The Mechanical Battery
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- Though more commonly known for its electro-chemical variant, a battery or accumulator is any device that stores energy. Batteries fundamentally allow us to decouple energy supply from demand. But a far lesser-known, mechanical based rechargeable battery based on flywheel energy storage or FESS is showing a resurgence of interest.
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Little known fact - Kevin Costner bomb "Waterworld" was meant to actually save the world. The plan was to channel Kostner's profits to his brother, Dan, who ran US Flywheels. This company was working on a flywheel that stored useful amount of power in a carbon fiber flywheel rotating on permanent magnet bearings in a vacuum. The spec was to develop such a flywheel that could reach speeds of around 100,000 RPM. When the movie bombed, the investment was, alas, lost. The company folded decades ago.
Ahh.. thats why he was such a bad actor. I see....
Not really Bear Naff.
Waterworld is a vision of the earth after the collapsing , when the surface of the earth will so decrease that water will cover most of it.
You can't fight the physical natural laws . . . The sun is burning all in our solar system, and this thermal energy is release in explosions by the planets. This is the cause of the birth of the moons.
The earth will explode one day. Dinosaurs are dead because of this periodical / cyclic event . And after, we will be in a kind of water world.
This is why they build Machu Picchu ... and this is why one ancient civilization is in Tibet. The High altitude will be the safe place to be when this event will come. lol
Waterworld did alright though. Its a myth that it failed financially. Overall it even made a bit plus.
@@aurigo_tech - It's not a myth, it's a cyclic reality.
Bear Naff The movie didn’t bomb it was one of the most popular movies in the world if not the
For its time
We have two of these at work. They are rotary UPSs. They are spun up with power from the grid. They are constantly spinning at 1800 rpm. Connected to generators, automatic transfer switches will switch to them whenever we loose the grid. It will provide 1.5 MW of power for 15 seconds. When grid power is lost not only do they provide power long enough for diesel generators to fire up but they clutch start their own diesel generators to keep them spinning. No batteries needed!
Hellgie1 wow.
But don't you need batteries because of the transfer shitch delay? For such a big system it's mandatory.
@@gustavobrtt They are the batteries. Transfer switch delay would be the same for a battery system.
I believe you are thinking of an "online UPS" which is constantly supplying power through an inverter via the batteries, which are constantly being charged by the grid. No delay with those.
Probably used in conjunction with the main Diesel / flywheel UPS in server rooms etc.
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Accelerating faster than Earth's spin in centrifugal forces does what; faster than the solar system...? Exactly
We know the benefits of being able to have centrifugal force; it can become a gyroscope, that provides stability
In multiple axis, with multiple gyroscopes at different dimensions....well then all you need it to provide resistance in any variable to make force in that direction; i.e. everything we see is a loss of the universe; heat, electricity, ect.
If you can spin hundreds of thousands of rotations per, whatever, then you could do millions with a short leap in advancement. So a super electrostatic motor, that is also gyroscopic...a battery, your propulsion, stability control, all in one. Thrown into your flying saucer; you'd fly into a thunderstorm and charge your saucer; spinning your gyroscopic mechanisms up to millions of rpms, all stabilizing each other; and enough power to fly around the Galaxy. Make sure hang solo has done the proper calculation in the computer; zip off into space.
Avoid the emp's of Betelgeuse 😘; he made mention of this 🙊🙉
So again; take this video down now
Did I mention zero friction lubricants or magnetic suspended bearings.
What about new rare metals and materials that cool with friction; I think I've said to much...
Again, take this video down now.
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This isnt a mechanical battery, as much as a mechanical capacitor.
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He's probably watched the "Top Gun" movie intro too many times.
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Glad to finally see some coverage of this idea. I like the idea of flywheels that clutch in while breaking and then release it back to the tire when accelerating.
Just like electric basically but even simpler I think. Yeah they'll come with brake pads but the spring can also be the brake if some geniuses that can design simply and reliably can get their hands on it.
Imagine if this gets implemented in the automotive world, and after a car accident and the enclosure is broken the flywheel is sent 8km down the road
it will not. the weight of the flywheel also gyroscopic loss makes the car inefficient.
