Why Kratos VS Doomslayer Isn't Close
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- Why Kratos VS Doomslayer Isn't Close! Within the world of video games, the 3 Godslayers, Dante, Doomguy, and Kratos are always compared to each other. In this video however, we will try to decipher who would win between the Ghost of Sparta and the Unrelenting Demon slayer, Doomguy. Who is faster, stronger, and smarter? I go over feats, statements, and the lore of both characters to determine who would win and why!
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You can't compare stabbing a guy who created things to a universal level of strength. You can say he had the creative power to make everything but you can't say it took any more than normal force to hurt him. Also gameplay aside it's implied you shoot every enemy... so your either saying doomguys guns are useless and he shouldn't use them, or your saying bullets can can't destroy a planet can at least bruise this guys skin. Someone who can level Manhattan with their first would break this mans very bones and his boner. Applicable force my friend. Goku if we were to use an example has had so to speak. See force is lost when you strike but ki should allow 100 percent of an attack to hit, ki can stop force from spreading out. Continued
What your saying is that the doomsayers foes can concentrate their universe destroying power into their fists, stopping the force from running away like god Goku does against beerus, like ki control. But there's no evidence for this and the fact that bullets even work puts the durability well under planetary. The issue with scaling doomguy upwards to guys like Goku is hard because lore around ki tells us that Goku can logically concentrate the raw force of his attacks in a way we can't, imagine a Jedi using force crush to keep a shockwave from spreading out. Cause a shockwave on a target but stop that shockwave from spreading out, and you hit the with more force... that how ki can become super strength on its own, without say super sayajin. So doomguy has no outward force control therefore he can't possibly be hitting with that much force as he would via friction thru the air cause nuclear explosions. That's what happens when you break hydrogen bonds btw... so that's what your suggesting he would cause hydrogen to break and bomb himself if not the first time after a few hits he'd do it. Given demons should be more hydrogen than humans... your saying that the man should be nuking himself... and his punches would be like a super sayajin god without ki control. Instant destroyed earth. So given those implications, we can logically assume that flying thru the heavens is travel speed, and that creating the universe doesn't translate to offensive power. Doomguy is likely capable of throwing a few city blocks this, or doing things we see my hero characters do and beyond. He's more durable that Invincible the strongest viltrumite. But he's nowhere near multiversal in power. He has just stopped people who can use Powers that are multiversal, obviously meaning he never faced that direct force of universal destruction, he stopped it from happening or avoided it. Infinite speed was never used on him, we can't say that the saraphim ever fought at those speeds just traveled.
I'm not beefing you I'm just making a statement about applicable force and ability usage and how they aren't the same. Thanks for teaching me how btw... did you do this on purpose? Were you... looking for someone to chip in their input?
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There's only one way an encounter between Kratos and Doomguy would go:
Doomguy: "..."
Kratos: "Hmm."
*And they lived hapily ever after.*
Except for Doomguy, his rabbit is still dead, but yeah, other than that, yeah, he would be pretty happy.
@@Person-who-has-a-face he got an insane pc setup to play animal crossing so he'd be very happy
@@Person-who-has-a-facekratos lost his family you think a rabbit is as important as a family ok we are talking about the same guy who's hunting down all demon life because of it so ye
kratos would help doomslayer kill demons and they would have a blast and become best friends
@@WannabeGamer2218 kratos doesn't even like killing
Both are clearly only Wall level since they can’t seem to open any door with their fists outside of cutscenes.
Fax
@@Chuck No chuck, Doomguy can punch an iron block.
He just refused to remove doors. He has standards.
@@Chuck You forgot The Fourth Godslayer: Asura from Asura's Wrath.
Doomguy also punches through those walls in Eternal, those serve as doors in the files@@Chuck
Kind of the same as kratos althought he "Holds back" if you know what i mean
It's fun to consider that out of these two ultraviolent, action based god killers, there's very few situations I can picture where they would actually want or need to fight eachother. I can almost picture a silent feud between them where they bro out but always have an underlying underspoken competition of "See me do this feat? Really think you could actually beat me?"
