@@MickyThunderV what is this take? Who are “internet people”? Who is judging SLS currently - is it all pros or ex pros (sincere question) Yeah I agree GH probably shouldn’t be judging contests he’s good at judging the judges afterwards lol
@@andrewhall7663 Internet people are people that worship a guy who criticizes each and every skater. Skaters that put way more energy into Skateboarding than he did and that he shouldn't be judging in the first place based upon his own skill. They are also people who like to burn others because of minor mistakes and acting like it's such a big deal. It's just pure negativity here and I admit at first I was curious about this channel but while watching these videos I can't help but think what the hell I am doing here watching a guy in his basement talking smack at skateboarding. A guy that skates worse than me and ALL the guys he's talking about. Kelly Heart is the only judge I know really😅
Facts... especially when sls was DC ran. Nyjah was always the last man standing in the big section and people were getting rocked. Massive stairs and big block hubbas....
@Robert M yeah that’s the one. Pudwill killed that one but didnt get scores well. He also hit a pretty mean bs nose blunt to pop over as well I think at some point
Nyjah was skating at a really high level this contest I’ve seen him skate in person as well and was actually taken back by this weekend I think he might’ve reached a new peak..
Yep yep. Only thing as for him his peak is nailing that Fucab kicky to tail. That's the trick that keeps getting away from him.... and I'm sure in the contest to come he will nail it. I give Jah full marks for his performance at the Olympics. The one time the sellout literally didn't sell out for a first place medal and the appeasement of his fellow country men for national country pride........ he kept going for that trick.... when he could of dialed down and did any of those bangers he dropped in utah..... he was so well in the lead. I believe he was morely raped than robbed at sls Utah. That gap Fucab kicky to lip should have been scored way higher. There were so many fucabs and 270s to lips and blunts etc. And no one incorporated a kicky into those tricks but him..... not to mention to gap as well.
@@EYEFYI I strongly disagree Nyjah could have won the Olympics with a different strategy. The guy lost his nerves, from the start. He kept pretending he didn't care. But he did care. The literal only thing that could give him the win, was actually landing that trick. Which he end up not landing. I love his skating, but in no reality should he have won the olympics. We can debate about the winner of the women's skateboarding olympics though. But honestly, overall skill level there was kind of lacking anyway.
@@PHeMoX not even... then respectfully I believe you might have watched a different contest. Or maybe you haven't kept up with most of the previous contest. Nyjah had a commanding lead going in. He was still leading after he bailed the trick twice. At the third if he would switched to any of his bangers.... whether the nollie heel nose blunt..... switch heel lip or tail....or Fcab to back blunt... Fcab to kick lip.. and landed... he would have won. Now going back if you really kept up with all the previous contest you would know none of yutos nollie 270 to switch lip or tail can or has never outscored nyjahs tricks my guy.
@@euminkong i mean i miss them too. But you're talking about 1 rare trick only one guy ever does and a guy who died. I'm talking about a whole style of skating with endless possibilities. And that should last forever in contests
So she got a 8.5 for kickflip front board, nyjah got a 8.9 for the full cab flip lip slide, so they are basically saying those two tricks are pretty close in difficultly with .4 difference. Thats insane.
For fucking real, during this contest Luan was pretty much the only one to hit the gap. Pleasure to watch but didn't get scored the way it should have.
style doesn't count in street league at all, Luan Oliveira received a 7.6 over a huge switch frontside kickflip was disgusting, to get good scores you have to copy Nyjah style and do Nyjah's tricks over the rails
For sure man, tha's why skaters like Luan and Shane are not going to the finals anymore. Back in the day, when sls had the flow section, the impact sction, etc the scores were way more fair, because each skater has a unique ability and style, so in these different section everone had an oportunity ('cause they have differents abilitys). Today if you dont use the main secction your score is gonna be lower. I also miss seeing Luan doing his huge Hardflip or Shane switch double tree. Back in 2014 Luan did a fricking huge Hardflip and he got scored a 9.3 (he was about 9 feet from the ground), if he does this trick today do you think he's gonna get a 9 club? I guess not.
@@tresfordays9644 True, but I don't see many other skaters even attempting it; plus if thats the case, Shane's Switch 360 Double Flip should be deducted every time he throws it down for different SLS events. Which thank god it doesn't because its too GOT DAMN beautiful
In the women’s it almost seems like they gave the win to the newer, younger, “popular” girl. Rather than legitimately judge who is best. Image is everything.
Bullshit. Rayssa won just a month ago silver medal in the Olympics, She has A LOT of talent. I agree that the score was high, but don't think that her popularity or style had this substancial impact that you are trying to picture.
its not always about how good they are over all . You gotta put it down when the time is right. aka the best trick on that rail. If you cant land 1 of the 4 tries you're fucked. lil brazil put that shit down steezy at the right time. That was amazing
Meh no woman's score should ho above a 2. They need to step their game up and stop sitting around this buffet zone where they do just enough to stay relevant. Girls progression is pitiful. Elissa steamer was better than most of these girls 20 years ago. We going backwards?
Something I’ve noticed, if you do a somewhat gnarly trick but act insanely excited about it and get the crowd hype, you get more points, Nyjah knows this well.
In the early years of Street League, Chaz Ortiz would do something like a kickflip back smith (or front feeble), or a kickflip back lip (or front board) and get a regular score. Nyjah doing the same tricks on the same obstacles would regularly get .5 higher or so, even though each one would land flawlessly.
@@PHeMoX that makes no sense, its an issue either way that the judging is inconsistent regardless of whether it benefits the one complaining or not. there needs to be a standard level of judging criteria that everybody follows with as little bias as possible, not the current shitshow in place. skaters speaking up about it will bring it to the attention of the judges that they need to be sharp and fair or else they will get toasted
To eliminate this problem the rule should be once you use a specific part of the course you can’t use it anymore or at least if you do the points take a deduction.
Yes, and same should apply to repeated tricks in general. Maybe even deduct more points when a skater 'did it last year already'. I wouldn't mind that, push for fresh tricks in contests. But in reality, they hate creative stuff that's just very hard to judge, which is sad.
completely agree with what sls and competitive skating has gone to. the runs are all interesting to watch as skaters are REWARDED for creativity and utilization within the park. I think its super counterintuitive that creativity gets awarded in the run section but for best trick its boiled down to only handrails because it clearly gets rewarded the best.
@@xglockiex8926 he isn’t saying that - he’s saying it’s counterintuitive that that’s the case when best trick is reduced to literally just the handrail - the contrast in judging styles for these two separate rounds of the competition is what he finds counterintuitive
If I'd be a judge I would also find it hard to score the exact same, in the heat of the moment and competition it's hard to not score emotionally and let your scores creep upwards.
@@dubble_g so how would you do it? there is 10 obstacles and what like 200 possible trick variations on those obstacles +/- how those tricks are performed. so you have 2000 scores that you need to keep consistant????
