Timney Alpha Trigger for Glock - Failures, Malfunctions, Light Strikes, Modifications, Warranty
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- EDIT 1 - 07/2022:
Timney currently offers a striker and connector combo that only works with their Alpha kit. Perhaps that might solve the issues but it's an additional 80 bucks over the cost of the Alpha kit. It's up to you if you think the new total cost is worth the hassle. I did install the kit in my buddy's Gen 5 with Alpha that was experiencing light strikes, and the kit did not resolve the light strike issues.
EDIT 2 - 09/16/22:
Timney allegedly has a new Alpha trigger bar out marked with a dimple to help stabilize the trigger bar under travael. It seems to have a higher success rate of working but does not appear to be consistent from the reports I've received.
EDIT 3 - 02/07/23:
Timney has removed the firing pin and connector combo from their site despite the many folks who acquired it as a potential solution, and the Alpha still failed.
This video discusses my experiences with the Timney Alpha Trigger for the Glock platform. Specifically, the Gen 3/4 variant that I used in my USPSA pistol. I also discuss one issue with the Agency Arms trigger.
I forgot to note in the video that during the testing phase I tried swapping the original OEM striker with a new OEM striker and it resulted in the same issues. After I swapped to my OEM slide with all factory internals and still experienced the same issues.
Another follower noted that his was functioning but he was using an aftermarket striker. It's possible that and aftermarket striker or a stronger than OEM striker spring may solve the issue but that goes against Timney's advertisement that this will function with OEM components.
Johnny Glock does have his Omega conversion for carry but that's the same as having a gunsmith correct the issues of the Alpha. That and you're spending more money on top of the trigger to make it work, which is (once again) counter to Timney's advertisement of "no gunsmith needed". It is also important to note that JG did have a discount code with Timney IF you order an Alpha for JG to convert to his Omega. Take that however you want to.
Thank you to my followers and fellow industry folks for providing me with their experiences. A big thank you to @darkangelfromabove for allowing use of his photos and our conversation. Comment below with your experiences.
Hilton of @108Performance released an excellent video discussing the Alpha. He was very fair and acknowledged the potential issues that some folks have experienced but also that his was functioning. Head over to his video for details.
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00:00 Intro to the Timney Alpha
01:37 What happened? Light strikes, replacements
04:28 Reported issues from others & measurements
06:06 Replacement trigger bar arrived & additional issues
07:56 Timney's response, WTFs, & final modifications
09:43 Final test firing - Success?!
12:37 Removal of the Timney Alpha & issues with Agency Arms
14:02 The bitterness is real - Warranty replacement. Where are we now?
17:06 The verdict & closing statements
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I purchased the Timney Alpha and the Johnny Glocks Timney Combat Conversion Kit plus his Timney Enhanced Vex trigger shoe upgrade - making the trigger setup just under $400 - and it still doesn’t work.
Damn, that sucks. You ordered the parts separately or had him do the work?
@@bunnyoperator ordered the parts separately, installed it myself. I’m having a grinding or friction issue which also creates a timing issue. My slide at times doesn’t return to battery and it causes all sorts of malfunctions.
@@harisbabic333 Thanks for providing the info. It's unfortunate that Timney and shops that run the Alpha aren't openly advising that the Alpha requires fine tuning to get it to function. This is probably why JG alludes that folks should send in their parts, if not entire frame, to him for fitting.
Ima send my Glock 29 because some how it’s not just right my other ones are good but this one is funky
@@elramo13 Keep us posted
Thanks for all of the detailed information. Very helpful.
With this trigger I've had light strikes only with ammo that has Berdan primers.
And reset issues too. Swapped in the red spring and it's been fine so far.
I have two Timneys, in a gen 3 and a gen 5. Neither were fully functional until I got rid of the aftermarket connectors and put in OEM dot connectors. All has been well for about 3500 rounds between them until yesterday when the gen 5 didn't ignite one single Fiocchi small pistol primer.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Was that failure to ignite a one time thing or multiple times?
I am getting mixed experiences from folks. Some are experiencing issues at the cross-section/cruciform end and others at the vertical extension/fin end or a combination of both.
Use oem spring only!
Sending mine back without even trying it. Don’t need the potential hassel when there are so many proven triggers available. Thanks for the detailed description of the issues you encountered.
Agreed. Had I known I would've passed from buying at all. The shills on social media fooled me on this.
That is unfortunate. I have one of these in my 19 and haven't had any issues through about 300 rds so far. I guess I will have to keep a close eye on it from here forward.
Great vid
Yes, keep watching. The issues arose later for some of the folks I've spoken to.
Have this trigger in my sct frame with heavy striker spring . The trigger safety shoe was rubbing the frame not letting the trigger reset. A very light sanding at the contact area made it worked perfect . A very Slight downward bend on the trigger bar where it meets the sear got rid of and creep. I have 500 rounds through it with no failures .
Thanks for the info. Don't see a lot of user end feedback on the SCTs over the P80s. Probably because it's serialized.
At the insane high price i would expect it to run flawless out the box which it clearly doesnt as claimed. No go for me
Thank you for your advise, I am so sorry for you to go thru all kinds of trouble. Take care and please us more advise.
A friend at the local range recently updated his gen 3 g19 with a Timney. He liked it except that he too was having about one light strike per magazine. I have a g19 with a Ghost Rocket connector, which requires some tuning. I have access to a mill so I was able to get rid of almost all of the overtravel. Quite frankly, I like my trigger better with just a $30 connector change.
That seems to be the general consensus. I don't find it to be worth the potential problems.
Have both Gen3 Timney Alpha in my G17, and Gen5 Timney Alpha in my G45. Both triggers purchased early 2021. All stock Glock springs with Glock minus “-“ connectors.
2k-4k rounds on G17.
4K-6k rounds on G45.
With all types factory new ammo n factory reloads.
Not one single issue on either. I regularly shoot IDPA and occasional USPSA.
Only mod I made to Timney trigger was the original kits shipped with one L-Spring which caused trigger pull to be very light and consequently caused a slow trigger reset since same spring used for both. I replaced L-Spring with a McMaster L-Spring; #9287K78, 1lb, 2.25coils, 0.187” shaft diameter. $4.19ea.
Had to trim the legs slightly but now have 4-4.5lb trigger pull and snappy reset. I prefer the heavier trigger pull and find that I don’t feel it since Timney is a single stage trigger and not 2 stage as in the stock Glock trigger.
When Timney came out with the heavier L-Spring due to slow reset complaints, I gave that a try on both my Glocks, but found I much preferred the reset response using the McMaster spring. My shooting buddy got his Timney Alpha around the same time I did for his Gen3 G19, and also has experienced no issues whatsoever in over 3k rounds.