They would need at least two flywheels spinning in opposite directions to cancel out the gyroscopic forces
@@mackchris5451 no... it would make it even heavier also I mean the losses when you turn the car the flywheel will lose energy from that rotation.
@@thehemmo5078 I think it's supposed to just be a joke
They already did it in a bus so why not
I was nearby a flywheel energy storage research and manufacturing building when one of them catastrophically failed causing a mechanical explosion that shot tons of twisted metal in all directions. Some of the metal fell through the ceiling where I was working. Luckily nobody was hurt. Any kind of mass energy storage will have issues like this however. Releasing tons of energy all at once is dangerous no matter what the technology is.
that would be perferct energy source for helicopter/airplanes ... lol
Releasing tons of energy all at once is called, an explosion
@@mr.personhumanson6871 This made me rofl. :D
Imagine sitting with something similar to that between your thighs while traveling around 200 MPH. Ever wonder why modern top fuel dragsters have the drivers cockpit located forward of the engine? They weren’t always like that you know. Do an image search using “front engine dragster cockpit” and you will get the idea.
@kcotte59 the news stories on it can be found on Google if you search: poway ca flywheel explosion
I worked on one of these years ago but I could never breed the hamsters big enough or build the flywheel small enough to be effective.
forgot to put them on roids
A pig could pass as a giant gerbil !
You should put "Nobel prize laureate Dr. Al Gore" to spin the wheel !!!
You could do the same thing egypt has done and use humans in your flywheel. They used human driven wheels to move a disk and cut stone blocks with it. Just like climing a ladder, but the ladder is infinite.
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This is very educational. It says everything it needs in terms of engineering, and still also makes sense to non-technical people.
What appeals to me most is that flywheels, due to their inertia, are able to bridge gaps in power with low sudden changes, so that systems have time to adapt if need be.
Thank you for this video.
I remember seeing a video right here on CZcams about a company making flywheel storage that powered up a flywheel during low power demand periods and then generating power when power demand was high. It claimed low cost, near zero maintenance, and the flywheel could spin virtually forever. It used a flywheel in an enclosure with a near vacuum inside.
Really nice introduction to a topic most of us are not familiar with. Seems one of the best technologies for grid storage.
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I didn't hear it mentioned, but we do actually have a ginormous flywheel energy storage system in form of the rotating mass in the electric network, both the generators and the motors. This is not usually apparent, but powerplants do rely on this during switchover etc. and locally dealing with high inertia motors and variable frequency drives they can keep the dc bus energized as long as they spin.
Storing energy as mechanical energy in the form of a flywheel is genius. I particularly like the applications for the system in space.
If we were to ever make it in space I believe this would play a huge role in storing mass amoumts electricity.
A solar forge. Sweet sweet imagination eh?
Hold on a low resistance hydrogen filled chamber? Excuse me? Maybe he's talking about helium?
@@avatar1867 -- Hydrogen is widely used for this purpose, even filling the enclosures of giant electric generators. Hydrogen is cheaper than Helium and has higher speed of sound (higher heat transfer) at a given temperature. There is zero explosion hazard as long as no Oxygen is mixed in. So keep the enclosures slightly pressurized!
10hrs spin post input..(?)
-Not possible, were Earth also spinning
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Interesting. I feel this would have great potential done in space itself. However there is tons of radiation in space. utilizing that itself could be very good no?
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Until your video I really hadn't thought that flywheel storage had a place in the future but now I see some good advantages for static systems, thank you.
It will most likely be especially useful in space power plants - weightlessness makes magnetic suspension easier and the system can be shielded from heat, meaning cryo is easier as well.
@@HadzabadZa good points although would there be problems with moving satalite around due gyroscopic forces?
@@veronicathecow I would assume you don't have to move an entire power plant satellite around, just its active components (I'm thinking this czcams.com/video/q-Lrj35HcbQ/video.html) like mirrors or the transmitter. However there might be a need to rotate it if the orbit isn't on the same plane as the ecliptic, because otherwise the radiators will get exposed. Yeah, the gyro forces are the trickiest part, but I think the benefits outweigh that little nuisance.
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An excellent video. Well researched AMD presented in simple terms.
