Buying a $5000 Project Car to BEAT a Supercar | MORE FAST EP1
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- Can you beat a supercar with £15k budget? That’s exactly the argument we had down the pub and Scott thinks Will and I are stupid for even thinking about it.
🔴 Ep1 - Buying a $5000 Project Car to BEAT a Supercar
• Buying a $5000 Project...
🔴 Ep 2 - Can a $5000 Subaru BEAT a $200,000 Supercar?
• Can a $5000 Subaru BEA...
🔴 Ep 3 - Will $1000 Coilovers Help Beat a Supercar?
• Will $1000 Coilovers H...
🔴 Ep 4 - How Much Faster are Track Tyres?
• How Much FASTER are Tr...
🔴 Ep 5 - How Much Faster Is a Lighter Car?
• How Much FASTER is a L...
🔴 Ep 6 - Stock Brakes vs $1000 Track Brakes
• Stock Brakes vs $1000 ...
🔴 Ep 7 - Stock Power vs $2000 Engine Mods
• Stock Power vs $2000 E...
🔴 Ep 8 - $20k DIY Modified Subaru VS $300K Lamborghini
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Scott said we could have the money to try and prove him wrong, but with one condition - it had to be something practical. Stick around for this series of MORE FAST - where we try and upgrade our way to beating Scott in a Supercar.
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EP2: czcams.com/video/kYg1PqeKbrs/video.html - See how the Subaru compares against the supercar on a lap!
Mr. Mansell. I found the Driven Media channel from Driver61. I subscribed because of this series. Thanks for green lighting it.
im sorry but out of all that cars there is and you got that shit....... FFS guys and also stop trying to coppppppppy @donutmedia
even if it breaks to pieces at the end of the lap, you still win, so a weight reduction montage would be good
i totally agree
Colin Chapman agres.
Surely ducktape over the rear boot and back doors?? That'll be a bit of weight down...
Yes we're expecting PMMA replacing glass (with holes drill in the non-visible sections in the doors a la MX-5) and a huge pile of removed interior and unnecessary internals with light weight seats. Also try a Li-ion battery, swapping the metal fuel tank for a ~20L polymer based bag and if you can DIY a fibreglass body (using chopped strand mat with an epoxy that curse at room temperature and using the existing body as a mould) that'd be amazing.
Don't forget about the road legal oart of the bet
You should do a control lap. Do a lap now to see how much a mod gains in time
Maybe a control lap after they install the clutch but idk whether they’d want to do a bunch of upgrades at once if they’re taking out exhaust driveshafts and trans to do the clutch.
Great idea!
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Two control laps. One with the current clutch, one with the new clutch 😅
best option: chuck everything you dont need out of the car, but just enough stuff that it stays legal
I didn't hear any rules about it having to be legal :D Just quicker over a lap at a track. Toss the headlights and tail lights and maybe the doors too
@@albertwong5793 they mentioned it at the beginning that the car has to still be road legal
@@kurtlamprecht93 they said it once but didnt really acknowledge it so i just plopped it in the comments
@@albertwong5793 they said the rules. Budget, road legal, more useful and they have to drive it. 0:28
Since they're on a budget, no steering wheel, keep current wheels unless they severely limit width, clutch, brakes, lightening, suspension. *Then* start thinking about power.
If the wheels they were looking at were lighter, then they could get a performance boost.
@@rpgspyware9560 but wheels are expensive, and that money could save a lot more time when put elsewhere
@@rpgspyware9560 i dont think 170 pound wheels are gonna be lighter than the stock ones. Also since this is an estate it should already have 225 tires which will be plenty effective once they get rid of atleast150 kilograms of weight.
@@rpgspyware9560 It would be cheaper to rip out the seats they don’t need!
@@kurtlamprecht93 but they were not RPF1s they were a cheap rep of them
As soon as they mention buying alloys and changing the steering wheel you know they are gonna blow the budget on crap and lose
As soon as the guy scoffed at tires and said power instead
if they actually buy a new steering wheel im gonna unsubsribe and never watch a video from them again.
@@robertjusic9097, Seems a bit harsh doesn’t it?
Lightweight wheels are an immense upgrade FYI
@@gerardofiano4866 Yeh could blow £7k on a set of Magnesium wheels plus tyres but not the best way value for money to complete the challenge
This is extremely high quality content. Well done!
