Grind Tier List + Front Overcrook Disussion
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- čas přidán 20. 09. 2021
- I have some regret about my treatment of the backside crook,
should have been higher, my fault.
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Nyjah getting 10 years in the dungeon for more than just his FS 5-0’s ya feel me 😏😏🤫🤫🔥
VIRGIN Nyjah Huston V.S. CHAD Greg Lutzka
Nyjah:cries at contests
Greg Lutzka:NEVER EVEN COMPETES
Nyjah:does "new" and "technical" tricks on famous obstacles
Greg Lutzka:does the same 5 tricks everywhere he goes for 20 years like a BOSS
Nyjah:massive incel energy from typical mainstream NORMIES sponsors
Greg Lutzka:will humbly wear any brand for life for a $20.00 royalty check and some stickers
Nyjah: best frenz with Justin Bieber
Greg Lutzka: bff's with LIL JON
“It puts the lotion on the skin”
Fs 5-0 is a cool ass trick why is everyone hating on it?
@@Marco-nb6sj when you heel drag on objectively mid sized shit like the JAH does its gross. If you actually hold it like a manual then yeah its nuts but 90 percent of em done aren't that
@@coreygolphenee9633 u can say the same thing about backside 5-0s
I can honestly say I disagree with almost everything in this video. But that’s what makes skating great
Bennet grinds are cool
100 percent, for me personally FS 5050 is S tier
and that's why you will always be below the dungeon.
@@George-um2vc lmao
Good to hear Rad Rat getting the props he deserves, guy puts in a ton of work and has great insight
fr fr
rad rat rules
I haven't watching that dude since he said Stevie Williams was one of the least tech skaters
He's great
He used to do some good vids, but needs to lay off the soy.
So glad you called out the FS overcrook thing. It is 100% a dif trick than a nosegrind and I have maintained this stance my whole life and will defend it til the day I die.
100%
Thank you!!! Idk if it was because i was skating throughout the 2000's-2010's that it just engrained into me that FS overcrook WAS a grind! Overcrooks were so awesome to me growing up. I loved the board control of tweaking out ur grind either FS or BS. Both are beyond awesome and I'm so glad to hear people talk about this like this. I couldn't believe when i first heard people talk about overcrooks not being a real grind? Wtf? Never understood it...
I was sent here by someone who shall remain nameless. For now we’ll just refer to him as Beve Sterra.
Hahahahaha
😂😂
Fucking hell hahahahaha
As someone who does fs Willy grinds I only watched all the way through to see where you placed it. I was not disappointed one bit. Praise the fs Willy
@Harry HardC you’re In for a surprise
I do fs willy nollie 180 out
@@stoneybaloney4673 That's worthy of a death sentence
Can we get a Jeff Dechesare part review? That would be popcorn worthy. Anyways, good shit as always.
^^
He turned pro today
Too easy
that dude is the techy version of Jaws. It would be nice to hear his thoughts on his amazing triple kick-down flips
@@barniskatems77 nothing amazing about those triple flips buddy
front smith is a nice reliable not overdone trick when it comes to handrails imo
The Jamie Thomas Smith Grind will never be forgotten!!!
Like em but feels like literally every skater can do them down any hand rail they want, so imo they feel kind of redundant sometimes
@@bigbrenis4582 what’s preferable for a back truck grind? Back smith? Feebles? Hurricane? Hmmm or are you the type of person who just wants classic back Suski grinds?
A front smith is the most skateboarding-est skateboard trick to me. I feel like if I had to explain skateboarding in one trick, busting a front smith would do it.
@@ScagAteHer not an Ollie, kickflip, tre flip, or even dropping in first? Going straight to smith js ballsy and impressive.
scrolling through gifted’s channel hoping there’s something new for me to watch - nothing - refresh, video pops up
perfect timing
The whole overcrook debate sounds like some dudes just don't want to admit they can't nosegrind rails. If you legitimize one 45 angle grind why wouldn't the other variations count?
I think that’s the thing - it’s to do with the angle of the tweak. Too many people over rotating a fs nosegrind by like 5 degrees and claiming overcrook. If it’s gonna be counted as overcrook, and a standalone trick, it needs to be really tweaked.
@@mattd1659 yea but then that’s mfs being dumb and trying to say they can overcrook lmao I agree overcrook def has to have a certain amount of tweak or else it’s just a slightly tweaked nosegrind
I cannot nose grind a rail, I have done some very acute angled over crooks but people who can actually nose grind have my respect.