I hope you follow it up with updates on the technology and daily uses as developments occur
Was expecting either the usual superficial youtube explication of a topic or a dull robot voice reading a dense wiki page when I clicked, but this is....actually very high quality. Rarely have I seen a treatment of flywheels mention their most remarkable present day use in tokamak ion cyclotron resonance heating. I will now subscribe.
When I did my work experience at IBM, they had flywheel UPS systems.
I suspect you could also use them as surge protectors.
And I reckon gasworks regulated supply pressure (gravity battery)
It was the early 90s.
I love this video. I don't know about anyone else but for the longest time I've had a sort of obsession with fly wheels. I always knew how useful they could be. I never thought to think how there could be such a science to this and how much effort has and will be put into flywheels. This video almost makes me feel complete lol so weird how a video could make me feel so justified in my feelings for the most random of things.
I can understand..
Same with me for Flow batteries, aluminum Air batteries and My fav of all Pumped Hydro batteries.
So far Flow batteries Has proven it's a worthy successor for li batteries.
Hands down the best informative video on flywheels for newbies! Thank you!
Wow. One of the most concise and informative videos on the Internet. Thanks!
Elektromagnetic bearings do have losses additional to their supply current: Hysteresis and eddy current losses in the iron.
*What's cool is -- this is the kind of channel that'd attract viewers who'd just know that*
A true magnetic bearing has to be reinforced with a form of current so the reenergizing does not deplete the magnet .
If you were able to cool it down enough, could you use superconductors to mitigate those losses?
Yes, as was shown in the vidy but it has limits related to the requirement for cooling. Advances in materials are possible that may need less cooling.
thud, the second you said “vidy” is the second you stopped sounding smart.
i did not even know something like this even existed before this video thank you for sharing this kind of information with us.
So simple principle , so amazing use. Thanks for adding the text !
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Great, video about my favourite energy storage system! We need more videos like that, it's such a shame that people are talking only about chemical baterries... :/
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Somewhere around 20 years ago, maybe 30, I saw a car that had a dozen small flywheels, all gimballed. Each unit was about 2 litres volume. They fit into the standard engine space, along with the electric traction motor. This solution seems possible, small units that are easy and cheap to make and install. It gets past the gyro problems of planetary rotation and turning, climbing hills etc.
wow that's weird and cool
The energy capacity must have been egregious.
Very good video! Clear explanations and great build up of the concepts!
Thanks for a succinct and easy to grasp primer on the topic.
We live on a huge Flywheel called the earth.
Makes you wonder why we must ground towers to the earth, or else?
we should put a big generator on earth and get some of that energy
Howard Adams no it doesn’t, if you know even basic electronics you know why week ground things to the earth, It’s the same reason lightning strikes the ground
@@electrichanoi7244 as long as you understand
And we can use that energy too
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These busses would behave quite weirdly when running into speed bumps or transitioning into steep slopes...
Some mobile systems have two counter rotating flywheels. Their gyroscopic effects exactly cancel out in normal operation.
Obviously, there are some interesting failure modes, if the control system fails to run them in sync, or if the system gets bent out of alignment.
Many of those cylindrical containment vessels were housing pairs of flywheels.
Or even when taking a turn! This was actually a problem with these busses. That's why experiments with these busses were stopped in my country.
@@hamjudo Well the internal stress would also be quite insane, I don't know how they manage this on the F1, do they just point the axis straight up to minimize change in axis of rotation?
Jochem Bonarius Well, when the Bus is turning left or right, the axis of rotation of the bus and the flywheels axis coincide. So there would be no effect on the bus. Another effect however, and a quite useful one at that, was, that the bus wouldn‘t tip into a ditch if one wheel went over the ledge.
Gyroscopic precession baby
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A reasonable sized pumped hydro project can store gigawatt hours of energy. Gravity is reliable and water does not wear out.
Yep, and let nature do the work through seasons.
Yeah, we understand this. Every stream and river could be made to hydroelectric.
Most hydro stations in the country are operating at a fraction of their capacity, and most all are nearly a century old.
....you don't think the powers at be realized how easily they could power the country from hydro a century ago. The results were so alarming, it was killed. All the concrete went towards our national road system; also almost a century old now....
@@robh467 dam.
The location is the only problem. You cannot move hydro projects nor place them near hospitals and other places that require backup power. If the transmission from the hydro project to the rest of the grid goes, you're fucked.