Quality as always*
weight reduction should be a main focus. remove all the sound installation and rear seats. You might then be able to sell the rear seats and spend that money on more mods.
Not sure if it still counts as practical if you remove the rear seats
@@razghost2 a van is considered practical even if it doesn't have a back seat. This would still be a two-seater, it just would have an enclosed cargo area.
@@razghost2 it needs to be more practical than a supercar, not more practical than stock form
This is definitely the most British take on Mighty Car Mods. Just needs a brew and a channel rebrand to Average Car Mods
Yeah, I can see Marty just going: 'Here guys, just put this list in.' Because he knows how to "DESTROY ALL NISSANS"
@@Mach1048 takes the clutch out... IN THE BIN
That is where that Clutch needs to go.
You've apparently never heard of Project Binky 😉
Spiffing Auto Alterations
you lost me at steering wheel... 😂um no
The old Top gear vibe is very strong. Please more of this
I'm loving these videos because of this exact reason, this is what top gear should have been after the reboot
Yeah , it's great. Because it's natural, down to earth, and not *trying* to be funny.
Presumably this was intended but I'm not complaining this is good
Because of the budget an goal, keep the stock wheels as long as they allow a wide enough tire, keep the steering wheel stock, don't mess with putting a wing or splitter, best budget track tires, brakes pads, suspension, and cut everything you can out of the interior to reduce weight, then a bit of power for the rest of the money, and obviously fix the clutch.
Exactly, it worried me how they seemed to be focussing on the wrong things!
Order of importance.
Turn up
Low weight
Big grip
Just a little bit of power
What would make a better steering wheel? He mentioned the stock one being "massive."
Congrats, you've hit jackpot with this channel and series. This is going to become big.
Totally.
Just don't change. Top gear started getting sh*t when the lads realised how funny/popular they were.
the buy was genius, clutch is a great upgrade
100% on the best tyres available + lighter wheels
brakes
suspension
then engine mods
Swap out the downpipe, up-pipe, injectors, fuel pump, boost controller, turbo inlet (NOT the intake!). stock catback and intake will not be a restriction at 300hp. For turbo Get either a used VF48 or like an FP Blue and run a used STI intercooler off the newer STIs along with a used 04-05 STI hood scoop and ducting. Dont cheap out on the tune and get it tuned for e85. Leave the stock wheels and go for as wide of a tire as you can fit. If youre concerned about braking get some used Subaru 4pots for the front and run some DOT 5 with aggresive pads. Pull as much of the interior as is reasonable, remove all the AC for weight savings. you could relocate the battery to the rear so the car isn't so nose heavy.
The trick here is going to be used parts, the subaru parts market is huge and Takeoff parts like Factory turbos and intercoolers are a lot cheaper than aftermarket.
To me, what is really going to make this challenge interesting is, Subaru wagons are prone to understeer. Handling will be your best friend to beating a supercar. Tires are the first most important factor. Get the best tires for track racing. Suspension is the second most important. Then weight and braking. You only need enough power to get up to 150mph in a decent time. Maintaining that speed is the most important.
What about the track? The would need to know how it is structured first, then it would be better to decide on what parts are the best. I agree that this would be the best allrounder. Maybe Something to increase Performance ?
remove everything from the car to get it light, really good tire, really good suspension, and a bit more power
That's what I thought as well, but they want it to be practical so some things might have to stay...
@@LumaControl They could argue that ripping everything out the back keeps it more practical due to having loooads of cargo space. Only needs to beat a lambo or whatever for practicality sake.
This series will be worth watching. I would prefer if Lambo's lap time would be known and Subaru made base lap time after clutch change.
That AWD is going to be a disadvantage if you're only looking at pushing around 300bhp, with the extra drivetrain loss and weight. I'm assuming it'll be a dry lap though.
