How To Install a Lunchbox Locker
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- čas přidán 25. 09. 2018
- In this video Tim will show you how to install a lunchbox locker, specifically a Torq brand lunchbox locker! Other brands may be the same or similar installation.
Torq Locker info:
TORQ Locker is 100 percent Made in the USA with 100 percent USA raw materials.
Torq-Masters Industries offers an unprecedented 4 year warranty on the TORQ Locker with no tire size, horsepower limits or loopholes, double the warranty of any other automatic locker on the market.
A spacer cup is used in all other lunchbox locker designs, Torq-Masters eliminated it. The spacer keeps the cam gear and axle gear on axis, but it can break if an axle shaft breaks, also, the spacer is the root of the occasional "bang" this style of locker is known for. The Torq Locker won't do that.
Easiest install of any locker out there. No spacers to fiddle with, no pins to insert. Just drop it in, 2 small simple springs to insert, 1 tolerance measurement to check and you are done!
We literally drove this locker straight out of the shop and to the Rubicon and wheeled the entire trail. It performed awesome! A simple, stout, high quality American made locker... And the price might surprise you. Check out the website!
www.torqmasters.com
They have other cool stuff too!
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I have a lunchbox locker in a Comanche and it is sketchy as can be in snow. If one tire locks under braking while in two wheel drive it try’s to lock the locker. Lol. The whole truck jumps and bucks. Just keep that in mind if your driving in snow on a partially cleared road. Great Video man.
I've run the TORQ Locker from TorqMasters for the past 2- almost 3 years in the D30 in my '11 JK . It is , handsdown , the single best,most noticeable difference and useful off-road mod I have added to a heavily modified , trail only Jeep. Cora & Eric being so awesome to be customers of only ramps their USA made products better. I installed in garage myself in about 3 hrs , taking my time. It is silent on asphalt and does not clack at all when turning full lock in 4wd, but I also run RCVs and cry'oed Yukon RPs. There's a full review of mine & other customers at the TorqueMasters web site.
An amazing company and an amazing solution for a front locker. I have tortured it quite hard & it keeps the 37s digging and pulling ...⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I agree looks like a way better product and worth the money
The lunchbox locker was the best upgrade I've done to my zj. For the money, you cant beat the benefits. Great video. Thanks
Nice job, Tim. Hope you had a good time. Thanks for sharing. No more trail flats!
Need more videos from Tim!!! Project green machine is by far my favorite Jeep on this channel. Clean and simple 👌🏼. Well executed Tim.
Thanks! It's a great Jeep.
More videos of project green machine!!! I love this Jeep. Going to make mine look like it just a 4door.
I am about to install a Lokka in a C8.25 in my plow jeep. been looking for install vids and there really arent many. Thanks for putting this up.
I installed one of the Torque Lockers in the front of my TJ. Im very impressed. It locks hard. But it is very quiet on the street and the road manners are really good. I had an Aussie lovker in the front of an XJ it was noisy and road manners were not good at all. Torque locker has knocked it out of the park.
Glad to hear it!
This is good to know but now I still have to find a way to lock my lunch box because somebody keeps stealing my sandwiches at work.
Make 2 lunches put blue food coloring in your sandwich in the set up lunch. Nobody will steal your lunch again after the sandwich thief eats that sandwich.
I hear that some people just weld the whole thing instead of a Lock? Do you have a welder?
Good video, very clear, thought out. That Cherokee was really getting it on the Rubicon!
Torq lockers are the awesome upgrade of the aussie locker, and I use them in all my vehicles and they have been awesome front and rear !!
Just wondering if u do alot of street driving with a lunchbox in the front. Im thinking about installing one on the fron of my tj but worried about highway driving.
Great install video, easy to follow steps and nice camera work. A lunchbox locker is a great option for the right application.
Right application is the key, you need to understand how they work in day to day before committing the install.
Replace the roll pin with a new one. I’ve seen used ones back out allowing the diff to eat itself alive.
