Insane Results | AMRAAM says "Height REALLY does matter"
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Today we'll measure the maximum ranges of the AMRAAM at various altitudes to find out exactly how much is to be gained by climbing during the initial BVR Fox3 shot. Any DCS Fighter Pilots will tell ya "Higher + Faster = Better" when it comes to launching that missile against enemy aircraft.
A missile gets there faster, goes further, and has more energy to manoeuvre... But exactly how much? We'll conduct a battery of tests in best case conditions, using the F16 as our testbed vs Tu22M3 over the skies of Argentina's coastline.
The results of the test, keeping all variables equal, except for out altitude, will show us precisely how well the Fox3, NATO's standard radar guided Air-to-Air Missile, performs in DCS World at the various flight levels as of late 2022.
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Contents:
00:00 ARMAAM Fox3 Missile DCS F16
00:34 NOTAMs Online Forum Notes
01:20 The Experimentation Whys & Hows
03:16 Test 0ft ...NO Bug
04:01 Fox 3 Launch Test 1
04:36 TacView Measuring Distance
05:17 Measuring Missile Speed Tacview
05:59 Results 2,000ft Low Target
06:41 Results 2,000ft Hi Target
07:10 Results 5,0000ft low Target
07:32 Results 5,000ft Hi Tgt
08:04 Results 10,000ft Both Tgt
08:42 Results 15,000ft AMRAAM
09:09 Results 20,000ft Fox3
09:33 Results 25,000ft Missile
10:09 Results 30,000ft
10:45 Climbing Angels 35
11:14 Results 35,000ft
11:43 Final 40k AMRAAM Shot
12:12 40k Results with Graph
12:57 Missile Speed Charts
13:26 Summary Altitude is King
14:57 Next Vid & DCS Thoughts - Hry
As a general rule of thumb I always used 10.000ft = 10nm
20.000ft = 20nm
And so on :)
Thank you for taking the time to conduct these tests on the current DCS World AMRAAMs and then making this video showing us what happened during the tests.
I believe that the low altitude radar limitations in the F-16 and 18 are an attempt to simulate side-lobe interference or the radar multi-path effect. So perhaps not a bug, but I am not sure.
This is a very informative video. I'd love to see the upper end of this graph. To see when given the opportunity to fire from as high as my jet can go while supersonic, what is the best performance we can get out of the missile? I also look forward to your speed vs range testing. Great video all around.
I will make sure to include your suggestion. After the speed results are in, I'll then make a 3rd video that compares the summary of both (best speed+ best altitude trends) and find as you suggest, the ultimate sweet spot. This is gonna vary plane to plane, so looking forward to run it
"The higher you are..."
Damn right!
Very neatly crafted and informational video. I'd love to see these continue, waiting on the speed video
one of the best videos for people wanting to get into bvr!
Interesting, keep it up!
Thanks Bob - well done again on your Diploma!
@@DCSDigitalCombatSimulator Thanks 👍😀
would love to see the speed test, but I know it's a lot of work because you would have to do this same test but in +.1mach increments, and at lower altitudes there are just some mach speeds you'll never reach to compare.
I've been thinking about doing this next (had this bad cold for weeks that's finally shifting) and my thoughts are to limit the number of tests somewhat or I'll be there for days... That said, some initial testing makes a VERY clear line, so Im sure numbers will be good. As you point out, not all speeds are possible at the different heights, so I'll do my best, and if it can't fly at said speed, I'll strike off that result with N/A.
I'm thinking something like Angels 5, 20 and 40. I'll give you a little spoiler, and say the benefits of extra speed come second to extra height, in almost any situation, but having both higher up, makes huge differences.
Those results are quite impressive. I would have wagered gravity would impact it more than the thin air. Not true! And yes, there are several things in DCS that just cannot be even close to accurate, the worst offender is the Patriot SAM. I have no fear of going against a Patriot site. Their missiles are so easy to dodge and notch. Even the AI easily just scoots around the telephone poles and continue on. Is that really that accurate? If it is, shame on us. Give me an S400 system any day of the week! Love the effort you put into this video and all your videos. By the way, that TacView...is that part of DCS I just haven't come across yet? Or is it an addon?
The max range is kinda misleading as mach 1 on the deck is a different ground speed compared to mach1 at 40k ft. In essence part of the result is the missile starting with a higher ground speed before using its own booster. Adjusting for this I suspect the effect will become less pronounced.
I can clearly tell this. I smacked 3 enemy players in TWS using Hi PRF at the same time on GS flying Mach 2.2 at 40k feet, using the F15. That aircraft is deffently the undisputed BVR king. i would not use any other aircraft since they are broken other than the Mirage or JF17. Also the interleave PRF is broken hindering you to scan at longer ranges, which is incorrect. The problem with amraam appears that, it is easy notchable below 2000feet, which was in the early days alot more difficult.
Not quite, f16 is a better bvr platform due to datalink
@@StrelitziaLiveries lmao, datalink does not give you an advantage, just Situational Awareness, and if awacs and EWR is gone, you are screwed Also F15 can fly Mach 2.2 at 40k feet. which means the amraam has a speed of mach 5. I have the f16, and it can´t even climb, suck at straight speed unless you drop the tanks, have very low loitering time. I can stay on afterburner for 35 min. engagement needs to be at 20 miles, because the limitation of the radar and the radar is bugged just as the f18. they can´t see targets below 2000feet. if you depend on a aircraft with datalink, just shows that you haven´t been picking up the basics relying on AWACS. YES awacs can sometimes be a D***, but building SA with your eyes, doing real life tactics such as BARCAP, runing a racetrack to get a picture on the radar and reading the RWR ping. is the first thing that should come to mind.. even DataLink fails, and it can give you false indication of the bogeys last whereabouts. F16 being a better bvr platform LOL due to DL. remember i got 8 amraams next time the F15E comes out
That's why a good defensive 120 is king, if there is a good closure rate you can fire them from 30km.. if it doesn't kill him the next one at 20km.. lol
I agree that is by far the best defensive move. Just hearing that RWR switching to missile lock tone, even though it's just a game, is enough to force a change in tact.
What happened to the quality?
Sometimes taking CZcams a little longer to process the videos, I upload 1440p @ 60fps
Putins AMraam 😁