@@djpolly1 you're saying this as if people didn't have jobs requiring them to keep track/memorise or learn even bigger loads of information, it's your job, you're supposed to be professional about it, and do lots of research if that's what it takes
Idea for street league: 4 sections + the usual run section (5 total) Section1: ledge section -flat ledge or down ledge trick Section 2: rail section -flat rail or down rail trick Section 3: stair/gap section -Trick down the stair set or big drop/gap OR trick over the kicker to kicker Section 4: manual section -Trick on a flat manual pad or up/down manny pad Section 5: usual run -same as is now to show off consistency. But includes access to all sections above Discuss.
Watch the first Street League instances, it used to have a similar format to the one you're suggesting. The thing is that they wanted something that was more enjoyable as an espectator sport, something flashier. They ended up getting rid of basically every small obstacle and tech section, and now it's all reduced to a run section and then lots of big stunts.
Not a fan of the manuals but the rest of it sounds cool tbh i dont have a huge problem with the 2 runs and 5 best tricks I guess that format probably favors rails skaters so what you said could make it more balanced than towards ledge skaters
this page is honestly amazing. a completely unbiased well thought out skate reviewer who isnt scared to speak out about things in the community. massive respect dude
I liked the two runs but honestly everything but the big section feels pointless because the big section gets so many more points. I think it'd be cool to do that if you kept best score from each section and on more score from any or something. Makes the low point sections feel like they matter
I agree with most of your points aside from the scoring on Nyjah's cab flip back lip. It's a crazy trick, yes, but he seriously does that trick in EVERY street league, and I think that's why he's getting diminishing returns with it. That's his go to every single time, and he can't keep winning with the same trick forever. He's also done it on WAY gnarlier obstacles than the bump to bar at this park. I'm particularly thinking of the gap to handrail from the super crown on 2019. Shit was bannanas, and after seeing him do that trick on that obstacle, I don't think it's that cool to see him do it on a bump to bar yet again. I was there in person, and I think your point about trying to create as much hype as possible is most likely true. Probably a big reason why they changed the format to include 2 more best trick tries for the top 4. The place fucking EXPLODED both when Rayssa did the kickflip front board and when Gustavo did the tre flip noseblunt. Biased judging or not those two moments were hype as fuck, and an absolute pleasure to watch. I also agree about the creativity. In the prelims Alec Majerus crook bonked the little blue rail over the gap, and didn't get shit for it. I thought that was probably the coolest trick of the whole contest, but he was not rewarded whatsoever. I was really excited when I saw all the skaters jumping over said blue rail down the gap in practice, cause I thought we'd finally see someone skate the god damned stairs for once, but as per usual street league fashion, even when there's a rail to jump over, gap tricks are not scored highly at all. The same goes for any tech trick. Tech is never, and really never has been rewarded in these contests. I was particularly appalled when in the Olympics, Angelo Narvaez did a 540 flip lipslide on a handrail, a trick I personally had never seen, and got like an 8.2. I was blown away by that trick, and the judges were just kinda like "Meh, he doesn't skate for Nike". All in all I think we do need some better judging that encourages more than just handrail tricks, and I've felt that way for a while. Personally I like to see skaters hit gaps and stairs WAY more than a handrail, and would like to see more of that in competition. Maybe we could get a bit more of it, as well as more creative and technical contest skating, if the judges were more fair to non-handrail skateboarding.
I’m with you 100%, Nick. I fully understand the difficulty...but I just don’t need to see it. I was annoyed when many of the tricks in “best tricks done down El Toro” were handrails.
@@thekelsek6337 the only ones that havent been done in contest is the alley oop ones and also the flip ins. i can do the nollie 270 lip yuto does both ways but i never seen anyone besides me and yuto do it. the next variations will be one more degree than 270, for example a fakie cab into sw 5-0 or half cab into bs 180 nose grind. however you want to call it. just think of the hardest trick like 270 nose blunt and turn a bit more into a sw 5-0 and that is the next level of difficult.
True, I think that's probably because the hubba is quite a bit smaller than the handrail. Either way I flipped my shit when I saw David throw that down.
Very true. And even if the hubba is smaller than the rail.... I don't think that there is any regular skaters like us out there that would say blunts on rails are harder than blunts on ledges. Blunts on rails essentially become over tails and over noses.
Bro finally someone talking about it, style doesn't count in street league at all, Luan Oliveira received a 7.6 over a huge switch frontside kickflip was disgusting, to get good scores you have to copy Nyjah style and do Nyjah's tricks over the rails, they should just put one rail and a flatground next sls
I was there in person. Shit was clutch as fuck, and Rayssa was the only female to flip into the hardrail. Might have been judged a bit high but I think the reaction was justified.
I'm totally with you on the idea of scoring a variety of difficult tricks highly around all parts of the park. Would make the comps exponentially more interesting. I felt similarly about scoring of the 2020 X-Games Real Street Best Trick seeing John Dilo getting (imo) low-balled for his switch-heel-over-a-picnic-table-to-switch-manual-to-switch-flip-over-the-pipe-out 🤯
something that kelly hart said about the olympic judging and judging in general is that all of the tricks are judged based on the same scale regardless of who did it but in that same sense they judge on style/cleanliness/repetition which means that there is some discrepancies between the scores that an individual trick can get. so like, a kickflip technically would have a highest and lowest score that it can potentially get… but if that’s the case some of those things they score on are subjective to the judges and in that case other things need to be accommodated for such as felipe mota’s age, women, and anything else that could potentially change the level of the skating.
Hey man great vid, could you talk about the new sls format ? I feel like, after watxhing this video, that the idea of the new format strengthens your point. To me runs and best tricks favor different type of skating, and thz more technical skaters could shine in the lines. Now it is all about best tricks. Again as you said it really only benefits the "show" part of SLS, giving us more "eye pleasing", "big tricks", or "american tricks" as we call them in France. Plus the rule of last 4 skaters going forward is only here to make spectacular finishes like they want... sure it is dramatic but man does the scoring and skating suffers. I feel like one run is useless, cuz most of the skaters that had 3 good scores, weel had 3 best trick scores.
Damn right. The bullshit is the judges penalize Jah for consistently being clutch and consistent. He has won many contest doing that nollie heel nose blunt. It's absolutely effed up to low ball him especially since no other skater is doing his specific set of bangers. Until the other pros do his tricks he shouldn't be underscored.
Felipe Mota actually did the kick flip front blunt in the qualifying round for this event. Cant remember what it scored but dont think it was better than 8.5.
@@Chillehhhh Yeah, it showed him kickflip front blunt the event at P-Rods. That was the qualifier for this event. I'm saying he literally did that same trick at this event during the prelim qualifier for the finals. I'm not gonna go back and watch the prelims again but I dont think he got better than 8.5.
I would love to see a methodical (possibly numerical) break down of SLS judging and it's evolution over the years. And possible biases that might emerge from deep inspection. Anyone actually care enough to do this though? Lol
The problem is, they do not reveal 'how' tricks are scored. Which is the first problem with the whole scoring. They should have fixed scores for specific tricks, but somehow I doubt they even have that. Add modifiers to when it was sketchy landed, toe touched etc. If two skaters land the same trick clean, they deserve the same score. That's problem number two.
1. If you look in the past there have been 9 club scores without using the biggest obstacles in the course. However they involved flip in + flip out. 2. If you disagree with Rayssa getting the 8.2 than you must also disagree with standard rail tricks (no flip in/out) getting 7's.