I guess we’re some of the lucky ones with no issues. Hope this helps.
Thank you for your data point. I have also read up of folks swapping their trigger return springs for ones found at the local hardware store.
It is pretty much a "use with caution and monitor" trigger. There are too many issues reported for anyone to trust these wholeheartedly and you are correct that there are the lucky examples out there.
It is very concerning that so many of these have reported issues, and I am continuously receiving more examples each week.
So far the Enhanced Feel Shoe isn't giving me issues but time will tell with that one. Stay tuned for updates as more data is collected.
Thank you for McMaster info. I can’t find exact match of k78. Can you help please
Great video with solid content as always. You gave it way more effort than most would to try and make it work. Thanks for always educating us fans
I'm not normally a gear reviewer type but it was necessary to share my experiences and the experiences of others for this item.
I have the timney trigger in a gen 5 34 and a gen 3 17L. I have had to issues with hundreds of rounds through each pistol. But my friend has had the same problems you have had with light strikes.in his gen 5 19 Thank you for your video.
Thanks for the data. The inconsistencies are the issues. I feel that it's a matter of when their system starts to fail as parts begin to wear. It's not as simple as swapping springs especially with the examples I've seen of alpha bars chipping or deforming from functional installs.
I Just ordered one before watching this video. I hope they fixed all the issues by now.
Check to see if there's a dimple at the vertical extension. If there is then it's the Gen2 and you might be OK. Still monitor until you're comfortable and remember that this isn't recommended for carry.
@@bunnyoperator I’ll check, thank you. Yes would be my plinking gun only.
I absolutely LOVE the Timney Alpha. It's the reason why I got frustrated enough to rage purchase my Masterpiece Arms DS9 Commander. Thanks!
That's good your experience was positive. Care to share your setup? Glock gen, Alpha gen, internals configuration, round count after install, etc...
@@bunnyoperator Unfortunately, my experience with the Timney Alpha was not positive. When it ran well it felt great, but I was getting a combination of light strikes and the trigger safety hanging up on the frame. Eventually I just went back to a stock trigger. I had been on the fence about buying another gun, especially one that cost around 3k, but this whole process made me annoyed enough that I just said fuck it and went and bought the DS9. That's why I was like "thanks Timney". Not for the nonstop problems, but for being the tipping point that got me into a superior firearm.
@@JESSEverything Oh, gotcha. I missed the sarcasm in your initial comment. 😅 Yea, it seems your experience matches most of ours. When it worked it was fine, not wow but fine, and when it didn't work it was a frustrating disaster. There is no way that Timney isn't aware of this yet they continue to push the product as is without consumer advisement. It's misleading, and frankly dishonest of Timney to handle it the way that they are.
Best video for the Timney Alpha Trigger. I had a gunsmith, who had installed several of them, including 3 on his personal Glocks. He installed it on my Glock 26 gen 3. Well, I got 50 good rounds out of it, before massive reliability problems. The take-up disappeared, and it was like a 1911, right at the wall, which by-passed the safety. Also, it started to not reset, sort of like a dead trigger, but if you kept moving your finger, it would fire, very unsafe. In dry fire it would reset every time, weird. My gunsmith wanted to try and fix it, like bend the OEM connector. I told him take it out immediately. It is not worth having a nice candy ass break, to give up on the 3 best things about a Glock trigger. Reliability, Safety, and that incredible strong tactile Re-Set, especially on the Gen 3.
Very true. Timney's marketing is misleading, and they aren't transparent about the level of mods required. Do you recall if the trigger bars had dimples at the vertical extensions?
I will have an updated video to this later. Timney has made a few changes but the problems are still there. There is an inherent design problem paired with their lack of QC.
@@bunnyoperator We called Timney, and they were very polite. My Glock 26, was made in 2001, and has the 3 pins. My gunsmith noticed the locking block looked a little different, so he compared it to a new gen 3 26, he had in the shop. The locking block was indeed a little different. Timney immediately said that they wouldn’t recommend the Timney Alpha in that older gen 3 model. Why couldn’t they warn us before we went through all the trouble installing, and going to range shooting?
@@gracedagostino5231 Yes, that is unfortunate. I don't believe a disclaimer was added, which is irresponsible.
ordered in December 2023, same issues, just returned. i got about 70 rounds through then the misfires, dead trigger you mention, not resetting... when id rack the slide, the next chambered round would go off... so unsafe man.
My Timney trigger in my Gen 5 Glock 34 started failing to reset yesterday. I’m going to look at the internals today. Sucks that so many are having this issue.
You're not the only person this has happened to. Mine failed during a match, and a few others have reported 100% success until later when they started experiencing 60-80% failure.
I put one in my gen 5 Glock 34 and it runs flawlessly. I then ordered another Alpha set for my gen 5 Glock 17 and it had a combination of problems at the range. First it wasn’t going into battery every once in a while and the trigger shoe wasn’t resetting. The battery issue was related to the compensator I was testing and quickly remedied that issue, but the trigger reset was due to drag of the trigger bar against the connector in the trigger housing. I switched out the grey ghost connector with a Glockstore double diamond I had on hand and reassembled it and no longer had the trigger bar binding that I had experienced. I was a Glock Armorer until I left the business side a few years back but I have to say that based on my experience the Timney Alpha system may be user installed, but it’s not entirely drop in if you have some out of spec parts.
In our experiences the Timney parts were certainly varied in specs.
@@bunnyoperator I completely agree with you based on your video. QC issues or engineering tolerances, it shouldn’t happen with Timney products. I do love the concept and at least with the two that I purchased, I’m satisfied with the performance gain.
@@philc481 Completely agree. It shouldn't happen from a company with such a reputation as Timney. I really hope they get their issues resolved with this system.
I just added an Alpha kit to my Glock 41. Had it installed by a Glock certified armorer. After it was installed, I tested the trigger on a gauge and found it was releasing at 2 pounds rather than the advertised 3 pounds. At the range, found that when you follow the trigger forward to the sound of reset. It was so sensitive that it would double-tap. At this point, I would have to say that I consider it an unsafe pistol. I've contacted Timney for their advice on what I can do to get this resolved. Not sure what to do...any ideas?
It's bypassing one of the safeties, likely not resetting past the plunger. Definitely reach out to Timney to let them know.
I went with the Johny Glock Flat Face Trigger and that is by far the top of the food chain!!!!!! 🔥 🔥 🔥 I can't recommend it enough!!! I run it on my EDC Glock 43X MOS and LOOOOVE IT!!!!
