People tend to forget that range is hugely affected by the amount of noise in your environment. If you're flying in a relatively RF-quiet environment you can expect to get far more range than if you're in a noisy one. This probably goes a long way towards explaining why some folk get good range and some get poor range, even when using identical setups. The other thing to remember is that lower frequencies (868/900MHz) carry further so can be affected by noise sources that are further away than would be the case with 2.4GHz. Clearly there's not a hell of a lot of activity on these lower frequencies around where you fly Nikola, so you are lucky. I suspect that there are some places in the world where you'd be lucky to get to the end of a football field before things started getting bad. By the way, why did you edit out the parts of the video where you collided with manned aircraft and brought down airliners with your "drone". We're constantly being told that this *will* happen if you fly over 400ft AGL and/or BVLOS so we know you edited the video ;-)
That is true... but I get the same results flying around the city where things are anything BUT quiet! Thing is... 868Mhz is legal around here and there is nothing on it... 915Mhz is not exactly permitted... but nothing is happening there as well! So yeah... I do enjoy that fact and the range it allows! Will be doing some tests on a racing copter and lower to the ground soon... so we will see how things will change! And yes, Bruce, you are correct... so many casualties during these flights... it is insane... and yet... I've downed so many piloted aircraft with the Talon GT... but it still survives... that ZOHD foam is damn tough... goes through planes like a knife through butter at room temperature! ;) :D
I think that part of the spectrum is going to be progressively wiped out as more IOT (LoRa) devices come on line. Even though their packet sizes are generally fairly small and transmitted in chirp spread spectrum, there is still only a limited bandwidth available, especially with potentially tens of thousands or millions in a city and up to 30km radius beyond. It depends initially on uptake, but LoRa is making its way into literally everything in Australia and the world, as phone picocells, gateways and end nodes, sensor devices etc. They are already in everything from from bus shelters to parking meters and anything imaginable in between, the only escape may be a reduced density in remote area's, (until farmers start monitoring crops in live feed grid array's) but many systems are also now being utilised in rural area's for their amazing long range potential with secure end to end performance and running at automated, potentially higher power levels. As Bruce says, the interference can carry further, especially as the sources are designed that way.. Given time it will inevitably take out 433mHz, 2.4gHz and 5.8gHz. Basically all ISM bands are up for grabs once saturation point hits.
That is the penalty for the people that fly around and inside the airports and approach area. I am also an air traffic controller and if the pilot spots one and he decides not to proceed with his approach you have no idea how complicated situation this becomes and sometimes safety wise dangerous. Now outside the aerodrome zone, up to 1km altitude, (i am using km but is not the measurement of altitude in all the countries) you might encounter fire fighting aircrafts, police aircrafts, search and rescue and small aircrafts / microlights. Those aircrafts are in higher risk and usually are in priority if they are having operations A. Noone will ever find you if you crash on them but lets be responsible adults here and try not to endager other people or damage property. Unless you will fly long range no need to go that high and you can plan your route in "safe" areas
@@alasdair4161 Correct... which is why I believe that if governments are going to make us register (and pay for the privilege of flying drones/RCmodels then they should set aside some dedicated spetrum for control and video links. I don't mind paying... *IF* I'm getting something for my money but the current strategy of turning a freedom into a privilege and charging for it is unacceptable.
Came here for the range test to see how my FrSky friends are doing (I fly ELRS) and was absolutely ASTONISHED by the range that this little plane can get, I think it's about time I picked one up!
Low RF clutter environment, low wind, warm, dry conditions...it all helps...Oh, and flying at 11,000 feet probably helps with the distance too...lol...Agreed on the DJI Camera, that's pretty impressive image stabilisation...Looks like you need to turn the Roll gain down a bit..
Well... RF was clear... but wind was not low... and those clouds in the second flight were quite wet!!! Yes, will also have to turn the roll down a bit for sure, will do before the next outing! Altitude does help... but that is a way to get max distance from the battery as well! Besides... it is really hard to do low altitude range testing around here... it is all hills and mountains!
Love this one even though Im a tbs fan and have been helped so much by tbs, I couldn't dare test one myself. I gatta say the zohd talon GT2 is still my fav wing.. And still fits in its original packaging for easy transportation. Great video, Huge credit due also to the OSIMO My God NOW THAT'S how u stabilize an image.. Mad respekt as always brother and ty for sharing! ❤️👍 talon GT2 mile high club! ✋😁
Personally my max range is 11km at 1W/Auto but that was the vTx max range and it was below 120m/400ft. So I have no doubts about the range of this system at 4km altitude even at 200mW
@ Bass.Boi - all links are in the video description, and a full parts list is available in my blog, the link for which is also in the video description! @ Darcy - well... I can only go about 5kms at 100 meters of altitude before I end up behind a hill or something... the terrain around Sofia is like that... no large flat ground!
@Bass.Boi if you are asking me I was using EXUAV Pro 600mW with the Aomway Diamond Double BiQuad patch and a dipole on the plane. I think ArxAngel agrees the Diamond is one of the best linear patches, right? Though I see you're using the big triple feed patch now? Is it better or just using it for the circular polarisation?
I did my own accidental range test today. I forgot I was running at 100mW but I managed to get 7km at 60m altitude before I got a failsafe. So thats given me heaps of faith in the system
Same distance on 100mw with flex firmware and telemetry @1km altitude. Never reached same distance on this power level, seems like the conditions where perfect on this day.
Will have to do a lower altitude test, problem is... there aren't any large flat pieces of land close to where I fly... it is all hills and mountains... so I do have to go up!!!
Your videos are great! Been binge watching them. Have you considered upgrading the mic you use for your voice? It's a bit fuzzy and I think the videos could benefit from higher audio quality. Good voice mics are pretty cheap, too.
Well I used to record on my phone directly... a while back I got a Rode smartphone mic... and that seemed to make it sound a lot better... not sure where to go next!
@@ArxangelRC Maybe it has an issue or has something to do with the encoding. There's some clear distortion when your voice reaches higher pitches. Could also just be mic positioning - is it possible that as you speak you're blowing into the mic at all? Cheap windscreens/foam covers do a great job correcting for that. Just googled it and apparently the Rode mic can have issues with electrical and radio interference depending on the phone. This mic + a couple of foam covers has been pretty great to me: www.amazon.com/Sony-ECMCS3-Omnidirectional-Stereo-Microphone/dp/B0058MJX4O I've seen LGR use it on his channel, too. Surprisingly robust $20 mic. Wouldn't easily connect to a cell phone though.
@@JasononaBike Actually I have it mounted on the bottom of my shirt, and do not talk into it directly! Also, I put my phone into airplane mode during the recordings, because I have noticed this buzzing effect otherwise! Could try to add an additional layer of foam on it and see if that helps! Have been thinking of getting a condenser mic for my camera... but those things cost quite a bit!!!
Just to be sure, are you using 5.8ghz for video ? That's impressive that it can have so long range I did max 2 km and I got scared because of glitches. Do 5.8ghz video perform better with 915mhz rc link than 2.5ghz rc link, what's your opinion?
I am using a 1200mW AKK Vtx, and yes, 5.8Ghz video! In my experience... both 900Mhz and 2.4Ghz radios work well with 5.8Ghz video, have not seen any issues with either.