Change the rules so that once a skater lands a trick on a particular obstacle they can’t attempt another trick on it. The handrail would still get the most points probably, but at least there’d be some more variety and it would be more interesting for viewers.
agree. hes done that trick before 10 years ago but at the same time gifted haters point is good. they shouldve made them tie up an done 1 more round for sudden death
@@ghostgore2.0 nyjah did some tricks 10 years ago that he cannot do today. nobody is on nyjahs level as far as street skating but nyjah is human so he does make mistakes like all of us the only skater who will ever be on nyjahs level will have to be trained since birth with the sole purpose of being the best skater in the world. nyjah was forced to skate and lived a very strict life. his dad pushed him to his limits and beyond. i think in the next few years we will see another nyjah but so far no contenders.
The scoring system used in sls is marketed to events with the intention of generating the most hype at a skate comp, while they also assure that its a fair system. It’s an inherently imprecise system, and admittedly biased, so the diff between 0.5 points only really matters past every full point, hence its “nine club” not “nine point five” club. I think its only as fair as it can be within a game that has more stakeholders than the ones skating. Game of SKATE format is the complete opposite in terms of who seizes control of generating that hype; it becomes the skaters themselves performing, not the arena, stage/production, announcers, corporate sponsors etc. Would love to see an SLS-style SKATE format alongside Berrics.
The worse part of the SLS judging is that they are egemonising sk8board. Listen, the top 4 had every one 3 trick with some sort of 360 body movement. Like, the finals dont show much cuz other guys didnt got there, but on prelims, Felipe G made a switch front flip tailslide and got 8, louie lopez was and Mcclung also got "robbed". Sls are only rewarding one style of sk8boarding. And the new format will make things worse. edit: dont excuse ur self for making money out of your work. ;-)
Maybe it should be more like gymnastics with clear reasons for score and a separate event for a bunch of different obstacles as well an overall winner for all the obstacles.
Yeah.. we can't have it both ways. I see both points though but I kinda agree with crob. If the woman's contest have a lower skill ceiling it's fine and it might be scored differently. It's a different contest. The highest possible score should be the best possible trick with the best possible execution in that contest. If the skill ceiling goes up we should move the point up too. But the contest should be transparent about it and not just bend the rules as they like it.
@@SUB0SCORION that is why its just better to not be subjective and just add a point or 2 if its a girl but there has to be a formula. not just let the little girl win because it makes more money
@@tonycruise I agree subjectivity kills the point of the contest. Before the contest they should tell us that a kickflip front board can worth from 6-8.6 depending on the execution and obstacle for women and 5-7.4 for men or something similar for every trick. (I realise that there is an, infinite combination) Or just some tricks and these trick pointy would act as examples
@@SUB0SCORION judging is usually on point but i realized there are some moments where judging is either rigged or really bad. like the time kevin hoeffler did a kickflip krooked grind and got like a 9.5 and nyjah did a kickflip back tail same obstacle and got a lower score or the same score. Nyjah was mad that day so he did a tre flip lip in a clutch moment and won. i knew a cariuma skater had to win, the gifted hater opened our minds to the true and possible scenarios of rigged sports in skating. what a coincidence yuto was nowhere to be seen to take first again. just like leticia faced only easy opponents in the red bull cup so she can win since she skates for red bull and same with trent mcclung winning an etnies sponsored event
I think the handrail thing started back when malto was in street league getting mad consistent score doing mainly grinds ain’t nothing wrong with it but I get what you saying
Ribeiro used the hubba and scored 9s. The rail is used more because a tre flip nose blunt is fkn knarly and is harder in general. O'Neill is my favourite skater, but is crumbling like a badly cooked Anzac biscuit these days on the comp floor.
Couldn't believe it when I saw the cab flip back lip get scored, even less so when a tre noseblunt gets scored a 9.4. It's a hard trick sure but like, I thought it was more in the 9.1-2 range considering all the other tricks that had been done and how they were scored. So yeah Jah got robbed, he's won at times he shouldn't but this one he 100% deserved to win
I've watched most of them and I can't think of it being done on the big rail at any of the competitions. In prelims for the SLC contest David Reyes did it on the hubba going down the 5, but I can't recall seeing it on a big handrail other than Gustavo pulling it in this most recent contest. I could be wrong though.
scored very low because that day gustavo and 2 or 3 other people were trying tre flip nose blunt or overcrook variatons so they were scoring anything with a treflip into it very low, its the one where the spanish guy Caro also competed
couldn't agree more with the handrail theory. Like bruh felipe gustavo doing a switch flip back tail shove it out and getting like a 8.8 is ridiculous. that trick is sooo incredibly technical and fucked up down this hub and should at least get a 9.4 or something imo
not just scoring on handrails, its easier to be more consistent on handrails that is why everyone hits handrails. its harder to land tricks consistently off big stairs.
My EXACT thought when I saw the 8.9 score for nyjah’s full cab flip board was, “they must be scoring it low cause he does it all the time.” Maybe they scored it low because they know it’s a trick in his bag and it wasn’t that surprising? I know my argument has flaws but I feel like I’m close on to how they probably felt.
while i dont know all the details how scoring in the gymnastics and diving work but i think it should be implemented in competition skateboarding. so each trick gets a predetermined difficulty score and then the judges judge for the execution. obviously they are doing something like this already but its not formalized in any kind of way and that leads to competitors not being judged properly. it would take some of the excitement away since you would know what was coming up since stuff had to be called in advance but that wouldn't be all bad since it would avoid a situation when somebody goes for one type of grind but lands another one.
it comes to a point were sls might have to have an exact score for a every trick and add scores together for a combo while also considering the execution of the trick maybe differing score increases depending on the obstacle they do a trick on
SL is my least favourite skate contest. I stopped watching it years ago because I just got angry at the judging more than enjoying the skating. Totally agree that the format prioritises drama over fairness. Best thing that ever happened in SL was when Leticia jock Bufoni obnoxiously celebrated "winning" before the contest was even finished and then Aori Nishimura stomped her last trick and won it. That did bring me a lot of joy haha
When you can agree with someone you dislike shows a lot of humility and shows you care about your arguments and not who the argument is aimed at. Now this is a channel
I think it’s a general thing in judging to judge relative to the scores they’ve given before in the individual contest. This is why, sometimes, phenomenal first runs are judged a little more conservatively to leave room for the many more runs to come that could be at or above that caliber.
She is basically known for being sky brown's best friend, they knew there would be more publicity for a win from her than the other chick and more of a celebration
It actually really bugs me that they try to score the women's and men's comps on the same scale. Like why? Adjust the scale to the level they can skate at.
I was baffled how in 2019 leticia bufoni did a front lip and the other girl did a back board on the same thing and won. Like they said the Bs board was cleaner but that would imply the easier trick done better is objectively better than a way harder trick done slightly less than perfect. Shit makes no sense.