Nice
So I have the Agency Arms trigger for my Gen 5 and I’ve heard a lot of people having problems with the pin walking out also…..that being said I’ve put close to 1800 rounds on it without a problem so far. I am keeping an eye on it though along with my Gen 3 Agency trigger.
Hopefully you get the Timney figured out man!
Yes, as with anything continue to monitor and check over your equipment.
Who did the stippling framework on the glock shown at the end of this video? Look s excellent. Also, I am curious as to what magazine release, is shown there as well. When the right side of the gun is shown it appears oversized and knurled.... Is it ambi or just for additional traction when shooting?
Frame work by me. Laser stippled by Laser Blade Engraving. Ambi mag release is a Ranier Arms MARS for Gen 3. They also make a Gen 4 variant.
@@bunnyoperator Thanks Bunny... subbed
Weird... mine works great. Question: Did you ever try it with the OEM slide? I assume you were using stock OEM striker, striker spring, plunger and plunger spring? Looks like a Zev "Duty" slide and although works amazing in my OEM 17 I do have a 19 with that same Zev model slide and wondering if that non OEM slide is contributing to some of your issues...
Yes, I noted in the video that I also swapped to my full OEM slide.
It's not a slide issue. The comments here from others confirmed it's a timing issue caused by the inconsistent specs of the bar. It's a Timney issue.
Dude OMg i've been having light strikes as well though it was my upper or striker was broken! wow so how do I go about this should i just contact timney and tell them and did they help you?
Do contact their CS and have them send you a replacement bar to see if that solves your problem. Do update me here with how your experience goes.
I have an idea of where the issue is but I am waiting for additional experiences of others who are continuing to experiment. It's a flawed design unfortunately.
The video explains that I gave up on the system and traded the Alpha in for their Enhanced Feel Shoes.
Wow, sorry to hear about your issues. I have 2 x Gen 3-4 and a Gen 5 Timney Trigger. They all worked great from the start. Comparing to my OEM Glock, from the start, the Timney struck the rounds with less force, but I didn't really experience light strikes where the round didn't go off. After about a thousand rounds, my OEM striker spring got worn where I did get light strikes. I bought new 6lb striker springs, installed them, and all is well now. The strikes are now comparable to my OEM Glock. Again, sorry to hear your issues.
That's the way it is sometimes. Do you mind sharing the configurations of your Glocks? As in are they running OEM or aftermarket parts?
@@bunnyoperator G17 Gen3: only changed out the barrel (Faxon Firearms Match Series), striker spring (NDZ 6lb spring), Timney Trigger Alpha Glock Trigger, and Wilson Combat fiber optic sights. Everything else is stock. My G19 Gen 5: Faxon Firearm Match Series threaded barrel, Herrington Arms Glock Compensator Gen 5, NDZ Performance 6lb striker spring, Wilson Combat fiber optic sights, Timney Trigger Alpha Glock Gen 5 Trigger, SLR Rifleworks magwell. Everything else is stock. PSA Dagger FS (Glock 45 clone, but Gen 3): SW2 slide cut w/ RMR footprint, Holosun 507C (green dot), Faxon Firearms Duty threaded barrel, Herrington Arms compensator, NDZ Performance 6lb striker spring, Timney Trigger Alpha Glock Gen 3-4 Trigger, SLR Rifleworks magwell. I am currently messing around with my PSA Dagger compact, where I changed out the stock connector to a NDZ Performance 3.5 polished connector, polished the trigger bar, striker safety, and striker lug section that interacts with the cruciform of the trigger bar. Swapped out trigger shoe with angled flat face trigger shoe. I am quite impressed that it dropped the pull weight to 3.5lbs.
@@Styxx2018 Thanks for sharing. Some of your parts definitely alter timing and could contribute to the successful application of the Alpha. It should help folks who choose to stay with the trigger platform.
Are you using small pistol primers or small rifle primers? I use small rifle in my 1911 38 sup. I have a Timmer in my 19, I haven't shot it yet....
I've only ran factory ball with this setup.
The only problem I had with my gen 5 and the alpha kit was it was dragging somewhere with the factory connector. I bent the stock connector then swapped it for a lone wolf. No light primer strikes no malfunctions.
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us.
Nice video. Appreciate the info.
I'm glad it was helpful
I also had the issue of the trigger safety tab not resetting at first but it went away after some dry firing. Sucks you had so many issues. I've tried so many aftermarket Glock triggers yet I still haven't found any that I was really happy with. I've pretty much given up on Glocks because of it.
We'll see how the enhanced feel shoe works out.
Yessssssss
Had the same issue on my just installed Alpha in a Gen3....two fired out of 10 and primer strikes were unbelievably light. Used the supplied .035 hex bit and backed out the take-up screw a turn/turn & 1/8th and problem solved. Compared cases to OEM trigger fired cases and primer strikes were just as deep. Viola - problem solved. I kinda figured this was the issue because the same remedy is used when installing the Sweet Pea trigger in the Ruger LC9S Pro.
Thanks for the info. Interesting that the pre-travel adjustment affected your trigger in that manner. I wonder if it physically changes how the system sits in the frame.
@@bunnyoperator it allows the trigger bar to move further back mitigating obstruction with the rst of the fire control linkage
I've got one in a p80. Works great. Prob about 800 rounds through frame. Used oem slide and internals and aftermarket slide
Thank you for the data point.
@@bunnyoperator I have 3 in my p80 and it has been awesome.
Have you consider testing it with another brand of ammo (or primers, in case you use reloaded ammo)?
I have a Timney AlphaTrigger myself on my G17 gen4 and never had any issues with it.
Does your trigger bar have a dimple on it?
It's not an ammo issue but a timing issue caused by the design of the system. The trigger bar's specs drags on the plunger, which is why the gen2 bar has a dimple on it but even then it doesn't work all the time.
Interesting. My trigger bar has no dimple on it. I stripped down all the trigger system of my G17, put it back on, and everything seems to work just fine.
I was considering wether it might have anything to do with the firing pin spring. Mine is OEM.
@@mbarronv1 Everything I was running was OEM. I even swapped to my original OEM slide with the trigger and it also resulted in light strikes. A few other channels Johnny Glock and Tactical Pontoon, also noted the issues with the Timney design in their respective recent Glock Performance Trigger videos. It seems to be an inherent design flaw with the Timneys, and IMO a QC problem based on the reports from others. It seems that bar specs vary greatly when comparing as shown in my video, which can lead to problems. I think it goes beyond tolerance stacking in Timney's execution in this case.
Only issue I’ve had is reset. I actually think mine seems to get dirty from the gun powder along the trigger bar against the frame. I cleaned it and had no issues after that. I do keep an even on powder build up.
Sticky trigger is a common complaint with the Alpha. The choice to position the TRS where it is combined with the anemic spring choices seems to be the causation.