The only situation where they would actually fight is if Kratos accidentally killed Doom Guy's bunny
@@1T4L14N or doom guy hurting atreus
Maybe zeus can trick the doom slayer into thinking kratos is a demon. Zeus is a heavenly figure, after all. If the slayer doesn't know much about the pantheon (and knows nothing of Hades) then there is no reason for the slayer to not believe Zeus.
@@1T4L14Nthat would be impossible for Kratos to do since doomguys bunny at this point has been dead for a while now since were taking doomguy aka slayer at his strongest whom is eons of years old
We gotta keep in mind both of these characters are in Fortnite sooooo
Another thing to give to the Slayer is that canonically, he has unlimited power. It is said in one of the in game lore (I forget which one) that he would always have the power to surpass his foe. This doesn’t mean that he is the strongest in the universe but that his power will automatically scale out of sheer will to surpass anything. He is literally to angry to be beaten.
Well, yes, de facto he is the strongest then. Then plot armor anyways. And you can't win against plot armor. You can argue the same for he power of hope.
Well there’s your problem, a guy that is too angry to be beaten meets a guy who’s too angry to die
They are both too angry to die
doom solos kratos but l feel like its not fair, doom seems like the guy l used as my main character in my lego build, bro had infinite plot armour, hence thats why l like God of War franchise more than Doom Slayer, kinda feels more realistic
@@DieEineMieze Power of hope means nothing to "Fuck you I win"
Apparently in the lore Doom guy only uses weapons to give his opponents a chance and his bare fists are powerful enough to take down literal gods.
True
Didn't he take down a titan by throwing hands
Hmmmm sounds like somebody else that on multiple occasions beat universal level threats to death with his bare hands lol....
Kratos through his immortality would go on a quest to find a loophole in dooms indestructability
@@ravencollins5638 Kinda complicated but yea.
In Doom 2016 it was stated by the Slayers Testament that he beat a Titan and it’s implied he did it bare handed.
Then in Doom Eternal it was explained that a Titan can’t fully die unless stabbed with a crucible.
So…. It kinda contradicts itself, unless I missed a piece of lore somewhere.
@@senatorarmstrong8960 I always assumed that it depends on the Titan.
Although you could theoretically kill the Icon of Sin with a large enough wood chipper, because wood chipper beats everything except for 682.
Just think about this
When doomslayer fought the creator of everything (the dark lord)
The dark lord took the form of the strongest being in creation to help him win the fight, the form he chose was the form of the doomslayer
Therefore the god of gods took the form of the slayer to try beating the slayer
slayer-ception
Facts
Slayer mania
Damn thats so badass
You didn't follow the lore of the game bro. The Dark Lord didn't take this form because it's doomslayer's but because it's his original form. He is the one who was there before anyone and he created everything and everyone
We all know Luigi would wipe thw floor with these guys
real
While just standing there, doing absolutely nothing
nah not really if luigi sneezed a little to hard all three of em would turn to dust
Curious george slams luigi
@@Monke2024Nah Santa Claus solos
Canonically the doom slayer’s armor has resisted point blank shots from the UAC’s strongest weapons without even a scratch
As Max0r stated: "The game is aware of how strong you are to the point that the only credible threat is your identical twin with red eyes in a gundam"
HAHAHA yup
That's why I approved of the fact that Davoth looks exactly like the DOOMSLAYER because in that universe, who could possibly be scarier than the DOOMSLAYER?? He was too easy though
@@HugoStiglitz88 Not only easy - boring.
my right brain: The darklord
my left brain: v2
@@fiox8170I mean if you listen to doomguys voice when he says no it's clearly very bored and he didn't even get scratched
@@fiox8170 nah that's a shit take. It wasn't boring at all. It's a fun fight but it should've been tougher than the seraphim
One thing worth noting that you missed was that it was stated that simply being in Hell constantly drains the soul. So that means that doomguy resisted a constant soul drain for eons, so that means the claws of hades wouldn’t work
I'm not so convinced by this one. There's a different between something being drained and something begins forcefully ripped out. For example. You can lean something heavy against a locked door all you want. There will be constant force applied to the door at all times...but this does not mean the door can't be forced. A solid kick might still be able to break that door open.