Maybe they should consider a judging system similar to the one in artistic gymnastics. It's obviously not fair either, since humans are judging it and the big nations got their hands in it. But maybe something like this would work better: Every basic trick has a base score. On top of this you get a score for execution which has a maximum number (e.g. 10) and deductions are made for e.g. hand drags, sketchy landings or un clean form (e.g. impossibles that are not wrapped or grabs that are only touched and not grabbed). So you set the deduction for the different tricks like e.g. off axis landing is - 1 point etc. based on this you can score consistently the same for the same "mistakes" etc.
YO! Congrats on starting a Patreon! God forbid you try to make a living/ secondary income utilizing your hobby/passion. Dumb people are dumb. Keep it up man!
Nyjah got scored too low. Which is weird cuz in the past he would always get scored higher than other skaters even when his tricks weren't as good. I remember luan once hit a HUGE switch big heel flip off a ramp and didn't even get a 9 for it. Meanwhile nyjah would get 9s for the dumbest shit. It's never made sense to me.
Would love to hear your take on the demise of the run section. Down from 2 to 1. And now runs seems like a warm up for best trick rather than key to their final score. Keep going this way we could end up with no course at all... just two hand rails and 5 best trick attempts 🤷♂️.
I remember when Street League didn't even have a run section, but rather multiple best trick sections on different obstacles. In the beginning there would be like a tech section that was just a ledge, and all the skaters would have a few tries to pull their best shit on it. Once that was over they'd move to like a line section with maybe 2 small sets of stairs. Do one trick on the first set, then a second trick on the second set. Finally once that was over they'd move to the big section. I really miss it being done that way, it gave skaters like PJ Ladd a time to shine in competition.
Everything this dude said is spot on. Consistency is the most important thing. Stoked to see Rayssa win but just coz it was clutch or just coz she's a kid or just coz she's popular now isn't a reason to get the W. And it's a good thing the womens are scored the same as the mens. A trick should be scored the same regardless of who did it. And the judges fucked up bigtime just to build the hype.
@@Makabert.Abylon yeah I don't care if it was enough to win, Ribeiro definitely put out and deserves the win, but it's clearly scored wrong so it's a bad taste that comes with it.
Dude, you’re slowly morphing into the lady that served me lunch in elementary school. Aesthetically
A lunch lady/pro sack race contestant
OMG LMAOOOO
comment section starting to become a burn section for this dude hahaha
i was thinking he reminds me of the witch from wizard of oz
hahahahaha omfg
i really respect the background research used to strengthen your argument. KEEP THINKING
petition to have Gifted Hater start judging SLS
Hell no. Internet people just harm skateboarding
nah lmao he doesnt know enough abt skating
Yuhh
@@MickyThunderV what is this take? Who are “internet people”? Who is judging SLS currently - is it all pros or ex pros (sincere question)
Yeah I agree GH probably shouldn’t be judging contests he’s good at judging the judges afterwards lol
@@andrewhall7663 Internet people are people that worship a guy who criticizes each and every skater. Skaters that put way more energy into Skateboarding than he did and that he shouldn't be judging in the first place based upon his own skill. They are also people who like to burn others because of minor mistakes and acting like it's such a big deal. It's just pure negativity here and I admit at first I was curious about this channel but while watching these videos I can't help but think what the hell I am doing here watching a guy in his basement talking smack at skateboarding. A guy that skates worse than me and ALL the guys he's talking about.
Kelly Heart is the only judge I know really😅
Sugarcane on a handrail getting only 8.5 is asinine
Scored the exact same as kickfip front board lol
straight joke
total bs. great diction btw, one of my favorites in the English lexicon. that, and flippant
@@dylanheber4406 more like asi-nine club
@@crowbar55555 best pun i’ve seen to date. flawlessly executed. i’d give it a 8.9
It’s starting to be clear the judging is based off the bias on who they want to win and what skating they like.
There's no other way
@@gladman9634 yup, that's just human nature. Only way to change it is to put a score on every single trick there is and stick to that
Yeah, somebody like Kelly Hart is not going give a high score to something creative.
@@idontwantone132 Yea just use THPS scoring lmao
@@idontwantone132 and maybe the option of maybe -0.1 to +0.1 for the execution
they used to have contests with no rails so that people could beat nyjah but nyjah still won so they went back to rails lol
Yep like in Chicago 2013 I believe, where it was like the strangest course ever and he still smashed it
Yep like the olympics
Luan won on the course he designed. I think they should do that more often. Let some of the skaters help design the course.
Facts... especially when sls was DC ran. Nyjah was always the last man standing in the big section and people were getting rocked. Massive stairs and big block hubbas....
@Robert M yeah that’s the one. Pudwill killed that one but didnt get scores well. He also hit a pretty mean bs nose blunt to pop over as well I think at some point
Nyjah was skating at a really high level this contest I’ve seen him skate in person as well and was actually taken back by this weekend I think he might’ve reached a new peak..
Yep yep. Only thing as for him his peak is nailing that Fucab kicky to tail. That's the trick that keeps getting away from him.... and I'm sure in the contest to come he will nail it. I give Jah full marks for his performance at the Olympics. The one time the sellout literally didn't sell out for a first place medal and the appeasement of his fellow country men for national country pride........ he kept going for that trick.... when he could of dialed down and did any of those bangers he dropped in utah..... he was so well in the lead.
I believe he was morely raped than robbed at sls Utah. That gap Fucab kicky to lip should have been scored way higher. There were so many fucabs and 270s to lips and blunts etc. And no one incorporated a kicky into those tricks but him..... not to mention to gap as well.
@@EYEFYI one thing i respect about nyjah is he tries his best and wont just do a easy strategy to win.
@@EYEFYI I strongly disagree Nyjah could have won the Olympics with a different strategy. The guy lost his nerves, from the start. He kept pretending he didn't care. But he did care. The literal only thing that could give him the win, was actually landing that trick. Which he end up not landing. I love his skating, but in no reality should he have won the olympics. We can debate about the winner of the women's skateboarding olympics though. But honestly, overall skill level there was kind of lacking anyway.
@@PHeMoX not even... then respectfully I believe you might have watched a different contest. Or maybe you haven't kept up with most of the previous contest. Nyjah had a commanding lead going in. He was still leading after he bailed the trick twice. At the third if he would switched to any of his bangers.... whether the nollie heel nose blunt..... switch heel lip or tail....or Fcab to back blunt... Fcab to kick lip.. and landed... he would have won. Now going back if you really kept up with all the previous contest you would know none of yutos nollie 270 to switch lip or tail can or has never outscored nyjahs tricks my guy.
i miss seeing stairs and gap tricks, way more hype from the crowd aswell when someone sails it down a big drop with a fat flip trick.
Nothing last forever. I miss Shane Oneil switch double tres and I miss Dylan
@@euminkong i mean i miss them too. But you're talking about 1 rare trick only one guy ever does and a guy who died. I'm talking about a whole style of skating with endless possibilities. And that should last forever in contests
@@chriskenny7109 That’s why Luan Oliveira is so fun to watch IMO. He destroys stairs and gaps.
@@jabbernation947 Luan is definitely not a big gap skater
@@gnarboots423 still a beast and fun to watch regardless.