I was expecting a Subaru cos it comes with awd as standard. And since you mostly get them with a 2.0 it leaves you with plenty of options to play around with hp and torque
@@kurtlamprecht93 I find it a good basis for the challenge. I could go in to further details but it would be fairly lengthy more than I have time for now to explain sorry! But google around and you will references to the 2.0 V4 being referred to as the “perfect” engine
@@kurtlamprecht93 Look up here on CZcams. Search “Perfect car engine”
@@Bluefox1978 1.8t 20v bam is perfect
@@timverelst1471 @KurtLamprecht true. I’ve also seen 2.2 vtec from Honda. It is not that it MUST BE 2.0 or not. My pov is just that when you hear about flat 4 engines from street legal car that can compete with supercars it very often ends up with a 2.0. Why this is so are more or less explained in some of that videos you find here searching “the perfect car engine”. Should I be guessing myself I would say that has something to do with how much combustion pressure you get relatively to torque, weight and fuel consumption and in that perspective have the optimal conditions with a V4 2.0.. Further argumentation would for me require a mechanical engineer specialized in combustion engines
I'd just go absolutly nuts ripping out every single piece of interior, rear glass, rear seats etc. Weight is everything!
yep, as long as it's still more practical at the end remove as much as possible
Pull out the comforts like air con and some interior bits and sell them to help pay for performance parts.
Please do recommend mods for this car! If you know something that will make it quicker - comment below!
Racing stripes, duh.
You have to put flame stickers on it 😂
They should paint a massive Scottish flag and blast the well known meme through hideous speakers, that'll definitelly slow your lambo down.
a KAPS squerntial transmission
A front splitter will do wonders for handling
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Racing stripes & flames will make it go faster though
This channel is filling my top gear void
I like the direction this channel is taking. A lot of varied content. I like those more funny vids but I hope you'll keep the vids about F1 as well!
Pretty brave of you to spend that much money on a video series that may or may not pay off in the end.
But 5 minutes in and I'm loving the janky goodness already
Mods that are super cost effective and give you lots of lap time:
Antiroll bar
Tires
"weight reduction"
Larger intercooler piping (Subaru's choke themselves a bit)
Great content , can’t wait to follow this series 💥
Another amazing video and I'm looking forward for the next part! 😄
The apostrophe instead of a comma in the title is making me so mad.
Apostrophe is normal in Europe , comma is only a North American thing (usually)
@@Ben-go1iq Not everywhere in Europe. In Germany we use dots.
@@TheBest-ee2lr Same here in Spain. That apostrophe look very weird to me haha
This is going to be an amazing series.
How long before Scott slaps the F1 wheels on this?
the most important things you should splash the cash on;
-wheels & tires
-brake pads
Depending on the condition on the current rotors, you might be able to get away with the stock ones since you're only doing 1 lap. Unless you could find used uprated brakes for cheap
This is awesome. Can't wait for the next.
it's like the Aventine eps. in Top Gear 😂
Brakes
Wheels
Suspension
Weight Reduction
Aero
Power ! ! !
😁😁😁 can't wait for the next episodes!!!
A bit late for this, but don’t bother with nice looking wheels. You need light ones, not flashy ones. Also the stock steering wheel will do just fine for one lap. Get good tires and suspension first, before adding more power. Also you really don’t need all those seats, carpets, trim pieces, stereo system, etc. Lot of unneccessary weight. You can also save a few kilos on taking out the fog lights, a sunroof delete, and surprisingly, emptying your windshield washer reservoir(that in itself is 2-5 kilos, depends on the capacity!!). For brakes, I’d go for EBC pads, and maybe some vented Brembo discs.
just subscribed, cant wait for progress!
This looks like it's going to be a great series.
I'm so glad I found this channel, its like things you do in a video game but in real life
as a subaru fan i love this series,more the fact that i also want a wagon like that only they're nearly unabtainable where i live,makes th is even more perfect,cant wait to see the series!
Huge turbo... intercooler...intake..rempa.. tyres... brake pads
love this, would be cool to have a series where you just buy car, modify them and race them against supercars
Awesome video guy
“Wagons are cool!” 🙌 well said 🤣
Remember the Volvo 850 estate touring car? They reckoned the extra length gave better cornering.
Love this so much
This series is worth a sub
If it is an on track race suspension and tires are obvious but upgraded rear limited slip and replacing the front open diff with an LSD is a must. That will definitely improve handling and have ultimate grip and power delivery.
C5 Corvette. It is more practical than a supercar but budget would be very tight for mods. The Scoob needs a lot of $$$ to go fast. Much more than 13k in mods. I know, I’m on my 3rd Subaru.
This series is gonna rock
8:33 "I think you should always spend the most on tires"... while taking about what WHEELS to get lmao
Such a great idea for a series
My 04 wrx wagon stock ripped a 2017 sti from the dig twice on the streets. I had 200lbs of tools and outdoor gear. Plus my dog in the back seat. The sti owner was riding alone and was blown away because my husky was hanging his head out the window and still gapping him haha. Love my wagon!!!
