Clean Audio Workflow With The ATEM Mini Pro
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- One of the bigger challenges I've had working with the ATEM Mini Pro was a clean audio workflow. When first plugging in, I found the audio to be clipping really easily with a really small window of acceptable audio and either all-too-quiet or all-too-loud audio. After playing with settings for a while, I think I've found the settings I like.
This video outlines a fairly versatile workflow that scales easily from one mic to six. Just as important as scalability is audio quality. I feel like this is the best audio I can get out of the device without upgrading our hardware considerably. All of the audio you're hearing is exactly as it was recorded on the ATEM with no compression, limiting or normalizing done in post. What you hear is what we taped (WYHIWWT).
There's a lot of gear used in this video.
A Camera - Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K with Sigma 18-35 Art Lens.
B-Camera - GoPro Hero 3
Switcher - ATEM Mini Pro
Audio Mixer - Zoom H6
Monitor - Atomos Ninja
If you have any questions about ATEM Mini Pro workflow, please drop them in the comments. Cheers!
Is your MIC 1 input set to "Line" in ATEM Software Control -> Settings -> Audio -> General? If set to "Microphone", that would definitely cause over-sensitivity...
I'll check that. I've pinned your comment for the time being. Cheers!
Yes, you have definitely set the input to Mic, that’s why you feel the ATEM so sensitive.
Just set it to line as Lina as Rob mentioned.
Also play with the audio delay from the different sources.
Great video 👍
@@tfechtenburg Thanks for the feedback! Next round will be a better one. Always learning. :-)
@@JJKoester I have created this “crazy” mobile setup. Build in computer running ATEM Software Control, Companion and Stream Deck software. Router, 16 ports power panel etc. Just plug in power and network, and a USB cable to a computer with Skype, Zoom, Teams etc.
The post is in danish. I will soon make a video in english, showing it way better 😀
www.linkedin.com/posts/thomasfechtenburg_webinar-atem-mobilt-activity-6735504790152896513-xH-f
@@tfechtenburg That looks brilliant! I've subscribed to your channel so when that video goes up, I'll know. I can't wait to see the breakdown.
Don't forget that you can delay the mic/line inputs so you don't get the echo effect when you turn on the camera mic. It's located just below the gain adjustment in the ATEM software audio control, and set in delay by the number of frames of video. HDMI video is inherently delayed, while the mics and line levels are in real time. Turn on mic 1 and the camera mic at the same time. Click on the delay adjustment on the mic input, just under the gain knob. Then snap your fingers and adjust the delay until you no longer hear an echo or reverb effect.
Thanks for explaining and showing how the compression works. Very helpful!
Yo! The Atem community is mad friendly. Thank you so much for pointing that out. I'll probably do a follow-up on this one. Cheers!
I am 30 seconds into this video an i am laughing my ass off, i might not learn anything from this tutorial. You are a funny dude man. Goes back to watching so i can learn.
Glad you're digging it! Thanks for the comment!
I'm sure you have no haters! I have a setup which includes a mixer and the atem. I have really been struggling to understand setting up a feed for livestreaming vs also having great sound in the room. The are so many options, but I understanding that using the ATEM audio setting will help me with the livestream. Thank you
This was extremely helpful! I have been pulling my hair out as to why my audio is coming out so HOT and thought I just must have something wrong, but hearing your experience with clipping also is a relief. On Blackmagic own tutorial they explain to set the imported audio at the highest before distortion which usually makes sense, but I think with these ATEMs you need to be extra carful, but love the aggressive compressing as a solution! Great idea.
Thank you for making things so easy to understand.
I'm glad if it was useful! Thanks for the comment.
Another very nice and informative video! Thank you so much and I hope to see some other videos from you soon! :)
Thank you so much for the feedback! I want to do more but we've been really busy with some new clients and our first baby on the way. As soon as I have a moment, I'll do some more videos. Any questions are warmly welcomed!
Great video, exactly the info I needed for a live streaming gig I have next week. You need more subscribers!