I'm glad that you haven't experienced issues otherwise. Do you mind sharing your pistol internals configuration and whether or not your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension?
The only thing I installed was the trigger kit the way it comes. I have no other upgrades to the gun and it’s a Glock 34 Gen 5. I’ll have to check the other part you mentioned when I get off work.
I just ordered one. I hope the newer ones are in spec. Thanks.
Report back with your experiences. Check the trigger bar to see if there's a bump at the vertical extension. That should show that it's "gen 3" of the Alpha design.
I put one in my gen 3 Glock 17 OEM lower and it worked fine for about 500 rounds. No noticeable problems from the trigger, although I was rather preoccupied with all of the problems caused by the Zaffiri slide and TiN fluted barrel (feed issues and failure to go into battery- neither was the trigger's fault). Last week, I swapped the Timney trigger and put it into a Lone Wolf frame to use with a Glock 17 slide and a Wilson Combat barrel in a new build for Limited division. I was hoping to use this gun in an upcoming USPSA match, and I needed to function check it for reliability with the new trigger. I had to use the Lone Wolf rear trigger housing because it was tapered differently than the Glock OEM housing to fit the Timberwolf frame. I took it out today and had so many problems I packed up and went home to swap the trigger back to the OEM framed Glock. I had more light strikes than I could count on factory ammo (Blazer brass 115gr), but I would estimate maybe 25-35 light strikes out of 100 rounds (some took three times through the gun before igniting). I experienced a failure to reset of the trigger at least 7-10 times in 100 rounds. Finally, and this was a bit scary, my gun went full auto at one point after a failure to reset and manually racking the slide, but I only had two rounds left in the magazine. I did have a Glock OEM connector in the trigger housing, but I cannot be too angry at Timney for not working in an aftermarket frame that is probably out of spec. After searching and finding this video, it makes sense that the striker is dragging on the trigger bar, causing the light strikes. I am not sure why I was having the reset issues. I am going to put it back into the OEM frame and test it some more for reliability.
That's unfortunate and quite a scary experience. Does your trigger bar haveba dimple at the vertical extension? The system seems to be sensitive to the connection angle and safety plunger as well. The reset issue is due to the trigger return spring design and possible drag on the frame. Frankly the Alpha just isn't executed well.
I have the 1.0 timney glonk trigger and had issues with light strikes before I switched to a 6lb striker spring there still occasionally is a light strike but not often. Figured it was because there was all ZEV trigger parts and springs installed before I put the timney in and they didnt want to work with each other like oem stuff would have.
Hard to say. I've found that each person's issues vary. The Timney specs aren't consistent either.
installed mine in a SS DR920P and it's been flawless after over 700 rounds
Does your trigger bar with a dimple at the vertical extension? SS did alter their design a from oem G, so good to know your example is working with those parts. Keep it going and report back.
What striker spring do you have? Did you try running the heavier spring with the Timney trigger
OEM. This was done on purpose to eliminate X-factors. No, I did not try a heavier spring as that was not a requirement to run the Alpha according to Timney's product details.
I’m not sure if it’s related but I have one in my Gen 5 17 and now I can’t get bullets to chamber when I insert a magazine. It gets lodged every time. I’m going to have to put the old one back in and check.
Oh, that's interesting. I don't "think" that's trigger related but you can disassemble and reassemble one more time before going back to stock.
Just wondering if you ever tried the Timney with the Glock OEM barrel?
Yes, the video explained that I swapped to my complete OEM slide with the same result.
Just ordered the trigger, wish I watched the video you made first cause my mind had completely changed 😂 think it’s going to go back. Thanks dude!
Any trigger out thier that you would suggest price doesn’t matter to me it’s performance! ?
That's really a personal choice and dependent on what you want out of a trigger. I am fine with oem but you can try a shoe swao to one that fits you better ergonomically.
I put the timeny alpha in my PSA Dagger, the break is fantastic, and the reset is too. The pre travel however feels like ass, and very frustrating. Also the tool that is supposed to adjust the pre travel screw didn't fit well and completely stripped my screw head. I had got it to screw in just a bit, and it was too much, i lost blade safety function. I really had a hard time backing that screw back out, and destroyed any future adjustments possibilities.
That's unfortunate. See if they'll warranty exchange or refund you.
Works perfect in my gen 4 glock 19. Under 3 lb trigger pull and no reset issue.
Thank you for your data point. I'm assuming all OEM internals without modification needed? Did you install?
@@bunnyoperator i guess its not working when you using light striker spring or it has 10k+ ride. When using all stock - works well.
@@eugenetacklberry7318 No, mine was all stock as was other folks.
I have 3 Alphas. I have had one for a month in a gen 4 19, around 750 rounds through it. I have a gen 3 17 with about 500, and a gen 5 19 with about 500 through it. I have had zero malfunctions. If I have any, I will immediately admit it and look for a fix, but so far I have had none. It could be that mine are very new and are updated.
It's very possible. This video is over fairly old now and I have not seen any recent examples in person, so I cannot confirm what Timney is currently doing with the Alpha. The last update that I saw was the addition of the dimple to the vertical extension.
Timney trigger made my ZP Glock 17L go automatic. Scared the shit out of me. It doesnt reset at all. Still troubleshooting it. What do you call 2 bullets come out with one trigger pull? It double taps itself.
Well damn. That's not good at all.
Are you running a stock trigger saftey and stock firing pin spring?
Internals were stock less the Timney. I even swapped back to my original OEM slide with same results.
Sent my G45 in to Timney and told them to make it run. Apparently the Alpha trigger I bought was out of spec. They put in a new unit and one of they're connectors and now it runs flawlessly.
That's good that it worked out for you but it seems your malfunction experience is consistent with other.
They don't have connectors on their site for sale or included with the kit, so I do find that interesting. Was there an indication of who made it?
I had the same light strikes on my 19, swapped out to my 17 (brownells slide) rest oem and couldn't be happier. Seems to be a tolerance stacking issue.
Definitely a spec inconsistencies + tolerance stacking. Brownell's slides have been interesting as of late also. Their product review pages pretty much explains it.
Glad to say I haven't had any issues with my trigger...yet. I installed the trigger in a p80 17 frame with the red trigger spring, as well as installed a ghost 6lb striker spring due to all the videos and posts on light strikes and reset issues. So far 200 rounds no issues.
It seems to be a timing issue but everyone's individual setup seems to vary depending on parts and tolerances.
I'm glad that you're not experiencing issues but continue to monitor. There was a point when I didn't experience any issues only for them to resurface the next outing. Additionally, others have reported experiencing issues later and noticeable material loss from the trigger bar.