I just installed a torq locker in my jeep tj Dana 30 and it performed flawlessly while running some trails at Rausch creek! Of all the lunch box locker designs these torq lockers are the best!
Was planning to do the same on my YJ but am concerned, how does it handle on the street?
I've got the same question as Justin. How does it perform when the front axle isn't engaged on the street?
I have no issues in the front at all on street. I don't have any clicking at all during turns either. This is my second type of lunchbox locker I have used and this one far exceeds the old one.
Great review, thank you!!
Just wanted to say great video and love what your doing and love the Jeep keep it up!! Loyal fan!!
Literally needed this video 1 week ago. I just installed my aussie locker saturday
the green machine is the motivation for my xj... almost there!
Right on! My Aussie pulled me through most of the Rubicon, seldom had my rear locked!
I have one of these in my Dana 35 and it is one of the best things I have done. I didn't want to invest a lot of money in a Dana 35 but I also didn't have the money to do an axel swap so for the $270 that the Aussie cost I did that for now. It has been absolutely amazing. Not one regret installing it. I daily drive my jeep and have not had any issues with the locker, even with it in the rear. A lot of people told me that I would eat tires because I put it in the rear but that hasn't been my experience. The only thing I have seen difference is the normal clicking of the locker and increased traction. I would tell anyone this is a great bang for the buck project.
How bad would you say the clicking is? I daily me Jeep too and don't want it to annoy me
Neil turn your radio up
Thick gear oil 75-140 conventional and a thick diff cover will take away most of the clicking. We can hardly hear clicking in our LJ when driving on the street, we have TORQ Lockers front and rear.
@@neil7179 my Aussie sounds like a card in the spokes of a bike. I actually like the sound.
Thanks for this video. Well made. The wheeling was a nice bonus to see it in action. Question: did u also have a locker in the rear, or just the front? If only one locker, is it better to have in front, instead of rear?
Just the video I was waiting for
I may consider one of these! thanks for the great videos
Great video guys!!!
Awesome! Thanks Tim.
Great video. Thanks Tim! Cool you got a chance to run the Rubicon. As I posted on Nate's video, you guys on 33's can do Fordyce Trail... But, you will be stacking rocks, pulling cable and will have to do some of the by-passes. Depending on the time of year, the river crossings may be interesting as well. Good to see others using Lube-Locker. RTV on the diff cover is for sucka's! :-D
Will there be a Video from the hydro-assist install? Thx
I wanna know how they do in the rear of a manual yj in a winter climate.
Great video
Man I love the Green Machine!
I was on thought of getting one if these lockers on my 94 suburban. I daily drive it and in northeast Pennsylvania winters. My 4 wheel is more like 1 wheel wonder. Lol i miss my full time 4wd in my 95 zj and 99 wj v8's unfortunately living in the rust belt got the best if them, great video, looking forward to more bleeping jeep..
Tim what cb antenna you have on the xj?
Wilson 1000. Had it for many years but it wasn't on the Jeep for a long while. Works good! Walcott CB online is where I got all my CB stuff from 10 years ago. Good people.
Do you have video of the install for hydro assist steering?
Well done.
I have a 2000 XJ 3.5 lift with 33' tires should I put a front locker on my everyday driver? I'm in the process in install a rear locker I like to run my jeep in the desert what are your thoughts. I'm new to the XJ group. I enjoy watching your videos and have learned a lot.
Why front and not rear? Thanks for the video. I'm in the process of installing it on my rear.
Very nice! How does it handle on the road or is your Jeep strictly off road?
I drive it almost daily. With my Dana 44 swap I inherently received manual locking hubs too so in my case my front axle components are completely motionless while driving and hubs set to FREE. Lots of people have these in regular XJ or other non disconnect axles and daily drive them without issue!
Can you do a video on your hydro assist and where you sourced your parts?
Yep!
Hey Tim, good to see another video from you. Question about thine locker, how are the on road manners of this locker? Their website says it has the best of all lunchbox lockers, but I'd like to hear from someone whose actually running it.