My man, you are so very right about the subscriber thing. I think I need to put out more videos for CZcams to push my channel at all. Thanks for the kind words!
@@JJKoester Do you know what cable he uses to go from line out to atem mini?
Totallyy..
I really appreciate your having made this video! I have a live event that I’m attempting to do a multi cam shoot for tonight and I’m using a Sennheiser 416 through the Roadcaster Pro... totally got it dialed in with the few little points I may have been missing with my new ATEM Mini Pro!
So glad it was useful! We're looking forward to making more of these videos. Cheers!
You are a mind reader! Just had this convo to see the workflow for this 👍🏽
So glad it was useful! If you have any questions, please ask and I'll try to answer them. Cheers!
@@JJKoester Will do!
Thx for explaining the compressor!
I'm thinking to do a deep dive video into compression soon so if you'd like to know more, subscribing can only help. Thanks for the comment!
Awesome two-torial. We've been working with the ATEM Mini for a few months. The audio has always been a big issue. Originally we used an H-6 but have recently switched over to an L-8. The last project I tried to record clipped like crazy and I couldn't figure out where in the chain to address the problem. I think I have a better handle on it now. Now if there was just a simple way to monitor the audio signal directly from the ATEM....Thanks!
For sure, a headphone jack on the ATEM would have been a huge help in all of this. I guess when they were making it, they focused on the switcher functionality to the detriment of the audio functionality. There's a lot more audio waiting in the software than the hardware but it still feels quite limited.
Great explanations Jesse1
So you have a video on the EQ settings for a mic with the Atem?
Thanks for the comment!
@@ScottyFranchyze That would absolutely be one worth making. I'll do that one next.
@@JJKoester o great man. I’m a month in with the mini pro iso.
Learned a lot because of your video. Thank you.
@@ScottyFranchyze The ISO is amazing. It's completely changed how we handle production, both in the studio and in the field. Here's hoping we can build more interesting content to help you grow your art and business!
Loved it
Nice 'The King and I' reference there at 2:40
Tucked that one in there just for you. Thanks for catching it. :-)
Nice & Thanks :)
Thank you so much for the comment! We really appreciate the engagement and we're thrilled the video was useful for you!
Drop the Atem's input gains by 18dB, and it is much closer to unity gain. 0dB seems to have enormous gain on the ATEM including the noise floor.
Brilliant stuff, very well explained 👏
Glad you dug it! Thanks for the comment.
Yes I also face some problem to set my sound but sennheiser AVX 2 made my work easier. Form now, I don’t have any issue with sound. I can control it using ATEM software.
For real, plugging the ATEM into a computer unlocks so many features. It's almost amazing how much more you get once you start using it with the desktop software. Thanks for the comment!
I am here BECAUSE of the clipping issues I've had with the ATEM. It's frustrating to see good levels and then when in post everything is clipped.
I'm just setting up an ATEM mini multi-cam shop for one person. I could get an Blackmagic Studio 4k Pro and have XLR in and that adds $500. Or I could get this Zoom for like $380. I still need to get a XLR mic with either of those. Or I could get a Rode NT1-USB for $170 and push the 3.5mm output jack directly to the ATEM.
If there's only one person in the studio (sewing machine training), is there any reason to prefer either of the other options that cost an extra $500/700?
I know a lot about cameras but don't know hardly anything about audio (yet).
Excellent question! We made a video addressing it because it was easier to say it than to sit here and type it. I hope this is useful!
czcams.com/video/DVMxpxUTYVg/video.html
Jesse! Thank you so much for this video!!!! I am using a mixer in place of the Zoom H6 in your setup. I am in Louisiana (Baton Rouge area) and I cannot find ONE av company that is willing to come to my studio and setup my equipment! There is one Black Magic sales/support company located in Louisiana, but they are a few hours drive away. I have no idea where you are located, but I wish I could hire to you come setup my studio! Maybe by posting this here, someone located in Louisiana would be willing to take on the job! I understand most of what you are saying, but honestly, I get lost way back around 3 minutes and then I kind of go into a trance on information overload. So frustrated that I cannot seem to figure it all out.
