they make them self truly look but that pride has them blinded just like the first sin

  • @RODOLFO.M.S
    @RODOLFO.M.S Před rokem

    Muito obrigado pela oportunidade de aprender com seus vídeos.
    👍🇧🇷🙏🏼

  • @happytuber3669
    @happytuber3669 Před rokem +1

    Awesome as usual Robert. One question though, the magnets within the coils appear to be attracted to the upright position in your demo at 0:33, therefore is there a 'metal cross plate' between the coils where the terminals are located which is causing this?
    Many thanks, John (UK)

  • @In_fluss
    @In_fluss Před rokem

    What a great comparison 👏👏👏

  • @Spinningininfinity
    @Spinningininfinity Před rokem

    You are the Prime Mover dear sir!

  • @das250250
    @das250250 Před rokem

    Rob your laugh is therapy

  • @BobSmith-vq3uo
    @BobSmith-vq3uo Před rokem

    Wow. Looks like you've inadvertently blown the cover off an entire industry. But that's how paradigms shift and true science advances. All the best.

  • @piconano
    @piconano Před rokem +1

    Newman motor became very popular with the free energy crowd back in 2000 or so.

  • @MX6MAXIMUS
    @MX6MAXIMUS Před 9 měsíci

    Put cockroft walton multipliesrs off each coil; one set ground to positive, the other in reverse; ground to negative.Spark gap the positive and negative. Then capacitors off those legs to a transformer. Do whatever you want off the transformer.

  • @Moodymongul
    @Moodymongul Před 6 měsíci

    Talking of Newmans, i'd love to see you do a breakdown of Joseph Newman and his ideas :)
    Covered in the documentary ' Newman ' (trailer on YT), by Film Rise studio.
    i think, his idea went as follows:
    That the magnetic field of a permanent magnet is itself an energy source. So he tried inventing a device that inputs a small electro-magnetic field to periodically tap into the larger permanent-magnetic field. To gain additional rotational momentum ;)
    Yes, i know where this takes us :). but i really enjoy when you breakdown these types of ideas.

  • @tradermunky1998
    @tradermunky1998 Před rokem +3

    Very cool!

  • @rogercutler2033
    @rogercutler2033 Před rokem

    A few negative comments today I'm afraid. Thought I would check what they have come up with on their CZcams page but nothing there!! Keep up the good interesting work Rob. Most of us think what you put on every day is excellent.

  • @garrettgonzales9478
    @garrettgonzales9478 Před rokem

    Hi Rob! Thank you for this video! I have actually made the Newman motor generator, just to see what would happen. I am curious though, is it possible to wire 4 coils in parallel? I have a thick coil and thin coil as of now, but I want to add 2 more thick coils. I was thinking of adding another magnet rotor down the shaft and either, have the 2 additional coils wired together and send the output from each set of coils to a common post...or try to wire them together and only have one output. Any advice on how you might do it?

  • @cheyannei5983
    @cheyannei5983 Před rokem +1

    The generator's lack of cogging and low startup torque are very attractive features for wind power generation, too. Vertical/helical turbines don't get up to the crazy high RPM that the classic sky-monsters do, but they'll spin in a breeze that your own face can scarcely feel. Generators suitable for such low RPM are few and far between.

  • @Buzzhumma
    @Buzzhumma Před rokem

    That is impressive Rob!
    It begs the question about the secondary coils and if they may improve it even more with 10 times the windings as the other day you mentioned the length of wire was apart of the equation and efficiency!

    • @justtinkering6713
      @justtinkering6713 Před rokem +1

      The farther the magnet gets from the wire ,the less you will get, so there are limitations. The more wire you use , then the more resistance there is to current flow. There are trade-offs with everything. I would be interested to see the difference if the ferrous terminals were removed. I'm going to attempt one. I should say that stacking magnets that way makes a powerful magnetic field, but a single, solid magnet of the same size would be about 40 percent stronger and even generate more. I am very surprised at how well this works. Thanks Rob

    • @Buzzhumma
      @Buzzhumma Před rokem

      @@justtinkering6713 yeah i was thinking from the perpective of far higher voltage actually travelling with lower resistance as i believe it is the case but maybe at 10 times the voltage it still isn't high enough to be something worth doing . I don't know but it might !

