Are All Streamers Narcissists? | Talking with
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- Join us for an extensive conversation with @Trainwreckstv in this video! We go over the toxic Twitch culture, his history of bullying in school, and more much more.
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Dr. K welcomes back Trainwreckstv again to discuss his school life and the lasting effect it's had on him. Does Train need hatred to succeed? How should Train react to people judging him by his looks? Unfortunately, Dr. K's internet dropped out during the stream which interrupted the interview. Be sure to check out Tyler's channel and thank him for coming on: / trainwreckstv
00:00:00 Coaching Availability
00:01:28 Catch Up (Interview Start)
00:04:49 Are Streamers Sociopathic Narcissists?*
00:26:35 Train Being Judged for His Appearance
00:42:25 School: Bullying and Relationships
01:18:14 Narcissism, Insecurity, and False Confidence
01:34:07 Toxic Twitch Culture, Train Deserves Pity
01:52:32 Strength in Spite of Toxicity
02:02:46 Being Vilified No Matter What You Do
02:15:26 Closing Thoughts
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#trainwreckstv #mentalhealth #narcissism
Man how is every interview a tear jerker. Dr. K’s words of encouragement literally hit my heart every time
Dr. K is actually one of the kindest men I've ever seen
He’s comes off pretty arrogant at times if you ask me.
@@Sh0n0 I think it's really just his personality and character in addition to his job. He definitely keeps his patients if you like in check throughout the interviews. Have to understand that its really a therapy session more than a classic interview. Nonetheless, the first 15-20 min is more so what made me comment on what I did. He definitely cares about the people he talks to, and is so unbelievably patient and understanding with them it's really heartwarming.
@@Sh0n0 compared to many other psychologists or therapists or whatever you want to call them, he seems really genuine and that he actually cares about who he’s talking to.
@@Sh0n0 I think there's a certain amount of assertiveness you need to have when your patient has so successfully mindfucked themselves that they need a psychiatrist, to put it simply. You can't let your patients use their old excuses for their old behaviors when they're asking to be changed.
@@blarblablarblar That is very very true very true. Especially when one has victim mindset as an identity. I am curious as to why Dr K wanted trainwrecks to admit he was a victim, unless he saw it as ingenuine somehow.
If you're trying to get the vibe of this conversation from the comments, don't, the conversation is amazing
yeah, if you listen from start to finish, Train tells a fascinating story in a very clear and engaging way, I enjoyed it a lot
train is the best guest ever, seriously, hes funny af and at the same time has a very deep and interesting story
Do you realize your comment is paradoxical?
I’ll take your advice
@@ev0lution1 lol true
Love these chats. Its like listening chapters of a book being written out before your very eyes. Looking forward to chapter 4.
I very much enjoy listening and learning from the streams with Dr. k and Train, they cover quite a lot and I really enjoy both of them speaking to one another.
Train: I think that people discount my opinions because I seem overconfident and scary.
Me: I mean... maybe a little but not really.
*Looks at comment section*
Me: Nvm. I believe you.
"One day... you know... yeah. yea... Yeah, I don't know"
can you repeat the question
@@NAPREDATOR can you please repeat the question
@@Dannylol you're not the boss of me now.
He didn't wanna say one day you'll die, because then Dr.K would've asked him how he felt about it a second time, after he (probabky subconsciously) dodged it the first time.
Just speculations tho
@@NAPREDATOR oh yeah yeah
This was the best conversation of train and Dr.k I have seen so far. Super insightful.
"You're so close to the truth that no word captures it"
I'm using that next time idk how to describe something lmao
Lol it sounds deep and insightful but doesn't really mean much.
I feel like by the end of this 3rd interview, we started to hit the roots!! I can't wait for the next interview Pog
"I feel I've offend myself by just looking at myself"
Train was actually being himself here. Seems like he rubbed a few people the wrong way, but I think he was conducting himself honestly.
That sounds really dodgy. Rubbed people the wrong way. Omegalul
@@josephcassidy2603 shush
Same here. I hate it when people like/repsect me. It feels so weird. As if they must be faking it because how could anyone possibly like me? And when I eventually ruin the relationship, they really do hate me, and it confirms my belief that people don't like me! Then that gives me energy and motivation, but it is truly a cycle of self-sabotage.
you're holding on to that raft
@@youssefmo what do you mean by that?
@@will-iy9gu 1:47:46
ive been watching alot of your content the last 2 weeks and it has definetly helped me clarify some thought processes i have and why i have those thought processes/reactions to situations. your basically helping me understand the man i am today because of the stuff i went through as a child and young adult. thank you.... from the bottom of my heart thank you
Love both Train and Dr. K, amazing stream, the best one yet IMO.