@@HSFY2012 you could build above sea level, and use sea water
I have been thinking a top container bottom container set up if no access to dams. One container at the top of the hill, one at the bottom, 50mm pipe and hopefully off the shelf turbine. Solar pumped back up the hill till you need the energy again
Thank you for this very educational video. For my home, I plan on geothermal energy coupled to a flywheel for all my electrical needs. This is my vision for the future.
Could/Should be for the world imho
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All of your videos are excellent in quality.
Electromagnetic flywheels....
That's some straight up steam punk stuff right there....
I applied for an NSF grant in grad school to study these about a decade ago. The reviewers rejected it because it was a "naive idea"...
Sounds about right.
Because it is.
kamil wojcik not really
@@kamilthegreat2834 will eventually replace the power grid.
Super well made, thanks for the very informative video.
Thanks! Your channel has such great content.
I wouldn’t think that using a flywheel energy storage system would be very safe in a moving vehicle, one accident could be catastrophic. But using it in conjunction with solar panels for a house could be quite useful for night time power use.
Exactly my thought as well. Worth researching for feasibility.
It's not possible to use it for anything that's not "sitting in place", or moving in a straight line, because the higher the energy in a flywheel, the more energy it takes to accelerate/decelerate it in any direction. It can be used for your house for storing limited amounts of solar energy for sure, but not anything like a "mechanical battery" for cars.
But you could let the flywheel maintain its axis of rotation by allowing others axis points connected to the flywheel’s axis in three dimensional space, like a gyroscope toy, to rotate in the frame of the car’s rotation. Second: I am not sure if gyroscope force are affected by centrifugal force, which would mean a cars change in direction has no effect on the gyroscopic forces.
Moving vehicles have tanks full of highly flammable liquid, massive lithium ion batteries and high speed reciprocating pistons. All dangerous if not managed properly. Flywheels are perfectly safe in moving vehicles if mounted appropriately in containment housings.
@@glennobiero6775 if you would drive left/right, that axis won't affect the flywheel at all, but what about a speedbump? Due to gyroscopic forces it will exert a force on the car! If you have two counterrotating flywheels, they would cancel out each others gyroscopic precession!
Reminds me of the toy cars of old days where you spun the tires real fast by dragging them across ground then let the take off.
Yes! Hadn't thought of those. I had a few myself. Same principle.
Or the rip cord Evel Knieval motorcycle toy that would fly across the yard from a single pull!
We had an idea we put a bike on its center stand pedaled as fash as we could and charged the little cars.
We would imagine them wizzing accross the street...
We didn know about torque... They just flipped.
But then some kid had the "brilliant" idea of puting that charged car in my hair... :)))
Those were usually spring powered.
The ones you wound up by pulling back were spring powered. There was another type with wheels geared to a flywheel that you spun up by pushing in one direction for a bit then letting it go.
One of the best videos i seen all day. Thanks
Thanks! Finally I know how modern cars use energy from braking. I always wondered about that!
14:53 i was gonna mention that some F1 racers used a sort of mechanical battery type flywheel to recover some energy lost during breaking and using that energy to improve acceleration by means of a specially designed cvt transmission
And Mr Spock would say "fascinating"! Please provide a link for you info
@@JohnSmith-eo5sp here you go
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The crankshaft converted linear motion to rotary. The flywheel reduced the effects of torque impulses.
Your half right............The crank shaft does indeed convert the motion, but the flywheel takes the engines torque pulses and delivers them to the drive train in a smooth and controlled fashion. If the engine was directly bolted to the transmission, driveshaft or torque tube the vibrations would damage and destroy even the most robust drive train components over time. I guess you could think of an engines flywheel like an electrical capacitor. Now a days, dual-mass flywheels take this a step further in manual transmissions as weight/efficiency is now a major factor and durability is reduced in favor or fuel economy. Torque convertors have all but eliminated the torque pulse problem in automatic transmissions due to their fluid coupling drive.
The engines harmonic balancer does the same for the auxiliary components, and eliminates the harmonic hum/oscillation of the belt and it's components when running.
@@camerond8176 The converter IS the flywheel, it's mass negates the need for a separate flywheel. Modern converters also lock-up once the vehicle gets up to speed eliminating any effect of the fluid coupling.