A front locker has no affect on road manners, because you are in 2WD typically. A rear TORQ Locker is where you see the great road manners, and here's why:
the TORQ Locker eliminated the "spacer" which is found in all other lunchbox lockers. The spacer can sometimes slide down the axle shaft and bind on the cross pin. When it releases, you get a loud "pop" or "bang" that some people complain about on the forums. Without the spacer, no 'bang." Typically these complaints are for rear lockers. A rear locker will click when you coast through turns. If you hit the gas hard in a turn, you can get the 2 rear tires to chirp.
Because I have manual locking hubs now I'll almost never run this on the street in 2wd simply because I don't need to. That being said, while messing around with it, driving with hubs locked in 2wd in a parking lot it's honestly barely audible while turning (using 75 140 gear oil) and there are zero handling characteristic changes. I haven't tried locking the tires up on pavement while turning or anything, lol. But under normal driving circumstances you shouldn't really notice it at all IMO. Great upgrade to my Jeep.
What's your advice on spartan lockers on daily driver and off road. Thank you. Tell Mat hi 👋 too
Are these only for a straight axle or do they work on independent also
How do you install this on a C clip axle that the cross pin doesn't clear the ring gear?
Any reason not to run this style of locker (spartan) in my rear axle? 8.25 / 29 spline.
Is it worth putting on a stock Dana 30? I have a 99 XJ
I have had mine for a while and it stopped making noise when I make a sharp turn in 2 wheel drive. How can I check it to see if it still works. It is without a doubt the best improvement in 4 wheeling. Thanks
Like the other dudes are saying. I drive a 79 f150 4x4 as my daily (just a little 6 banger). The dana44 in front or the 9in in rear are wanting some sort of locker for canyon/desert crawl'n. Here in Idaho, we do drive in snow. Not freeway speeds... but normal streets. Would like to see how it does 'just driving around'. maybe mimic it in light dirt/mud or something. Looks cheap and easy. I like it.
I live in southern Oregon. We get winter driving conditions too! Stay tuned for a winter driving follow up vid on this locker. I depend on my Jeep for my primary transportation in the winter so I need it to drive reasonably as well.
Kewl. Owyhee's style.
Great video. Can this be used in the rear axle? And can I use it in my daily driver?
Yes and yes!
BleepinJeep that's awesome. A few of my Jeep friends are telling me to get at least a rear locker. Thanks for the reply
Hi,how can I check to see if my newly purchased yj has something like this. It was lifted and came with 35s, after some research I found out it was re geared by the previous owner. Thanks in advance to anyone that can point me in the right direction
Dose it lock the front tires like a spool or mini spool I’d assume not because it looks like you can steer it easily
Would you recommend it for a daily? I’m not really sure about it, I’m running 35s with dana 30
How’s the drivability on the freeway with this locker?
I got a 2000 xj. Would these be good front and rear for a daily driver and moderate trail use? Not a jeep guy yet so I have many questions and don't wanna waste money
Had one in front of my tj not good idea for hwy use had sudden stop almost crashed locked everything up other then that great locker
Why front and not rear?
Had a lunch box locker or this specific Torq Locker he reviewed in this video?
I really need some help. I want to get either a lunchbox or LSD (like a trutrac). I cannot decide which or where (front or back or both). I need it mostly for the snow/ice because right now it does not move being open diff. Has anyone had experience with a front-only lunchbox in the snow/ice?
Will def have a lunchbox in my front dif on my zj
How do you engage the locker?
Is there problems with it pulling you while on payment?
Hola muy buenas eso que le poneis en el grupo trasero, delantero o en los dos yo poniendo solo a tras que tal coge las curbas y rotondas y asi y poniendo alante me imagino q no podra ni girar casi en asfalto seco no? Saludos desde españa
So you're rounding a Dana 44 front. Axle. What did it come off an old f 250 straight front axle?? How did it install in that CJ??
Hello from Morristown TN
So you locked the front and have rear open?
