Yamamoto VS Ichibei- Who Would Win?
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Yamamoto VS Ichibei- Who Would Win? Within the Soul Society in the world of Bleach, there are two ancient powerhouses known as Genryusai Yamamoto and Ichibei Hyosube. Both of these gods amongst the Shinigami faction faced off against the overpowered Yhwach, the mightiest Quincy in existence and Sosuke Aizen, the transcendent and cunning former captain of the Soul Society. With their insanely powerful zanpakutos, abilities, and experience, who would come out on top if they were to fight?
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Ichebei has the ability to re Wright a zanpackto by changing its name . He could nullify all of yamas abilities rendering them useless .
Tell Clyde to release the Yamamoto video. He has been talking about it for months now argubaly years. Yet no video in sight.
Could Ichibei even use his abilities against Yamamoto? Because as soon as he goes Bankai, Ichibei would no longer have ink.
It's not even a question.Ichibei stomps.
The "no shinigami BORN IN THE PAST 1000 YEARS" statement was not a good example of why Yamamoto scales higher than Ichibei. Because Ichibei wasn't born within those 1000 years, he was born before that
So true. Ichibei simply exists outside the parameters of the story until after Yama’s death. I think Yama has more offensive abilities. But he isn’t really a tactical fighter. He just tries to overwhelm his opponent. That simply won’t work against ichibei. He would just turn Yama’s flames into a match. Turn Yama’s strength to a kitten. And then smash him.
@@chrisblanc663 Cap
@@chrisblanc663 I mean you can say the same for Kenpachi, but at a way higher level. He really doesnt consider better approaches than face first. It took him way too long to remember the Rudimentary lesson yamamoto taught him about kendo. I don't think you're giving yamamoto enough credit when it comes to tactician though. We just haven't seen him ever in a position where he needed to be. But he is quite resourceful. And usually finds a better approach alot of the time. And he is always limited. The entire time he is involved he is either benched or his power is stolen from him. And the one time he actually was able to use his sword his arm was missing and couldn't use all his bankai nor could he use all the kido and hakudo, not to mention he in a state of rage. Hard to focus on tactician that way.
His best approach is to pressure his opponent and that works very very well. Ichibei is just really good at controlling an aggressive fighter and redirection.
I think you underestimate yamamoto.
But ichibei is really the perfect counter versus All shinigami
They Never said Ichibei was born after Yamamoto. For the record
@@zenraloc I didn't ask
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I noticed bare handed yama did better in his fight against wonderweiss than bankai kensei who may or may not have used his hollow mask
@@turnerbrawley4715 he didn’t against Mask, so it’s probably safe to say he didn’t vs Wonderweiss
@@romanfrancis1232 true but its cool to think Yamamoto could give kensei the business with just his bare hands
Ichibei’s hax is crazy as hell, True Name is one of the most powerful abilities right behind Almighty. It will be a good fight but I got Ichibei taking this 7/10.
Definitely in top 5 hax in Bleach alongside The Almighty, The Visionary, The Miracle, and The Balance.
@@kodoqbesar4301 i think you forgot KS
@@dimensionvisitor7689
Yes KS is broken but not as broken as the four the person mentioned.
Nah Yama wins bro
I think miracle and visionary can rival almighty or atleast closer in power than the others because they both practically make you unkillabe unless the user intentionally nerfs themselves.
I think Ichibei would win. We haven't seen anything to suggest his ink could be erased by Yama's bankai on contact, since nobody has outright destroyed the ink that way. Not sure Yama has higher reiatsu either, so the thing Aizen mentioned to Soi Fon isn't an escape. Neither is Yama's statement about no stronger shinigami being born in 2000 years, obviously since Ichibei is much older. Ichibei also showed hidden kidou abilities that we hadn't seen before, so considering regular kidou contains things like literally stopping time, who knows what the secret ones can do.
To be fair
Yama's bankai's sword is black
So ichibei kinda already touched him
Wait, what Kidō stops time? Aizen's fully chanted kuro histugi doesn't stop time, it deforms spacetime. Idk which other you could be referencing 🧐?
I think I’m going 6/4 genryusai because he beat a fully powered yhwach back in the day so if you think about it that in itself might just outright scale him above ichibei
@@louisrobitaille5810 When kisuke and tessai were trying to save the visored tessai being the kido Commander used forbidden kido to stop time and also used a teleportation kido to move them to the 12th division building.
Technically if ichibei sealed his bankai he would win but if he cannot seal my man Yamamoto has literally sun and is sun in bankai no one can touch him nothing can touch him
Honestly I got ichibe winning, Ichibe has too much hax and has a vast amount of more abilities he could use than yama
Agreed
Nah bruh... Bankai Yama erases everything even ink.
@@TheTonytone77 Stop with the NLF. Yhwach almost died fighting Ichibei, as opposed to Yamamoto.