@@bunnyoperator did u locktite the small retaining screw that you put in the bottom of the trigger housing? Possibly the screw walked out and allowed the drop in sear to move around cause excess friction?
Also I think that hitting the top of the trigger bar with some sand paper could help a ton,
@@Minutes-Mils Yes, I did. As for the vertical extension our samples measured to be taller than the OEM but the Alpha physically sat lower in the frame when installed i.e. the vertical extension sat lower, and likely affecting the timing of the plunger. Removing material would be counter to our findings.
@@bunnyoperator interesting find, have you tried a different plunger spring maybe +/- the weight? I do have a reduced power plunger spring installed as well
@@Minutes-Mils One of the setups that have a higher rate of success was using a longer, aftermarket plunger such as Apex.
I personally didn't do this as I was testing Timney's claim that it worked in OEM configurations without the need for a smith.
My first Timney trigger for Glock 19x. Didn’t work, the trigger wouldn’t reset. I was running a Ghost connector and springs and skeletonized striker. Had to bend my connector and remove the springs and striker back to OEM. Worked like a charm.
Keep monitoring. Majority of the problems had to do with timing issues created by out of spec trigger bars. When generation bar did you have, BTW? Was there a dimple on it?
Wish I saw this vid a month ago. I recently installed the Alpha comp series in my Glock 45 (gen 5). Before install I polished my stock (.) connector, mainly cause I was bored. Everything else is stock. Only had it at the range once with about 120 rounds through it and all went well...really liked the feel of it, at least compared to the stock trigger. But now I'll be thinking about this with every range trip. I'm assuming I have their "latest" version. What dimple are you talking about? Also I will keep you posted on mine.
The dimple should be at the trigger bar's vertical extension or "shark fin". That is an indication of trigger bar generation.
@@bunnyoperator OK I do have the "updated" one. Last week at range reset was still a bit sticky so I contacted Timmy on this and like others have said, they recommended bending the connector slightly (they emailed me detailed pics on this), and also said to install red spring (stiffer) even though I have stock connector. Did this and went to range today and the trigger felt soooo good...much better feel and very crisp reset! And still no misfires *knocking on wood*
@@rickymo76 Thanks for the update. I have seen that recommendation before, and it consistent with what shops like TTI need to do to "tune" the Alpha to their production pistols. Regardless, it goes against their claims that this is user installable and functional with OEM parts. If they didn't advertise it as such and stated that tuning was required then this wouldn't be as large of a problem.
@@bunnyoperator Totally agree. Guy even said that there are many issues with gen 5, like the connector and making sure to use "red" spring regardless but they mention neither in they're install instructions.
Thank you very much for Video
I have a big issue with Trigger Rest on this Timney Alpha trigger for GEN 5. Small issue immediately after intial installation, and after atlist 1000 rounds become a big issue: Stop to reste
That is definitely a common experience. Reach out to their CS to see if they have a solution for you or can issue you a refund.
Thank you very much for your advice
So with all of this being said, was this a quality control issue, or an actual design flaw? Because I see more people talking about Sigs going off in holsters
Appears to be a combination of both. They've updated the design twice now, and added a firing pin/connector combo specific to the Alpha on their site but these issues still continue.
I had trouble in a P80 full size frame with double firing. I replaced the trigger mechanism housing with a johnny glock over travel adjustable one and the connector with a Johnny Glock polished 5.0(.) one. This completely resolved my issues. The aftermarket stuff was slightly out of spec, at least enough to matter.
It's definitely a picky system that requires tuning
After 500 round on my gen 5 Tim trigger tit started to have reset issues. I probably have to clean it more n polish my trigger bar.
Keep monitoring. Some folks experience problems later on. In my experience it definitely seems sensitive to debris.
I have the Timney in my OZ9C without issue but it has the JG combat upgrade. I have about 1500 rds through it. I also have one for my OZ9 but haven’t installed it. I really don’t mind the stock ZEV trigger on a range gun just don’t care for the rolling break as a carry option.
It's good that it works for you. I do caution that the Alpha was specifically designed as a competition trigger not carry. Johnny Glock has his mod for carry though.
Thanks for this info
I have a gen 3 and gen 5. Gen 3 had 2 light strikes out of 100 and gen 5 has pretty serious striker drag and cant get teigger to reset. Going to polish the hell out of it and go from there
That sounds consistent with what I've seen. Do both have a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator no only the gen 5 does. Gen 3 has no dimple
@@brodemode8126 OK, dimple is Gen 2. Sucks that you're experiencing that issue with their latest gen.
I have almost 3000rds through mine and never had a single hiccup. I am running a Nomad 9f frame, factory 17 gen5 slide, Timney kit with Johhny Glocks combat conversion, all other parts are stock gen5. It’s perfect. This gun has sidlined my M&Ps and PDPs.
The JG conversion alters the Alpha from its factory configuration as was the point of this test. Even then some have reported that they still experienced light strikes and sent back to JG for fine tuning.
I have a 1000 rounds through my new g19 gen 3 (CA) and the first mod I added before shooting was the timney trigger. Everything else is stock. I'm shooting Fiocchi reloads and I havent had a single malfunction.
Thanks for sharing 👍.
Which brand trigger would you recommend for a Glock 19 Gen 5, I would love to modify the trigger on mines but I’m just afraid of malfunctions and all.
The OEM Glock Performance Trigger is pretty solid but OEM Gen5 is already quite good as well. I don't notice much of a difference between most triggers I've tried when in use.
@@bunnyoperator thanks for this I will definitely take a look. I was always skeptical about changing the entire trigger system cause of malfunctions, was looking at just maybe changing the shoe the trigger only instead if it helps with non malfunctions. Trigger from tyrant cnc I.t.t.s
I have two.. one in a gen 3 Glock 34 and one in a psa dagger.. the g34 works flawlessly, the dagger however i can’t figure it out.. it works with Glock mags but not magpul mags.. and when i changed the spring to the red spring it doesn’t work at all.. i dunno what to do now..
That pretty much sounds like a tolerance stacking issue amplified by existing Alpha spec issues.
I have the Timney Alpha in my G34. I have had the exact problems. I took my gun to a gun smith 3 different times. Finally, after messing with it ( fine tuning .) It seems to be running well. Close to 10k thru it now. I do think running the crap out of it has helped as well.
I'm now very happy with this set up. But took some time.
@@smcwhinney69 Yea, tuning is definitely required of this item. It wouldn't be a problem if they were forthcoming with it so people can decide for themselves. They claimed drop in and compatibility with OEM when it's not.
Yeah that's weird I have a gen-5 and I put activity Timmy alpha trigger in ending up with the Dead trigger only after it shoots
It's probably frame contact paired with their weak spring provided.