Great video! I really makes the installation look doable. Let us know how that locker behaves on the street in rain and snow though... Its the only reason I haven't installed a lunchbox in the front or rear of my TJ. I daily it.
I want to do the same to my ZJ but I daily it.
I would love to know how it's street manners are in the dry as well as the wet.
@@vgullotta When my jeep was my daily I had a lunchbox in the front and it worked great. It doesn't engage in 2wd so on the street it's great. I live where it snows but never have I had to use 4wd. If you use 4wd in snow, only use it in deep snow, don't want to get understeer at higher speed
@@cranjismcbasketball343 How noisy were they on just out of curiosity
I have front and rear Spartan lockers in mine and it does great on the street, no issues at all.
You guys were on the Rubicon? Too bad I didnt see you there
I have a 2 door XJ, where did you purchase those sliders from?
I made them. 1.75" .120 DOM.
This Jeep makes me want to build a Cherokee. Nice build.
What’s the quietest best locker ??
first video ive seen from you guys and its great to see someone who wheels there xj with care normally xj driver beat the snot out of them and thats why there dying out which is sad to see. Anyway great video
Can suport tires 35" un Chrysler 8.25"?
Thinking of getting one I've seen other brands of this type locker are noisy how did yours do ?
the TORQ Locker eliminated the "spacer" which is found in all other lunchbox lockers. The spacer can sometimes slide down the axle shaft and bind on the cross pin. When it releases, you get a loud "pop" or "bang" that some people complain about on the forums. Without the spacer, no 'bang." Typically these complaints are for rear lockers. A front locker in 2WD is practically invisible, you door hear it, you don't feel it, it does not change driveability. A rear locker will click when you coast through turns. If you hit the gas hard in a turn, you can get the 2 rear tires to chirp.
Barely audible.
The description though😂😂😂
Does it make a huge difference?
Did you install two diff locks ?
I mean front and back
Big respect ✊
Okay so what's the difference in handling between open diff and lunchbox locker on pavement? My XJ is a daily driver but wanting a locker for when I do go wheeling. Obviously an Air Locker would be the way to go, open diff when needed and fully locked when needed. Just don't want to pay $1,000/axle.
On pavement no handling difference in 2WD if you add one to the front. If you add one to the rear it shouldn't be noticed on pavement either unless you gun it around a corner... In which case it'll likely lock up and you'll spin both tires... Under normal driving conditions they'll basically be undetectable expect you might hear a low clicking noise while turning at slow speeds but if you use thicker gear oil you may not even hear that! I'm surprised how quite mine is.
@@bleepinjeep definitely enticed my empty wallet 😂 looking to give this a try. Worse case scenario I upgrade to D44 front/rear!
There are pro's and con's to mechanical lockers vs. selectable lockers.
Mechanical lockers are reliable, sturdy, and have few parts to fail. They allow for wheel speed differentiation (so you can turn), even while applying torque to both wheels. Mechanical lockers can click, which some people find annoying, but for $1,000 less than a selectable (plus install), it's an easy decision for many to choose mechanical.
Selectable lockers usually require professional installation, they have smaller parts, and air lines or cables that can fail. In the On position, a front selectable locker is very hard to steer. We've seen people get into trouble, and even a few roll overs, when the driver forgot to turn on his lockers before an obstacle. A mechanical locker is set it and forget it, it's always there for you.
Torq-Masters Industries which oil used in TL-13027
Rear lockers too because I saw one rear wheel spin turn at the end of the video and one laming out.
Thinking bout doing this on my JKU, the reality is, I have to drive a thousand miles on pavement before I can get to a hundred miles of rock trails Is this AKA a Detroit locker? If installed on the front axel only, while in two wheel on the road do you still get the clicks on turns on the pavement?
You will unless you have manual locking hubs like I do. Honestly with the thick gear oil that was recommended to add in the instructions specifically if the clicking was of concern.... I can't really hear it from inside the Jeep with my hubs locked on pavement and in 2wd. I don't think you'll notice it much but it does click.