Thanks for another great video I love all of them been watching and learning for awhile, I have the R9mm ready to install into my ASW 28, so far all my connections have been with the Futaba style servo connectors with 2.5mm pins, the pins that came with this RX are 2.0mm, seeing I just soldered them on the board I'm now wondering where to buy the connectors and what to ask for?? I know it is a basic question but I am relatively new to the hobbie and only fly fixed wings. Many thanks Adrian in AUS
ArxangelRC I use tubes as well, I think mounting location and angle is super important on the frsky system not nearly as important on crossfire.. just messed with mine and it got a lot better haha thx for the wake up call
Hahaha, yeah, placement is important! It is highly dependant on what interference are other electronics spewing out, so the further away from that that you can get it, the better!
Hey there, What R9mm receiver and module are you using? Pre access or post access? Also what transmitter? Doing research into buying a system and mixed reviews, yours seems to get good distance
Stunning footage! Flying and loosing planes at these distances, maybe adding an autonomous gps tracker is a good investment? Helped me find my ar wing in the middle of nowhere.
Well... I know of two people who did not listen during the video! I specifically said that all antennas are STOCK from over a year ago... back then... there were no tuned antennas, just what came from the factory... which meant regular plastic antenna on the module and the soft flappy antenna on the receiver!
ArxangelRC sorry I just started the hobby a month ago. I didn’t know when the started including the super 8 antenna in the kit. I thought it was stock.
I got to say, that is a super efficient low amp draw. Is that right? What made you go with the 2830 motor and prop, had you done a bunch of testing? How many Mah was your lion pack? Cheers
Actually the current sensor is not calibrated... so that current draw is not accurate! Should roughly twice higher... a bit less... but still... if I remember it correctly! Pack is 6000mAh. Motor was the only viable option I had at hand...
Beautiful country side. Your long distance in the clouds flights are pretty cool. I'm having a tough time finding a place in the US for long distance FPV. Did you ever find the plane you lost in mountains during the winter?
Yeah, Bulgaria is beautiful! Lack of any notable piloted air traffic is also a bonus! No, have not found it yet, but now that the snow is gone and the lift is working all the way to the top, I am planning a trip up there with the Phantom 3 Pro, etc., to try and look for it!
Hello ArxangelRC! I have a question for you, but firstly a want to say that your videos are awesome! What video antenna are you using on your vtx, I am still looking for one that gives me long range. And since I dont have a freestyle aircraft, it does not need to be extra sturdy. Are you using the GEPRC pagoda antenna on the plane?
I have a directional antenna mounted on an antenna tracker, I am using these things on the ground, and the on-board module: MFD Antenna Tracker: www.myflydream.com/products/d-0/349.html MFD TeleflyTiny module: www.myflydream.com/products/d-0/348.html
I have got very similar wing to yours. I am just attempting getting FrSky 9RM module and I wonder what kind of receiver should I pick. I normally use FC board on my plane. Is there a reason that I should stick to standard normal sized (black box, plenty room for these) receivers or since i will use sbus or smart port i can switch to these tiny nano/micro receivers without actually loosing anything? Please advice
Well... to be honest I've not reached the range limit on any R9 receiver size... sooooo... guess you can go with whichever you decide! I've been quite happy with this system!
Just pulled the trigger on a ZOHD Drift with the KoPilot system. Also hoping to use a R9mm receiver that I will flash to ExpressLRS. My question is, how did you set it up with the KoPilot? Via SBUS or through the PWM side? The reason I'm asking is because I have only done this on drones and as such there are four wires coming from the rx, Tx, Rx, Power and Ground.
@@ArxangelRC Anyway possible for you to let me know what version you had on the R9MM and the R9 Module? Having fits with upgrade. Would be great to know what versions you encountered no problems with. Thanks, much!!!
No, I use the telemetry only during the setup phase of the autopilot - first 3-4 flights, then I remove it as I no longer need it! I have all the data I need on the OSD, don't see a reason to mess with the range by enabling the radio telemetry as well!
Fantastic video! I'm curious about your rssi though. I've tried 500mw and dynamic 1w and my rssi drops to about 40 when I'm only 1-2km out. Does it drop that fast for you? I noticed your rssi was about the same when you were 13km out and even at your final distance it hadn't dropped much lower. I've never had a failsafe occur, I'm just afraid to go more than 2km :P
Hey, awesome video! I have many questions but I stick to one. How can you see all the info- hight, speed, distance, temperature, etc, on your monitor screen? Thanks for the answer!:=)
The autopilot I am using has built in OSD module, which essentially takes all of the data the autopilot knows about the flight, and as the video passes through it, overlays it on the video signal, before getting it to the Vtx to send to the ground! :)
Most links for the gear I am using are in the description box under the video! A full parts list is also available in my blog, the link to which is also in there! :)
@@ArxangelRC you can reduce your pids which will make it a little bit twitchy, you should reduce your aileron and elevator radio weights. You want long, slow, and smooth movements on your sticks.
Oh trust me... I've been flying long and high for a long time... my flights ARE smooth... making a turn up there takes 1km to do... perhaps even more sometimes!!!! :)
For the most part, and especially for long range, I use a monitor, the HD02: bit.ly/SkyZone-HD02 As for goggles, I've been using the EV800Ds for years now, and have been super happy with them: www.banggood.com/custlink/KKmh98V4Yb
In this case I am using the FrSky R9M module, which operates on 868Mhz, so it makes no difference what the radio is, the module does the transmitting... so you should get the same results, in the same conditions, no matter what radio you connect it to!
Hey, was your crash caused by the esc low voltage cutoff? Or do you know of a way to disable/lower that while the esc is still connected to the flight controller? I’m using a liion pack in my talon gt rebel and I found out today that it starts cutting throttle at about 3.2v.
Well for LiIon the ESC should cut ideally at around 2.8v per cell... which for instance the HobbyWing ESCs do when set to the "low" voltage cut off option! I think it was the ESC that cut off... but it cut off around 2.8 or 3v, which is OK... the battery is indeed empty at that time anyway! Problem was an empty battery... not the ESC cut off!
Hello, the video is already older i know, just asking if you would share your inav settings fot the Talon GT i´m trying to sort out some isues, hopes it helps me find it better, thanks and greetings from Austria :-)
Do you rate this pagoda 2 antenna with antenna lines of tbs triumph. I am still looking for the best antenna for akk 1.2w. Look forward to the help. Great video :D
It doesn't come near the ground, on this plane there is a spot there to mount gear on the wing, which is provided by design! I put the antenna wires in plastic tubes, and just friction fit it in the foam, no glue, so I can easily remove it.
@@ArxangelRC Hey thanks for the quick response. I was also asking TBS about your antenna orientation and they agree this is best as well. My second wing I'm not able to the this. I have the antenna vertical but I had to run the ground portion parallel to the wing spar. Is this bad compromise for range?
Well... not sure... but it could be a problem... it will still work... just might suffer some range penalty... though how big of a penalty... only testing will tell!
Nikola, I have an issue with my FPV setup and I hope you could help. Using 1,2W AKK ultimate x2 and triple patch helical I cannot get more than 3km. Funny enough at 3km the video goes blank but the OSD stays intact. Any ideas? I fly at Bankya where noise should not be an issue.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you can still see the OSD, then the video system is working... I have no idea why would the image go away! Does it come back when you come closer to home point?
@@ArxangelRC It sure does. Few days ago I saw another youtube video where all 5.8ghz setups blackout at 3kms for some time and then the video appears a bit later. Do you have solid video all the way?
I'm interested in going to r9 system , I actually have the tx module already but no Rx yet, I wouldn't want 20km though I am quite happy flying fairly close but need more pentration through trees etc..