TA with lite polish on trigger bar + connector smooth and tight no issue so far under 150 rnds G19 gen5, TA feels similar to GPT shooting to back to back at the range.
Similar, although I think the GPT behaves a little more consistently. The Alpha definitely has the better shoe.
I dont shoot nearly as much as you do but so far mine has been flawless. Do you have an approximate round count when you began experiencing your failures?
Almost immediately 😢 Within 2 magazines after initial install.
@@bunnyoperator mine were within the first magazines. 50/50 light strike to bang ratio. Straight poop
@@bunnyoperator pretty lame, especially their blasé attitude
@@3091181 Yes, that nonchalant vibe is consistent with the CS that others have also reported along with my own experience.
It was too casual as if they knew exactly what was going on. Not uncommon with the corporate pew side.
@@bunnyoperator that's garbage, they should take a page out of the Duck Fathers book. Sorry to hear about your experience.
I am wondering whether by cutting out a channel on the crucifix you have actually effectively got rid of one of the safeties? Now, if your striker is somehow released, there won't be anything to stop the striker other than the plunger. Any thoughts on that?
It doesn't prevent capturing of the striker tail when the trigger is forward. The relief cut was intended to relieve strike tail drag on the trigger bar's cross section. I don't think it did anything really, so probably not a needed mod.
@@bunnyoperator I am glad to hear that. I own one of these triggers...... and I am having light strikes now and then. I have reached out to Timney and waiting for them to tell me what they recommend.
@@metubepick2008 Did your vertical extension have a dimple? If so, then it's the Gen2 variant. If not then it's the older one and they'll probably send you a replacement bar... or simply ghost you like they've done to others.
@@bunnyoperator Hmmmmm, I will check the vertical extension for the dimple. Thank you!
@@bunnyoperator Just checked aaaaaand my trigger does have two dimples.
Have you checked the inside of your striker channel? Checked the cups don't meet where the striker spring ends? No debris built-up against the inside of the breech face inside the striker channel?
Maybe try replacing the liner?
Maybe try a fresh striker & spring?
It's definitely not that. 😂
I've had lots of issues on my two gent glocks. But my m&p 10mm timney is the stuff of dreams. I want to love them on my glocks but I just can't seem to get them to reset reliably.
That's unfortunate. Do you know which generation your TImneys are? Do they have red springs, and do they have bumps at the trigger bar vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator not sure. They are the gen 5 ones. Super annoying. I had the guys at the gun shop install them. They worked fine for a little bit but then they had some issues. No light strikes yet.
@@peaches365 Check the overtravel adjustment screw but push comes to shove request a refund from Timney.
I purchased the Timney Trigger for my Glock 31 Gen 4. My problem is the trigger will not reset. At bench it functions just fine. At the range, 2 shots are good, then the trigger will not reset. Usually it takes several minutes to get the slide off the frame. Then at the bench it functions, but upon firing a couple of rounds the trigger is dead.
That's terrible. Have you ID'd the causation?
Why is there light strikes when you change the trigger group? Did something happen to the firing pin and spring? Educate me
It's a timing issue caused by the trigger bar being un-captured. There is side to side play under travel and the vertical extension doesn't engage the firing pin block/plunger at the same location consistently. This is what's causing the FP to contact the plunger and strike primers lightly. You can tune your connector and other components like using a longer plunger but that goes beyond being a user drop-in design as claimed.
I doubt itll work but i just got mine in and i have a glock 19 gen 5, everything is stock beside the slide stop. Ill be shooting soon and im hoping i have a bit more luck. I know timney has this trigger specified for certain generations and i made sure to get it for gen 5. Funny enough i had a timney ar trigger and it had lps for around 50 shots and after that it just worked. Ill come back here to tell you if i have any issues ill probably run at least 200-300 rounds
@@vietnamtactical I appreciate you for sharing your future experience. Did your Gen5 Alpha have a dimple at thr vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator yes on the trigger bar it has a dimple on it, any idea on the difference?
@@vietnamtactical Dimple means Gen2 Alpha.
I installed one on my stock Glock 45 (gen 5). I'm not very happy with the reset, it is fairly sluggish. The break is very nice, and I haven't had any malfunctions yet. Not sure yet if I'm going to keep it.
You're using the red spring? I've noticed that even with the stronger red it's still sluggish. Does yours have a bump at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator tried both springs, the reset is a little better with the red but the break is also slightly worse. Mine does have a bump on the vertical extension. The trigger bar seems to be rubbing on the slide stop lever causing additional drag which is probably making the reset worse. I polished everything up, including the area on the slide stop lever which didn't seem to help much.
I'm tempted to try out Johnny Glock's Improved Timiney Shoe which he claims does wonders for the reset but it's $100. That's a lot of money just to get the trigger reset improved (assuming it works).
@@thefinder8087 Ok, so you have the latest variant.
Agreed. JG does great work but this kit plus his mods makes this nearly a $400 trigger if you include Timney's FP/connector kit that they were so lowkey about. I saw his trigger shoe with the cutout for the spring. Why Timney didn't do that on their own is beyond me. I am also wary that JG has a discount code for the Alpha when ordering for him to work on. That suggests that they have some back-end deal going on.
To this day, Timney still has not released a definitive formula/combo of what is needed to make their Alpha perform at 100%, so even if your kit is working now it may not later either by itself or if you mod further.
I shoot M class in USPSA Production with nothing more than polishing and a Glock 'minus' connector.
No amount of "upgrade" is worth it if you sacrifice reliability. The more skill you have, the less of these trigger systems you'll need to rely on.
There are guys at the range with Timney and JGlock triggers and they are undoubtedly 'nicer' than my setup. But mine goes bang each and every time. Sometimes that adage of "less is more" is absolutely true.
Even OEM components fail or can be limited ergonomically to the individual but that's not the point of the video. People can decide for themselves what works for them and we can see from the comments that there are still folks that favor the Alpha. This video is just one data point.
To all you glock guys. I have a 2 pin gen3 17c. Can I still upgrade with gen3 triggers? It looks like the third roll pin isn’t a deal breaker but would like to hear y’all’s thoughts
Yes, you can. The 3rd pin was for the locking block. The trigger pin locations are the same between 1-4. Only difference on the Gen4 is the vertical extension has a dimple but you can use a Gen1-3 in it, as many do.
Have you tried using a stronger springs?
Stronger striker? No, that would be counter to the "functions with OEM" claim.
I’ve had the same issues and was able to get the light strike ratio down from 1:2 to 1:5 with polishing. It’s still not acceptable though. I’ve had four attempted emails with their customer service and have only gotten one reply. It’s frustrating and a damn shame.