Tammy,
Thank you so much for the kind words! Have car/will travel.
More convenient though is if you post specific questions about the video, I can try to do a video that addresses your specific concerns.
It's a tightrope walk with these videos. We want them to be lean but sometimes we go too far.
Cheers!
Also, we have a playlist of audio-related tutorials. We may have answered your concerns in another video: czcams.com/play/PLZG-fboF1qTRc5s6mthhOZ5wGTL-4HIJ4.html
@@JJKoester I will check out your other videos. I can't really explain my problem, because I don't know what I'm doing wrong (or right for that matter) 🤣 I will keep plugging away and try to figure it out. Hopefully, some of your other videos will help. My setup is very similar to yours with the exception that I have a Behringer mixer in place of your Zoom. I can get all the video working with the ATEM but not the audio. Again, here is where I know enough just to be dangerous, then fall off the cliff completely lost.
@@tammymeunier Best of luck! Just remember to take your headphones off when making any big changes. 🙂
@@JJKoester I give up! Do you know anyone in Louisiana that would be willing to help with my setup? I just cannot get it all working properly and I just need to hire someone to do it for me!
I liked that video. And I subbed. Nice 👌
Thanks for the kind words!
Really helpful, thanks
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for taking the time to comment!
Thanks so much for this. Trying to apply another tutorial about compression and limiting to an Atem doesn't translate as well when you can see/hear what each thing does. And an explanation as to how some parts relate to the other!
My pleasure! Compression and limiting were things that I didn't understand for most of my career. I knew to apply them with some factory-baked presets but I didn't understand what I was doing. It's actually a surprisingly powerful tool for how simple it is and once you know what's it's doing, you can control it in really specific ways. Best of luck!
im running from a rodecaster through the mic one input - and i get a hiss and clip that i can clean up in post, but cant figure how to get it right for a live show..
Thanks for commenting! The RODEcaster is a pretty neat piece of gear and I'm sure you can get it working. My best guess would be to use one of the 5 headphone outs with my first choice being the one in the front. I'm guessing that one is a stereo mix of all channels affected by the volume slider. I'd start with it low and bring it up until I can hear it through the ATEM. If you're at maximum volume and this is still happening, I'd go into the ATEM control software and start fiddling with input volumes from there. I'm sorry I don't know more but those are the steps I would try first. If none of that works, you might try sending the L channel to Mic 1 on the ATEM and the R channel to Mic 2.
Best of luck!
Awesome Video, thank you so much. I would suggest using an additional Low-Cut-Filter on the ATEM-EQ, because your Mic is quite sensitive to low pop-noise, which made my sub dance around the room while watching the video ^^
Brother, your timing couldn't be better. I'm halfway through the script for "CleanER audio workflow with the ATEM Mini Pro". Improvements across the board over the last year and I can't wait to share them.
I hope that dancing woofer didn't break any fine china or faberge eggs. ;-)
THE PUNS MADE ME SUBSCRIIIIIIBE lmaoooooo
Welcome to the party!!! It's puns all the way down, my friend!
Also...lets say I use a dslr to the atem mini pro...does the recording limit matter? or since the atem mini pro is recording can it record for longer than 30 min?
The recording on the ATEM can go on as long as you have hard drive space. Depending on the camera you're using, you might have to nudge it every 25 minutes or so with a quick autofocus or something like that to keep it from going to sleep. Canon DSLRs kip out after 29 minutes and 59 seconds so as not to be considered camcorders in Europe.
How do I make the audio play from both L and R? I have the audio only playing on L even after splitting the audio
Great video! What's the cable that your using to connect ZoomH6 to atem? Stereo x Stereo?
3.5mm stereo to 3.5mm stereo. Just you basic headphone to headphone plug. There are less lossy solutions but they require an all-digital workflow and the complication curve is basically a vertical line up.