Hello! My frsky taranis x9d plus stopped working out of nowhere! Is there a way to copy the configs of the planes to an SD card to use them on a new radio? Thanks a lot!! Luckily my plane survived thanks to ardupilot and the config tutorials in this channel!
Good to know mate! Actually if you have an SD card in the radio, I think your models should be saved to it, so you can just move it over to another X9D.
@@ArxangelRC thanks for the answer. Sadly no SD card and the damn thing won't start up anymore. Will watch some more CZcams until I can repair it, I guess 👌
@@j7... Well darn... if you don't have an SD card you will need to bring it back to life if you want to move out your models! Lets hope main memory is not compromised! Good luck!
@@ArxangelRC thanks alot. I will definetly try as it's quite expensive :) bought a new one for the meantime though. The weather is too nice in my area to leave the planes at home.
I've never flown the AR900... and we are talking about comparing it to a flying wing... I'd probably guess that this one gets tossed around a lot less, because it has a lot less surface area to get blown by wind! :)
Very good video. One question: I have a Phoenix 2400 simple glider. What to do to go on my mountains far 20 km from my house ? Do you have a video that explain the whole process to transform a simple glider as yhe phoenix in a mid range fpv plane ? Will be a big gift for people like me with no experience in fpv flight but the dream to visit the mountain on a plane ! Thank you man, very good video !
That is an interesting idea! I might do that... though first I will have to test if my Phoenix 2400 will actually do 20kms out and back... but the gear is pretty much the same as on this plane... just have to make sure the plane itself can carry enough batteries for the distance and time required!
@@ArxangelRC great ! Please do it for me and my friend. He is waiting for his Phoenix and both want visit our big mountain. You think that our phoenix have worst loading capacity than the zohd talon ?
How come you can fly at such an hight altitude without getting problems with aviation rules. Are there no GA aircraft. In most of Europe this would be impossible. Here is 300 meters max altitude above ground.
That is just stunning !!! I have just yesterday flew for 4km on R9MM on Flex 100mw with telemetry and still got stable 65 RSSI, but my 5,8G video let me down as i don't have any ground station, only 5 turn helical antenna. So i need to figure out how to get further without a ground station. Any suggestions are welcome :-) Like many, i have no idea what are people doing with the R9 stuff when they are getting FS on hundreds of meters. :-D
What is the power of your video transmitter? I'm using an Akk fx ultimate2 on max setting with aomway multi directional and a diamond antenna and I can go pretty easily to 7.5 km at less than 750m in altitude. BTW I'm using a fxt viper.
Well... a higher gain antenna on the ground, pointed at the plane better usually gets you more distance! My Vtx is at 1200mW with a triple feed patch array on the antenna tracker, and I am exceptionally with with this combination! Antenna on the plane is the GEPRC Pagoda 2, links are in the video description!
OK... first things first... the X8R receiver is a 2.4Ghz one, the R9 system operates in the 868-915Mhz band, so the two are incompatible! With the R9M module you should use R9 series receivers! The X8R binds to an FrSky radio directly, or if you do not have one, then to an XJT module inserted in a compatible radio. The furthers I've been with an X8R receiver has been around 8km, but that is with the 5db antenna mod on my Taranis!
@@MarcAntoine01 I want the R9m module to get good range on my FPV racer quad. It's got a 800mW TBS unify so there should be no range issues on the video, I just need good control range to go far
Well... I have not done a comparison test! The idea of the AAT is that it automatically points the antenna at your plane, and as you move around, the antenna follows to maintain maximum reception! You could do without the antenna tracker, but you will have to manually move the antenna around constantly, and the further out you get, it will become ever more difficult to exactly determine where to point it to...
ArxangelRC thanks for you reply. I am hitting the bottleneck of getting longer range on my MiniTalon. Even with 1W 5.8ghz vtx+ helical receiver antenna, I couldn’t get more than 3.5km at the altitude of 200m. Would you think getting an AAT can me extend the range to 10+km?
I'm on the latest flex firmware with super 8 tx antenna and stock receiver antenna and my rssi is all over the place even on 500mw, can go down to 50% in one part of the field, move 20 meters to the left and it's back up to 85% and this isn't even half a km away, is this normal? Furthest I went was 2km but was shitting bricks hoping the YoYo rssi was normal but I don't know any different and defer to the experts....
Definitely doesn't sound normal... although there could be some variation close by... how did it behave when you went out to 2km? Still jumpy, or did it have a more linear behaviour now?
ArxangelRC I'll have to repeat the flight to check but yeah, after I typed I thought why don't I go back to the stock antenna and do some more testing see what happens. Thanks.
ArxangelRC yeah the stock antenna was worse, so I went back to the Super8, when I got home I decided to look closer and while I had the receiver powered on the bench, it died, so I think maybe the receiver was at fault, it was old and had been in a few crashes so chalked it up to shit happens, plus it was kinda floating free under the FC, I've another installed now (which was an RMA exchange for a DOA one lol) but the weather is crap and I haven't had chance to test it yet. This will also allow me to eliminate my tx as the issue too, since I did once power on the R9M module without the antenna on but switched it off really quickly. I also live in a really dirty electronic area (near Gatwick Airport - no it wasn't me and I didn't see a drone either LOL) but in a few weeks I'll be able to check in a nice clean area away from horrible humans and their wireless crap lol.
Hahaha, sounds good! I hope you haven't damaged the module... but it should have some safeguards for this! I haven't powered it on without the antenna... so all is good here! No complaints so far!
i appreciate the fact that you are testing your equipment but are you observing the altitude and distance regulations for model flying in your country?
My video only goes like 400m but got r9 cause I had fail safe while still while having video 🤦♂️ (R-XSR) Now I have to figure out how to get my video out a few KM
@@ArxangelRC all different ones on different drones. Happy model, geprc (cinepro 4k) and just got a pro32 nano to test.. air x2 antenna, paragonda, fox lollipop, manace patch invader.. just got rapid fire to try
@@ArxangelRC quad copter.. With this new drone I built. I got further yesterday with a really crappy vtx antenna (could went further but didn't want to chance getting stuck in trees if I lost video it was getting some static). So I'm going to get a vas minion to replace that and mount it better
Actually filtering the video and getting some separation between the components might help! Copters are a bit tricky that way... no space to spread the components!
@@EnglishTurbines i think for the ~same price some 360 camera like Rylo (if I'm correct) with auto horizon will make the same work. Too many gadgets....
Well I don't have a GoPro 7 to compare... but I am darn impressed by what this camera can do, and from what I've seen around CZcams... for the most part it does do a little better in stabilizing the footage than the GoPro!
@@ArxangelRC I have to admit I know nothing about Bulgaria. But looking at the Jeppesen charts the ATS routes seem to be a bit higher than for instance in germany (often more than 8000 feet) but that is nowhere near 8 km. I looked around a bit and FL260 was class C airspace pretty much everywhere. No way any model flying would be permitted there, even in Bulgaria.Mostly it is above 10000 feet, sometimes down to 7000 - not much different than any other country. And below I guess it is all airspace G but I have to look up the regulations there.
@@ArxangelRC That may be but there is traffic and I am pretty sure that there are designated areas for model flight (like in germany). No way just flying in airspace G can be legal between aircraft that actually carry people - maybe under 500 feet since aircraft are not allowed under 500 feet.