Yeah? Lol the new sti's weigh 400lbs~ more with the same hp
@@magicstew45 the 2017 Sti has 80hp more. It has the ej25 with a larger turbo and puts out 305hp. My Wrx wagon has the ej20 that puts out 227hp. It's is 400lbs lighter but definitely has less power and is at a disadvantage.
@@kaduzie_productions7257 easier to add comparable power to the old one than it is to drop the weight of the new one
Tires are a must, go splashing on them. Then I'd suggest a power tuning with some massive turbo, maybe a twin-scroll setup would do the trick and give enough power through a bigger rev range. Also, Chassis rigidity is necessary, so add on some cowl braces, frame rails, and also some other braces. Lastly, to carry the speed through the corners, fit in some stiff coils. Swapping the steering wheel and other stuffs is not necessary, which won't give a lot of power. But to deal with the increased power, clutch and brake upgrades are.
Beat a Supercar in that? You're going to need more than 300bhp and to stop wasting money on steering wheels, wings and new alloys. Start with a set of Pirelli hillclimb/sprint tyres to maximise the grip over a lap...
@@kurtlamprecht93 when we're talking about seeing which is faster, does it matter about being road legal? You can't race on the road anyway. Of course, there are loads of road legal hillclimb tyres, but they're not the ones I was referring to.
In order of importance - gut the interior, cup sport 2's for 1500, suspension 1000, brakes 700, race clutch & flywheel 1500, MD321V turbo 2000, injectors 500, front mount 1000, rods 1000, pistons 800, head bolts/gaskets 500, exhaust 500. Sell the gutted interior and buy an Ebay Nitrous system for 500.
Number one mod: Weight reduction! Get those backseats, speakers, AC... everything you don't need out of the car.
I sub this is so good I watched it backwards 😄
im subbing just for this series
Great idea for a series - subscribed. Don't waste your money on a steering wheel. Strip EVERYTHING out of it. Doesn't cost anything and you can sell the parts and spend more on mods.
What happened to my prize?
:-(
*THIS IS TURNING INTO A TOP NOTCH CHANNEL* not channels run OUT of ideas - these guys seem like they are just getting started.
An NO clickbait titles like "no one in the car industry wants you to know this one secret" - f-king hate that.
A scoobie is a great starting point, the 4wd could really pay dividends once everything else is sorted, and of course... MORE POWER! 😂
Id buy in order of priority:
1. Tyres
2. Brakes
3.suspension
4.injectors
5.(optional) turbo
6. Map
7. Chassis stiffness ( some of which can be done for cheap like welding a brace accross the rear suspension mounting points
8.exhaust
9.(Optional if there is remaining budget) bucket seat
10. Digital standalone dash. To replace the gage cluster.
11. Every other penny goes on race fuel
12. Take a big dump before racing!
Then standard items like weight reduction and full service are a given. Same with a new clutch.
Dont faff about list:
1.spending money on new wheels if the current ones will fit the new brakes
2.Steering wheel - just take the airbag out of the current one
3. Aero - you wont be going fast enough for most aero to work, and unless your going to spend a lot of money on getting low speed downforce it wont be worth it and will just increase drag. However, a very simple flat undertray with a slight rake and some plastic side skirts could make a small amount of ground effect for pretty cheap.
4.anything cosmetic in any way. Do the wheels come painted for 10 bucks more, nope that can go on fuel.
Remember road legal is pretty widely defined and if you really wanted to go crazy you could sand off the paint or even remove the headlights (day running only) that sort of thing.
Ooohhhg yes absolute masterclass
Now this is something people would love to see 👍
Now this would be an interesting episode
Can't wait to see how it goes
Subbed. Want the next episode
Car Throttle already shown that MORE POWA and sticky tyres get the most significant lap time improvements with their 3 series diesel wagon. :)
Next ep ty
1. Weight removal, it's FREE to do, Strip that sucker to nothing
2. Tyres, they have the biggest impact
3. Suspension
4. Power: Turbo & Map etc
5. Brakes
6. NOS? Cheap for instant gains, you're only doing one lap
7. Aero, splittler and wing
Please don't waste money on aesthetic stuff like MOMO steering wheel and gear knob, or facny looking wheels, if the current wheels are ROUND then use them
Light weight!!! Good content 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Yes, more of this!