@@spiderturtle5292doom slayer is not affected by any type of reality/ magic manipulation including soul manipulation. Matter fact he has no vulnerability. I’d say his only vulnerability is losing his rage, which happened in the end of ancient gods 2 that’s why he dropped unconscious and got put back in his sarcophagus
@@spiderturtle5292 read the codex entry for the armored barons...
"With morning star gauntlets cursed by the Dark Lord himself; one devastating strike obliterates both body and soul."
So that means that means that withstanding a hit from that mace is withstanding a soul destroying attack from Davoth himself
@@conmanay4563 I think you misunderstood the purpose of my response. I'm not trying to argue as to who would win this encounter at all. I just saw flawed reasoning in the first comment and pointed it out. There's a similar flaw here too considering taking a soul isn't necessarily the same thing as destroying one.
@@spiderturtle5292 Yeah, but both are still from soul ressistance. And Kratos avoids his being ripped out through sheer will.
But...
Doom *Slayer* fought in hell through sheer will. Mental state still intact even eons still in it. A far longer stay than when he was still Doom Guy.
Both are immortal berserkers, who slay all varieties of gods, demons, and monsters. They would be friends
true
they're both too angry to die, I call it a stalemate.
Older Kratos is stated to be physically stronger than his younger self. All Greek gods get stronger with age.
Younger Kratos could still beat doom guy
true. Every day, hour, minutes, seconds, miliseconds, nanoseconds. Kratos' strength grows. Maybe kratos could pull all those into infinite strength but he aint gonna be a monster again
@@Evolution-wk2fnwake up to reality
@@Goji_Kratoswatch your profanity.
The center of gravity.
False. Eric Williams said older Kratos had to train consistently to get back to his younger level of strength
I like it that before the DLCs it was widely accepted that Kratos would win pretty easily but then the Ancient Gods dropped and it turned out even the creator of several dimensions wouldn't try to fight the slayer in a fair 1v1 battle.
It was an unfair battle in favor of Doomguy tho. Literally had the stolen power of Davoth. 😅
Okay... but the God's and demons from Doom are verrryyyy unimpressive in terms of power when compared to the ones from God of War. So I still see Doomguy as being overhyped when it comes to these vs battles.
@@KevinTarkaliterally how
@chestermicgun 1. Creating alternate planes of reality is pretty common for the God of War God's.
2. God of War Demons and Zombies (and what not) required much more effort to put down (and I'd remind you that most of the Doomslayers ordience is mass produced, not special in of itself).
3. Of the "Special Weapons" Doomguy gets, I'm unimpressed. They seem for like "plot points" that can occasionally be "situational Miguffins" Rather than effective combat tools.
@@KevinTarkayou seem to miss that the father created everything at the beginning. And Davoth is supposed to be stronger. His mere presence shakes the multiverse
Another thing you missed is that the Slayers skin is only penetrable by another primeval (a primeval from the DOOM universe not just any primeval)
In existence we have only ever known of 2 primevals existing. The Doomslayer and Davoth. That’s why the slayer wears his armor, and also gadgets and tech and vega.
But with the only other primeval we know of, being dead, doomslayers skin is now sealed to be IMPENETRABLE
I think the only reason he wears armor is so he’s not naked lol
He is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical.
@@modernyin6275 Imagine sheer fear the demons would feel if they had seen him standing naked with crusible in his hand.
The argent energy is highly radioactive and can literally damage kratos if he ever entered inferno
@@modeman15😳
It is said that the divinity machine gives the slayer power to match his will. Meaning he has as much power as he wants. If he really wants to he could just flick anything and it would just blow up
YES. Finally someone brought that up
I wonder how the crucible would affect Kratos, given It could permanently put down even the strongest of demons.
the crucible clashing vs the blade of Olympus sounds like the coolest joint I can even imagine💯💯💯
so if Zeus survived Blade of Olympus, does that mean Zeus is strong or the Blade is weak
@@ArmoredGyesnt
P temperature. It goes clean through him.
No, so as long hope exists Kratos cannot die. Even hope cannot be destroyed by a mere crucible blade.
Man to think this guy was put up against Master Chief back in the day.