    • @justtinkering6713
      @justtinkering6713 Před rokem +1

      @@Buzzhumma All you need is enough to charge a battery. I dont know any application where you would use the output directly. Charge the battery then send that to an inverter for AC. Or you could ditch the copper coils and put a flat sheet of copper with some sort of heat exchanger to make hot water or hot air.

  • @corringhamdepot4434
    @corringhamdepot4434 Před rokem +2

    Many years ago I picked up a box of scrap Marklin Gauge 1 train locos with AC motors. I followed my simple logic to get one to run on DC. By picking out the connections to the various windings and adding a couple of diodes. So the coils would only spin the motor in one direction on DC. I reasoned that an AC motor on DC would have different coils pushing in different directions at the same time. It worked, and the loco went back and forth fine using the DC controller. However, I seem to remember that if you turned the actual loco around on the track, then the loco direction reversed. Wondering if you could convert a small AC motor into a DC generator in a similar way using diodes. 🤔

  • @sultanalkharraz6807
    @sultanalkharraz6807 Před 27 dny

    I liked the idea of ​​the trained elephant 😂😂😂

  • @flps3577
    @flps3577 Před rokem +5

    Great content as always!
    I suspect the difference here is slightly misleading.
    You can hear the drill spinning at full rpm in both cases, being limited by the drill itself. Differnt design of these makes it really hard to compare efficincies. As an example turning a car alternator and a small motor/generator at same rpm gives hugely different output. I understand that the point is to have something easily made perform well. I'm just trying to point out some of the reasons for the output difference.
    All that said, very interestin topic and I appreciate your videos very much, they are a great source of inspiration.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +3

      there are lots of reasons mate probably the most significant is just the magnet field strength - I used N35 chances are the store bought one used ceramic - but the whole point is price and home made versus shop bought - £30 versus £3 - and I put the same input in - roughly

  • @Kapalek84
    @Kapalek84 Před rokem

    high voltage coreless generators are good for lightning up bulbs :) nice video! Kind regards!

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      indeed mate lol lol - but as the load was the same - you could see the difference in performance just by looking - the lamp was very much brighter and being a filament lamp it was a resistive load - so - good for charging batteries

    • @Kapalek84
      @Kapalek84 Před rokem +1

      @@ThinkingandTinkeringcoreless generators should not have any iron losses, with lots of turns on the coil they should generate high voltage at low rpm only negative side I can think of is high resistance of coils but at low amperes with high voltage good power output can be achieved and coils should not heat up.

  • @zeropointfuel
    @zeropointfuel Před rokem +1

    Nice, I will have to try that. I found if I put metal behind a magnet it increases its field strength considerably maybe a small block of Steel to create the rotor place the magnets on the steel this would put the magnets closer to the coil and possibly increase your output but again I could be talking out of my a** :)

  • @ianbrown8408
    @ianbrown8408 Před rokem

    Great result! Could not help thinking, if you turned it on its side, with the axis running through the short ends, using a magnet with the poles through the side, you would get 3 to 4 times the power.

  • @freedomer342
    @freedomer342 Před rokem

    Robert, according to induction, you can stack a coil on the generating coil. How high/much coils could you tie to the generator coil until you do not have a voltage coming out of it via induction?

  • @pixelspring
    @pixelspring Před rokem

    At the same drive rpm drill speed the Newman generator magnetic field is rotating at a much greater effective end radius, so likely travelling at a higher velocity past the wire.. plus perhaps there is more length of wire in those old transformer cores? Without knowing the winding setup inside the other gene , kind of hard to make a full comparison … another great video Robert. 👍

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +2

      oh there will be quite a few reasons - like the Newman had much stronger magnets - it's likely the store bought was using ceramic magnets - but all we are showing is you can make something cheaper with. more out for the same in - that's about it really

    • @pixelspring
      @pixelspring Před rokem

      ... love your work Robert. You are a real treasure.

  • @EverBeyondRadio
    @EverBeyondRadio Před rokem

    I bought Joseph Newman's book in the mid 80-s and still have it. He has interesting theories along with the design of the motor. do you have a copy Rob? have you seen his theory on the "gyron"?