Thing is... around here... I am safer flying above 500 feet, because the few planes we've seen around these parts over the years... have always made sure to come and do a fly by 10 meters above our heads!!!!!!!!!! Besides... we always listen in on the radio control traffic frequencies... and trust me... there is nobody around these parts when I fly!
@@ArxangelRC lol, what's wrong with starting from where you usually fly, all you need for Frensel zone is about 400-500meters of open space in the direction you'll be flying in. DL at 1W should be enough for 5-6km below 100m in a city on stock antennas, in the countryside i've flown around 6km at only 15-20meters after 6km had to go up to 100m till about 11ish km. Around 130meter till about 19-20km after that had to go uppppp :) Me and my cousin had almost identical results in the same area/time he had DLv3, I had DTF UHF with openlrsng. Both on dipole antennas. Crossfire 915mhz at 2watts (keep away from ur balls thought) should yeld the same results afaik, of course if you hit inband rf noise ymmv :) good luck and plz plz plz don't you screw it up for all of us by hitting another airliner ;)
Hahahahahaha, there are no airliners to hit... so you can put that concern to rest! Thing is... with all the hills around here... even if I move 3kms in some direction... I have to go up 300-500 meters above the take off location so I wouldn't hit the terrain at 3kms... and then I have to keep going up so I don't end up behind the hill, which will take me higher over the take off location and even higher above the ground, because now there is a hill between me and the plane! It is not simply a slightly sloping area that spans for many kms.... the terrain is quite jagged!
People tend to forget that range is hugely affected by the amount of noise in your environment. If you're flying in a relatively RF-quiet environment you can expect to get far more range than if you're in a noisy one. This probably goes a long way towards explaining why some folk get good range and some get poor range, even when using identical setups. The other thing to remember is that lower frequencies (868/900MHz) carry further so can be affected by noise sources that are further away than would be the case with 2.4GHz. Clearly there's not a hell of a lot of activity on these lower frequencies around where you fly Nikola, so you are lucky. I suspect that there are some places in the world where you'd be lucky to get to the end of a football field before things started getting bad.
By the way, why did you edit out the parts of the video where you collided with manned aircraft and brought down airliners with your "drone". We're constantly being told that this *will* happen if you fly over 400ft AGL and/or BVLOS so we know you edited the video ;-)
That is true... but I get the same results flying around the city where things are anything BUT quiet! Thing is... 868Mhz is legal around here and there is nothing on it... 915Mhz is not exactly permitted... but nothing is happening there as well! So yeah... I do enjoy that fact and the range it allows! Will be doing some tests on a racing copter and lower to the ground soon... so we will see how things will change! And yes, Bruce, you are correct... so many casualties during these flights... it is insane... and yet... I've downed so many piloted aircraft with the Talon GT... but it still survives... that ZOHD foam is damn tough... goes through planes like a knife through butter at room temperature! ;) :D
I think that part of the spectrum is going to be progressively wiped out as more IOT (LoRa) devices come on line. Even though their packet sizes are generally fairly small and transmitted in chirp spread spectrum, there is still only a limited bandwidth available, especially with potentially tens of thousands or millions in a city and up to 30km radius beyond.
It depends initially on uptake, but LoRa is making its way into literally everything in Australia and the world, as phone picocells, gateways and end nodes, sensor devices etc. They are already in everything from from bus shelters to parking meters and anything imaginable in between, the only escape may be a reduced density in remote area's, (until farmers start monitoring crops in live feed grid array's) but many systems are also now being utilised in rural area's for their amazing long range potential with secure end to end performance and running at automated, potentially higher power levels. As Bruce says, the interference can carry further, especially as the sources are designed that way..
Given time it will inevitably take out 433mHz, 2.4gHz and 5.8gHz. Basically all ISM bands are up for grabs once saturation point hits.
That is the penalty for the people that fly around and inside the airports and approach area. I am also an air traffic controller and if the pilot spots one and he decides not to proceed with his approach you have no idea how complicated situation this becomes and sometimes safety wise dangerous. Now outside the aerodrome zone, up to 1km altitude, (i am using km but is not the measurement of altitude in all the countries) you might encounter fire fighting aircrafts, police aircrafts, search and rescue and small aircrafts / microlights. Those aircrafts are in higher risk and usually are in priority if they are having operations A. Noone will ever find you if you crash on them but lets be responsible adults here and try not to endager other people or damage property. Unless you will fly long range no need to go that high and you can plan your route in "safe" areas
what is a r9m firmware?
@@alasdair4161 Correct... which is why I believe that if governments are going to make us register (and pay for the privilege of flying drones/RCmodels then they should set aside some dedicated spetrum for control and video links. I don't mind paying... *IF* I'm getting something for my money but the current strategy of turning a freedom into a privilege and charging for it is unacceptable.
Came here for the range test to see how my FrSky friends are doing (I fly ELRS) and was absolutely ASTONISHED by the range that this little plane can get, I think it's about time I picked one up!
Hehe, yeah, with the proper battery this thing can go places! I really like the Talon GT!
Low RF clutter environment, low wind, warm, dry conditions...it all helps...Oh, and flying at 11,000 feet probably helps with the distance too...lol...Agreed on the DJI Camera, that's pretty impressive image stabilisation...Looks like you need to turn the Roll gain down a bit..
Well... RF was clear... but wind was not low... and those clouds in the second flight were quite wet!!! Yes, will also have to turn the roll down a bit for sure, will do before the next outing! Altitude does help... but that is a way to get max distance from the battery as well! Besides... it is really hard to do low altitude range testing around here... it is all hills and mountains!
thanks for the video. Preordered a x20 tandem and a R9 Rx and your video came up when searching for range. Great flight!
Thanks, appreciate it!
Love it. Super quality. Thanks for sharing.
Greats from North KURDISTAN
Thank you! Glad you like it! :)
Love this one even though Im a tbs fan and have been helped so much by tbs, I couldn't dare test one myself. I gatta say the zohd talon GT2 is still my fav wing.. And still fits in its original packaging for easy transportation. Great video, Huge credit due also to the OSIMO My God NOW THAT'S how u stabilize an image.. Mad respekt as always brother and ty for sharing! ❤️👍 talon GT2 mile high club! ✋😁
Haha, thanks mate! Indeed the camera is very good, and I do love the plane as well! ZOHD did a great job with it!
@@ArxangelRC hell yea they did
:)
Personally my max range is 11km at 1W/Auto but that was the vTx max range and it was below 120m/400ft. So I have no doubts about the range of this system at 4km altitude even at 200mW
What VTX are you using, please? And antennas? i got only 4km with 5 turn helical and ewrf on 600mw :-(
@ Bass.Boi - all links are in the video description, and a full parts list is available in my blog, the link for which is also in the video description!
@ Darcy - well... I can only go about 5kms at 100 meters of altitude before I end up behind a hill or something... the terrain around Sofia is like that... no large flat ground!
@@ArxangelRC Yeah I was flying along a beach, even over the water for the last bit so I really can't complain about obstacles
@Bass.Boi if you are asking me I was using EXUAV Pro 600mW with the Aomway Diamond Double BiQuad patch and a dipole on the plane. I think ArxAngel agrees the Diamond is one of the best linear patches, right? Though I see you're using the big triple feed patch now? Is it better or just using it for the circular polarisation?
I did my own accidental range test today. I forgot I was running at 100mW but I managed to get 7km at 60m altitude before I got a failsafe. So thats given me heaps of faith in the system
excellent flight, and well done on beating previous max range
Thank you! :)
Same distance on 100mw with flex firmware and telemetry @1km altitude.