The harmonic balancer is to reduce oscillations in the twisting of the crankshaft.
Wrong the "Flywheel" does not smooth torque impulses, that's the joke of the harmonic balancer at the front of the crank. and only manual transmission cars (a dying bread in the US :( ) has a true flywheel, all automatics use a flex plate of some sort. The torque converter acts as the rotational mass in automatic cars, the flex plate it there to hold the starter ring (some dodge have the starter ring on the torque converter) and allow flex between the crankshaft and input shaft that's inside the torque convertor
@@TdrSld the harmonic balancer dampens vibration in the crankshaft
Chris Russell torsional vibration damper/harmonic damper with rubber insert is a device to control crank vibration and resonance. “90 deg” thing you talk is secondary order vibration. It’s occur twice per crank revolution due to the cosine effect of the rod and crankshaft. Inline-4 engine with a flatplane crank eliminate this vibration via balance shaft
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As a kid I read a (russian) book "In search of energy capsule" by Nurbej Vladimirovich Gulia. He used first principle approach to energy storage. Most of this book was about flywheels. It had a great impression on me. There is 2013 reprint with ISBN: 5-93196-591-2
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There is also a film - Moment of inertia.
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But only thing you can rely on - auto-translated auto-created subtitles.
Another type of mechanical energy storage that is interesting are big towers that have heavy hanging weights that are lifted by surplus energy and are lowered to produce energy. A lot like old cuckoo clocks. They don't require expensive control systems or cryogenic cooling or magnetic bearings.
I just did some calculation on this: A 2-meter cube of steel (assuming 7.5g/cm3 density) lifted to a height of 60 meters would provide 9800 watt-hours (9.8kWh) of energy at 100% efficiency.
(7.5g/cm^3 * 8,000,000cm^3 * 1kg/1000g) * 9.8m/s * 60m = 35280000kgm^2/s^2 [...then] * 1h/3600s = 9600kgm^2/s^3
Assuming you needed 2kW over an 8-hour night (16kWh), and you made your weight out of lead (11.34g/cm3), you would need a 2-meter-cubed weight of lead lifted to a height of ~51 meters - plus error margin, since that's assuming 100% efficiency.
(Same equation as above, just work in reverse, flip everything over, and cancel out units to solve for meters... the '5m' in the equation above):
16000kgm^2/s^3 * 3600s * 8h * s^2/9.8m * 1/(11.34g/cm^3 * 8,000,000cm^3 * 1kg/1000g) = 51.83m
The weight-tower would have to be fairly beefy, and the weight would have to be channeled to eliminate dynamic load (tectonic sway).
The connecting cables would have to be fairly beefy as well, and rated for wear.
You could weld the weight container together on-site, then place lead blocks inside by hand. That wouldn't be too tough.
The last tricky part would be designing the dynamo, and rating its consumable elements for wear.
That's a lot of money just to store 16kWh.
You could combine the cost of construction and the estimated cost of consumables versus batteries.
I'm no fan of the Tesla Yuppie-Hipster-Techno-Grey-Goo-Dystopia, but just comparing raw numbers, a Tesla Powerwall can hold ~13.5kWh (7kW peak output, 5kW continuous, more than enough for a residential house's overnight consumption), lasts for ~12 years (Version 2, at least), and costs ~13K.
I think batteries are just too damn efficient for much else to compete... I just want other companies to get their butts in gear so that Ol'Musky has some competition and prices come down.
@@-_----- Thanks for the calculation, much appreciated. I wonder what the price would look like at scale? Water towers hold a lot of weight (even more than your lead example), so I wonder what sort of potential energy they can hold.
@@Genubath1 Actually, I was surprised by the amount of mass that water towers hold aloft when I actually crunched the numbers... A water tower with a 400,000 gallon capacity held 50 meters aloft = 1,514.16 cubic meters = 1,514,160kg @50 meters (approximating, since not all of the fluid is at that level...) ≈< 206kWh.
I still think that the engineering requirements will force us to look for battery-based solutions... but it is interesting to crunch the numbers.
@@-_----- Could you please calculate how efficient this engine can be?.
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@@elementssolutions5473 Ahh shit, that's way more complex. I'll take a look when I have some downtime.