  • @murdocks4304
    @murdocks4304 Před rokem

    Hi Rob, I was revisiting your push pull inverter and had some thoughts for ya. What if mechanical switching was used in place mosfets? A Wind turbine using only coils, caps and diodes could be very useful. Food for thot. 👍keep up the great work

  • @prototype9000
    @prototype9000 Před rokem

    Finally took 15 years for someone to try it

  • @causmogroov3764
    @causmogroov3764 Před rokem

    Thank you!! May I ask, what is the RPM of your drill/primary driver?

  • @nathanaelsmith3553
    @nathanaelsmith3553 Před rokem

    Impressive

  • @toml.8210
    @toml.8210 Před rokem

    Brilliant!

  • @InfinionExperiments
    @InfinionExperiments Před rokem

    I'm a big fan of SRMs over magnet motors. Was there a follow up to video 1234?

  • @Tithrem
    @Tithrem Před rokem

    Would love to see an attempt to leverage buoyancy in a "gravity battery" using this generator

  • @InfinionExperiments
    @InfinionExperiments Před rokem

    I imagine you'd get even higher induced voltages with an iron keeper and magnets that are proximally closer to the coils' surface. You might actually not need the iron keeper since a large volume of copper is being cut across by the rotating magnetic field. But it's clear that for such an eccentric rotor shape like this, it needs to operate as best as possible at low speed where loss due to air drag and vibration are negligible.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      maybe but you would also get cogging - which would mean it wouldn't operate well at low speeds

  • @yoashuain1
    @yoashuain1 Před rokem

    What kind of reverse power can you get with it. I mean if you put a current thought it, rpms and so forth.

  • @marcfruchtman9473
    @marcfruchtman9473 Před rokem

    Very nice.

  • @Zanderman2000
    @Zanderman2000 Před 5 měsíci

    Good day sir. That generator seems to be very effective. Did you measure the volts output? I would like to calculate the possible watts this type of generator makes. If it is 220V coil and you have two of them in series, is it 440V 0,25A? So the generator output is somewhere between 0-110watts. Btw. does it feel like it creates lenz braking effect while you hand spin it when it is connected to load?

  • @GlueChube
    @GlueChube Před rokem

    Very good.

  • @randomhuman1965
    @randomhuman1965 Před rokem

    Awesome

  • @ryanjamesloyd6733
    @ryanjamesloyd6733 Před rokem +2

    So here's a dumb question that I thought of while watching one of your other recent vids, but it applies here as well- if you set up 2 coils like that, one with thin wire (for volts), and one with thick wire (for amps), can you feed both of those to the same place to get both a decent voltage and amperage, or is that just a ridiculous notion?

  • @krackd-tv1364
    @krackd-tv1364 Před rokem

    so i want to say ive done this same thing in the past except i didnt test it against a store bought one in fact i was thinking this whole time 20 years or so that the store bought ones would be as good or better to be totally honest i just assumed they were better because its built specifically for that but anyway im assuming again but i think the coil is the reason its better because the coil has the ammount of turns it has . but i would love to see you go though testing to determine what exactly it is that would produce the best possible build for making things liek this from scrap maybe even if we took the coils down and re wound them in a closer proximity or had stronger magnets things like this

  • @McRootbeer
    @McRootbeer Před rokem

    Any idea if it would be feasible to use a 3rd coil for commutation on the Newman motor? Just a single coil that follows one of the main coils and triggers the timing so both main coils can be used for power?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +1

      I would think that would be easy to do mate - I also thought of pulling one coil from a standard dc motor and using that as a tickler coil

  • @fxeconomist
    @fxeconomist Před rokem

    But would the reciprocal be valid ? Can we see some overunity ? Have the commercial motor powered up, spin the Newman generator. Even if it's at 50% efficiency. Then how about adding a second magnet on the same shaft and brushes. So you get also a homopolar generator at the same time.

  • @comanchethomas8011
    @comanchethomas8011 Před rokem

    Mr. Smith. Will you work on building and creating a 3-D printer filament extruder so users could help develop a 3D filament recycle machine

  • @Infinion
    @Infinion Před rokem

    Better than a shop bought generator at low RPM for sure. At the 12V motors rated RPM, however, will be a different story, but its a good post-apoc build when there aren't convenient shops around!