Yamamoto did kill juha in the past
Juha won because he stole Yamamotos bankai
A thing juha didn’t bother with for ichibei
@@logandelaharpe6362 No Juha won because Yamamoto got weaker. He had 1 arm and he was blinded with rage, so much so he didn't realize he was fighting a fake yhwach. If he knew, he would've caught on and become more wary of some trick to be pulled.
15:53
Expect he didn’t
Ichibei seal that up and Yama never fought him with the Almighty
The trick to this fight is that both combatants are immeasurably powerful, but in very different ways:
Ichibe’s powers are vast - not on a physical level but a conceptual one. It’s unlikely that he’s a very dominant melee fighter, but his absolute authority over names and the very concept of ‘Black’ gives him a transcendent and god-like degree of influence over his reality. If the ink of his brush touches you, you’re whatever he wants you to be.
Yamamoto is the pinnacle of fighting power in a more straightforward sense. If Ichibe can be thought of as a god of creation then that makes Old Man Yama a god of destruction. There’s nobody who can compete with his offensive power - this man’s Shikai is enough to incinerate cities and the mere activation of his Bankai threatens to destroy a plane of existence.
A great testament to Yama’s strength that shouldn’t be ignored - neither Aizen or Yhwach wanted a direct confrontation with him without first having a means of sealing his zanpakuto’s power.
The difference in the nature of their abilities aside, both Yama and Ichibe are very well rounded fighters and have a mastery of all soul-reaper combat disciplines.
Whoever wins is a simple question - who can land the first decisive blow?
Great explanation!
I agree completely with this beautiful statement.
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I disagree to an extent. In the war arc Yamamotos power is so nerfed to the ground for story that Yhwach hasn't even put him into the potential list and one shots him
@@arcturus4295 That's Because Yhwach stole his power.
Yamamoto didn't defeat Yhwach who had the Almighty 1000 years ago. Nimaya specifically mentions that he has data about Yhwach from the battle he just had against Yama and his battle from 1000 years ago, meaning Ichibei would know about Yhwach's Almighty if he used it 1000 years ago. But when Ichibei fights Yhwach, he is surprised by the Almighty, meaning Yhwach didn't use it before.
That makes sense. Since how would you beat an almighty yhwach without his powers somehow being deactivated temporarily? Unless yhwach saw no altered reality where he could defeat yama in his bankai. But this would also make no sense since he went back and broke ichigos bankai before he could even use it. So why wouldn’t he be able to do it against yama in the past? The only explanation to this is that he didn’t have the almighty in the past.
@@damaniherrington4170 the problem with the whole feat is, as impressive as yama's full arsenal is, there still should just have been no way he'd even come close to defeating yhwach - the almighty was beaten only by a combination of EXTREMELY contrived plot devices and nearly-as-broken hax abilities which yama definitely does not have. I think Kubo potentially realised the same (that he'd made a character and ability that was way too broken) and thus opted NOT to go for the 1000 year flashback everybody wanted - zero way to explain how yhwach is defeated
(though i head-canon one of the original gotei 13 captains must have had a counter of sorts and yama sacrificed them and the others besides Unohana in a combined assault, thus "defeating" yhwach)
Very good point! It makes sense too, I can’t imagine the Almighty being defeated without a very plot convenient arrow.
I am from the future and it’s true
Ichibei seal the almighty away so Yammamoto never fought Yhwach at his best
He wasn’t surprised idiot he already knew he had almighty he knows he’s the son of the soul king idiot he also knows the soul kings ability’s bc he fought beside him
The fact I was thinking to myself why hasn’t ppl rlly gone in depth abt this topic like it’s so interesting due to the lore,narrative between both characters and even there actual feats!! Bless u chuck for answering my prayer. 😂 now I’m still waiting on that saskue,Ulquiorra gauntlet💪
Personally, I think this comes down to 1 question. Can Yamamoto's flames evaporate Ichibei's ink. If so than Yamamoto wins if not Ichibei wins.
Exactly that's the only question that matters, they say his flames can erase things from existence so its clearly not just super hot fire it seems to work on a conceptual level. If it applies to Ichibe's ink it cancels most of his OP hax, both at full power I take Yamamoto if Ichibe can seal some of it than I'd take him. Yhwach purposely avoids Yamamoto & waits til he's weakened to show up implying he feared him, he fights Ichibe head on even tho he could've used his elites to wear him down some implying he had no issues handling him alone
Its not Ink, its Blackness.
So no
@@khulmach9662 That's just his shikai, his bankai uses ink.
@@demigodking2334 Blackness all the same, just in the visual of liquid
@@khulmach9662 just like me.
This video made me realize that the strongest Yamamoto we have ever seen wasn’t just nerfed, but holding back *because he didn’t want to vaporize the Seretei.*
I’d still give it to Ichibe via hax, but I would buy the idea that two handed, full power Bankai Yamamoto could out brawl the 0 Division head captain.
Interesting take!