Thank you so much. Loved your presentation. Well researched.
Excellent article - really informative. Many thanks.
Very nice. Besides mechanical batteries, a good topic is the exploitation of the natural batteries in our ecosystem, such as lakes or rivers. Brazil uses these widely.
Not only Brazil in Norway they literally generate almost all their power on that way...
@divorcedme I would suggest you look at the actual power output of one of those and compare it to the cost of keeping it running. Then look at virtually anything else that's a viable power source...Also, fish tend to migrate in rivers. Water wheels and turbines make this rather difficult for them.
You gotta keep track of the difference between storage and generation. Some water based accumulators exist, but the energy density of those is pretty low.
Hydro-electric generation is a very effective power source, but can of course only be used in countries with big powerful rivers. China has a lot of those. The netherlands... not so much. We have one or two small hydro powerplants that are more symbolic than effective...
@@mfbfreak - China also has 40,000 small hydro installations, there is no need for big powerful rivers.
I was hoping you would mention the accumulator battery hybrids too
Excellent presentation, thank you!
Excellent informative documentary. There was a historical flywheel technology not mentioned because it was not for mechanical storage but nonetheless advanced the technical ability to build high energy flywheels. These were for the stabilization of ships at sea to dampen the rolling motion for the comfort of the passengers. They were also used in strategic ballistic missile submarines to stabilize the firing platform.
Some of our wrist watches have windings that uses mechanical energy to power devices.
Some? A LOT of our watches have them. Every watch without a battery. Every clock.
@@jamesbizs think he meant instead of winding it up at certain time with the winder to load the spring but winding it up automatically by your arm movement as you went about your business.
@W Winterheart Tissot, Omega, and Seiko had watches in which rotation was used to load a battery. I have a Tissot PR 100 Autoquartz.
@@DietmarEugen funny thing is the movements are all by ETA and cost about £30. One haas to wonder where the other £469.99 comes from, the cases are mostly just stainless and plate…
Although to be fair the Seiko are pretty darn good and made in house if memory serves.
4:45 If it works it'll be Flywheel Emergency Electrical System. 'FEES', like every other utility.
This is a great video please continue making videos like this
Very good presentation. Thank you.
At 06: 51 : The fast spinning vane wheel quits and has just left the 707 jet engine!
thanks!
06:51 your welcome
12:48 So you actually used 1m as the radius of the flywheel in stead of 0.5m to calculate the Mach number (at see lvl) of the outer surface. So the Mach number should be around 5.5. That's still fast though.
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@@Mnerd7368 I do not make any youtube video's.
I see mistakes happen at sea as well.
@@xenonram except the channel Creator clearly saw OPs message lol
Pumped hydro storage, especially closed loop examples, are worth consideration for a future episode. Lots of working examples, scalable to multi-gigawatt
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That's pretty awesome that an ancient tech is powering the study of fusion power :D
Pretty poetic, isn't it? The fundamentals and basics of physics and engineering really are as essential as every teacher/professor would have you believe. 😁
How do you start the fusion reactor? See that big water wheel over there - open the sluice gates.
So actually, the flywheel batteries are more like the big capacitors in a circuit ? Good for peak/burst demands, but not as good for continuous slow delivery ?
Little different, capacitors have a quick charge/discharge rate. These are more comparable to chemical batteries, calling them mechanical batteries is probably the most accurate description. It would be cool to see the RC curve of a flywheel versus that of a capacitor
Flywheels are actually the mechanical analog of an inductive load as opposed to a capacitor which is more similar to a spring.
One of the best videos i have seen in a while
This is sooo through! Thank you!
This is best video in a while, faith in humanity restored
If they break into pieces it acts like a blast. Russian scientist suggest using wheel made from long tape rather than single piece wheel - that is much safer.
With added bonus of magnetic data storage!
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That's what's in the video also. They even put them underground 👍
@@simonito1715 I missed the point about steel stripe/tape...
@@user-qv6ud2hx6f I guess the idea was that instead of exploding into pieces, it might just (as it loses integrity) sort of unwind, thus dissipating the energy gradually. That's the way I got it, anyway.
Thanks for that explanation.