One of the best discussions, thank you guys
I love what you've done with the room. The navy wall colour contrasts really nicely with the gold decorations on the shelf. Looking clean!
This is such an interesting session, I don't even know Train but I like how he thinks
i like this guy.
This convo series has been to beautiful to watch.
Cheers for allowing the convos to go on for a couple of hours.
Theres a good talk on YT called Fathering the boy inside by james hillman, which talks about some of the things they spoke about towards the end.
This a freaking incredible stream...I Love the Raft Analogy, and i feel like i could apply that same analogy to myself . so thank you Dr K and Train for sharing
Every time I see Train on here I get excited. I love him speaking up his mind. I don't really follow his works but his points of view are certainly interesting.
Really loved this conversation, lots of good topics and views being explored. Thanks to them both.
I listened. You two are amazing.
Train is the king of "does this make sense?" Love him tho.
Train instantly came off as an ENTJ (first im seeing of him). A gril i had a 1 night stand with was also ENTJ. She kept saying that a lot too, "Does that make sense." One time I just replied, " I heard what you said." LIke, we're just effing having a conversation buddy. lol, Yes i get it. Interestingly enough, Dr. K is an INTP, as am I.
LOL OMG, I hit play again on the vid, and Dr. K's response killed me 26:00 wait for it
@@zf5656 ayyyyyyyy fellow INTP
@@zf5656 Dr. K often say "does that make sense?" too though lol, in this video too
Went through the same thing, new gained respect for train.
Great talk Doc
30:20 That is literally sick, holy fuck
This is actually pretty great content.
Glad i watched this. Respect Train a lot more now.
Real ass convo man. Trains got a real story
I think train has had such influential and meaningful moments in his life that he wants other people to know. So much so that he doesnt want them too misunderstand where hes coming from and what he means. It seems like he is thinks he’s misunderstood which might be the case but he is getting better at being the example of the lessons hes lived in his life. Train is dope and so is Dr. K, great convo.
that was a good one
Man that was great
Wow to be honest I had been avoiding Train's streams and Dr K's interviews with him just based on thumbnails and the judgments of others, but within a minute of hearing the guy he's one of my new favorite streamers/interviewers. Dude is not really neurotic at all and super genuine.
i love the interviews with train its soooo entertaining i really like the chemistry
i love this channel
I'm pretty sure dr. K is so good because rather than act as a superior entity such average psychiatrist, he open himself to you in order to settle a 1:1 conversation and he's sooo good doing it
Gutted i missed this one but glad upload is up
You can always see past streams from twitch.
@@timom9833 its better cuz u can see chat too
YES IVE BEEN WAITING FOR TRAINWRECKS PART 3!!
13:45 - When you put yourself out there as a public figure, your attitude and energy is expected if you present it consistently
Train expects people that lack experience to know what's really going on
this was legendary
Dr. K is just amazing 😍
I wish I could hug this guy
In my experience growing up with a supposed narcissist (IMO), I used to think a similar concept you mentioned around the 1:25:30 mark, but found it to be very unwieldy as a measure to classify a narcissist just because it's so hard to pin down whether or not their interpretation is just that or if it's actually a fact. I feel like you need to know the person for a long time and even be there in the exact moment, for the situation they were describing, happened in order to completely understand context.
What I've come to believe is that the LCD for distinguishing a narcissist is that they lie A LOT. Particularly when it's concerned with other people's reputation. Because narcissists get their power by controlling public opinion. I think Narcissists are created through trauma and they learned that the tools of a narcissist can be an escape for it, a defense mechanism for their ego. You never have to be afraid of walking into a room when you control what they think about each other (negative) and about you (positive).
Obviously I'm leaving out some details here since I don't want to write an essay, but I wonder if you know who Dr. Ramani is and her work with narcissism? She has a pretty good sized channel on youtube and her videos are (afaik) all about exploring Narcissism in depth. Her videos have been so validating and disturbingly accurate in fact that I sometimes wonder if she's pulling a trick on me and her community. Would be super cool if you guys had a talk together in-depth about narcissism.
"Idon't know, I don't know... you know?" Really enjoying these Train streams, thought provoking.
Ego
1:52:34 dr k is such a great and powerful speaker and I think this moment is when it all goes through trains head and fits perfectly
Personally I think the perception that streamers are narcissists comes from the patronizing/autocratic way they interact with chat.