He used all of his bankai moves 1 after 1 he didnt have a single reason to hold back in speed against Yhwach's clone lol
@@footy743 Yes he did if his bankai is active to long he'd destroy the seretei so he finished the fight as quickly as possible
The seritei can be rebuilt he knows it was gonna be destroyed by yhwach anyway so... Ichibe is far from being defeated by Yamamoto
@@Avg_nightwalker W
Ichibei’s ink isn’t an actual ink. It’s literally a metaphysical property. I don’t even think Yamamoto’s flames would have any effect on the ink. If anything the ink would just null the flames. Ichibei would stomp in my opinion. Most of the royal guard were weak but Ichibei was not.
Finally a person who understands the concept of ichibes power, idk why they keep saying his yama will evaporate his ink as if it’s just water 😭😭
Yeah it's probably not ink literally black itself
Oetsu was strong too
not to mention now that the anime is released. yamaoto actually didnt defeat ywach on his own. he had 12 other captains and chojiro. ywach didnt have almighty. chojiro coudl even back stab him./ so ywach was not all seeing back then at all if chojiro could sneak up on him and stab him in the back giving yama the chance to defeat him.
Oetsu definitely is a beast who would stomp most of the Quincy and Shinigami lmao.
I honestly think Ichibei wins pretty easily since his hax would directly effect Yama's power output being able to rewrite his zanpaktou and all
Everyone forgets Ichibei nerfed Ichigo by keeping Zangetsu's real name from being revealed... He can block a zanpakuto's potential
@@oghaze9318 where was this stated?
@@Vezuls i believe Tite Kubo himself confirmed it in a Q&A not too long ago
@@udiin6518 ok makes sense. I knew it was not in the manga. If you have a link could i see? That’d actually make a lot of sense so i hope it’s true
@@Vezuls so i don't as i'm not a member myself, but i had a peek and it comes from "Klub Outside" (site where Kubo occasionally responds to subscriber questions) and its Question 117. Questioner asks whether Zangetsu's blacked out name in Chapter 61 (i think) was the work of Ichibei to which Kubo simply responded "yes".
The Yamamoto vs yhwach fight is seriously going to break the internet. I’m so goddamned hype for it
Yeah, its gonna be amazing!
wait is this anime or manga...what chapter the last anime episode in manga
@@noobbuddycantdragmedown2607 480
Well about that…
@@llamathecooldude691 What?
Love the bleach videos Chuck keep it up 💯💯💯
Thank you!
The fight that we don’t deserve but the one Chuck is willing to give
This is a good one I've been waiting for someone to talk about this
27:51
damn right!
Kyoraku's bankai even shook the likes of *Chad*
I haven't watched it yet but I bet it will be great video.
Love your content man, keep it coming.
What about Barrigan vs Coyote Starkk?
Appreciate it!
Starrk wins. He has more reiatsu so he can negate Respira.
@@kodoqbesar4301 Cool.
This video was straight fire...
Most things I heard here are arguments I've made already on fb..
It's like you guys read my mind
I love chuck and Clyde’s co labs amazing work as always my guys.
Much appreciated!
6:58 "He does have the strongest, if not the oldest fire Zanpakutou" It's both. The oldest and strongest Fire type.
It’s the most powerful offensive zankpaktou
I feel the hax negation ability was pretty underdeveloped in the story, and if it was fully fleshed out then this discussion would likely have a more definitive answer.
fax, pure fax
Well the hax from ichibe comes from the soul king himself you need to reach the soul king tier to negate that
THIS is a fight I wanted to hear about! Goodsnhit chuckyboy
I would honestly love to see some more Bleach content on this channel.
Gotchu!!
I put my money on Yamamoto
Yhwach stole his Bankai, and Yamma only had 1 arm (which implies he's weaker...? Yhwach made a comment about Yamma only having 1 arm)
Ichibie only stood that long because his ability couldn't be stolen. Ichibie vs Yhwach was a hacker vs hacker
While Yamma was so OP he was killed with his ability being stolen and by surprise
(assuming his Bankai couldn't be stolen, believing a Bankai that has it's limits reached can be stolen, when Yhwach just instructed nobody else steal his Bankai because logic)
agreed yamamoto got this
Ichibe almost beat ywatch if he didn’t have the almighty. Yamamoto on the other hand lost to an arguably weaker ywatch
@@Zeno1781 I wanna see Yhwach vs Yamma, no stealing Bankai
Ichibie had that bs where his Bankai can't be stolen, which gave him the advantage to have a fair fight against Yhwach (Also Ichibie's purpose was to show how The Almighty worked, it was a set up to show Yhwach is a broken hax character)
What chance did Yamma have against Yhwach without Bankai
Though Ichibie vs Yamma, both with Bankai, Yamma's South and East gives him a massive advantage via range attacks, not saying he'll sweep but he definitely has an upper hand against Ichibie
@@HebiSaru21 it couldn’t be stolen cause its technically not even a zanpakuto and doesn’t even have spiritual pressure cause yhwach stated that he doesn’t even feel anything at all from ichimonji and ichibe has arguably conceptual erasure cause he can controll and erase the identity that makes u up thats why he called yhwach the one once know as yhwach caude hes identity got erased
Yhwach => Bankai Yama or at the very least they are relative.
Ichibei negs Yhwach.