@@benlilley1449 Colt fucking cannon! czcams.com/video/81eU3iw2zb0/video.html
Is this something with the newer generation? I've literally never heard this debate, although I can understand the argument if it's not tweaked out properly.
i totally agree with you on fs overcrooks, always confused me why everyone always called them nosegrinds
No overwilly discussion? :(
Shtup
@@spoockle18 it was a joke
What’s an over Willy? Oh you mean a Losi.
I personally love frontside hurricanes, backside ones too if they're done well. Idk my pea brain just likes "Haha they go down rail backwards and 180 out to forward"
Same here! I like the frontside hurricane to faky. Ohhhh👍
@@memorysometimers3067 idk to fakie feels illegal
@@haydudebudd94 this. I rarely ever intentionally have gone to fakie. On transition, it would probably be harder compared to ledges and rails. Hell, most of the time I see someone go to fakie, I feel like the trick was just included to take up extra time in the part. The 180 out is the good shit. The real shit.
sw front hurricane one of my fav looking tricks
@@haydudebudd94 well ok. The on he showed on the big jersey barrier was sick and imagine going out fakie? Harder landing fakie than back to regular or goofs. Imagine doing it in a big bowl. Going to fakie is much harder. Didn’t know an actually hurricane was back to your stance.
You should do a separate list for transition grinds, that would be super interesting to see
Back Smith and FS hurricane should be S teir, smh idk why people underestimate the aesthetic of a clean bs smith.
Lem villemin bs Smith
Way better than front smith. If this was my list back smith would be the only one in S tier
@@hello21707 typical normie tier list with Smith grinds at the top...
This tier list completely changes when applied to transition in my opinion.
I've always thought FS 5-0 was cool as a ledge trick. I think it is elegantly simple and surprisingly versatile. I actually think it looks great all ways, whether balanced, with tail dragging, tweaked out a little, popped out from, or some combination of those. Ledge fs 5-0s are not too common in pro skateboarding so it almost always sticks out to me when some plaza shredder or whoever does one. They are boldly simple in a pleasing way, kind of like doing a flatground kickflip mid-line.
Fs 5-0 on a rail with a wall is elite
Bs 5-0 looks best
I grew up understanding that if your nose touched, it wasn't a backside nosegrind. Wenning was the local ripper LB. 18:52
You should do a skatepark design company tier list. spohn ranch, ca skateparks, grindline, etc…
YES
YES
rip team pain...
As a bullied FS Willy grinder myself, I feel vindicated.
Back in the 80s a Willy was a losing and done on transition...it got called a Willy cuz of Willy Santos of birdhouse...type over did it
Fs overcrook has existed for years, people that say it’s just a nosegrind are smooth brains, also straight nosegrinds are possible on rails, Chris Cole did a backside one years ago in his zero part, it’s just difficult and extremely rare so fools take the easy route
So much talk about grinds; this dude hangs out on grinder all day and night. Where is the s tier grind back tail?
Good one
Good one
nice
nice one
funny one
😂 you trolled us so hard. I disagree with literally everything🤣🤣🤣
Bro you totally look like the guy from this skate channel, Ben Degros! Love your content dude.
@@johncoleman7308 Mr.Degros is multitalented
That laugh at 4:34 brought me a lot of enjoyment lmao. I hope nothing ever happens to our boy Ninejah simply for how many laughs he has brought over the years. He's the biggest jock in skateboarding but somehow I have no hate for him whatsoever and it's based solely on that aforementioned entertainment value.
defenitely fs 5.0 over bs feeble. On rails at least, i hate when i see people go feeble to 5050 tho. everytrick can lool good tho just depends who does it
I love that you're coming off the perspective of how some of these grinds have became over saturated due to contests. Also I'm so over seeing any FS smith grinds
I love how much you back RadRat. That dude taught me how to skate way before stupid Braille was around
Oh frick yeah. Always waiting for new vids. Have watched some of them 5 times jesus
23:20 100% agree. That is, without a doubt THE BEST Willie grind I’ve ever seen & will most likely stay the absolute best Willie grind for quite a few years
I will say, before the fs feeble became a contest trick, I used to love watching what someone's fs feeble looked like. Bryan Herman, Tony Cervantes, and Chris Cole were some of my favorites.