Maybe I'm watching the wrong streamers but I've never seen a streamer treat their chat like human beings, and not faceless voices that should be cheering them on relentlessly and nothing else. Voicing any kind of negative opinion or simply ribbing the streamer often nets chatters a instant ban. If 1000 people are spamming
I just realized that streamers talking to Dr K is a bit like draw my life videos 8 years ago
Fuck.... I always saw alot of myself Train and that was why I enjoyed watching him and hanging in stream chat.... but damn, Dr K seeing some of the same stuff I still am working on in Train too...
1:47:46 most valuable analogy ever
Wow I learned a lot about Train and the deeper he went into his story, the worse I felt for making a single assumption about him.
“But anyways, yeah, we’ll get back to that later” x1000
Interruption Andy omegalul
DrK looking more a more like an enlightened guru, love the hair
Have a talk with corpsehusband!! I heard he has talked about some of his mental health stuff and I wonder if dr K would be able to help with that 😀
Yes ^^^^^
true but he doesn’t show his face so it might be a little difficult
@@futurelf4431 if he doesnt use webcam like everyone does on aloks interviews, i wouldnt mind. his personality is why id watch that
@@Juhamakiviita2.0 from dr.k's perspective it would be much more limiting as he uses facial expressions and body language to help determine how the person is feeling in combination with speaking.
@@The1Liner he could show his face but just be censored on the stream
Sounds like train read: "Thinking: Fast and slow"
How come u say that
Hairs looking nice and slick dr k
25:24 LMAOOOOOO Dr K had the best reaction. a bit of misplaced self-awareness on train's part
Train "does that make sense" Wreck
Finished watching the VOD 1 hour ago, great conversation
The raft analogy. Perfect. I would only add that after he is walking with the raft, there is a canyon ahead that he has to traverse (life's new challenges) and that carrying the raft would make it much more of a challenge to get across
Train is such a genuine guy
Bro your whole world got fucked up over the course of 7 minutes starting at 1:25:00. Dr. K is nuts. Train, you are awesome, and hes completely right about what you're worthy of. Always fuckin love your content so I'm glad you two had this talk. Let's see you do the opposite of greek and become 10x better, not 1000x worse.
There’s an interesting concept from C.G. Jung which was hard to swallow for me and I think it also applies very well for me watching this video. Namely Jung said you react strong about others what is inside yourself. I recognize a lot of trains behavior patterns in myself but at the same time I reject them while observing how train behaves. And it’s also this duality of having somewhat narcissistic defense behaviors while only wanting to do good. It’s as if being attacked was drilled so deep into my sense of self that the repetition compulsion is always going on in the background it’s become the standard mode of operation. I think it’s even more true when you’re surrounded with a certain type of people who react very hostile with every display of vulnerability you show to the outside. And I also recognized the tainted view you acquire about the world where you self sabotage yourself about when people genuinely offer you sympathy. It’s as if something is off about it though from time to time I meet people by whom I truly feel accepted and not judged. It’s a fucking mess for the brain to wrap itself around it. Because it collides so much with what you learned as truth. Man are these videos helpful! A lot of thanks going to both train and dr K for what they’re doing. It’s so insightful. I think it’s for the first time this year in my life I not only have learned so much about how the psyche operates but also to recognize the maladaptive behavior patterns in myself. And I think I only managed it through the distance observing others in this kind of talks and watching other videos on stuff as CPTSD.
DimljenaRiba I've recently been intrested in Jung's work and instantly was intrigued with your comment. I feel like it could have very well been a version of myself that wrote it. Great work!
@@solitariumos pozdrav! :)
@@dantecasola599 I’m glad to see so many people interested in self improvement! I don’t know if I’ll ever get where I want to be. But I know for sure I won’t stop trying. It’s as if I feel my sole purpose is to get rid of this bad karma. Everything else feels like a loss of my time on this earth. I mean I’m impaired for sure with my maladaptive behavior patterns. On top I can’t really rid myself of stuff such as hypervigilance or panic attacks in certain social context. But I learned that it mostly has to do with suppressed anger or shame. And...they of course stem from certain beliefs and experiences. And than there is also the false self I present to the outside world - except for good friends. It’s as dr K said - exhausting. And I don’t want to waste my life like that. I think I started to see a path, namely, when you give up yourself to others (not by suppressing your own needs - but rather with the attitude to not take yourself as so important) you can break through the ego. Curious if anyone has thoughts about that or experiences!
27:57 I haven't watched a single Train's stream, but maybe he doesn't come across as arrogant to DrK because DrK is confident, while I agree with what Train said because I am insecure and see him (on the screen) as way more confident than I can be..
I'm so happy that this conversation happened, for Train's sake, for Dr. K's sake, and my own. It's helped me to understand myself and how I feel a little bit more.