Yes, that is quite unfortunate. Glad to see that you're speaking out as well.
@@bunnyoperator I really wanted it to work. I've installed and used a few earlier versions and they have been ok. I wish the triggers that have gone out in the past 6 months have been as good (but haven't).
@@Khoimike Agreed. I suspect it's a manufacturing and QC process issue.
I luv your builds, do you think geissele hf barrels are worth the money. I don't have alot of money but I am about to assemble an upper and I am bout to buy a barrel
Shop around. Quality CHF chrome lined barrels are what I recommend for longevity unless you're doing a specific type of precision based build. I use primarily Centurion Arms barrels.
@@bunnyoperator I was thinking about centurion. I am either gon a do geissele or centurion, I have a range on my property so I shoot alot so definitely longevity
@@jwbennett4009 You can't go wrong with either, so pick the one with the features you want and I guess that's on sale. LOL. One of the pros to the Centurion barrels is you can add their tabbed gas block and they'll install and pin for you. One less step you need to worry about.
@@bunnyoperator thanks for getting back to me
Gen 5 G17 Timney working ok 200rds. Dropped from 5.5 to 3.5 pull ,short reset i needed to get used to that . I would Love to know what that little screw and spacer actually do? Can anyone tell me?
C Clip and screw attach attaches to the drop in sear housing and sandwiches the oem trigger housing with the C Clip. The instructions should've noted that.
Good that yours is working so far. Does your trigger bar have a bump at the vertical extension/fin?
I have not run the trigger kit but running the enhanced feel trigger shoe in my g19 g5. Ran 500 rounds with it and so far, so good.
The shoe has been so far so good. Mine needed a little pretravel adjustment but it's been running fine so far.
Think you had bad luck.
My setup
P80
17 slide
Threaded barrel
Ghost connector
Timney trigger (of course)
Only light strikes I have ever got was when using rifle primers on 9mm. Fixed that with a longer firing pin and now I can use magnum primers and rifle primers in 9mm.
Myself and many others had that same bad luck. Comment section is filled with them as well as positive reports, so it's clear that it's not a fluke but a problem at the Timney end. They even released a firing pin and connector kit for 80 bucks more that only works with the Alpha. Go figure, they knew they had a problem.
Yours isn't exactly OEM either, and we've found that aftermarket parts tend to have better success rates with the kit.
Had the same issue. "Fixed" it by shooting a countless amount of rounds through the gun and letting the mechanical action and "natural" wear of the parts do their work. But i agree this was extremely annoying. My light strikes indicated that the slide was out of battery due to their offcenter nature.
Thank you for the data point. Ours didn't appear to be a friction issue but a timing issue.
Yeah that's prob why they won't send me a new trigger bar which is fine I ran another 100 rds through it yesterday with about half of them being fast shooting and it's been perfecto...only thing I need is a trigger housing with post travel screw and I would trust it to carry
That's frustrating to hear. I don't like Glocks but use Timney Triggers in my AR's and love them. They should definitely take care of anyone who bought one for their Glocks and make sure their customers are happy.
Their CS was good but product execution just wasn't there. Another viewer pointed out that Timney has recently released a striker and connector kit for $80. It might solve the issues but now the whole kit is near $250 bucks for a gamble. Hard pass.
What trigger housing are you using ?? P80 or OEM Glock ???
OEM gen 3
I have a Glock 43x mos, I was thinking of purchasing the Timmey Alpha Glock Gen 5. Has the issues with the malfunctions been addressed as of this time. Would anyone recommend me buying this product. Thank you for anyone willing to share their thoughts and advice.
It does not appear that they have ironed out the issues nor have they publicly addressed the various folks with problems. You may or may not have issues but you really should not get it for anything other than dedicated range use.
Thx for this info. The one I purchased would fire on the reset. They need to pull these.
Oh snaps. It went binary on you?
Well I haven't gotten the sluggish reset worked out. I may have a light trigger strike waiting to greet me when I get to the range but I ain't made it that far yet. I've tried both springs in the kit to no avail and then ordered the Johnny Glocks return spring and while it was better it still didn't fix the problem. This trigger is sluggish to reset and its an intermittent problem. Sometimes it works just fine and sometimes it doesn't. One thing I know for sure, I refuse to put anymore money into this. I'm gonna go back to my Agency trigger I've had enough.
I appreciate the update. Thank you for sharing with everyone.
That sux both ways because I was looking to buy 1 of those 2 trigger kits.
I'll just stick with my Polished G19X trigger assembly w/ a PSA Dagger SW4 GatorMouth cut Slide.
The trigger actually feels better with a more positive reset now that I have a Gen 3 upper on my Gen 5 G19X frame 🤟
Probably for the best unless you just like to experiement.
please keep us updated on how you fix this!!
When I get enough time behind the Enhanced Feel Shoes then I'll do a follow-up.
thanks x that buy off my list ..
Probably for the better. I get reports from people weekly about their failures even with recently acquired Alphas directly from Timney.
So I've been going through these issues on my own for a while. I've noticed they are very picky about the connector, they don't like being dirty, they like the red spring best, and frame to slide fit is important. I've discovered something this weekend, look at your firing pin/ striker. I noticed my safety ledge was damaged, I replaced my striker and it stopped working! I tried to dry fire it a few times and it would only break on the second try if at all. Replaced the old striker and it worked fine. When I looked at the new striker that hadn't been fired it was already getting the same wear. I bet your lite strikes are firing pin drag. Strangely enough I haven't had light strikes until today when I put a 4 pounds striker spring in it when I put the old striker back in it.
What a coincidence... Timney released a Firing Pin & Connector kit for 80 bucks specifically for use in the Alpha kit. Now the total kit is nearly 250 bucks for something that may or may not work with your Glock.
I checked my striker and the safety ledge is damaged. :/
@@P00RKN00W that's no good. 😕
I am from Brazil and i have issues with timney Trigger in the RESET, i have been frustated also, lost the drill, i was competion and a have an incident of shooting, trigger just got stucked. I polish every part, and i have an other problem, my TIKNEY KIT came with 2 SILVERs spring, the the one did came. Buy my perception is the angle of the bar from trigger the part that contact with the connector.
The connector angle does seem to affect some cases or a combination of parts. It doesn't sound like you have the latest version. Idk how difficult it would be for you to get service in your area but I hope that you can get a replacement to the latest generation if you want to keep trying with this platform.
@@bunnyoperator I use glock gen 5, i dont even now the tinney had versions but i just fixed the issue, i scratch the bar from trigger, the part the enter in touch with the connector, so i use a 400 grain stone to remove some material and then polish in Dremmel, it just F. work, no reset issues any more. So a just remove some material from the bar of trigger not the connector, i use some thing about 15/20%angle to scratch. The reset is strong now, is flowing, not stuck any more, seems to be smooth.