I am so glad to know other people agree that Rayssa’s kickflip front board got scored way higher than it should’ve been
Also Funa got a 7.1 for a front crook... If was a man would score a 5 max for a front crook
She's a fan favorite lol. They're always going to give her extra points cause she's young and fan favorite tbh.
@@skamarfire Yeah the judging overall was confusing and just didn’t seem to be consistent in anyway
@@skamarfire women should he judged to relative to the ability of other women. The way the olympics did the scoring was terrible
@@modR__ yeah, the previous fan favorite was Leticia and they did the same. Leticia must be so angry but then acts like she's happy for that girl
So she got a 8.5 for kickflip front board, nyjah got a 8.9 for the full cab flip lip slide, so they are basically saying those two tricks are pretty close in difficultly with .4 difference. Thats insane.
LOL what a joke
Women are scored against the men
thats why skaters like luan dont go far anymore, even flipping the entire time, but not hitting the handrails
For fucking real, during this contest Luan was pretty much the only one to hit the gap. Pleasure to watch but didn't get scored the way it should have.
style doesn't count in street league at all, Luan Oliveira received a 7.6 over a huge switch frontside kickflip was disgusting, to get good scores you have to copy Nyjah style and do Nyjah's tricks over the rails
and Luan is waaaaaaaay more entertaining and satisfying to watch.
watching luan in copenhagen open looks way more cooler like, doing whatever you wanna do
For sure man, tha's why skaters like Luan and Shane are not going to the finals anymore. Back in the day, when sls had the flow section, the impact sction, etc the scores were way more fair, because each skater has a unique ability and style, so in these different section everone had an oportunity ('cause they have differents abilitys). Today if you dont use the main secction your score is gonna be lower. I also miss seeing Luan doing his huge Hardflip or Shane switch double tree. Back in 2014 Luan did a fricking huge Hardflip and he got scored a 9.3 (he was about 9 feet from the ground), if he does this trick today do you think he's gonna get a 9 club? I guess not.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one tripping that Nyjah scored less than a 9 with that Full Can Flip Back Lip
I mean, that’s like Nyjahs go to trick so maybe they are scoring it less cause he always does it, idk 🤷🏼♀️
@@tresfordays9644 True, but I don't see many other skaters even attempting it; plus if thats the case, Shane's Switch 360 Double Flip should be deducted every time he throws it down for different SLS events. Which thank god it doesn't because its too GOT DAMN beautiful
He does it every week bro
@@astrladam4392 Still a gnarly trick though, you have to admit
In the women’s it almost seems like they gave the win to the newer, younger, “popular” girl. Rather than legitimately judge who is best. Image is everything.
ok I disagree with this past year. The judges made plenty of sense, the younger skaters did AMAZING compared to the older skaters
Bullshit.
Rayssa won just a month ago silver medal in the Olympics, She has A LOT of talent. I agree that the score was high, but don't think that her popularity or style had this substancial impact that you are trying to picture.
its not always about how good they are over all . You gotta put it down when the time is right. aka the best trick on that rail. If you cant land 1 of the 4 tries you're fucked. lil brazil put that shit down steezy at the right time. That was amazing
Meh no woman's score should ho above a 2. They need to step their game up and stop sitting around this buffet zone where they do just enough to stay relevant. Girls progression is pitiful. Elissa steamer was better than most of these girls 20 years ago. We going backwards?
@@natel7382 girls skateboarding is just fashion show bullshit
Something I’ve noticed, if you do a somewhat gnarly trick but act insanely excited about it and get the crowd hype, you get more points, Nyjah knows this well.
Bump I seen this all day!!! Only time when skater/crowd had real reactions was when Carlos Ribeiro would skTe
So true
In the early years of Street League, Chaz Ortiz would do something like a kickflip back smith (or front feeble), or a kickflip back lip (or front board) and get a regular score. Nyjah doing the same tricks on the same obstacles would regularly get .5 higher or so, even though each one would land flawlessly.
Exactly true. This is why I don't think Nyjah has a real right to complain now. And nope, I don't hate Nyjah.
@@PHeMoX that makes no sense, its an issue either way that the judging is inconsistent regardless of whether it benefits the one complaining or not. there needs to be a standard level of judging criteria that everybody follows with as little bias as possible, not the current shitshow in place. skaters speaking up about it will bring it to the attention of the judges that they need to be sharp and fair or else they will get toasted
To eliminate this problem the rule should be once you use a specific part of the course you can’t use it anymore or at least if you do the points take a deduction.
That would be really interesting actually. I'm here for it
Yes, and same should apply to repeated tricks in general. Maybe even deduct more points when a skater 'did it last year already'. I wouldn't mind that, push for fresh tricks in contests. But in reality, they hate creative stuff that's just very hard to judge, which is sad.
the kickflip front board getting an 8.5 is absolutely mind blowing. that’s the first flip to grind trick i ever learned when i was like 11 years old
completely agree with what sls and competitive skating has gone to. the runs are all interesting to watch as skaters are REWARDED for creativity and utilization within the park. I think its super counterintuitive that creativity gets awarded in the run section but for best trick its boiled down to only handrails because it clearly gets rewarded the best.
How is being rewarded for creativity in the run section counter intuitive?
@@xglockiex8926 he isn’t saying that - he’s saying it’s counterintuitive that that’s the case when best trick is reduced to literally just the handrail - the contrast in judging styles for these two separate rounds of the competition is what he finds counterintuitive
shut up kim
@@elliotta8391 facts
If I'd be a judge I would also find it hard to score the exact same, in the heat of the moment and competition it's hard to not score emotionally and let your scores creep upwards.
but thats your job if you would be a judge
@@dubble_g so how would you do it? there is 10 obstacles and what like 200 possible trick variations on those obstacles +/- how those tricks are performed. so you have 2000
scores that you need to keep consistant????
@@djpolly1 Yes but these tricks have been done before and if youre a judge you shouldve atleast seen the earlier sls contests.
It is literally so easy though to have and record a log of what scores all these tricks were scored on what In the past.
@@djpolly1 you're saying this as if people didn't have jobs requiring them to keep track/memorise or learn even bigger loads of information, it's your job, you're supposed to be professional about it, and do lots of research if that's what it takes
he’s even doing the dub thing like fantano now
Oh god let’s hope he doesn’t turn into fantano. That guy is toxiccc.
The jah won't let Gifted Hater change
I hope you know I’ve been refreshing your ig 5 times every 30 minutes just to hear your take on this
Same
Eww simps lmao
@@-solidsnake- i love you to sweetheart
I did it 10 times every hour so I'm cooler
@@4vendetta1 I wish I was as cool as u :(
Idea for street league:
4 sections + the usual run section (5 total)
Section1: ledge section
-flat ledge or down ledge trick
Section 2: rail section
-flat rail or down rail trick
Section 3: stair/gap section
-Trick down the stair set or big drop/gap OR trick over the kicker to kicker
Section 4: manual section
-Trick on a flat manual pad or up/down manny pad
Section 5: usual run
-same as is now to show off consistency. But includes access to all sections above
Discuss.
Watch the first Street League instances, it used to have a similar format to the one you're suggesting. The thing is that they wanted something that was more enjoyable as an espectator sport, something flashier. They ended up getting rid of basically every small obstacle and tech section, and now it's all reduced to a run section and then lots of big stunts.