I clicked on this thinking it was a donut media video by the thumbnail
this is awesome
coil overs are a must, that would improve lap time alot.
and rollbars of course.
then get as much weight reduction as possible, good tires.
and even tho you said it's better only getting better brake pads i think it's better to upgrade the whole thing cause if they fade after 2 corners then you're done.
obviously you'll never beat a supercar with this bugget and this car, you'd have to build a new car from the ground up, but these would be some of the best options.
Stock brakes don't fade to easily now.
Strip, half cage, second hand wheels, Yokohama semi slicks, turbo and light rebuild, poly bush, second hand bigger callipers, good seats and coil overs. If you do it right, definitely plenty of budget
Awesome pick.
"The thinking mans track car...." .confidence is key.
Don't forget that it doesn't have to be practical, just more practical than your opponent!
Good to see u changed the apostrophe into comma😄
"I've picked, a GIANT V8"
You can buy said giant V8 on ebay within the budget; from around £4200 ($5130), sometimes included with the gearbox attached (which would include the clutch, thereby solving that problem).
Essentially, what I'm saying is, LS SWAP IT!!!
@@kurtlamprecht93 From the land of selling sh**e, Ebay; DON'T TRY THIS (Not even a "don't try this at home") To add to the statement, I only searched it out of curiosity after a "GIANT V8" was mentioned....
“The think man’s track car” 😂
Please know good suspension and minimising unsprung mass with sticky tyres will have way more improvements than more power and aero
I love this stuff!
Let's all build supercar killers!
In the US I would say this challenge is much easier. The junkyard LS build is so easy and abundant and you gain a lot of power with less road legal restrictions.
I cried when I heard the screaming engine while it was cold. Other than that, love the contents ! 😁
This is the best car content on CZcams at the moment
Definitely get the remap and turbo
And those better tyres. Rather than a huge wing a flat underfloor pan helps airflow
where a wing slows you down at the top end
PS agreed on the idea of weight reduction
What does having a flat do? If you dont mind me asking?
Thanks
@@markrichards9934 a flat underfloor helps the air flow under the car's body improving top speed by reducing air resistance
Hagerty with Jason camissa is though to beat when it comes to car content on CZcams. But I do love what they are doing here
Big money tyres, cheapish coils,uprated ARB, poly bushes, strip interior, cheap buckets, cheap exhaust/decat, decent remap, I'd try and grab some recon brakes from an STI Etc and your away
Colin Furze did a psycho version of this on a show called FFF years ago. He stripped down every bit of body work in the end and just had a rollcage wrapped in clingfilm. He took out all the exhaust, pipes. It was so loud.
on the aero side: make a front splitter out of plywood, vent the top of the front fenders, DIY aluminium sheets for flat floor + diffuser. i also second putting wide, massive slicks on the car, at least 17x9 255
Make it lighter! And: buy good lightweight wheels, best suspension you can and set it up for track, best brakes you can and best tires. And nitro it. Of course fix clutch and make sure you've got good cooling. Don't do any intake/exhaust/turbo bullshit!
I love this
love it
Ripping all of the interior out will give you free performance(it's already more practical because of the wagoning), tires and suspension will make that even more effective, see where you are at after that
For overall lap time with a vehicle like this Colin Chapman comes to mind: "simplify, then add lightness". I personally would gut the car of anything unnecessary, reduce the rotating mass of the steel wheels with something lighter, add some sticky track focused tires, switch that God forsaken clutch for a lighter punchier one, upgrade the suspension and brakes (definite must!). If there is any budget left, then begin with exhaust and other power related mods. Have fun guys!
I concur. They'll probably need all of that including the power though, otherwise they'll lose too much on the straights.
It'll be literally a car attached to a turbo, man that's a good idea
Great buy! Who cares if the clutch slips if you're going to upgrade it anyways. Same with the brake pads! Great job.
In for it. Understand the need for cheap wheels but I hate cheap reps
Oooh I had one of these back in the day with a Pro drive performance pack back I think it was just under 5 secs 0-60 and 270 bhp
ooooh cool idea!
when they want to increase horsepower they need a new clutch that can handle it anyway so its not too bad that the clutch slips