Never reached same distance on this power level, seems like the conditions where perfect on this day.
Will have to do a lower altitude test, problem is... there aren't any large flat pieces of land close to where I fly... it is all hills and mountains... so I do have to go up!!!
Awesome flight. Silky smooth footage. Love it cheers :)
Thanks mate! :)
I can barely go around the corner with mines...but then I do live in the city. Nice vid
Haha, well... I have done some great distances from within the city, flying outwards! :)
Great video footage, the camera so smooth 👍
Thank you!
Your videos are great! Been binge watching them.
Have you considered upgrading the mic you use for your voice? It's a bit fuzzy and I think the videos could benefit from higher audio quality. Good voice mics are pretty cheap, too.
Well I used to record on my phone directly... a while back I got a Rode smartphone mic... and that seemed to make it sound a lot better... not sure where to go next!
@@ArxangelRC Maybe it has an issue or has something to do with the encoding. There's some clear distortion when your voice reaches higher pitches. Could also just be mic positioning - is it possible that as you speak you're blowing into the mic at all? Cheap windscreens/foam covers do a great job correcting for that.
Just googled it and apparently the Rode mic can have issues with electrical and radio interference depending on the phone.
This mic + a couple of foam covers has been pretty great to me: www.amazon.com/Sony-ECMCS3-Omnidirectional-Stereo-Microphone/dp/B0058MJX4O
I've seen LGR use it on his channel, too. Surprisingly robust $20 mic. Wouldn't easily connect to a cell phone though.
@@JasononaBike Actually I have it mounted on the bottom of my shirt, and do not talk into it directly! Also, I put my phone into airplane mode during the recordings, because I have noticed this buzzing effect otherwise! Could try to add an additional layer of foam on it and see if that helps! Have been thinking of getting a condenser mic for my camera... but those things cost quite a bit!!!
Just to be sure, are you using 5.8ghz for video ? That's impressive that it can have so long range I did max 2 km and I got scared because of glitches. Do 5.8ghz video perform better with 915mhz rc link than 2.5ghz rc link, what's your opinion?
I think it's the 2w akk
I am using a 1200mW AKK Vtx, and yes, 5.8Ghz video! In my experience... both 900Mhz and 2.4Ghz radios work well with 5.8Ghz video, have not seen any issues with either.
Thanks for another great video I love all of them been watching and learning for awhile, I have the R9mm ready to install into my ASW 28, so far all my connections have been with the Futaba style servo connectors with 2.5mm pins, the pins that came with this RX are 2.0mm, seeing I just soldered them on the board I'm now wondering where to buy the connectors and what to ask for?? I know it is a basic question but I am relatively new to the hobbie and only fly fixed wings.
Many thanks Adrian in AUS
Thank you! :) You need un-assembled 2.54mm servo connectors?
How the??? I’m lucky if I can go 300 yards LOS lol what antenna on the mm?
he mentions stock dipole inside plastic tube
Israel Chagollan thx mayne
Yeah, stock antennas all around! Just put it in a plastic tube to make mounting easier and make it a bit sturdier!
ArxangelRC I use tubes as well, I think mounting location and angle is super important on the frsky system not nearly as important on crossfire.. just messed with mine and it got a lot better haha thx for the wake up call
Hahaha, yeah, placement is important! It is highly dependant on what interference are other electronics spewing out, so the further away from that that you can get it, the better!
Hey there,
What R9mm receiver and module are you using? Pre access or post access? Also what transmitter? Doing research into buying a system and mixed reviews, yours seems to get good distance
My radio is a first generation X9D Taranis, and module and receiver are very PRE-ACCESS!!
Awesome Video. And sorry in advanced if I am asking something already asked but did you have 21KM range on video link? If so, what did you use?
Yes, I did! The video with the OSD overlay on it is recorded on the ground! Links for the gear I am using are in the description of the video!
Stunning footage! Flying and loosing planes at these distances, maybe adding an autonomous gps tracker is a good investment? Helped me find my ar wing in the middle of nowhere.
Yeah... have thought about that, and will have to get it done at some point! :)
Is there no way to get the coordinates where your drone landed with any app? A "find my drone" option?
If I put a GPS tracker in it, there would be! :)
Nice cloud video...
What is your height at the furthest distance. The osd shows 2526, is it height in meter??
Yes, it is in meters! Should be about right!
Did you have the Super 8 on the module?
I'm curious about this too.
Well... I know of two people who did not listen during the video! I specifically said that all antennas are STOCK from over a year ago... back then... there were no tuned antennas, just what came from the factory... which meant regular plastic antenna on the module and the soft flappy antenna on the receiver!
ArxangelRC sorry I just started the hobby a month ago. I didn’t know when the started including the super 8 antenna in the kit. I thought it was stock.
Might be stock now... wasn't back when I got my system! :)
I got to say, that is a super efficient low amp draw. Is that right? What made you go with the 2830 motor and prop, had you done a bunch of testing? How many Mah was your lion pack? Cheers
Actually the current sensor is not calibrated... so that current draw is not accurate! Should roughly twice higher... a bit less... but still... if I remember it correctly! Pack is 6000mAh. Motor was the only viable option I had at hand...
You are awesome man🤘🏻🤘🏻👌🏻👍👍 please make a video on long range system🙏🏻
Which one?
Increasing range by using wi fii booster
I am not using a WiFi booster...
Beautiful country side. Your long distance in the clouds flights are pretty cool. I'm having a tough time finding a place in the US for long distance FPV. Did you ever find the plane you lost in mountains during the winter?
Yeah, Bulgaria is beautiful! Lack of any notable piloted air traffic is also a bonus! No, have not found it yet, but now that the snow is gone and the lift is working all the way to the top, I am planning a trip up there with the Phantom 3 Pro, etc., to try and look for it!
Hello ArxangelRC! I have a question for you, but firstly a want to say that your videos are awesome! What video antenna are you using on your vtx, I am still looking for one that gives me long range. And since I dont have a freestyle aircraft, it does not need to be extra sturdy. Are you using the GEPRC pagoda antenna on the plane?
Thanks mate! Yes, I am using the GEP on the plane, links of most of the gear is in the video description, so check it out!
@@ArxangelRC Thank you! I will use your links, keep up the awesome videos :)
Awesome mate, much appreciated! :)
Wow! Well done.
Thanks! :)
That range is amazing!
Yup! :)
@arxangelrc are you doing this with 5.8ghz video? If so, are you also using a ground station or just goggles?
I have a directional antenna mounted on an antenna tracker, I am using these things on the ground, and the on-board module:
MFD Antenna Tracker: www.myflydream.com/products/d-0/349.html
MFD TeleflyTiny module: www.myflydream.com/products/d-0/348.html
I have got very similar wing to yours. I am just attempting getting FrSky 9RM module and I wonder what kind of receiver should I pick. I normally use FC board on my plane. Is there a reason that I should stick to standard normal sized (black box, plenty room for these) receivers or since i will use sbus or smart port i can switch to these tiny nano/micro receivers without actually loosing anything?
Please advice
Well... to be honest I've not reached the range limit on any R9 receiver size... sooooo... guess you can go with whichever you decide! I've been quite happy with this system!
Just pulled the trigger on a ZOHD Drift with the KoPilot system. Also hoping to use a R9mm receiver that I will flash to ExpressLRS. My question is, how did you set it up with the KoPilot? Via SBUS or through the PWM side? The reason I'm asking is because I have only done this on drones and as such there are four wires coming from the rx, Tx, Rx, Power and Ground.