@@sk8_bort that is sad to hear. Hopefully as skating becomes more popular the general public will appreciate tricks aside from big stunts
Not a fan of the manuals but the rest of it sounds cool tbh i dont have a huge problem with the 2 runs and 5 best tricks I guess that format probably favors rails skaters so what you said could make it more balanced than towards ledge skaters
@@chap5674 disregarding your entire view because you aren’t a fan of manuals
I am just observing lifted taters editing progress and get better every video.
I met Nyjah after the comp and he refused to take a pic with me. Great guy (:
Shame but he is allowed to refuse one
@ANYTHNG G03S I cried all night man
this page is honestly amazing. a completely unbiased well thought out skate reviewer who isnt scared to speak out about things in the community. massive respect dude
Old sls was better, 2 45 second runs, tech section, big section. Just makes more sense and more fun to watch
I liked the two runs but honestly everything but the big section feels pointless because the big section gets so many more points.
I think it'd be cool to do that if you kept best score from each section and on more score from any or something.
Makes the low point sections feel like they matter
I agree with most of your points aside from the scoring on Nyjah's cab flip back lip. It's a crazy trick, yes, but he seriously does that trick in EVERY street league, and I think that's why he's getting diminishing returns with it. That's his go to every single time, and he can't keep winning with the same trick forever. He's also done it on WAY gnarlier obstacles than the bump to bar at this park. I'm particularly thinking of the gap to handrail from the super crown on 2019. Shit was bannanas, and after seeing him do that trick on that obstacle, I don't think it's that cool to see him do it on a bump to bar yet again.
I was there in person, and I think your point about trying to create as much hype as possible is most likely true. Probably a big reason why they changed the format to include 2 more best trick tries for the top 4. The place fucking EXPLODED both when Rayssa did the kickflip front board and when Gustavo did the tre flip noseblunt. Biased judging or not those two moments were hype as fuck, and an absolute pleasure to watch.
I also agree about the creativity. In the prelims Alec Majerus crook bonked the little blue rail over the gap, and didn't get shit for it. I thought that was probably the coolest trick of the whole contest, but he was not rewarded whatsoever.
I was really excited when I saw all the skaters jumping over said blue rail down the gap in practice, cause I thought we'd finally see someone skate the god damned stairs for once, but as per usual street league fashion, even when there's a rail to jump over, gap tricks are not scored highly at all.
The same goes for any tech trick. Tech is never, and really never has been rewarded in these contests. I was particularly appalled when in the Olympics, Angelo Narvaez did a 540 flip lipslide on a handrail, a trick I personally had never seen, and got like an 8.2. I was blown away by that trick, and the judges were just kinda like "Meh, he doesn't skate for Nike".
All in all I think we do need some better judging that encourages more than just handrail tricks, and I've felt that way for a while. Personally I like to see skaters hit gaps and stairs WAY more than a handrail, and would like to see more of that in competition. Maybe we could get a bit more of it, as well as more creative and technical contest skating, if the judges were more fair to non-handrail skateboarding.
He does not cab flip back lip every contest. He has done it twice. He full cab back lips often but not cab flip.
Pretty early for a gifted hater vid
Perhaps an unpopular opinion (I don't care if it is): Most handrail tricks bore the shit out of me.
Boardslides are the worst
I’m with you 100%, Nick. I fully understand the difficulty...but I just don’t need to see it. I was annoyed when many of the tricks in “best tricks done down El Toro” were handrails.
@@rubytuesday7716 funny...I would actually prefer to see a boardslide over a 50-50
@@JokesOnWokes Good point; I can definitely get behind how challenging they may be but yeah asthetically speaking, I love the look of flip tricks.
8:53 Holy… that big flip front board attempt by Nishya.
Cant wait to see what new 270 variation comes next
The 270 on handrails got old real fast
@@thekelsek6337 the only ones that havent been done in contest is the alley oop ones and also the flip ins.
i can do the nollie 270 lip yuto does both ways but i never seen anyone besides me and yuto do it.
the next variations will be one more degree than 270, for example a fakie cab into sw 5-0 or half cab into bs 180 nose grind. however you want to call it.
just think of the hardest trick like 270 nose blunt and turn a bit more into a sw 5-0 and that is the next level of difficult.
someone will do fakie half cab in to grapefruit aka fakie cab into a hurricane/grapefruit type grind
@@tonycruise say fakie cab again i dare you
@@tonycruise nice! But I would really like to see more obscure grind variations and technical flips and manuals for variety
david reyes did a tre flip noseblunt on the hubba in the qualifiers and got a much lower score than gustavo, which is weird
True, I think that's probably because the hubba is quite a bit smaller than the handrail. Either way I flipped my shit when I saw David throw that down.
Very true. And even if the hubba is smaller than the rail.... I don't think that there is any regular skaters like us out there that would say blunts on rails are harder than blunts on ledges. Blunts on rails essentially become over tails and over noses.
Bro finally someone talking about it, style doesn't count in street league at all, Luan Oliveira received a 7.6 over a huge switch frontside kickflip was disgusting, to get good scores you have to copy Nyjah style and do Nyjah's tricks over the rails, they should just put one rail and a flatground next sls
The scoring was more disorderly than a dirt bike wheely in a residential OC neighborhood. 🤘🏽
Whenever Nyjah doesn't win, he's always confused lol
Well, idk about last times but tbf he should've won here, and I don't even like Nyjah
Nyjah complaining about SLS judging is like Drake complaining about the Spotify algorithm
A kickflip front board didn’t deserve that score or reaction.
I was there in person. Shit was clutch as fuck, and Rayssa was the only female to flip into the hardrail. Might have been judged a bit high but I think the reaction was justified.
@Vision Flow lmao mediocre? kickflip front board in womens?
@Vision Flow you are wrong
@Vision Flow Whatever dude, I'm sorry you're unable to get hyped up over something cool. Must be hard to live such a cynical life.
Amazing research, thank you for your work.
I'm totally with you on the idea of scoring a variety of difficult tricks highly around all parts of the park. Would make the comps exponentially more interesting. I felt similarly about scoring of the 2020 X-Games Real Street Best Trick seeing John Dilo getting (imo) low-balled for his switch-heel-over-a-picnic-table-to-switch-manual-to-switch-flip-over-the-pipe-out 🤯
The hilarious thing on this course is that the "big" handrail is well below knee height. No human has long enough arms to use that thing.
something that kelly hart said about the olympic judging and judging in general is that all of the tricks are judged based on the same scale regardless of who did it but in that same sense they judge on style/cleanliness/repetition which means that there is some discrepancies between the scores that an individual trick can get. so like, a kickflip technically would have a highest and lowest score that it can potentially get… but if that’s the case some of those things they score on are subjective to the judges and in that case other things need to be accommodated for such as felipe mota’s age, women, and anything else that could potentially change the level of the skating.
i think C robs bitching to kelly had some influence on that high 8.5 for a flick fs board
Hey man great vid, could you talk about the new sls format ?
I feel like, after watxhing this video, that the idea of the new format strengthens your point.