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      no - actually it wouldn't

    • @Infinion
      @Infinion Před rokem

      @@ThinkingandTinkering What?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      @@Infinion it wouldn't be a different story - I am not sure why you think it would - all generators are governed by Lorentz's law where emf=BLV sine theta - at the rated rpm of a store bought generator then yes it would output more but so would the Newman generator by the same factor

    • @Infinion
      @Infinion Před rokem

      @@ThinkingandTinkering I'm mostly a fan of motor characteristic curves because its less convention through theory and more practical empiricism to make conclusions with. When voltage is proportional to speed (the mentioned BLV) and current is proportional to torque (IAB), yeah the newman generator is going to scale up ... for a little bit. It might even scale by a large degree since you gave it a huge loop area with those MOT windings. But assuming the magnets don't fall apart from the centripedal forces and counter-torque, there will be some yet determined speed where "MOT Newman's" power output will plateau and efficiency drops off from electrical and mechanical losses. If the 12V motor experiences that before MOT Newman, then oh yeah your claim will most certainly hold true.

  • @ArcturanMegadonkey
    @ArcturanMegadonkey Před rokem

    I wonder what a Radio controlled model aircraft starter would generate if you were to spin it?

  • @williamphillips2415
    @williamphillips2415 Před rokem

    Cascade a bunch of them Rob 😃

  • @Dorpz
    @Dorpz Před rokem

    Awesome, now you just need to test the peak wattage of Luke as the input, he might be able to solve the energy crisis!

  • @stewartpalmer2456
    @stewartpalmer2456 Před rokem

    It would be interesting if you could get your hands on a Tesla car energy recovery generator to see what advancements have been made by the car company. From all my research into Nichola Tesla's work with Edison, I have been lead to believe generators have been handy capped. Just wondering.

  • @stephenjones7804
    @stephenjones7804 Před rokem

    What about if you had magnets at 90 degrees to the present magnets would that produce more power.

  • @aramteymurazyan9796
    @aramteymurazyan9796 Před rokem

    would probably perform better if the coils were turned on their sides and the magnetic field was crossing the longer span of the coils (assuming the field strength stay the same). Are you using high voltage or low voltage coil out of the transformers?

  • @voltrevolt8731
    @voltrevolt8731 Před rokem

    Finally, a use for my elephants! Lol very cool

  • @TimeSurfer206
    @TimeSurfer206 Před rokem

    And if anyone wants to whimper about the drill, ponder that it's a constant speed.

  • @strawman9410
    @strawman9410 Před rokem

    0.5 of an amp. So adding another 3 sets in series, would get 2amps WOW.
    Would love to see you build on this. 👍🇫🇴

    • @marcfruchtman9473
      @marcfruchtman9473 Před rokem +2

      er... I think it was 1/4 of an amp. But still, not bad. You would need 8 in Parallel (not series) to make 2 amps (at 6 volts). If you put them in series you simply add the voltages and keep the same current... so 8 in series would be ~48 volts and 0.25 amps.

    • @strawman9410
      @strawman9410 Před rokem

      @@marcfruchtman9473 8x8 I would be able to charge my ebike on the go

    • @marcfruchtman9473
      @marcfruchtman9473 Před rokem

      @@strawman9410 Not sure I understand the "On the go part"?

    • @strawman9410
      @strawman9410 Před rokem +1

      @@marcfruchtman9473 while riding my bike

    • @marcfruchtman9473
      @marcfruchtman9473 Před rokem

      @@strawman9410 Odd... I guess your e-bike doesn't already charge itself when you pedal it?

  • @StefanDanov
    @StefanDanov Před rokem

    Does it accelerate if shorted?

  • @justtinkering6713
    @justtinkering6713 Před rokem +1

    Very cool. Question: if the coils are copper wire, why do I see cogging? Do you have a piece of steel in there somewhere?

    • @Teknopottu
      @Teknopottu Před rokem +1

      Atleast the points he is clamping the wires seem to be other material than copper.

    • @justtinkering6713
      @justtinkering6713 Před rokem +1

      @@Teknopottu Maybe the terminals?