Thanks for the video. I'm getting rid of my Timney Trigger. Can't get the thing to work right. Sent two emails to Timney for assistance and they've ignored both. Regret that I bought this thing.
That seems to be a reoccurring theme for Timney. Some people get a response and some are seemingly ignored. Try to get a refund from where ever you ordered from as an alternative.
Wow I was considering the Timney. Have you tried the Apex trigger ?
Yes, I don't like their shoe personally and I have other gripes with them but don't have footage to back it. Pre-social media days.
The Apex trigger is nice but I'm not a fan of the shoe either. There's also a lot more travel in the safety on the trigger shoe that I'm not a fan of either.
@@bunnyoperator Thanks i’m considering also the the pyramid trigger from the clock store but have not seen any good reviews on it yet.
@@4baggin Sooooo, if you look at who owns GS and the products they make under their brand you can already surmise the type of company they are.
Ordered one of these from Optics Planet. Hopefully ive researched enough to get this running like my timney rifles triggers
It's a totally different design concept than the cassette triggers for long guns. Regardless, best of luck and do report back.
I grinded the markings on the trigger bar and changed the plunger to Apex ultimate on my G17 gen 3. I shot 150 rounds with out a single light strike. I did not even use the 6 pound spring for the striker.
Nice. Looks like you've found your formula. Keep us posted on long term use. Your Alpha has a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator no I bought mine back in June 2021. I will update you if it develop light strike but hopefully not. It's weird that it works on others and not across the board.
@@Anthony74te27 Definitely appreciate the info. Yea, definitely unusual. From measuring the few I've had and others measuring theirs the bars appear to be dimensionally all over the place. It does seem that an aftermarket plunger that is longer than OEM seems to help. That suggests that the Alpha's bar affects timing negatively until adjusted.
@@bunnyoperator I think you are absolutely right, Timney's quality control is all over the place. I'm just glad that after 150 rounds not a single light strike.
Today I shot 200 rounds of 115 Fiocchi & 50 rounds of 115 grain Winchester Service duty FMJ on my G17 and I had 1 light strike. I wiped the black dirt on the plunger and squirt a little oil on top of the trigger bar and it seems to stop it. Not 100% but waaaay better than before.
Wish i saw your video before i bought it. I'm having same problems!
That sucks. Which Glock gen do you have and does your trigger bar have a bump on the shark fin?
@@bunnyoperator 19Gen4, no the trigger bar is flat. Very disappointed on buying it!
@@ferdivisser1983 There's a Gen 2 bar out now but Timney hasn't made it public knowledge at all. They're handling this worse than the Sig P320 voluntary upgrade. 😂
Glock 34 Gen 5. This pistol shoots flawlessly in stock form. The alpha will not shoot at all with a loaded mag. It will work every time when fed single shot without the mag installed. I think the loaded mag is able to lift the slide enough to not let the striker block disengage. The trigger bar is late lifting up the block or is not lifting high enough. The loaded mag has a lot of upward push on the slide. Talked to Timeny and they have a new trigger bar to fix this problem as of 09/15/2022
Interesting. They stated that they have a new trigger bar design?
@@bunnyoperator The new trigger bar has a "dimple" stamped on it, I will have the new one tomorrow.
@@careycustomrifle If you've got IG or FB, could you send photos to me? Thanks
@@bunnyoperator OK, FB
Yeah I have one on my glock19x and I got several light primer strikes and a few times it lagged with the trigger reset. I'm putting the stock trigger back in
Did your trigger bar have the dimple on it by chance?
@@bunnyoperator none that I could see
@@zechtech6203 OK there is a gen 3 (technically), so you could try to request a replacement bar from Timney CS if you want to keep trying it. There's also a striker/connector kit for 80 bucks more but that just makes the whole thing way too expensive. 😂
@@bunnyoperator yeah I'm not gonna fuss with it anymore. Just gonna sell it and let it be someone else's problem lol
@@zechtech6203 🤣
My glock 19x with alpha trigger went off without me pressing the trigger today at a match. Happened during a reload when I slammed a new magazine in with a round in the chamber.
Woah. Yours might be the first example reported directly to me. Was your 19X OEM otherwise? Do you know which Gen Alpha it was as in if it had a dimple at the vertical extension?
@@bunnyoperator all sock internals other than the trigger. I am running a Grey ghost slide other than that the whole gun is stock. Not sure what generation the trigger is. I don't think it has a dimple. I'll check later. I ripped it out yesterday and put the factory one back in. Ordered a glock performance trigger today.
@@Schultz344 I appreciate the info. It'll help others experiencing similar issues.
i had a dimpled gen 3 trigger and i had light primer strikes, failure to feed tip up, failure to go into battery on all stock internals . i just dremeled a relief cut , polished all friction parts, and bent my connecter hoping to fix the issue. will try it out and update on it .
Thanks for sharing. Sucks that the revised alpha with dimple didn't seem to fix the issues. Do report back with the outcome. Thanks for sharing your experience.
@@bunnyoperator update I installed wolf safety plunger , 6# striker spring, 18# guide rod , wolf 3.5 disconnecter . This alone should fix failure to make it to battery and light primer strikes . Plunger is shaped different then stick plunger as-well more smooth. Waiting for range test
@@turtlemilitia I hope it works for you, buddy. Sucks that the user level has to go through all of this to get the product working. It wouldn't be so much of a problem if Timney disclosed this but they marketed as a drop-in system.
@@bunnyoperator i attempted to contact them through their website and they haven’t responded. Then I emailed them 2 days ago and no response but hopefully In 7 days they do
Update : took it to the range only shot like 4 mags through it but all my problems where fixed so far.
Upon asking for a new trigger bar they responded with :
“I am unable to repalce just the trigger bar, unfortunately. I will need you to send the entire kit to us and I will have a technician repair or repalce that for you. Please confirm you wish to proceed in this way. Warranty service is generally a week or less turnaround time.”
I installed the Timney Alpha Pro trigger in my G17, Gen3. I would get one light primer strike per 400rds. and the unit totally failed at 5500+ rds with continual light primer strikes. I will get a new assy. from Timney per their lifetime warranty, after I send them (at my expense) my broken one, but I ordered a ZEV Tech trigger assy. and will try that next. IMO, the stock Glock trigger makes the gun feel pedestrian and not fun to shoot, especially compared to my 1911 trigger.
Thanks for the data. That's unfortunate. The Alpha definitely requires tuning to get it to function properly. Timney just isn't open about that in the product description. Super misleading.