Bryan Herman really does have insane style. He was one of my favorite skaters and I'd watch his parts all the time before and after skating. Same with Mark Appleyard
"It looks like somebody tried to get into a crooked grind, and, they got a text in midair that their grandma died, or something" 😂 Nice tier list a usual . I don't mind the odd fs 5-0. Like Shane O'Neill's in his 'Shane Goes' part. Don't think he tail drags (hard to tell), he floats it really nicely imo.
5-0s must never tail drag, this is how I was raised lol
exactly the clip i was thinking
Also see Mark Suciu's proper switch fs 5-0 in his new 'Blue Dog' short part 👍🏾 czcams.com/video/rO9sZxtZBqo/video.html
My biggest problem with frontside nose grinds not existing is that the main argument is it’s difficult. I have shown people several examples of a straight frontside nose grind on a round rail and the main rebuttals are, “yeah but do you know how hard that is??’ It just seems silly to me to say something doesn’t exist or to not distinguish tricks solely because they are difficult not because they are actually the same.
Pretty crazy, didn’t expect you to have the exact same thoughts about front feebs as I did. Always felt like it had this douchy and cocky vibe to it kinda like you said. Seems like the one trick that you always see a hyper spoiled California kid doing. But at the same time it’s a pretty good looking trick.
It's like a poor man's discount smith grind.... and willy is a homeless schizophrenic's smith grind
In two months you are by far my fav skater on You Tube my man.
front feeblers will remember this day..
If an overcrook is just a nosegrind, should we just name them Left/Right Nostril grinds?
cursed
A subway sandwich is not enough incentive to relinquish a locked-up 50-50.
Frontside 5050
Italian BMT
???????
PROFIT
@@aaronschultz3256 I’ve yet to try the BMT, possibly it’s a hidden gem that’s been in plain site all these years.
thank god ive been saying this forever. never understood why people just ignored the differentiation of overkrook/nosegrinds
Glad to see you included kyota I was getting nervous for a second
Barley grinds are sick. I think they need to make a comeback
the little smile you did when you put the fs willy in the s tier fucking killed me
We can thank Mark Appleyard for giving BS 5-0 & BS 50-50 a good look. With his ability to mix a nollie flip into the grind. Appleyard was always one of my favorite skaters
THANK YOU FOR DEFENDING THE FRONT OVERCROOK USING THE CROOK V NOSE GRIND LOGIC!!!
IVE BEEN TRYING TO USE THAT SAME EXAMPLE FOR YEARS AND NO ONE GET IT..
I LOVE YOU, ALSO SHOUTS OUT TO RAD RAT!
evil joah, as he menacingly puts the front willy in s tier while sipping his starbucks right after 😭
Tater & Rad Rat collab would be the bomb
Yep! Gifted Hater is Rad Rat's bratty younger brother and I'm all for those guys doing a collab
I love how backside and frontside dramatically change the interest in a trick, as we see displayed by the willy grinds here.
had me CRYING the way you violated BS Willys i had to run it back and hear it again😭😭💀💀💀
your rating of the fs willy redeemed you from your rating of the fs 5-0. crob would be spinning in his grave if he were dead. balancing a 5-0 on a ledge feels amazing and tail scrapers shouldn't turn you from it's beauty. fs willy is great because you get to say willy and it's not the bs variation
Just subbed because you make the same argument for FS Overcrook that I always do. It's literally a crook position over the obstacle. It exists. I don't always agree with you, but I always like what you have to say.
Willy better be s tier
looooooooooooooooooooooooool
@@giftedhater3087 what about overwillys. Love busting out nollie fs overwillys on a fingerboard
@@giftedhater3087 HAHAHAHAJ I CALLED IT
Grats on 20k bro
What I always got told about overcrooks was that it needs to be on a box/hubba/ledge because of how it locks in. Basically doesn’t feel like any other grind because your entire truck is grinding and a wheel power sliding to be a proper overcrook. Also I differentiate on the rail depending how the truck is pinched. If you’re on top the rail - nose grind. Some how get the pinch like in example picture - overcrook
I totally agree with the front overcrook, always thought it was dumb the way that people snub it
BEST explanation of the overcrook delimma, Period. I don't think we had this problem in 2010...