DR K you are a beast, keep up the amazing content ! POG Champ 10/10
This one was big for me.
2:07:52 Man that reminds me so much of how it's to work with Americans vs. how it is to work with Germans. In the US it's _"heeeey you did some really amazing work here and we will definitely be using this going forward but I have just some slight adjustments on page 3 and a little on page 4, If we could have a talk about those that would be great!"_ _"Oh I thought this was very good, hmm. Okay let's have a look (frowneyface)"_
Ugh!.... Germany?
still faces
_"Pages 3 and 4 new please, rest is good."_
_"Thanks, have a nice weekend!"_
_"You too"_
lol
SO TRUE you only ever hear what you done wrong in Germany and everything you done right just is supposed to be like that and therefore not worth any Compliment or aknowledgement!
Work-related compliments are for extraordinary accomplishments. Dispensing them graciously inflates the value of truly deserving achievements since there's not much left above "awesome, great work, wooooo! You peeled that potato good!" smfh
when people compliment me, especially in that "extra" way, I get itchy and it feels I'm being ridiculed and treated like the kid who smacked colors on a sheet of paper and the mom goes "woooow it's so goood let's put this on the fridge"
@@seess8251 when ape sees this: "On a stack!"
Although I personally do not know Joshua Fluke, in his videos he comes across as genuine and doing his best to be a good person.... In his last video he mentions that he would be interested in talking to you. Any chance that could happen? THANK YOU!!!
I was wondering if there are any reliable, good sources to find some of the meditations and eastern therapy.
I ask because a lot of my emotional pain/distress takes place in my chest like my heart and my lungs physically). I imagine it has to do with the heart chakra (Anahata)
hence why I’m looking for reliable sources to address this.
meditation is the same everywhere.
the trauma thing is a thing of its own
the closest I think about a combination of both is CBT
@@smmshoe I definitely see your point, I guess what I’m looking for is effective meditation techniques because there are so many out there (some modern some traditional, some that work and others that don’t).
However finding what is subjectively effective for me would be different for someone else. So I would need to find a way to personalize my search.
My experience with it didn’t really address it at all, but. Can CBT cover meditation and like treatment approaches?
@@the_metamancer I can relate with the idea that each person has his own therapy and medication.
CBT is a toolkit to reflect on the problems and contain them mentally. It includes meditation as well/. it is a nice toolbox to have
This suddenly strongly reminded me of the discussion with HotshotGG. Bad stuff has happened to him and to avoid the anger, he accepts that world is just wrong in that exact way it was wrong to him.
Fuck this is pretty true, and I fkn love train. Also reminds me of the book Catcher in The Rye. It's like the trauma has become large in his world and he projects as thats the state of the world but in truth only the state of his world. I find there's no problem with living in your own world and I'm sure theres a lot of people who can relate to his story.
One of the problems is that most people have no clue what personality disorders are, and even how and what personality is. We allow people to blatantly talk horse shit and abuse people and applaud them because "They're being themselves, telling the truth etc." If we actually understood what actually causes people to behave in such a grandiose, delusiknal, entitled way we may start to take them with a grain of salt. Npd is really born out of children who are so diminished and abused that they to build a fascade as a defence against those feelings of inferiority. Imagine a person who got bullied and learned to stand up for himself but he still feels shame inferiority about his past because he did not intergrate, he instead split himself, hence the brittle ego of the narcissist. What we are dealing with here are severly traumatised children who become adults, still using infantile defence mechanisms to cope. People who grow up with narcissistic parents are more likely to accept these people in their circle. Passing them off as "He just has a strong personality, or, "She's abit of sore lose", "He's not afraid to speak his mind". If we don't want live with toxic people we need to start calling out people's bullshit and holding them accountable.
Being egoistic and being self conscious are not mutually exclusive. Train seems extremely egotistical to me in the sense that he is deeply tied up in his identity and his sense of self as a lens through which to understand the world. Even the way he discusses his flaws seemed framed in such a way that he is ultimately sympathetic or not at fault for the way other people receive him. Doesn't necessarily make him a bad person or a narcissist or a sociopath, although that mentality can make you behave harmfully in certain situations, but ego is a huge obstacle to being a better person.
Mm.. Food
I love to see other DOOM fans around.
What's your favourite album?
Also, I think having a high ego isn't directly correlative to being a narcissistic; just don't rule it out.
I think Train foists blame on others for his own perceived flaws rather than introspection.