VW announced that they build charging stations with that principle to be able to get higher charging speeds out of low charging speed environments. They didnt really explained how that works so thank you for doing that 🙂👌🏻
Excellent video my dude
2019: our of despair we start putting in pullback motors in our cars
That's basically the definition of a Hybrid.
Of maybe a rubber band powered unit😉
I cant believe I've never known of these, this is so cool!! How'd you find out about this?
@Robert Pearce what? Like you know everything
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Very informative video. Thank you.
I'm intrigued by the concept but I'll stick to my Aluminum batteries thank you very much.
I'm not dismissive of the Fly Wheel, it has a place in energy storage but I don't think mechanical batteries is the philosophers stone one size fits all solution. I envision a divers options of energy production and storage from Coal to the Atom, from Lithium to the Fly Wheel all working together.
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That was so good! Thank you!
I smiled all the way through this video!!! thank you.
2:02 into the video. I win!! I called it! Before the video started, I thought... storing energy in a small-scale, mechanical, useful way... Gravity (push a load up), tension (push a spring in), or - my first thought - what we already use in piston engines... conservation of angular momentum, i.e. a flywheel.
Yep! I've recently found it interesting that gravity storage methods are finding use in "third-world" and poor or remote places, especially for lighting! With today's efficient, cheap, and lightweight (easy to transport to remote areas) LEDs, there are lights that you hang from a roof or ceiling, and then you fill the bag under them with or otherwise attach something heavy, and as is slowly pulls down the energy is converted to light! Then if you turn the light off it stops descending, which blows my mind since it's such a cool way to visualize the transformation of energy!
Sounds like ocean tidal action would be a good way to power these up.
Just not the turbine type, please. There are other ways that don't chop up marine life. We make life for them hard enough as it is.
Great work. Thank you.
New mind
Thank you very much.
This was well present and explain energy storage across many systems.
you have to read about the chemical-mechanical battery. you will really love it
What is the Energy Return on Investment of mechanical batteries? This is a crucial fundamental factor in regards to sustainability
It would be negative, but the less negative the better.
N Marbletoe - I don’t think you understand EROI
@@wombatcitystudios I think I had it wrong, it wouldn't be negative, but it would be less than one.
If you put 100 joules in to get the flywheel spinning, and an hour later you get 990 out, and the efficiency would be 99% over that hour. EROI would be 0.99.
Is that right?
@@nmarbletoe8210 dude you didn't get what he meant.
And you can never put more energy out of a system than you do in that systems.
He asked if I have 100 watts to power that system as storage, how much energy can I use a day later (its not possible to be over 100 watt in that case)
@@supercunthunt7756 100 in, 99 out is possible though.
ooh crawp I put 990 lol.
Super cool video! Thank you!
excellent research sir.thanks
Electric transmission system can be made more efficient run along/near roadways to power capacitors-mostly and a fairly small battery. . 70% of energy to go up the hill can be returned to the system as it goes down the hill.
Modern Flywheel systems are much more than 70% efficient
@@exetercollegeuktechnologyc1323 I was not commenting on the flywheel. I was commenting upon regeneration of electricity used to go up hills as vehicles go down hills and the concept of a 'direct' connection to a re-built electric transmission infrastructure. Off topic? Not really as the flywheel has limits.
SunriseLAW Do you mean putting regenerative braking on all cars?
@@brandonbenjamin9452 Yes, to fill up the capacitors and much-smaller batteries or to put it back into the 'system'. Tesla (e.g.) looks great, they make 300,000 cars while 17 million new and 25 million used cars are sold in USA every year. Obtaining lithium...which is plentiful...and processing it into batteries is not optimal when talking about tens of millions. A semi-hard wired solution makes the vehicles much lighter. Figuratively and metaphorically: The entire system could be built out by melting down what we have and reforming it.
Wow! 10 hours of spin for the flywheel at idle! Imagine how much better it would have been if they vacuum-sealed the flywheel's chamber instead of filling with H2!
Some (if not most) of the energy you'd gain by using a vacuum would have to be used to create and maintain that same vacuum. There was probably a cost-benefit analysis that said h2 is the best compromise between vacuum and normal air.
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There were a few launching roller coasters that used a flywheel energy storage system. The coaster was launched using a cable and winch. The winch would clutch to a spinning flywheel and start the launch.