Honestly according to the lore The Slayer could probably take trillions of Chiefs.
Ez
Yeah that was back before Doom 2016 even came out so Doom Slayer was just Doom Guy, a really effective soldier who feats were more grounded and comparable to someone like Master Chief. Now Doom Slayer is pretty much a God.
hes slaughtered trillions of guys stronger than Chief lol
Now master chief is beta chief...
Well Doomguy vs Chief is a good matchup. Doom Slayer though, after being blessed or whatever, could take on the entire Halo universe.
Actually Kratos is canonically stronger than his Greek self as Greek gods get more powerful as they age, the only reason he seems underpowered in the Norse trilogy is because he holds back to “keep his cool” so he didn’t become the monster he was in the Greek saga. He’s still got almost no chance against the slayer, but he is stronger than most realize
Hes immortal so nobody wins. The fight goes on eternally
@@Kill_noobs_simulator_fan*queue Me and the Birds by Duster*
@@Kill_noobs_simulator_fankratos would probably crack pretty quickly though. Neither dies, but doomguy has undeniably stronger will (fought for eons straight without any mental scarring)
@@toast6375tru
Except Krato's used the Sword of Olympus to depower himself at the end of GoW 3.
I hate powerscaling, but this video was pretty good... It is very well formatted and well edited.
I pretty much hate it with all characters. Doom slayer is only a little bit of an exception because hes more of a force of nature than a character.
I feel like this fight would go on forever, an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
I'd agree, and I'd watch it.
@@ExcuseMeWhat13 that needs to be a movie like that or something, kratos goes into Yggdrasil or something, ends up in the doom universe, there is some misunderstanding, they start fighting each other, and then there is a bigger threat that they need to fight together.
True, but that metaphor doesn't work here, after all sn immovable object doesn't necessarily equate to indestructible object just because something can't move doesn't mean it can't be shatter or be broken into pieces that CAN move.
@@onehitkill5816 that goes around the entire point of the metaphor, it means to forces that are equally powerful clash.
Its more like an unstoppable force meets an unstoppable force
I remember first hearing that doomslayer uses weapons only to prolonged the demons suffering. Dude could box demons like it's Nothing
Correction not box more like atomiz with his fists
actually in the game there is a perk called beserk (or something like that been awhile since I played) but it bassicly makes doom slayer close to being lore accurate where he rips apart every enemy with his bare hands.
why does melee do like 1 damage in doom eternal tho
@@dovakhiin7407 game mechanix it wouldn't be fun if you just killed everything instantly
@@captainvanghndamn
Should have ended the video after Doom Slayer's introduction lmao
The only way I can see this fight going is them becoming somewhat allies or an eternal fight similar to Dante and Vergil’s without the brother relationship
Personally I've always been of the opinion that Kratos has better strength feats (moving the 1.700.000 ton bridge, lifting the Tyr's temple and being strong enough to not allow Atlas to crush him etc.) while Doomslayer has better durability feats (eating argent plasma attacks hotter than the surface of sun, surviving 229 megaton Vega Core explosion, launching himself out of Ion Catapult into a building unaffected etc.
But after the implications of Doom's second DLC where Doomguy casually kills the creator of EVERYTHING I'm pretty sure the Doomguy should take this.
@@Evolution-wk2fnHow?
A sun ain’t that major. What’s the ion’s and bombs scaling if you don’t mind me asking ?
He didnt survive the core going of
@@Evolution-wk2fn he didnt tank it
Do you not know what an vacuum of energy is?
@@Evolution-wk2fn the mars base was there it wasnt destroyed
Plus the vacuum of energy is
''Vacuum energy is an underlying background energy that exists in space throughout the entire Universe. The vacuum energy is a special case of zero-point energy that relates to the quantum vacuum.''
Thats why Olivia Pierce survived the same event because vacuum energy is harmless to humans
And ds needed to prevent the foundry meltdown as it was a threat to him.
Kratos is incredible, but the doomslayer just keeps scaling indefinitely - and at this point he truely is unstoppable, unmovable. If he has reason to fight he will win.
The reason is, he’s mad at you… no force in fiction is going to stop him from turning your spine into ammo.