Ichibei > Yama
Great match up and one I'd never thought of before both narratively and in concept 👍
My take? Very dependant on a few factors. It isn't a question of whether or not Yammy's flames could evaporate ichibei's ink. It's shown in the clash with Yuwach that the ink acts like a liquid and is subject to force regardless of if it can be evaporated.
The real question here is whether exposure to the ink applies hacks to spiritual pressure. If so Yammy doesn't stand a chance. If not? Yammy has the advantage. Ichibei's hax affect Yammy less than Ywach as both will have advanced Intel on each other and will do everything to prevent exposure from either side's Zanpakuto abilities.
Deciding factor for both sides? Ichibei's force palm ability in conjuction with his ink to bypass Yamamoto's flames, or turning Yammy undead servants against him as a distraction.
For Old man Yammy? Simple proximity and diversity of techniques. Ichibei doesn't have Blut Vein and trying to keep his distance will only play into Yammy's hand. Shikai flames to entrap and Bankai to apply the killing blow.
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Thanks so much!!
Chuck coming in clutch and finally the doomslayer video yeah boy!
@@thorshammer7883 chuck said it in the comments
@@thorshammer7883 ive played 2016 and eternal idk much scaling on the series but I'm a fan and chucks been wanting to do a scale since eternal released in 2020 but had to wait for the dlcs and new info to drop before he scaled doomguy
Thanks for watching!
8:30 They're not so afraid that they can't stand, they're just aware of the drastic difference in power between them.
Why is the hell is this even a thing? Yama had to go bankai against a base FAKE yhwach, while ichibei in BASE was TOYING with yhwach. The only reason why he released with zanpaktou in that fight was to humiliate him even further. Yhwach NEEDED the almighty to kill him.
There’s zero reason to believe Yama couldn’t beat yuha (again) if he wasn’t super tired and have his bankai stolen. Almighty would be the deciding factor if those other two things didn’t happen, and it decided the Ichibe fight too. Now I’m not saying Ichibe isn’t stronger than Yama, as I don’t even think they are technically the same thing. Ichibe is to shinigami as yuha is to Quincy, a Demi god type thing…but the reasons you stated are irrelevant to the broader issue. Yama would have beaten yuha just as Ichibe did.
I really just think it depends on how they act, if ichibe tries to play around he might get turned into ash, if hes bloodlusted then yama cant really do anything coz hax. Good breakdown overall cant wait for that yama vid
i waited forever for someone to do a vid on this, gonna watch it b4 bed. subbed just coz u made it
Thanks for watching!!
Saving this to watch later
I will go with Ichibei. Can't wait to see him fight in the Anime.
Facts
It'll be amazing!!
It's mentioned that he is the one who can beat Yamamoto Ina fair
1 on 1
@@aliddda328 Wait rlly? Was it from one of the light novels cuz I don’t remember that from the manga and CFYOW 1
So hyped for the anime
I deserve my heart chuck🥺
Awesome video guys 🔥🔥
Thanks for watching!
Great video guys really!
Thanks!!
This should be very interesting.
Pre watch I'm going with Ichibe.
Let's see what post is...
They kept mentioning the statement by yamamoto that he says that no one born in the last 1000 years is stronger than him. In the novel, ichibei was born after the soul king so ichibei is millions of years old
Exactly Ichibei is way older than Yamamoto
Glad to see some Bleach content on the channel, road to 200k subs ayyy
Can't wait!
I can’t wait for the anime to return as Bleach being my all time favorite anime.
Bruh, this has been on my mind for ages. I can't believe you made this video. Awesome.
Glad to hear it!
Shikai Yamamoto was still susceptible to Aizens hypnosis despite having "transcendent" spiritual pressure (yama, not aizen at that moment) during FKT, no? So even with Aizen's spiritual pressure statement holding true, hax seems to work still. Idk if there's a threshold for how much stronger than your opponent you have to be but if Ichibei and Yama aren't too far apart then Ichimonji's ink should be able to power neg
Well done. Dobra robota
Y'all should do another video after the anime is done on this arc it'd be bad ass seeing we would have more info
I think its a matter of who gets the first strike but I agree with the 4/10 and 6/10 statement. I remember watching one of the vs battles from Aizen’s World and he states that Ichibe's ink can be interpreted metaphorically and not literally that's why he thought Ichibe would always win this battle. That's a pretty interesting discussion on its own. Great video as always.
From a plot perspective alone, Ichibei should be stronger.
The RG were said to be stronger than all of Soul Society and he is regarded as the leader of all Shinigami.
He even has the number 1 in his name.
I don't think Kubo could have made it more obvious.
True but it’s Kubo lol. He did this then got the zero division murked then had the people who beat them get beat by people from the Gotei. All depends on what kubo wants.
Then the 0 Division got killed lol. Really disappointing display, except for Ichibe himself.
that doesn't mean anything. It's clear Yama wasn't interested in being a zero division in the first place. He founded the Gotei 13. Makes perfect sense he'd want to stay as the head captain
I love this channel
powerscale ideas?