    • @Teknopottu
      @Teknopottu Před rokem

      @@justtinkering6713 Yeah, that's the word. Non-native english speaker here who is also tired.

    • @justtinkering6713
      @justtinkering6713 Před rokem +1

      @@Teknopottu thanks

    • @rayg436
      @rayg436 Před rokem

      moving a magnet or iron past copper creates a magnetic field in the copper that is where we get the electrical power from

  • @R2NOTU
    @R2NOTU Před rokem

    I saw one demonstration the gave a one to ten out put.

  • @MrXaeox
    @MrXaeox Před rokem

    I am curious if your getting .25 amp out of it, what is the voltage. Is it of a useable voltage that could charge a battery or does it require you to further increase/decrease the voltage.

  • @honda4004
    @honda4004 Před rokem

    i wonder if you sealed it ina vacuum (the whole apperatus ) and see if it relieves the friction ...just a thought as we appear to not play with the vacuum ,but tesla did in the car coil

    • @Pok3rface
      @Pok3rface Před rokem

      I think friction is the least of your problems, the actual resistance from magnets might be way more. But then again, I am not an engineer.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      vacuum is not much of an issue mate

  • @kb3ayo581
    @kb3ayo581 Před rokem

    I'm sure someone has mentioned this before but what about the amount of torque it takes to spin these different generators with different loads?

  • @joshuaandersen5294
    @joshuaandersen5294 Před rokem +1

    Got idea. Use your Newman motor to run the mighty mite.

  • @nickbaylander6320
    @nickbaylander6320 Před rokem

    What if you wrap spots of metal wire around the coil? To give it some yolk. Not sure till is the right term but im sure you know what i mean

  • @docink6175
    @docink6175 Před rokem

    continue with the scrap/trash theme and encase it in a plastic bottle for protection and make a scrap propeller..or connect to a salvaged bicycle.. maybe even a hamster wheel!

  • @simethoneth
    @simethoneth Před rokem

    Fascinating, whilst I was , "out-n-about" scavenging material's, my imagination suggests i combine various elements from multiple video's, with idea of building a fully portable/mobile, "wind-wall generator/charging station ", as Solar is so physically fragile ( I live and work in a mobile capacity /remote setting's.) My Q is, the "Newman" motor/generator seems so simple to build and probably maintain, I wonder if used with the "Ugrinsky" wind turbine, in a windwall format, charging 18650 L-Ion battery pack's if this a more viable/reliable/robust solution than the Thunderbolt/MightyMite generators? ( I will no doubt build all of these ultimately.) At this early stage I was curious as to your perspective.? Thank you for your time and effort in making your video's, you are inspiring and have definatly got me thinking. 🐘🐘🐘

  • @victoryfirst2878
    @victoryfirst2878 Před rokem +1

    Robert, this is ridiculous, you got one quarter of an amp from your throw together microwave unit and the commercial one was in the milliamps.
    WHAT is going on here fella ???? I do believe you need to go feather on the Newman unit Sir. Good luck too.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +1

      it probably the magnets in the commercial unit are ceramic - so the Bfield here was pretty strong

  • @awesomedee5421
    @awesomedee5421 Před rokem

    What was the voltage generated by the newman motor? Ultimately it's the power I would be interested in.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      6V

    • @awesomedee5421
      @awesomedee5421 Před rokem

      @@ThinkingandTinkering If the current changes, then the voltage changes Volts=Icurrent x Resistance. and as more current goes through and filament heats up, the R goes up too. I thought the 6V on the light bulb only indicated what the supply voltage should be. If you put 12V across the bulb, it would either just be brighter or burn out quicker.

  • @travismoore7849
    @travismoore7849 Před rokem

    I think a drill is just a handy tool for testing.

  • @woodworks2123
    @woodworks2123 Před rokem

    Are we talking the same Newman motor, Joseph Newman, big powerful motor, uses very little power? Using this as a generator works great, as soon as I saw the output I immediately thought about putting on the same shaft after this coil, another bunch of magnets and another coil. And as many as we can in a row untill it starts to bog down with given power, whatever that may be, (turbine etc) or drill in this case and can connect the in series or parallel to get whatever combination of volts and amps you require.

  • @massriver
    @massriver Před rokem

    👍Think DC motor producing 2v at that speed. Need better load match.