To me runs and best tricks favor different type of skating, and thz more technical skaters could shine in the lines. Now it is all about best tricks. Again as you said it really only benefits the "show" part of SLS, giving us more "eye pleasing", "big tricks", or "american tricks" as we call them in France. Plus the rule of last 4 skaters going forward is only here to make spectacular finishes like they want... sure it is dramatic but man does the scoring and skating suffers.
I feel like one run is useless, cuz most of the skaters that had 3 good scores, weel had 3 best trick scores.
I think even the judges have gotten sick of nyjah winning every event with the same tricks
nollie heel noseblunt should have also been scored higher imo
Damn right. The bullshit is the judges penalize Jah for consistently being clutch and consistent. He has won many contest doing that nollie heel nose blunt. It's absolutely effed up to low ball him especially since no other skater is doing his specific set of bangers. Until the other pros do his tricks he shouldn't be underscored.
That was nuts
Appreciate you explaining your arguments rather than just ranting comparing tricks done on the past really gives some perspective! Keep it up 👍
Nyjah got screwed. When I saw him land that I automatically thought that was AT LEAST a 9.2. AT LEAST.
babe wake up, new gifted hater video
Felipe Mota actually did the kick flip front blunt in the qualifying round for this event. Cant remember what it scored but dont think it was better than 8.5.
Did you watch the video
You mean fs handflip?
@@Chillehhhh Yeah, it showed him kickflip front blunt the event at P-Rods. That was the qualifier for this event. I'm saying he literally did that same trick at this event during the prelim qualifier for the finals. I'm not gonna go back and watch the prelims again but I dont think he got better than 8.5.
babe wake up gifted hater posted
I would love to see a methodical (possibly numerical) break down of SLS judging and it's evolution over the years. And possible biases that might emerge from deep inspection.
Anyone actually care enough to do this though? Lol
The problem is, they do not reveal 'how' tricks are scored. Which is the first problem with the whole scoring. They should have fixed scores for specific tricks, but somehow I doubt they even have that. Add modifiers to when it was sketchy landed, toe touched etc. If two skaters land the same trick clean, they deserve the same score. That's problem number two.
That gustavo sound bite insert made my day. LOL
Watching you from Bucharest Romania! Much love for these videos man!!! Makes my morning!!!
Ok dude take my blood but don't hurt my family
1. If you look in the past there have been 9 club scores without using the biggest obstacles in the course. However they involved flip in + flip out.
2. If you disagree with Rayssa getting the 8.2 than you must also disagree with standard rail tricks (no flip in/out) getting 7's.
Change the rules so that once a skater lands a trick on a particular obstacle they can’t attempt another trick on it. The handrail would still get the most points probably, but at least there’d be some more variety and it would be more interesting for viewers.
We wanna see nyjah evolve so doing a trick back in 2012 is diluted
I wanna see a full cab flip nose grind
agree. hes done that trick before 10 years ago but at the same time gifted haters point is good. they shouldve made them tie up an done 1 more round for sudden death
Okay then why haven’t the other skaters evolved to his level then
Not sure not my problem
@@ghostgore2.0 nyjah did some tricks 10 years ago that he cannot do today.
nobody is on nyjahs level as far as street skating but nyjah is human so he does make mistakes like all of us
the only skater who will ever be on nyjahs level will have to be trained since birth with the sole purpose of being the best skater in the world.
nyjah was forced to skate and lived a very strict life. his dad pushed him to his limits and beyond.
i think in the next few years we will see another nyjah but so far no contenders.
@@tonycruise still no excuses if can’t skate you can’t skate
The scoring system used in sls is marketed to events with the intention of generating the most hype at a skate comp, while they also assure that its a fair system. It’s an inherently imprecise system, and admittedly biased, so the diff between 0.5 points only really matters past every full point, hence its “nine club” not “nine point five” club. I think its only as fair as it can be within a game that has more stakeholders than the ones skating. Game of SKATE format is the complete opposite in terms of who seizes control of generating that hype; it becomes the skaters themselves performing, not the arena, stage/production, announcers, corporate sponsors etc. Would love to see an SLS-style SKATE format alongside Berrics.
The worse part of the SLS judging is that they are egemonising sk8board. Listen, the top 4 had every one 3 trick with some sort of 360 body movement. Like, the finals dont show much cuz other guys didnt got there, but on prelims, Felipe G made a switch front flip tailslide and got 8, louie lopez was and Mcclung also got "robbed". Sls are only rewarding one style of sk8boarding. And the new format will make things worse.
edit: dont excuse ur self for making money out of your work. ;-)
Bro its not that serious get of the copium
Maybe it should be more like gymnastics with clear reasons for score and a separate event for a bunch of different obstacles as well an overall winner for all the obstacles.
Gustavo's nosegrind flip out was soo clean
true
Excellent research on the part where you compare the points
its cus crob complained so they started giving higher points
😂
Yeah.. we can't have it both ways. I see both points though but I kinda agree with crob. If the woman's contest have a lower skill ceiling it's fine and it might be scored differently. It's a different contest. The highest possible score should be the best possible trick with the best possible execution in that contest. If the skill ceiling goes up we should move the point up too. But the contest should be transparent about it and not just bend the rules as they like it.
@@SUB0SCORION that is why its just better to not be subjective and just add a point or 2 if its a girl but there has to be a formula. not just let the little girl win because it makes more money
@@tonycruise I agree subjectivity kills the point of the contest. Before the contest they should tell us that a kickflip front board can worth from 6-8.6 depending on the execution and obstacle for women and 5-7.4 for men or something similar for every trick. (I realise that there is an, infinite combination) Or just some tricks and these trick pointy would act as examples
@@SUB0SCORION judging is usually on point but i realized there are some moments where judging is either rigged or really bad. like the time kevin hoeffler did a kickflip krooked grind and got like a 9.5 and nyjah did a kickflip back tail same obstacle and got a lower score or the same score. Nyjah was mad that day so he did a tre flip lip in a clutch moment and won.
i knew a cariuma skater had to win, the gifted hater opened our minds to the true and possible scenarios of rigged sports in skating. what a coincidence yuto was nowhere to be seen to take first again.
just like leticia faced only easy opponents in the red bull cup so she can win since she skates for red bull
and same with trent mcclung winning an etnies sponsored event
Love your videos Man. Skateboarding needs this. Keep doing what you're doing
My favorite street league was when Luan finally won, but it was on the course he helped designed lol
I think the handrail thing started back when malto was in street league getting mad consistent score doing mainly grinds ain’t nothing wrong with it but I get what you saying
Ribeiro used the hubba and scored 9s. The rail is used more because a tre flip nose blunt is fkn knarly and is harder in general. O'Neill is my favourite skater, but is crumbling like a badly cooked Anzac biscuit these days on the comp floor.
suciu did the like bump to rail thing from the outside to front smith in the prelims for men. was pretty cool
Couldn't believe it when I saw the cab flip back lip get scored, even less so when a tre noseblunt gets scored a 9.4. It's a hard trick sure but like, I thought it was more in the 9.1-2 range considering all the other tricks that had been done and how they were scored. So yeah Jah got robbed, he's won at times he shouldn't but this one he 100% deserved to win
It was a perfect tre flip noseblunt...