Virgil
Akuma ( to get that street fighter 6 hype)
Heihachi
Crazy how I've been looking at vids about this matchup lately...
Sidenote: Since I don't read the novels I didn't know Ichibe was like a million years old😂
Yep, mad experience!
I don't really see this being much of a match up...not because I think Yama is weak at all, but simply because Ichibei's ability makes him otherworldly. Ichibei's broken ability beats any bleach character besides Yhwach with The Almighty. You can also make a case for Hogyoku fused Aizen winning as well, if the Hogyoku's evolution powers work against Ichibei's hax.
Love me some bleach feets!
Nice vidya btw chuck just about to eat!
It's going to be so dope to see the tybw animated
I think Yamamoto would win whether or not you use the aizen statemt of spiritual pressure negating hax/abilities by the fact Yamamoto defeated Yhwach while he had the almighty and like you guys said Yamamoto getting old did little to affect his strength and since he has both arms in this scenario and isn't enraged. The Almighty is outright shown to be more powerful than ichibe's hax and other abilities so by that logic the Yamamoto in this scenario would be able to beat ichibe who has hax inferior to the almighty obviously not casually it will be a close match I'd say Yamamoto would win 7/10 times.
His sword also "evolved" and he said he kept his swords full ability a secret in the past, which is even more fascinating. His old age really had no effect!
@@ClydeCZcamsr OK you saying Yamamoto's sword evolved and he possiy held back in the past now I don't even think ichibe would win at all lmao or at least 9/10. Wish Yamamoto wasn't stubborn and got healed by orihime I hope you do him justice in your video bro.
Just because the flash can beat Superman doesn’t mean he can move a planet from the sun
@@thatoneguy9816 I mean he can run fast enough to threaten the universe so moving a planet is nothing
@Blueray I mean you don't even explain why ichibe's abilities being at a disadvantage against the almighty matters or how they are but ok. I mean it isn't an assumption Yamamoto defeated yhwach a thousand years ago thats just a fact also you pointing out that zanpakuto didn't exist back then just makes my point stronger now this means Yamamoto wasn't at full strength before meaning in this video scenario he's at his absolute peak.
Great video and analysis. I'd favor Ichibei more often than not.
You and me both!
Chuck this was really good. But can you do Vegito vs Gogeta all version? i always wanted to know who is the strongest out the two.
Love tha content brotha!
Thanks for watching!
@@Chuck nah that you Chakku-sama!! Lol
16:30 Wrong.
They can't steal it due to it being hollowfied.
As for Yamomoto's , its potentially dangerous for the user. You need enough power to resist it yourself. It will passively destroy the entire Soul Society and the user himself even with the greatest amount of self control
Aizen is never surprised by Yamamoto's power, he's suprised by Yamamoto's methods. The kido for example, Aizen explicitly states that he didn't think Yamamoto would use such a technique at a moment's notice, without even the faintest hint of hesitation.
Ichibe wins I think. I don't think Yamamoto is strong enough to negate the ink, or the mausoleum of night.
Zanka no tachi north is faster then mosulem... Both are one shots
Interesting vid, it I sometimes think Kubo changed a lot of the narrative regarding the later part of the story. E.G he said that there was a royal family and then the whole Okken thing too. And the would king initially having limbs too.
Big chuckieeeeeeee
Aye bb
Yamamoto didn't defeat the Almighty. YHWHACH didn't use it in the past
Thank you.
Thanks to Ichibei for the nerf
I have a question for everyone. Can someone from Naruto survive Shunsui's Bankai or Ichibei's Shirafude Ichimonji?
Bleach world stronger, but prolly Madara
Eh maybe isshiki or manga kawaki but other than than them idk
If we include "Boruto" then like 50 characters. If we only say "Naruto" then Madura, Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi with both eyes, and Kaguya. Those 5 have the best shot of surviving.
Naruto has a very high heat tolerance himself. Since kurama’s chakra could temporarily glob off Amaterasu as a teen. Could argue the much stronger adult version could do it
Majority, if not all the god tiers can avoid, counter and/or tank it.
Hey man, have you ever thought of doing a video like Garou vs Boros?
I'm glad you gave me a spoiler warning, I could avoid being spoiled about those snacks
Honestly. We need to See Yamamoto vs Yuach So we can figure out HOW THE HELL HE BEAT HIM.
Ichibe wins 10/10 times. He is the 2nd oldest being(only Reio is older). He toyed with the same Ywach that defeated Yama. His powers are straight hax, and he cant die.
Yama- no soul reaper born in the past 1000 years is stronger than me.
Ichibe- no soul reaper born after me is stronger than me(he didnt say this but he wouldnt lead 0 squad if he wasnt the strongest)
The strongest fire type zanpaku-to statement is in the first or second data book aswell (I believe the first one) it shows the scene of shikai Yamamoto and states that he has the strongest fire type zanpaku-to
Finally someone is doing this topic
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@Chuck you have no idea for how long I've been waiting for this very vedio...thanks
Yamamoto would lose because he vowed to never use his Bankai ever again and that if he did, he would not be able to return, meaning, he meant to die in combat or he would retire as the Head Captain. This goes to show how much this vow means to Yamamoto, and honestly... I somehow doubt that Yamamoto would even consider to use his Bankai against Ichibei. Yamamoto is actually incredibly ashamed of himself and regrets the use of his bankai, when he used it 1000 years ago to fight Ywach.