  • @daveblomfield8170
    @daveblomfield8170 Před rokem

    Preformed better on amp output only !!!! 🤔what about the volts or watts 😂😂 are you pulling a fast one rob 😎 love you videos though 👍

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +1

      lol - the load was the same - you could see the difference in performance just by looking - the lamp was very much brighter and being a filament lamp it was a resistive load

  • @seelenschlucht
    @seelenschlucht Před rokem +1

    Can you also explain how i could use the power to charge something? How do i get a stable voltage, Overvoltage protection and so on. I would charge a battery pack to then charge my cellphone and power a desk lamp.

    • @Teknopottu
      @Teknopottu Před rokem +1

      Try searching for "diy 5V regulator" and with just couple of components found everywhere you can do it yourself. Just add USB output and done.
      Most of the components if not all can be found from broken CFL bulbs, if I remember correctly. Just be aware not to break the glass of the bulbs, some mercury inside.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +2

      stick a voltage regulator in there - you can just buy them as single chip

    • @Teknopottu
      @Teknopottu Před rokem +2

      Easiest way would be to use 5€ cigarette lighter 12V/24V to USB charger, voltage regulator bulld in. The generator outputs AC so four diodes are needed for bridge rectifier, then there are plus and minus to use for whatever needed.

  • @Electrowave
    @Electrowave Před rokem +1

    All I need now is a couple of broken microwave ovens! 🙂

    • @fidelcatsro6948
      @fidelcatsro6948 Před rokem +1

      you can get similar outputs from a motorcycle starter motor.. the more power hungry the motor the better a generator it becomes

  • @dr.dolphi8915
    @dr.dolphi8915 Před rokem

    this is perfect for me, seeing as i have a spare trained elephant sitting idle.. 😂😂
    thx for always great content, keep at it plz😘😂😂

  • @deltonlomatai2309
    @deltonlomatai2309 Před rokem

    Getting off subject. what do you think of compressed earth block or rammed earth as a substitute for concrete block? Wow you got a quarter of an amp. Earth block or rammed earth has better thermal mass but can it be as strong?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem

      ervything is good in it's place mate - rammed earth is awesome for lots of jobs like home building and walls - not so good for bridges

    • @deltonlomatai2309
      @deltonlomatai2309 Před rokem

      @@ThinkingandTinkering Thanks for the fast reply. Do you know the best formulation? I have seen 10% cement and some percentage of lime. They say that the pyramids were built out geopolymer. My projects never get that far or that big.

  • @mlionea
    @mlionea Před rokem

    Can you design a railway wheel bar magnetic bearing generator?

  • @werewolf1195
    @werewolf1195 Před rokem

    I'm not sure if the comparison is correct. Because you used the drill which has a fixed rpm.
    You need to measure the V and the A to calculate the W

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  Před rokem +1

      lol - the load was the same - you could see the difference in performance just by looking - the lamp was very much brighter and being a filament lamp it was a resistive load

    • @werewolf1195
      @werewolf1195 Před rokem

      @@ThinkingandTinkering yes that's what I was referring to, I noticed the dimmer lamp to.
      I'm just saying it could be either way.
      If the one motor produced at a certain rpm e.g. 6V and 2A. Your motor would produce 12Watts, but if the lamp only draws 1A because of its resistance it's only 6Watts used.
      If the other motor produced at the same rpm 5V and possibly up to 10Amps that would be 50W but because of the lower voltage and the resistance of the bulb it would draw less than before. Lower than 1 amp resulting in a power consumption of less than 5W thus the dimmer lightbulb.
      As I remember to characterize the stats of a device one needs to measure the voltage without a load. And the current/amps with a low resistance/short
      For example one particulare generator could be better for generating high voltages the other one lower voltages with higher current, just as there are power tools which run on 12V batteries and other need 48V.
      Thank you for all your content

  • @lopsumtathro
    @lopsumtathro Před rokem

    wrong way round are the coils, look where most wire is on the sides but the ends is where the most generation occurs.

  • @McRootbeer
    @McRootbeer Před rokem

    So we know it produces at least 6 volts at 1/4 amp. So, at least 1.5 watts at roughly 300 rpm (whatever the drill is spinning at)?