Excellent video! Exactly what I have been searching for! I have the Atem Mini & Zoom H6. How can I monitor w headphones the outputted audio from Atem? I researched that it can be an external monitor w headphone jack or HDMI splitter? I subscribed as well! Love the sweater.
Oh, homey! We've got sweaters. That is for sure.
For video and audio monitoring, I have the ATEM plugged into an Atomos Assassin. It's a bit overkill because we never use the record function of the Atomos. It was just the monitor we had sitting around after we retired the A7S.
Another quick question-- if I'm only recording one audio channel, is there a cheaper alternative to the H6?
I have a blue yeti and i guess it's not going to work with ATEM mini.
Any recommendations for a shotgun mic that I can attach to a boom arm over my desk?
We have an NTG-2 and an NTG-3 in our studio and like them both a fair bit. You could get something as economic as the Zoom H4. There may be cheaper units out there. As long as you have XLR in and phantom power, you should be ready for most any microphone out there. Cheers!
Can you use the line out from the Zoom straight into the Atem mini pro’s mic input? I hope that question makes sense. I’m new to this
It makes sense and you can do that. Just be sure to set your input level to line instead of mic on the ATEM and you can do that through the ATEM Software controller. In this tutorial, I mention that the ceiling between clean signal and clipping is rather low. This is because I didn't know how to change it to Line Level input at the time.
@@JJKoester Thank you so much! I really appreciate you!
@@rafiismail5652 I honestly need to do an updated version of this video as my workflow is better now than when this was published. Coming Soon!
What kind of cable do you use to connect the H6 to the ATEM?
3.5mm stereo headphone cable. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks a lot. Having to figure out how audio works with ATEM couldn't have been easier.
So if I understand correctly, the H6 is acting as the audio processing engine but the final saved video has both video and audio.
And I don't have to save the audio separately to join in post process-- correct?
That's one of the best things about this workflow - You don't have to join audio and video in post as it's being fed into the ATEM and recorded with your picture edit. But. You. Can. When we're doing live-switched music, we will run the Zoom at the same time we run the ATEM because we want those delicious discrete tracks that we can mix and master with much finesse. But, that's totally opt-in.
@@JJKoester Ah, yeah, makes sense. Thanks!
Great video! QQ- How do you connect more than one headphone into the Zoom H6?
We use a headphone splitter. You can get them at your local headphone splitter store or at the following link: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=heaphone%20splitter&sts=ma
@@JJKoester thank you so much!
HELP. On our churches live feed we get a slight noise/hum and we can’t figure out how to remove it.
I have an atem mini pro and an extreme iso and get the same results. We always have a slight audio coming through even when everything is muted. Thanks
Sorry I missed this! Have you been able to work it out?
@@JJKoester yes. Thank you. We had the GAIN really high but hadnt realised it. All sorted now. PHEW..
@@stoochy1 So glad to hear it! Sorry for the late reply. CZcams forgot to tell me that I was getting comments.
Thanks for this quick tutorial. I have am taking a feed from a sound desk - a balanced mono signal which seems nice and clean - but the level seems to be very low. If I understood you correctly I should strive to get my levels up into the “red” as you said normally people are comfortable listening to between -6 and 0db?
Between -6 and 0 is really comfortable for audio levels. That's where you'd want to be. Have you been plugging your ATEM into a computer to get access to the higher functions and audio control?
Also, thanks for the subscribe! More videos coming soon!
What cord is used to connect from line out on Zoom h6 to Mini pro?
It's a pretty simple cable - 3.5mm headphone to 3.5mm headphone. You can get them at most big box electronics stores or online. They don't cost more than a buck or two.
@@JJKoester Thank you very much. Also...lets say I use a dslr to the atem mini pro...does the recording limit matter? or since the atem mini pro is recording can it record for longer than 30 min?