As in Yamamoto's own words, "That is a monster that appeared in Soul Society a long time ago. It appeared when Soul Society was facing a difficult situation, only to make the situation worse."
Yamamoto's sheer strength killed friends and foe alike as large area of affect of his Bankai indiscriminately killed anyone close enough or anyone who got caught up in an attack. I would also assume that in his original fight 1000 years ago against Ywach, the fight was a long drawn out fight, and the sheer heat of his bankai ended up killing numerous innocents and also his comrades.
Yamamoto only decided to use his Bankai again when facing Ywach because of the immense stress and emotional turmoil he had from having so many people he cared about, die left and right, so he felt the need to end the battle as soon as possible.
If we are talking about a Yamamoto who would not hesitate to use his Bankai, then I think he has a decent chance against Ichibei, but in a fight without his bankai, Yamamoto has a very slim to no-chance.
I appreciate the content, the collabs are legendary! Yama scolds him by saying “No Bankai!”. Gg!😂😂😂😂 But in all seriousness, I do believe Yama with both arms and being serious would beat Ichibei. I like them both quite a bit. I’d say Yama beats him 8/10 times high difficulty. (In my opinion)
Bankai Yamamoto and ywach both scale anouce dangai and all aizen forms 😭. Other then that great video first timer you guys actually getting it right for the most part.
A very interesting video would be: What if the captains that were trapped in Hueco Mundo helped the others in Karakura Town?
What if Unohana, Kenpachi, Byakuya and Mayuri were there from the beginning, I mean, those are not ordinary captains, they arguably the top tier captains in the Gotei 13.
I believe it is Yamamoto who's more powerful. Aizen believed as a transcendent he could beat the Zero Squad and Yamamoto in just Shikai was stated as a transcendent by Ukitake. I also believe 1,000 years ago Bankai Yamamoto beat Yhwach with Almighty, I think Yhwach couldn't see a future where he actually beats Yamamoto at the time and instead took the future where he returns 1,000 years later and has medallions to steal bankai's. Imo Zanka no Tachi simply has too much raw power that it over powers Ichibei's hax, I mean if simply left active too long it can destroy the Soul Society completely and that could be any size.
CAP. He didn’t even use the Almighty against Yamamoto. It took Ichibe for him to bring it out. Sorry for the late response.
@@maia3420 when was it stated that yhwatch didn't use it in their battle 1000 years ago?
@@somerandomperson5473 I didn’t say 1000 years ago. However we know for a fact neither Yhwach nor Yamamoto were as powerful 1000 years ago as they were in the current story.
@@maia3420 He didn't have access to Almighty when he fought Yamato at the start of the TYBA, that is why he made several people fight and tire out Yamato who was weaker than he was in his prime. Yhwach was weaker than Yamato at regular power so he forced him to spend a lot of power to weaken Yamato then gloat about being able to beat a one armed old man who just killed a copy of himself. It was like gloating about beating up Mike Tyson after he ran a marathon... not much of an achievement when you signed him up for the marathon in the first place.
I have to disagree. No matter how strong Yamamotos bankai is we have seen people take it on. It is not destructive in the sense that it immediately kills everything, if so, Yamamoto vs fake Ywach wouldn't even have been a fight. Not to mention, the only thing we have seen get rid of Ichibei's hax/ink is even more broken hax, not raw power, especially when said power can be decreased or removed by Ichibei. Ichibei was the person to give the name shikai and bankai and the name of all Zanpakutos and everything in the Soul Society so he would definitely know about Yamamotos powers.
Ichibei's ability has been stated to affect all black in the universe while yamamoto is only limited to soul society
Yama isn't limited to soul society. He will destroy the universe(s)
And yammamoto emits light. It engulfs his body. Darkness cant touch him.
@@Vagabond824 anything emitting light creates shadows lol
@@sangun123 light everywhere = no shadows 😉
@@wes3793 Ichibes reaitsu >>> yamamotos reaitsu
accept it
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Chuck what if a valtramite and a hulk were mixed to gether like you did the valtramite vs siayens can you do that again but as a hulk please it's really interesting
Both times Yamamoto lost was because he was caught off guard by some sort of hax, so he would probably also be caught off guard here too. Strength wins in the long run however. If they were to fight 10 times in sequence and they got to know each other's abilities more and more for subsequent fights, Yamamoto would have a decent chance of taking the majority.
no. ichbei would never lose to yama. theres clearly a massive difference in thier their power. the fact that ichbei could be so transcnded that even ywach could abrely sense him in thier fight. i mean how could anyone see the man who gave power to bankais etc and automatically knows everything about all bankai etc lose to yama. not to mention ichibei is immortal and controls all black which is what everyone is amde of. ywach is the only reason ichbei could lsoe since the almighty hax> ichbeis control all black hax.