You can't do PWM with this receiver, besides, SBUS is a lot more convenient - only 1 cable!
Hi, could you tell me what version you have in the R9MM and module R9?
Not the latest, and it is not the Flex one... not sure which one though!
@@ArxangelRC Anyway possible for you to let me know what version you had on the R9MM and the R9 Module? Having fits with upgrade. Would be great to know what versions you encountered no problems with. Thanks, much!!!
How much mah battery used please reply
I did use most of the battery! :)
Intresting but why you using a separate"micro telemetry set" to get the downlink telemetry? That receiver is telemetry capable, isn it?
No, I use the telemetry only during the setup phase of the autopilot - first 3-4 flights, then I remove it as I no longer need it! I have all the data I need on the OSD, don't see a reason to mess with the range by enabling the radio telemetry as well!
Fantastic video! I'm curious about your rssi though. I've tried 500mw and dynamic 1w and my rssi drops to about 40 when I'm only 1-2km out.
Does it drop that fast for you? I noticed your rssi was about the same when you were 13km out and even at your final distance it hadn't dropped much lower. I've never had a failsafe occur, I'm just afraid to go more than 2km :P
The RSSI drops progressively as I fly out... but I am using 200mW, not the flex firmware as I am not using telemetry!
@@ArxangelRC so using telemetry has an effect on range ?
@@chrisnoren777 Yes!
Won't there be any planes at the place where he was flying? Won't that cause an accident?
Not really!
You really love your clouds, don't you? :-)
Indeed I do! More coming soon!
Hey, awesome video! I have many questions but I stick to one.
How can you see all the info- hight, speed, distance, temperature, etc, on your monitor screen?
Thanks for the answer!:=)
The autopilot I am using has built in OSD module, which essentially takes all of the data the autopilot knows about the flight, and as the video passes through it, overlays it on the video signal, before getting it to the Vtx to send to the ground! :)
May I know which country is this?
Bulgaria
Hey man. What flight time do you get with a 4s2p li-ion which I presume ur using in this vid? Thanks for your incredible content
I think on the Talon GT it was close to an hour!
@@ArxangelRC awesome dude
Hi, Thanks for the video . What is your Video Transmitter and video receiver that supports this 20K range ?
Most links for the gear I am using are in the description box under the video! A full parts list is also available in my blog, the link to which is also in there! :)
You should try programming in a little differential in your ailerons. It may help with oscillation by not having so much drag under the wing.
That is an idea... but I will also dial back the roll PIDs a bit to calm it down! Should be an easy enough job to do! :)
@@ArxangelRC you can reduce your pids which will make it a little bit twitchy, you should reduce your aileron and elevator radio weights. You want long, slow, and smooth movements on your sticks.
Oh trust me... I've been flying long and high for a long time... my flights ARE smooth... making a turn up there takes 1km to do... perhaps even more sometimes!!!! :)
Great video! Can I ask what is you goggle equipment?
Thank you
For the most part, and especially for long range, I use a monitor, the HD02: bit.ly/SkyZone-HD02
As for goggles, I've been using the EV800Ds for years now, and have been super happy with them: www.banggood.com/custlink/KKmh98V4Yb
Thanks
Thank you! Much appreciated! :)
Do you have to watch out for passenger airplanes in the sky, when you fly that high?
Not really! There aren't any! But I do have an ADSB receiver setup and I keep an eye out just in case!
Awesome video! Brilliant!
Thanks! :)
Do you have iNav PID settings for your GT Rebel posted somewhere?
Not using iNav on it!
if I duplicated the gear you are using should I expect to see similar results using a Trannis qx7 that I already have? *** great videos ***
In this case I am using the FrSky R9M module, which operates on 868Mhz, so it makes no difference what the radio is, the module does the transmitting... so you should get the same results, in the same conditions, no matter what radio you connect it to!
@@ArxangelRC thanks great work
Thank you! :)
Hey, was your crash caused by the esc low voltage cutoff? Or do you know of a way to disable/lower that while the esc is still connected to the flight controller? I’m using a liion pack in my talon gt rebel and I found out today that it starts cutting throttle at about 3.2v.
Well for LiIon the ESC should cut ideally at around 2.8v per cell... which for instance the HobbyWing ESCs do when set to the "low" voltage cut off option! I think it was the ESC that cut off... but it cut off around 2.8 or 3v, which is OK... the battery is indeed empty at that time anyway! Problem was an empty battery... not the ESC cut off!
Hello, the video is already older i know, just asking if you would share your inav settings fot the Talon GT i´m trying to sort out some isues, hopes it helps me find it better, thanks and greetings from Austria :-)
Soo... why would you assume I am running iNav in this plane?
@@ArxangelRC hehe i thougt you are, dont know why, you use arduplane?
@@Ad-VentureBear Yup, almost exclusively! There is just something about it not crashing my planes all the time that I find rather... appealing! :P
@@ArxangelRC 😉 i will give it a try, heard good things about it. Thx
@@Ad-VentureBear Alright, good luck! Sorry I can't help with the iNav params!
If you uset the telemetry and the LUA script, you could see the last gps coordinates in the Taranis screen.
yes as long as you don't reset radio
And as long as I am using telemetry... which I am not!
Did you had RTH enabled during that range tests?
RTH is enabled by default... if the plane looses the radio link, it will return to home on its own!
Do you rate this pagoda 2 antenna with antenna lines of tbs triumph. I am still looking for the best antenna for akk 1.2w. Look forward to the help. Great video :D
Have not had a TBS Triumph... but I'd reckon for the most part, and for this type of flying they would be pretty similar!
Most impressive🏆
It is! :)
What did you use for the antenna sleeve? How did you mount it at the end of the wing. Just concerned about damage during a landing
It doesn't come near the ground, on this plane there is a spot there to mount gear on the wing, which is provided by design! I put the antenna wires in plastic tubes, and just friction fit it in the foam, no glue, so I can easily remove it.
@@ArxangelRC Hey thanks for the quick response. I was also asking TBS about your antenna orientation and they agree this is best as well. My second wing I'm not able to the this. I have the antenna vertical but I had to run the ground portion parallel to the wing spar. Is this bad compromise for range?
Well... not sure... but it could be a problem... it will still work... just might suffer some range penalty... though how big of a penalty... only testing will tell!
Nikola, I have an issue with my FPV setup and I hope you could help. Using 1,2W AKK ultimate x2 and triple patch helical I cannot get more than 3km. Funny enough at 3km the video goes blank but the OSD stays intact. Any ideas? I fly at Bankya where noise should not be an issue.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you can still see the OSD, then the video system is working... I have no idea why would the image go away! Does it come back when you come closer to home point?
@@ArxangelRC It sure does. Few days ago I saw another youtube video where all 5.8ghz setups blackout at 3kms for some time and then the video appears a bit later. Do you have solid video all the way?
Yes, solid all the way! What you are describing is very weird to me!!!! Can't even figure out why this would happen!
I'm interested in going to r9 system , I actually have the tx module already but no Rx yet, I wouldn't want 20km though I am quite happy flying fairly close but need more pentration through trees etc..
Well... in that case get an R9 Slim+ and switch the module to one of the higher output options!
i am new to this one. where do you conect the channels?(throtle, elevator,rudder, ailerons
To your receiver!
Hello!