He seems very flawed and entwined in his identity, and that makes the issues he has a lot more penetrating and piercing to him.
he goes full squadw because he thinks he’s the main character
Humans speak: blabadaba doo
@@attackman4458 youtube update makes it so u can see all ur previous comments all being about “sjw feminists” lul
ego pog
Train's 'pitching his voice' situation is nowhere near as unique as he seems to think it is, he basically explained why black dudes code-switch. I think I use my real voice like 20% of the time due to being 6'5, black, and not wanting to be too intimidating while just trying to do my job or buy a bag of chips.
Why are you lying to us, we all know you're 9ft
Wow that’s honestly kinda sad. I never knew this was a thing for most people, just mostly for girls on twitch trying to sound more feminine. It’s pretty horrible you have to fake your voice to not come off as threatening.
@@reishez1372 it ain’t that horrible it’s just life
Yeah my dad is similar. He has a very aggressive tone that he has to adjust in public
Yeah Boii
Someone told me it was train's viewers who were toxic in chat, but that doesn't seem to be the case when reading the comments.
love train reappearing here, interesting person
Streaming definitely feeds into narcissism, but I know some people I'd consider non-narcissists who are streamers - big streamers, even. Joel and Vinny come to mind.
just started watching you recently, train. you remind me of my best friend who is no longer with me anymore. kind of scary how similar your mannerisms are and to some degree even the look - nick was a bigger, burly guy but you had very similar brains and pasts. nick was good. love u nick.
RIP. Sounds like a nice guy.
He has very specific mannerisms yet they do apply broadly.
I know multiple people with very similar speech patterns, ad-libs, thought processes. But no one who's identical.
Damn, I was so interested in what Dr K was going to say about noticing mistakes in what they were doing and then Train cut him of talking basically about how streamers are not narcissists, which is kind of ironic I guess
Same, but tbf, his "interviews" with train are more like a conversation. It's pretty normal to have a conversation like that with friends where you're just bouncing off of each other.
@@kiran474 I actually really wanted to know more about how dr k saw his work, and the theoric diffuclties he was encountering as opposed to a more standard way of practising his job. It's rare that he speaks about stuff like that, even though I don't watch his streams, he seems like a shy person but yea, I think I've got a vague idea of those difficulties anyway
But like... everyone's interview is more like a conversation. This isn't a lecture and Dr.K asks to be interrupted before he starts.
The way he talks, he reminds me of Vince Vaughn a little.
Train took a shit and shared it with everyone. very wholesome :)
I think the answer is yes, but not always in a negative / destructive way.
Cave man is here guys!!
"maybe my sheets wrinkles"
Dude is grieving his smooth under eyes.
having compassion for others, or receiving it from others, is never weak. I think this is the dude's issue.
I think he just doesn’t like that people think he’s weak when people pity him, not necessarily that he doesn’t like people caring for him. Words can be tricky like Dr. K said because they’re false representatives of what things actually are or something like that.
@@marsbars4767 I have that exactly, and often it doesn’t apply to other people only ourselves. We hold ourselves to a standard that is completely out of touch with reality, and which would be ludicrous to apply to other people
This particular one is yes.
Imagine telling Dr. K to wrap it up. smh
When?
what a sociopatihc narcicists, right? /s
And what do you think about that?
@@InternetScoutTV Very beginning of the video it's being spammed in chat. I'm positive it's just a meme anyways.
Authored by "Stangclever"; pretty fun roast comment
Yes
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if you want to be PAID to exist or to be the center of someone elses attention
YES you are a narcissist.
no value or lessons lerned from these people
and more so the PRIDE types have INFESTED it
it's destroyed Gamer culture and i'm no longer really giving Twitch or DISCORD (because thats far worse)
my attention i hope they fade away like other things i have no use for in my reality.
I love the train and dr k talks so much man. Dr k is an anchor to train’s want to rant lol
I kinda get the feeling that the people in these comments are narcissists. Making assumptions about people you don't know based on their jobs by superficial factors and generalizing them based on the faults of others not even in their line of work. All in an attempt to put down those who you view as higher than you due to their notoriety.
aren't you doing it atm,,?
but I get you point and kind of agree
It seems like you don't understand the meaning of the word narcissist
To me this is the climax of the train dr k saga
I wonder if anyone will reference dark triad.
anyone else noticed how incredible clear train becomes in his speech when he talks about his school experience? also another thing that i noticed in his school story is he talks for like 30min straight about his whole school experience and didnt mention the actual material he was supposed to learn once. like usally bullying impacts grades and people at least mention it in those stories.
You're right! I could barely stand his speech habits before but that part was like I finally saw him. Amazing.
Social media encourages and thrives on narcissism
yes
did he ever say why he's having christmas tree the whole year?
@Blue .Barrymore probably :)
@Blue .Barrymore yeah he did actually say that lmao