@@jonathanlongo9670 I'm assuming you're using a Canon or something similar. The record limit on a DSLR won't affect the recording of your ATEM Mini. There is no cap on how long a file can be (unless you count hard-drive space, in which case, that would be the cap). HOWEVER, Canon cameras will automatically turn off after 30 minutes, even if you aren't recording. If you push a button on them or do autofocus, they should stay awake but it's not a total set-it-and-forget-it solution. You have to bounce around from camera to camera occasionally and make sure they aren't going to sleep. Cheers!
@@JJKoester On my 5D IV and 80D I can set it to never turn off. Only limit is the camera battery. With original canon battery I easly record 2 hours plus.
@@jacvanderspuy5618 I've played with the 5Div a bit but am currently shooting on a 5Diii. Can you set the iii to be on for unlimited time? I haven't found a way (but I also haven't tried too hard).
Recently started having a problem with my streaming and recording. I'm using an atem mini pro and obs but when I stream or record, ios users can hear the sound perfectly but everyone else hears a high-pitched sound until they put in earphones. The same goes for recorded content. Anyone know what causes this?
The first thing I would check is that everything is set to the same frequency. We were running our audio through a Zoom H4n for a while and it sounded fine on our end but it was shredding people's ears because we had it outputting at 44.8 and the computer was expecting 44.1 or something like that. What you're experiencing might be completely different (I don't even know if you can change the audio processing frequency on an ATEM) because it was across the board that people were being affected by this problem, not just certain OSes. Sorry I don't have more for you on this one.
I love this tutorial, I just have question, on my atem mini extreme iso there are times that the audio from mic 1 is only peaking on left, then after sometime it goes back to normal left and right. Any idea on this
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Informative video. Thank you. When I attempt to plug my H6 line out into the ATEM Mini I get a lot of distortion and feedback. When plugged into the headphone jack it was a bit better, but still lots of noise. Do you have any advice?
You can switch the signal level from Microphone to Line and that should improve the overload you're noticing. To do that though, you have to download the ATEM Software Controller from the www.blackmagicdesign.com. Good luck!
What if I use the DBX286s as the external compressor along with a Steinberg interface? Would it be better to skip the ATEM software compressor and EQ?
To paraphrase Obama, if you like your external compression, you can keep your external compression. I just do it in-unit because we use the ATEM Mini for our down and dirty field jobs where less gear = better experience.
The ATEM internal compression is better than what one would expect from such a cost-conscious device that is mainly focused on picture editing. But, it's still audio compression on a cost-conscious device mainly focused on picture editing.
Thank you for the video thank you alot, can u tell he how u set the gain on zoom h6 ?
That's the nice thing about line out. It's at a fixed level. We adjust the mic gain volume on the front of the zoom recording as per the needs of the recording but once you have a good level, you don't have to worry about headphone volume or anything like that. Good luck!
So I have a question or two? I am running my XLR mic through an mixer and running the mixer into line 1. I set the audio right along with this tutorial but when I did a test live stream, I got the video but there was no audio. Does anyone know what can cause this?
I have honestly forgotten to turn the track on and spent 10 minutes adjusting level on the signal before realizing that I'd left it off.
@@JJKoester I set the master control according to your settings as well... Clearly got a signal but when I went back to test the stream, I got the video but could barely hear the audio. But I guess at least I have audio... lol!!!
@@JJKoester I wonder if it would have anything to do with the Master fader slide on my mixer being set to 0....
@@realtalkradiowithdanlane Totally been there. Especially as these signal chains get longer and longer.
@@JJKoester How do you have your levels set up on your Zoom? I am thinking my issue isn't in the ATEM but the mixer itself.
What’s the setup for the Zoom P4
I'm a moron, can someone please explain this to me?
I have 2 microphones, say they're Shure SM7B's, I connect them to my Scarlett 2i2 audio interface, I then connect that interface to my computer via a USB-C to USB-A cord. usually, I record directly into audacity.
I'm wanting to know how I can connect this set up to the ATEM mini for live streaming so that I can combine my high-quality audio to my high-quality video while LIVE!
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
should be able to just do hdmi out of your laptop into the atem mini