Iv had a Detroit locker in the front axle of my tj, i never even know its in there driving on pavement.
A Detroit Locker is a Mechanical Locker, but operates on a different mechanical principal. A Detroit replaces the entire carrier and requires a Ring and Pinion setup - which most people choose to hire a professional to do. A Lunchbox locker just replaces the spider gears in the carrier and can be installed by the average person. We like to say, if you can change the brakes on a car, you can install a Lunchbox locker.
My ranger came oem with a limited slip rear end but I want more than that now. Would this locker be acceptable as the main locker??? I cannot afford an arb air setup. (my plan is to create an overland camping truck. no Utah, Cali, or Colorado rocks here) (Also my daily truck but only gravel roads, about 20 miles a day)
It's likely a perfect candidate! Checkout their website to make sure they have one for your axle.
Aussie Lockers and TORQ Lockers can not be installed in a Limited Slip carrier, only an Open carrier. You may be able to install one in your front axle depending on which axle you have.
Torq-Masters Industries What is the reason for this?
The LSD carriers are weaker than open carriers typically, so we design for Open carriers.
How is it holding up?
I have the aussie locker in my D44 (that’s all they had at the time) and it’s held up great with my 38.5” Boggers.
That tire size would void other Lunchbox locker brands, but not Aussie or TORQ ;)
On highway and parkins spin free???? Plssss i'm looking for a Spartan locker rear and front
What lift kit is this?
What front axle is that
Is it only noisy when engaged?
Typically you are going so slow while in 4WD that the locker won't ratchet much, you would only hear it when it's ratcheting. I rarely hear our front or rear TORQ Locker while trail riding in 4WD.
Are the lunch box lockers noisy
That rubicon is no joke
I love the green machine! Needs some slightly bigger tires 😉😉😉
These lockers are not equal as a weleded diff?
This locker will allow you to turn smoothly but still provides traction to both tires in the axle it's installed in. A welded diff will provide traction to both tires all the time but won't allow for tire speed differential in a turn.
Stupid question im sure but does the locker still work in reverse
Yep! All lockers do.
Yes it does.
so does the lunch box locker somewhat work like a LSD ?
Not really. Lots of animation vids of their operation on CZcams. Basically they're locked all the time unless you're turning with no pressure on it such as if you are costing around a turn, in which case it will "ratchet" allowing the wheel speeds to differentiate.
Another difference - With a LSD, if you lift a tire, all the torque goes to the tire in the air. With the TORQ Locker, torque is sent to both tires, which is a huge help on the trails.
Is it a daily driver or more of a trail rig
I have a car I drive most of the time (35 mpg avg. Is hard to turn down) but the Jeep is used weekly at least and is completely freeway/road worthy.
@@bleepinjeep its all about saving for the next upgrade.Thanks for the reply.
So is it better to have one in the front or back axle? Just curious...
Personal preference... Both is best, lol. I will lock the rear eventually. It did pretty dang good with just a front locker on the Rubicon.
That question has opened many cans of worms over the years lol. My personal preference is lock the rear and limited slip in front, itll let loose when you're bound up and it's much easier to steer without extra hydraulic aid than fully locked.
I always recommend locking the rear first that way you get the extra traction on the street, unless you have a Dana 35 rear, don't waste money on a Dana 35.
@@Lray4x4 I've got a Chrysler 8.25, been told its damn near as tough as a dana 44
@@kristophermathis8584 That's a good axle, I am going to run 35s with a locker in mine.
I wonder if the small springs won’t come out. looks to fragile.
Looks very similar to the Aussie locker installed years ago.
Both owned by Torq-Masters Ind.
It is! Both TORQ Locker and Aussie Locker are made in the USA by Torq-Masters Industries
I love the build but am confused as to why you are still only running 33s. Ford 9in rear, Dana 44hp front with hydro steer you're safe to run 37s or bigger if you're careful. Stock dana 30 can handle 35s all day long as long as you don't bounce on the rocks.