@@skamarfire That cab lip was too
I'm certain a tre flip noseblunt was done in SLS previously, no? Would be interesting to see how that scored.
I've watched most of them and I can't think of it being done on the big rail at any of the competitions. In prelims for the SLC contest David Reyes did it on the hubba going down the 5, but I can't recall seeing it on a big handrail other than Gustavo pulling it in this most recent contest. I could be wrong though.
@@hateatchee7508 yukito aiko did it in sls think it was 2019 and im sure it’s been done before in fact I think ribeiro has done it in sls before
scored very low because that day gustavo and 2 or 3 other people were trying tre flip nose blunt or overcrook variatons so they were scoring anything with a treflip into it very low, its the one where the spanish guy Caro also competed
@@hateatchee7508 Ivan Monteiro did it on a much smaller rail if you search tre flip noseblunt SLS
couldn't agree more with the handrail theory. Like bruh felipe gustavo doing a switch flip back tail shove it out and getting like a 8.8 is ridiculous. that trick is sooo incredibly technical and fucked up down this hub and should at least get a 9.4 or something imo
Good point on the handrail. When I watched the Olympics I was thinking the same thing. Everything went down on that gap to rail.
not just scoring on handrails, its easier to be more consistent on handrails that is why everyone hits handrails. its harder to land tricks consistently off big stairs.
rise and grind there's a new gifted hater vid
My EXACT thought when I saw the 8.9 score for nyjah’s full cab flip board was, “they must be scoring it low cause he does it all the time.” Maybe they scored it low because they know it’s a trick in his bag and it wasn’t that surprising?
I know my argument has flaws but I feel like I’m close on to how they probably felt.
@@Ooo0990 I agree. But there are clear flaws and biases in the judging
while i dont know all the details how scoring in the gymnastics and diving work but i think it should be implemented in competition skateboarding. so each trick gets a predetermined difficulty score and then the judges judge for the execution. obviously they are doing something like this already but its not formalized in any kind of way and that leads to competitors not being judged properly. it would take some of the excitement away since you would know what was coming up since stuff had to be called in advance but that wouldn't be all bad since it would avoid a situation when somebody goes for one type of grind but lands another one.
it comes to a point were sls might have to have an exact score for a every trick and add scores together for a combo while also considering the execution of the trick maybe differing score increases depending on the obstacle they do a trick on
SL is my least favourite skate contest. I stopped watching it years ago because I just got angry at the judging more than enjoying the skating. Totally agree that the format prioritises drama over fairness.
Best thing that ever happened in SL was when Leticia jock Bufoni obnoxiously celebrated "winning" before the contest was even finished and then Aori Nishimura stomped her last trick and won it. That did bring me a lot of joy haha
Vincent milou did a kickflip front lip the same way as pamela
When you can agree with someone you dislike shows a lot of humility and shows you care about your arguments and not who the argument is aimed at. Now this is a channel
Not a huge Nyjah fan but dang robbed that fullcab flip slide was perfect.
They should make a tricks score list for each obstacle to be more consistent
Your uploads make my day better!
Stumbled across ur channel after the Sean Shawn Sean shean bullshit. Like the content dude. Just subscribed.
I think it’s a general thing in judging to judge relative to the scores they’ve given before in the individual contest. This is why, sometimes, phenomenal first runs are judged a little more conservatively to leave room for the many more runs to come that could be at or above that caliber.
Rayssa is literally just a marketing tool for dyrdek to feed off
She is basically known for being sky brown's best friend, they knew there would be more publicity for a win from her than the other chick and more of a celebration
It actually really bugs me that they try to score the women's and men's comps on the same scale. Like why? Adjust the scale to the level they can skate at.
Who makes the scale?
@@killmonger4169 presumably sls as an organization?
I was baffled how in 2019 leticia bufoni did a front lip and the other girl did a back board on the same thing and won. Like they said the Bs board was cleaner but that would imply the easier trick done better is objectively better than a way harder trick done slightly less than perfect. Shit makes no sense.
Originally the beanie over the headphones (still crazy) caught my attention but the backgrounds have been my recent area of focus
the beanie is revolutionary
Maybe they should consider a judging system similar to the one in artistic gymnastics. It's obviously not fair either, since humans are judging it and the big nations got their hands in it. But maybe something like this would work better:
Every basic trick has a base score. On top of this you get a score for execution which has a maximum number (e.g. 10) and deductions are made for e.g. hand drags, sketchy landings or un clean form (e.g. impossibles that are not wrapped or grabs that are only touched and not grabbed). So you set the deduction for the different tricks like e.g. off axis landing is - 1 point etc. based on this you can score consistently the same for the same "mistakes" etc.
Congrats on the win Carlos!
YO! Congrats on starting a Patreon! God forbid you try to make a living/ secondary income utilizing your hobby/passion. Dumb people are dumb. Keep it up man!
Nyjah got scored too low. Which is weird cuz in the past he would always get scored higher than other skaters even when his tricks weren't as good. I remember luan once hit a HUGE switch big heel flip off a ramp and didn't even get a 9 for it. Meanwhile nyjah would get 9s for the dumbest shit. It's never made sense to me.
a flip into a rail trick will ALWAYS be harder than a blunt slide. Nyjah always does that trick. Judges have seen that trick a lot.
I agree I wanna see more creative tricks than tricks over a huge gap or rail
Would love to hear your take on the demise of the run section. Down from 2 to 1. And now runs seems like a warm up for best trick rather than key to their final score. Keep going this way we could end up with no course at all... just two hand rails and 5 best trick attempts 🤷♂️.
Should the competition split like vert at the X Games with a run comp and separate best trick comp?
yes, taking away the extra run made it seem very rushed. I didn't like it.
I remember when Street League didn't even have a run section, but rather multiple best trick sections on different obstacles. In the beginning there would be like a tech section that was just a ledge, and all the skaters would have a few tries to pull their best shit on it. Once that was over they'd move to like a line section with maybe 2 small sets of stairs. Do one trick on the first set, then a second trick on the second set. Finally once that was over they'd move to the big section. I really miss it being done that way, it gave skaters like PJ Ladd a time to shine in competition.
I think Gustavo got extra points on that tre nose blunt because of the stakes and how he clutched such a high level trick
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Everything this dude said is spot on. Consistency is the most important thing. Stoked to see Rayssa win but just coz it was clutch or just coz she's a kid or just coz she's popular now isn't a reason to get the W. And it's a good thing the womens are scored the same as the mens. A trick should be scored the same regardless of who did it. And the judges fucked up bigtime just to build the hype.
honestly nyjah got robbed on the 8.9. not saying he deserved the win necessarily, but the 8.9 for a cab flip front lip is a JOKE.
If he got a fair score on his nollieheel noseblunt and the cabflip lip it would atleast feel fair if he still didnt win
@@Makabert.Abylon yeah I don't care if it was enough to win, Ribeiro definitely put out and deserves the win, but it's clearly scored wrong so it's a bad taste that comes with it.
The first front blunt was cleaner, I think it’s odd that the difference in score was so small though