Congrats on 20k been watching since the strobeck video at 1.2k
personally, my tier list would be like this but fr crooks and fs willys would be switched. love your content man
I always wondered when i would see an over crook in a video and it was called a nose grind , I would always think why, and be so confused. Thanks for clearing hat up bro
Good FS overcrook explantion, couldn't have said it better myself
The Steve Bera post behind Yoda looks sick 😂😂😂
Love back! Cheers for the vid, interesting take
Congratulations on 20k
Such a proper take on overcrook. Ive been out the skateboarding loop for over 10 years and couldn't figure out why everyone was calling them nosegrinds. Why have they randomly applied that logic to that one trick? 5-0s are easier that 50-50s in a lot of cases do we start calling them 50-50s? No because the whole point in naming things is so you can describe it to another human.
Skateboarders would have never evolved. Nah that apple can't be called an apple cos you have to climb tree to get apple and that one fell on the ground. So dumb.
on zach doellings channel he proved that you can in fact do a straight on nose grind on a round rail and keep it completely straight the whole time without the tweak.
I salute your take on frontside overcrooks sir
Lol, I can't gauge what level of irony we're dealing with on the Kyoto front willy. Part of me thinks 100% but part of me isn't sure because he sounded so sincere on how sick it looked 😅
he's being sincere, no irony, Cleanest front willy ive seen
@@odeswarms All i can say is that front willy ain't got no alibi.
Can’t wait to see Kyle Walker 50-50ing a Möbius strip
“i’ve been watching rad rat” just the tone of voice fucking sent me
the fs overcrook discussion makes me think about nollie cabs
steve caballero has specifically said that cabs are fakie but I think the reason the term nollie cab is fine is because when one says the term nollie cab people who skate know the direction being referred to, so it does its job as a trick name
Finally someone who understands the beauty of the fs willy grind.
Slappy frontside hurricane on a parking block is goated
Broooooo keep the videos coming your content is really entertaining! Thx for the vids
fs 5-0 or fs grind on transition is genuinely one of the most fun and beautiful tricks
front overcrooks exist, when you ollie all the way over and lock in pinched it’s a perfect ollie over to backside crooked. especially distinguishable on ledges and square rails. on round rails it has to be pronounced, no drifting to the side later allowed that’s a nose grind, gotta ollie alllll the way over and smack it in crooked and hold it pinched and ride it out
Some controversial takes here but that's why we're here, lol. Plenty more grinds left for a follow up video too. I grew up skating in the late 90s and for me fs nollie switch crooks or fakie ollie switch crooks were the pinnacle of dope grinds on a ledge.
Im so glad I found this channel
glad he mentioned kyotas willy grind i thought it was so clean
Return of the king 😈😈😈😈💪💪
Thank you for the new vid Mr. Nips
His 10 years in the dungeon will come LOL I almost cried
My favorite channel instant click when I see an upload
that little chuckle after putting fs willy in the s tier
Barley's part in Welcome to Hell was fucking awesome. Those shoes too, loved them. I shaved my head after that part.
I have seen one backside willy on Chicago chase bank ledges and It might have to do with the filmer but I never felt the need to go back and watch a backside Willy until i saw that clip
Looking forward to the infinite 50-50 grind as a single part that fades to black
19:30 this is gonna be very controversial but i actually prefer how nose grinds look when their nose is scraping, same thing goes for 5-0’s. it looks more aggressive which makes it look cooler to me
The bs nosegrind argument hit just right. It’s my all time fav trick to do but man people need to go back to school for this one
Love how your dog wants to get out the room when you start talking about overcrooks, can’t say I blame the guy
oh yeaaa we gonna need a slide tier list next
I guess this shows how things change in era's of skating, but I never thought that a fs 50-50 would be held above a bs crook. With that being said lots of valid points and a fun video. Definitely agree on the BS Nosegrind, if you can't do em proper like Wenning, just don't.
My logic on the fs overcrook: if it looks like it’s pinched well enough to get on daspinch, then it’s a fs overcrook
didn't think he'd do it, but he did it
lmao! I was waiting for you to troll the willy into the S tier
That’s an old asss picture of Justin Dryden doing a front feeble with a civilian board haha u went way back for that one
Impeccable logic. If Crooked exists then OverCrook exists
FS Willy being S tier was the most unexpected part of this video
That was an M Night Shyamalan-worthy twist.
Love your videos dude. You have any of you skating? Like one with more than clip?
You explained the fs overkrook debate perfectly
Wow, could've at least told me you made a video for me, but the surprise was nice
Love the example videos you added babe