My frsky taranis x9d plus stopped working out of nowhere! Is there a way to copy the configs of the planes to an SD card to use them on a new radio?
Thanks a lot!!
Luckily my plane survived thanks to ardupilot and the config tutorials in this channel!
Good to know mate! Actually if you have an SD card in the radio, I think your models should be saved to it, so you can just move it over to another X9D.
@@ArxangelRC thanks for the answer. Sadly no SD card and the damn thing won't start up anymore. Will watch some more CZcams until I can repair it, I guess 👌
@@j7... Well darn... if you don't have an SD card you will need to bring it back to life if you want to move out your models! Lets hope main memory is not compromised! Good luck!
@@ArxangelRC thanks alot. I will definetly try as it's quite expensive :) bought a new one for the meantime though. The weather is too nice in my area to leave the planes at home.
@@j7... Haha, yeah, I get quite frustrated when the weather is perfect and I have some other stuff to do and can't go out flying!
How do you compare it with the AR900 in terms of wind handling?
I've never flown the AR900... and we are talking about comparing it to a flying wing... I'd probably guess that this one gets tossed around a lot less, because it has a lot less surface area to get blown by wind! :)
@@ArxangelRC Thank you!
You are welcome! :)
I think you have to write the part list in description so that can we can get help
There IS a parts list in the description! :)
Does anyone know what airfoil this bird is using? I'd love to know so I could try my hand at scratchbuilding one.
No idea!!!! :(
That's nice 😊
It is! :)
which module were you using If I may ask ? thank you :)
The FrSky R9M module... in case you are asking about the radio control!
Yesterday and today lost signal 868MHz, R9mm ota, flywoo lr4,v2. Distance poorly 300m.
Weird! I am not a fan of the OTA firmware! A lot of people had issues with it!
What do you do/use to get the wind speed and direction data? I would LOVE to have that on my Talon GT.
A GPS unit! The autopilot can calculate that as an estimation from a number of factors, so long as you are not only going in a straight line!
@@ArxangelRC is this an ArduPilot or iNav feature?
@@TheTurbinator ArduPilot!
Very good video.
One question: I have a Phoenix 2400 simple glider. What to do to go on my mountains far 20 km from my house ?
Do you have a video that explain the whole process to transform a simple glider as yhe phoenix in a mid range fpv plane ?
Will be a big gift for people like me with no experience in fpv flight but the dream to visit the mountain on a plane !
Thank you man, very good video !
That is an interesting idea! I might do that... though first I will have to test if my Phoenix 2400 will actually do 20kms out and back... but the gear is pretty much the same as on this plane... just have to make sure the plane itself can carry enough batteries for the distance and time required!
@@ArxangelRC great ! Please do it for me and my friend. He is waiting for his Phoenix and both want visit our big mountain. You think that our phoenix have worst loading capacity than the zohd talon ?
Actually the Phoenix 2400 can carry a lot more! Potentially it should have enough juice to make it there and back again, as it does have speed too! :)
@@ArxangelRC let's do it ! Is a very good platform to start with mid/long range fpv , frsky l9r , antenna tracker and "little battery"
Indeed! :)
How come you can fly at such an hight altitude without getting problems with aviation rules. Are there no GA aircraft. In most of Europe this would be impossible. Here is 300 meters max altitude above ground.
Well... GA is at 10km high... and smaller piloted aircraft are VERY scarce around here!
Wow, all that range with a 4s2p liion pack? Might be my next build then ;)
Yeah, love it! :)
That is just stunning !!!
I have just yesterday flew for 4km on R9MM on Flex 100mw with telemetry and still got stable 65 RSSI, but my 5,8G video let me down as i don't have any ground station, only 5 turn helical antenna.
So i need to figure out how to get further without a ground station. Any suggestions are welcome :-)
Like many, i have no idea what are people doing with the R9 stuff when they are getting FS on hundreds of meters. :-D
What is the power of your video transmitter? I'm using an Akk fx ultimate2 on max setting with aomway multi directional and a diamond antenna and I can go pretty easily to 7.5 km at less than 750m in altitude. BTW I'm using a fxt viper.
Well... a higher gain antenna on the ground, pointed at the plane better usually gets you more distance! My Vtx is at 1200mW with a triple feed patch array on the antenna tracker, and I am exceptionally with with this combination! Antenna on the plane is the GEPRC Pagoda 2, links are in the video description!
Yup, that is a way to do it also... I just don't like this frequency all too much... and the size of those antennas!
Hi!
I have a question is this r9 fcc or LBT firmware. Is there any difference in range ? .
I am generally using FCC firmware, LBT I think might be a bit lower! Haven't tested it personally!
@@ArxangelRC any modifications on antenna or on something ?
Nope, all stock!
Can you please tell me that how far can go with x8r receiver without any module and is there a way to bind x8r with R9M long range module
I would like to know that too... I have not had the opportunity to push it to the limit yet.
OK... first things first... the X8R receiver is a 2.4Ghz one, the R9 system operates in the 868-915Mhz band, so the two are incompatible! With the R9M module you should use R9 series receivers! The X8R binds to an FrSky radio directly, or if you do not have one, then to an XJT module inserted in a compatible radio. The furthers I've been with an X8R receiver has been around 8km, but that is with the 5db antenna mod on my Taranis!
@@ArxangelRC thank you very much I am new in rc hobby so I am just curious about things again thank you very much
You are welcome! :)
Hey!!! Do you any idea?? If frsky r9m works on flysky th9x transmitter?? I can't find the correct answer
Does the transmitter have that module bay at the back? As long as you can get a PPM signal out of the radio and feed it to the module, it should work!
Got the solution thanks to you
@@FLY_WD_RAGHIL Awesome! Best of luck!
Maybe a stupid question, but this range would be the same on a quadcopter??
No idea yet! I am in the SLOW process of putting together something of a long range racer to test that... but it is a slow process!!!
Same but I can't figure out which components I should get
@@MarcAntoine01 I want the R9m module to get good range on my FPV racer quad. It's got a 800mW TBS unify so there should be no range issues on the video, I just need good control range to go far
Well... seems to work well for some people... others have quite a bit of issues... no idea why!
How do you build a li ion 2pack in that shape you have in the Talon
Not difficult at all!
Nice video great footage
Thank you! :)
Nice!
Thanks!
How much mhz were you flying?Thanks
868Mhz
Muy buen video. Gracias. Like y suscripción
Thank you! :)
Any plan on getting a DJI Air unit for FPC?
Plans... not quite... wishes... yes... but it is out of my budget at this time! :S
How much extra range can you get by using the aat?
Well... I have not done a comparison test! The idea of the AAT is that it automatically points the antenna at your plane, and as you move around, the antenna follows to maintain maximum reception! You could do without the antenna tracker, but you will have to manually move the antenna around constantly, and the further out you get, it will become ever more difficult to exactly determine where to point it to...
ArxangelRC thanks for you reply. I am hitting the bottleneck of getting longer range on my MiniTalon. Even with 1W 5.8ghz vtx+ helical receiver antenna, I couldn’t get more than 3.5km at the altitude of 200m. Would you think getting an AAT can me extend the range to 10+km?
I don't know... altitude of 200m is pretty high for 3.5km... anything getting in the way of the video reception?
I'm on the latest flex firmware with super 8 tx antenna and stock receiver antenna and my rssi is all over the place even on 500mw, can go down to 50% in one part of the field, move 20 meters to the left and it's back up to 85% and this isn't even half a km away, is this normal? Furthest I went was 2km but was shitting bricks hoping the YoYo rssi was normal but I don't know any different and defer to the experts....