I think the "Strongest Zanpakuto" title is more of the traditional sense of strength. Yammamoto when he fights with just his shikai its felt all over the seretei. You know he is fighting even wen you are even remotely close and thats just the shikai. While Ichibei is strong in the hax side of power.
Yeah, Yamamoto has the "Ultimate Fire/Combat type Zanpakuto" while Ichibe clearly uses a Kido/Support type Zanpakuto.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 doesn't matter if it's conceptual. His Zanpakuto isn't a combat type, it doesn't deal damage, it debuffs/alters his opponent and anything else it paints over. That means it would be classified as a support type. Same as Urahara's Bankai, Unohana's Shikai, Aizen's Shikai, etc.
Still waiting for your scp gods video but for now this will do.
It's a long project, but I'll try to get it done for this year!!
This fight is the definition of 'who hits first'
If we had a situation were they both had there bankai/awakened zanpakto removed then Yamamoto definitely wins, otherwise True Name would probably prevail but Ichibei would have to speak pretty quickly if he doesn’t want his tongue along with the rest of his body to literally be burned out of of existence
surely its the opposite; Yama's bankai is the only thing giving him the chance here, no? Ichibei is faster (4000 ri feat after he initially palms yhwach away), physically stronger at least not weaker (crushed yhwach's throat, broke Yhwach's own Sankt Alter simply by flexing the muscles in his left arm etc...), better kido (no other character has ever shown even an inkling of the "secret kido" he used, and who knows how many more hidden ones he has up his sleeve), and let's say comparable reiatsu since we have nothing to go on there beyond knowing both will be right near the top.
While i don't think it would, you can argue a win for yama if you think ZKT would, ironically, nullify the power-nullifier in ichimonji. Furthermore, Ichibei's bankai is more of a support type in truth so not that helpful to him in a hypothetical 1v1.
Without bankai I don't see any argument here for yama, two hands or not
@@udiin6518 you’re 100% right here. I have no idea what the commenter was thinking. The only possible scenario in which yamamoto wins is if he has his bankai and both arms. Ichibe has massively better kido, bakudo, hado, and hakuda so it’s super weird that he commented this and even weirder that anyone liked it.
@@B1izzardd beats me man, i tend to assume its just because most commenters never actually read through the manga - and especially the actual Ichibe/Yhwach fight - so they just repeat things they've read other people say that support what they want to be true even if factually wrong...
@@udiin6518 I also think that there’s a factor where they just want one character to win even if that isn’t what’s going to happen in an accurate hypothetical. A form of favoritism can cloud obvious scaling. At least that’s what I expect from these comments.
I think Yama wins with two hands since its implied he was surpressed since he had only one hand vs the fake Ywach. Also Yamamoto was the head of the gotei since he was formed. So that could also imply maybe at some point some if not all of the Zero division were part of the original gotei 13 and were later promoted into the Zero division. I mean when Ywach said Yama used to be far more ruthless and defeat Ywach in the past maybe this could imply a young Yamamoto was even stronger than the one we saw in the thousand year blood war. Plus Yamamoto basically has four abilities which is like four bankai compared to other characters. I think if I remeber correctly Aizen had to plan for Yamamoto along with the potential of Kenpachi but he seemed to not fear the Zero division at all (even though Kubo didn't come up with their characters yet as far as I know)
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 I think maybe both characters were part of the original gotei 13 in the first war with the quincies. It seemed like when the Zero Squad saw Ywach try to invade it wasn't the first time they saw him, so could they all have been former captains and later promited besides Hikufune who was promoted after Kisuke became captain of squad 12
Can you make a video futering lord of the rings characters?
I hope you can do a video about EOS(end of series) Ichigo vs Yamamoto, I never seen that before
Agree
genuine question: why does everyone assume yama has more reiatsu than ichibei when ichibei is much much older (like before the beginning of the current universe/universes) and has large enough range to be able to peer across multiple worlds and dimensions
its interesting, isn't it. I think it boils down to the way they've been portrayed really:
Yama's won a lot of very public fights - he's been demolishing everything thrown his way for years, and almost always has several or many observers to his fights that give us (the audience) all kinds of comments and statements about how powerful he is. While in practice most of these observers likely in reality aren't in a position to judge how yama would fare against any of the other top tiers in the bleach universe, to us readers he has always just seemed like the pinnacle of strength everyone else aspires to be, and indeed he was exactly that for most of the story. His power of fire enhances this even more - at least outwardly, its the most awe-inspiring power to have and for us to see on the page/screen.
by contrast, NOBODY has seen Ichibei in battle - his one fight against Yhwach was a loss and had no third party observers (so no superlative comments from, e.g. Oetsu to fall back on), and due to the way the plot had to move at that point he ended up being used mainly to show how powerful Yhwach was - consider for a second how many other characters in the story would be able to even recover any of the 50% power casually stolen by SEALED ichimonji, let alone anything that came after.