My Jeep is just right for where I live in southern Oregon. We don't have much gnarly wheelin where I need larger tires and the Jeep is highly steetable with the 33's. If I change my mind later on I have the axles to better build upon already in the Jeep! - Tim
@@bleepinjeep right on, thanks for the reply. I live Vancouver WA, not too far from you. Daily driving xj on 35s for 4 plus years haha
Heck yesss. 33 K02s for the Owyheeeeeees
This one has springs only. The aussie has pins and springs.
Why didnt you lock the rear first Tim?
Haven't decided what locker to go with for the rear. It'll get locked eventually!
BleepinJeep use ox Tim i think its more reliable. So how much was the torq locker are they less expensive than spartan
delinquentdesign TORQ Locker is more expensive than Spartan. TORQ is made in the USA, had a 4 year warranty with no tire size restrictions, and is a considerably stronger design. The Spartan is made in China, has a 1 year warranty with tire size restrictions, like you can't run larger than a 33" tire on a Dana 30.
Out of the numerous lunchbox lockers on the market I felt like the Torq Locker was a superior design and also made in the USA. That matters to me their price is reasonable for what you get! Checkout their website.
@@bleepinjeep If you go with a lunchbox locker in the rear. Get the Powertrax no slip. I have it in the back of my k2500. It doesn't click or bang. It feels like an open diff on the road. Unless you are hard on the gas
Great video. Lunchbox lockers are great, but I would never put one in the front of a vehicle that will be daily driven in rain or snow. I think they are primarily offroad use only. To dangerous to drive at highway speed in foul weather.
I'll find out!
When you are in 2wd they are no different than an open diff.
I've had aussies in the front and rear of my XJ for the past 5 years, and I'll be putting TORQ lockers in my one tons, driven in rain plenty of times, and even in some harsh NY winters. As long as you don't drive like a dipshit, they are easily manageable and you can quickly adjust to how they act and predict what the vehicle's going to do better.
Lunchbox lockers are designed for both on-road and off-road use. Many of our customers install our lockers in their daily drivers. For snow and Icy conditions we say use common sense and don't drive recklessly.
at 5:49 did you mean 0.14-0.175 instead of 1.4-1.75? lol that is a big gap
Yep. I misspoke. It's clearly written in the instructions. I just butchered it. Nice catch!
BleepinJeep We all make mistakes but I know what you meant!
Good video but when making a how to video I would remind viewers to Mark the ringgear before removing it.
Would you have to recheck/set the pinion & ring gear engagement? (assuming you use the same shims of course?)
Good tip Robert - I totally agree.
Billy T No you do not, that's the beauty of the TORQ Locker. As long as the ring gear goes back on in the same position, you do not have to re-set backlash. An index mark on the ring gear to carrier is an easy way to make sure the ring gear goes back on in the same place.
Nope. Just mark the ring gear there it mounts up to the carrier. I did this before unbolting it but neglected to mention that in the video. The locker came with great instructions that mention and show you how to do this.
That design is so much simpler than the aussie's I ran several years ago. What fender flares are installed on your XJ?
Thanks for noticing! We eliminated the "spacer" and the 4 pins. The TORQ Locker is a much simpler and stronger design.
Torq-Masters Industries You guys do make a great product. Customer service is great too. I broke a spring on a reinstall and had new pins and springs a couple of days later. I'm seriously considering this new locker for my current build. A little more pricey but that's to be expected on a new, stronger product.
bosco1985 What axle are you thinking about installing the TORQ Locker in? TORQ has a limited offering to our most popular differentials. It does cost more, there is way more material used to create the key-way, and more time on the machine to mill the extra material away. It would be cheaper to use pins, but this is the strongest design, and IF we can build a better, stronger product, we will. Aussie is still tried and true, it's been around for 15 years and is just fine for most off-roaders.
Torq-Masters Industries I would be putting it in my Chrysler 8.25, 97 XJ.
why front and not rear?
00:57 Aussie locker made in the USA? :D
doggo!