Definitely doesn't sound normal... although there could be some variation close by... how did it behave when you went out to 2km? Still jumpy, or did it have a more linear behaviour now?
ArxangelRC I'll have to repeat the flight to check but yeah, after I typed I thought why don't I go back to the stock antenna and do some more testing see what happens. Thanks.
Did you test it?
ArxangelRC yeah the stock antenna was worse, so I went back to the Super8, when I got home I decided to look closer and while I had the receiver powered on the bench, it died, so I think maybe the receiver was at fault, it was old and had been in a few crashes so chalked it up to shit happens, plus it was kinda floating free under the FC, I've another installed now (which was an RMA exchange for a DOA one lol) but the weather is crap and I haven't had chance to test it yet. This will also allow me to eliminate my tx as the issue too, since I did once power on the R9M module without the antenna on but switched it off really quickly.
I also live in a really dirty electronic area (near Gatwick Airport - no it wasn't me and I didn't see a drone either LOL) but in a few weeks I'll be able to check in a nice clean area away from horrible humans and their wireless crap lol.
Hahaha, sounds good! I hope you haven't damaged the module... but it should have some safeguards for this! I haven't powered it on without the antenna... so all is good here! No complaints so far!
Are you using a MFD Autopilot or iNav?
Omnibus F4 Pro running ArduPlane! Links are in the description below and also in my blog!
@@ArxangelRC I have a couple Matek F405 Wing FC's here that can take ArduPlane. Will have to give it a try. Any advice on the setup?
Have not had a chance to play with the Wing yet, waiting on 1 to arrive and will probably do a video on it!
@@ArxangelRC Arduplane is so confusing. Had to go back to iNav. Have you ever tried MFD Autopilot?
Not yet... got one of the version 2 at customs, will try it very soon on the Mini Crosswind! :)
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It is linked in the video description - the AKK F4 Pro - www.akktek.com/products/flight-controllers/f4-support-sd-card.html?acc=321
What battery do you have?
4S2P LiIon
i appreciate the fact that you are testing your equipment but are you observing the altitude and distance regulations for model flying in your country?
Well... not a lot of those for the time being... and no air traffic below 8kms either! Some of the benefits of living in a 3rd world country... ;)
hi great video on this good receiver, can you share your PID ?
Yeah... will have to get them out of the plane first... but there is that roll oscillation... not sure the PIDs are optimal yet!
Thank you DJI Phantom for discovery :D
Yeah!
Does this type of craft need faa registration?
In the US... I would assume so!
In France it does
In BG... not yet!
Hi setup view vx tx lipo ?
Say what??
Nice intro... Blue guy
Haha, thanks! :)
How fast does it go respectively?
You mean the Talon GT?
@@ArxangelRC yes, at top speed.
I have flown it at 156km/h for a bit... this was the fastest I've been able to reach!
@@ArxangelRC and is that thespeed without wind blowing behind? Just wondering, because I'm interested in the dart xl and this one.
That was with perhaps about 20-25km/h wing in the back!
My video only goes like 400m but got r9 cause I had fail safe while still while having video 🤦♂️ (R-XSR)
Now I have to figure out how to get my video out a few KM
What Vtx are you using? What antennas? What receiver?
@@ArxangelRC all different ones on different drones. Happy model, geprc (cinepro 4k) and just got a pro32 nano to test.. air x2 antenna, paragonda, fox lollipop, manace patch invader.. just got rapid fire to try
Are we talking planes or copters?
@@ArxangelRC quad copter..
With this new drone I built. I got further yesterday with a really crappy vtx antenna (could went further but didn't want to chance getting stuck in trees if I lost video it was getting some static). So I'm going to get a vas minion to replace that and mount it better
Actually filtering the video and getting some separation between the components might help! Copters are a bit tricky that way... no space to spread the components!
What's your VTX Power level?
1200mW, Vtx is linked in the video description! :)
@@ArxangelRC
Nice, had the same. But now running a 2w akk :)
Yup... got me one of those as well... will put it in a plane shortly! :)
I am trying to increase the range of my 5.8ghz video system,please guide me with your valuable suggestions
Well... I am going to need a bit more info on your current setup and range!
5:00 it's make better work than hero7?
Honestly..?...that's not really difficult.
@@EnglishTurbines i think for the ~same price some 360 camera like Rylo (if I'm correct) with auto horizon will make the same work. Too many gadgets....
Well I don't have a GoPro 7 to compare... but I am darn impressed by what this camera can do, and from what I've seen around CZcams... for the most part it does do a little better in stabilizing the footage than the GoPro!
I don't really get how these flights can be done. What kind of regulations are there in Bulgaria? None?!
Pretty much! Having no air traffic below 8km also helps a lot!
@@ArxangelRC I have to admit I know nothing about Bulgaria. But looking at the Jeppesen charts the ATS routes seem to be a bit higher than for instance in germany (often more than 8000 feet) but that is nowhere near 8 km. I looked around a bit and FL260 was class C airspace pretty much everywhere. No way any model flying would be permitted there, even in Bulgaria.Mostly it is above 10000 feet, sometimes down to 7000 - not much different than any other country. And below I guess it is all airspace G but I have to look up the regulations there.
Well... regardless of the airspace... there is very little piloted air traffic below the passenger planes!
@@ArxangelRC That may be but there is traffic and I am pretty sure that there are designated areas for model flight (like in germany). No way just flying in airspace G can be legal between aircraft that actually carry people - maybe under 500 feet since aircraft are not allowed under 500 feet.
Thing is... around here... I am safer flying above 500 feet, because the few planes we've seen around these parts over the years... have always made sure to come and do a fly by 10 meters above our heads!!!!!!!!!! Besides... we always listen in on the radio control traffic frequencies... and trust me... there is nobody around these parts when I fly!
well, @3.4km altitude, what do you expect, now try the same thing at 100 meters :)
I will... just have to find a large enough area... hard to find such around here without driving 200kms!
@@ArxangelRC lol, what's wrong with starting from where you usually fly, all you need for Frensel zone is about 400-500meters of open space in the direction you'll be flying in. DL at 1W should be enough for 5-6km below 100m in a city on stock antennas, in the countryside i've flown around 6km at only 15-20meters after 6km had to go up to 100m till about 11ish km. Around 130meter till about 19-20km after that had to go uppppp :) Me and my cousin had almost identical results in the same area/time he had DLv3, I had DTF UHF with openlrsng. Both on dipole antennas. Crossfire 915mhz at 2watts (keep away from ur balls thought) should yeld the same results afaik, of course if you hit inband rf noise ymmv :) good luck and plz plz plz don't you screw it up for all of us by hitting another airliner ;)
Hahahahahaha, there are no airliners to hit... so you can put that concern to rest! Thing is... with all the hills around here... even if I move 3kms in some direction... I have to go up 300-500 meters above the take off location so I wouldn't hit the terrain at 3kms... and then I have to keep going up so I don't end up behind the hill, which will take me higher over the take off location and even higher above the ground, because now there is a hill between me and the plane! It is not simply a slightly sloping area that spans for many kms.... the terrain is quite jagged!
he's flying at 9000 ft altitude? no wonder he got great range
Well yeah... around here I can't go that far keeping 200 meters from the ground! Too many hills and mountains in the way at no more than 10kms!
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It was! :)