It just so happens yhwach was basically the only character in the series that could possibly have countered Ichibei's power-nulling, but because the only time we've seen ichibei's powers used they were countered, to the reader it makes them seem a lot more easily counterable ("Aizen would defo just negate with Reiatsu", "yama wouldn't be touched i'm sure he'd just burn the ink off before it reached him"...etc)
I can almost guarantee had Ichibei been shown a few feats BEFORE fighting his perfect plot-protected counter in Yhwach - perhaps something like low-diffing or nullifying a character on the level of, say, Byakuya - you'd get way, way less of this.
Yamamoto got edged out of the higher tiers because alot of HAX abilities introduced towards the end. Pretending that Yamamoto is still a threat to people who negate causality and/or existence is an act of desperation.
Shikai Aizen's illusions affect Yamamoto just fine. All late Bleach HAX abilities except Shunsuis bankai are on the table still.
@@shihoblade no Aizen whole thing was that he has a lot of spiritual pressure and everyone else doesn’t have that so the hacks wouldn’t work. Also most of them would die from one hit of anyway.
@@asura3229 BS, You think Gerard, the goddamn heart of god with twice boosted by Yhwach cant use his skill on someone that regular shikai Aizen can? Thats pure BS.
Aizen is talented but his spiritual pressure doesnt reach Yamamotos level at all and his illusions still work just fine.
And who is Yama oneshotting? He cant oneshot Gremmy, Jugram, Gerard, and Angel form Lile.
He has enough firepower to vaporize Pernida except Pernida can easily absorb his flame and evolve. Same with Askin. Hell Askin can make Yamas flames poisonous to Yama and boom Yamas own power melts his owner away.
@@shihoblade No he has comparable SP because his power worked on Yamamoto he doesn’t have the output to defend and attack in Shiki to fight Yamamoto even in Banki (which is a five to ten times amp) but in sheer amount of reishi he wins.
It was stated by Yhwach they couldn’t steal his banki because they were too weak, Why do you think there haxs would work.
Gremmy, gerard, jugram gets no diffed his presence alone was going to destroy the soul society, one banki hit would do it.
I like how it can go both sides but I think I side with Ichibei. His abilities just give him the edge in this type of fight
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What up?
@@zelz3011 You again? lol
I'd say we don't need to go this far as for ichibei to take down yamamoto. Gerard alone would have been more than enough to take down yamamoto as he got no way of dealing with his miracle power.
How about a Nimaiya video? He was the only other zero division member that actually performed decently
Ayo chuck, i have a request.. That is if you can do it! If you cannot than thats alright, but if you can than I thankyou! My request is, can you power scale Ultra Vegito the G.O.D killer? From CALLMEARJ
The fire wouldn't affect ichibei's ink because ichibei doesn't manipulate ink, he manipulates black and everything black. It's more of a concept than a physical attack.
Scenarios:
1. Ichibei uses the black of yamas clothes to cover him and therefore erase his name rendering him useless and ichibei then kills him.
2. Ichibei uses the black of yamas shadow to erase the name of his zanpakuto rendering it useless and then he can effectively fight and overpower yama
Abstract abilities > raw power. Ichibei's ability ONLY counter IS almighty(and maybe Uryuu's Antithesis)
It's not raw power bruh... He wipes things out of existence with his bankai.
Well in the bleach verse raw power>hax, Aizen proved this when he negged Soifon's shikai.
@@openmindedskeptic9014 damn u shut his ass up
@@openmindedskeptic9014 Ichibei also has raw power lol
@@fg009letyrds8 Nowhere even close to Yama
Clyde is Australian yes? I've been meaning to leave a comment and ask for a while now but yeah.. cheers boys, great video so far 🤙🏾👏🏾
Thanks for watching!!
@@Chuck naaaahh thank you Daddy Chuck 🥵
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I think this comes down to two things:
If Ichibe's hax goes over Zanka no Taichi
Or if you think (hypothetically) a fully healed two armed Yama could take Juha Bach assuming he couldn't steal his bankai since he didn't(couldn't) steal ichibie who fairs FAR better in their battle.
Love the vid!
Yeah I agree tho the fact we've never seen a fair fight against a full power Yama, kinda says something to me about how strong he was, tho it could also just be a strategy of yuha cause I mean, if you have the option to fight someone not at full power, then why not. Yuha doesn't seem into fighting strong people just for the sake of fighting so it makes sense.
Let us not forget that yama has canonically already beaten yuha b4 the tybw take. that as you will
Ichibe hax is a power that was granted to him and only him by the soul king of course will work
ichibei 's spiritual pressure is comparable to Yhawch. This was stated when they were fighting.
Lmao Yamamoto can't get out of Ichibei's hax.
Even without hax, ichibei is sooooooo underplayed it's disgusting.
The new hell arc could drastically change this debate in Yamamoto’s favor since beings in hell get a major power boost like Szayelaporro
Ichibei is the only guardian soul king for a reason.. hands down stronger