@@incarnation_of_immortality3422He’ll pluck off your arm and then beat you to death with it lol
@@incarnation_of_immortality3422 I just imagine Kratos hunting, Doom Slayer coming back from hell after finishing off another one and getting to his ship before he notices Kratos hit a Rabbit and then the fight starts.
DS is amazing but he isn't even a skidmark on King Kratos' toga
@ben-rhyno_gaming1844 Yet kratos can still die to Thor.
If the doom slayer and kratos were to arm wrestle, it'd be a tie.
Finally someone who knows the DOOM Lore and understands how crazy fcking strong the Slayer is.
The things he have accomplished is not comperable to any other characters.
Also, the slayer fought for eons with no sleep, no food, no pee breaks, no water. He was fighting all that time without stopping for a second
holy crap no pee breaks?!?1!?!?!1
@@joeypaulzine3769 He was holding it all in
@@armandomunoz85 what are you referring to?
@@armandomunoz85 I mean, there is no risk because there doesn't need to be. The doom slayer is just a god, and scales to whoever he needs to beat. the slayer is never in danger because he is the danger.
@@armandomunoz85 I mean, some people just want to be a god and not worry about it.
Also, I should mention that the Doom Slayer does in fact have a high resistance to soul manipulation considering that the lost souls couldn't possess him and the fact he's been in Hell for eons, and somehow still has his soul. Doom Slayer may also have a higher growth rate powersise as well due to him being able to absorb the souls of whatever he kills into himself and gain more power and strength from them as implied in the game's lore and stated by Hugo Martin.
Not to mention the Doomslayer owns the Crucible, which by lore has been confirmed to imprison souls as large as the Icons of Sin. If the slayer managed to land a fatal hit using the Crucible, it is very possible that Kratos would be immobilized so long as the blade remained in his body
Exactly. In the game itself, you can gain health/armour/ammo from the enemies you kill, reminiscent of him gaining power in the canon.
To the uneducated (myself), please explain who tf is doomslayer and why is he so powerful?
In addition the summoners in 2016 could chose to destroy people with argent waves or just outright turn them into the possessed. Robbing them of their Humanity and soul.
@@alexgutierrez3780 Meanwhile doomguy just smashes them lo
When the feet moving through space and time just mean exactly that that they can just move the time in space without any consequences is there anything that really says that they’re faster than time itself ?
The beat at the first half of the video is insane, where i can find it???
I honestly think that the Doomslayer is not even a character anymore, its an idea. What I mean is that is not like other characters with a set of skills and lore, but rather represents a principle of existence, the idea of wrath and anger. Other characters have a limit, and may die at some point given the right circumstances; but the Doomslayer is always there, not feeling pain, no tiredness, no fear, no struggle… just rage. And after that, is simply perpetual: every time any being in existence experiences anger, the Doomslayer lives, and that is unbeatable. I came to this conclusion after the Ancient Gods part 2, when he literally just walk up to the creator of all existence and then stabbed him in the chest without any effort. Rip and Tear until is done.
Fax
Almost like John Wick
That’s the truth. It’s why he fell to the ground when Davoth was dead, the entirety of reality was saved from the perils of Jakkad, and the sheer wrath that the slayer brought with himself wasn’t needed anymore.
I mean in the last DLC what you're saying here makes sense. Without the ruler of hell he can't exist. He is ying and then there's Yang
@@extinctiongaming3556he still exists, he’s just dormant, and they heavily hinted that he’s dormant… FOR NOW….
Biggest problem for Kratos is that doomguy is as far as we know physically indestructible and has infinite stamina. Kratos would last for a very long time but in the end wont have done anything to doomguy
Yeah,but both are immortal so it would be a draw, either way they wouldn't fight if they met
@@ofexiceKratos could be killed while doom guy has never takes damage. I don’t know if that is comparable
@@achmahnschdidn't Kratos die within 15 minutes of fighting Thor?
@@doyouremebervodka9387 Yeah he had to be revived with Mjolnir
@@achmahnsch yeah, that should be enough proof tbh
I think what’s crazy is that it’s very likely that base Doomguy from Eternal could probably hold his own against a bare fist Kratos using his anger “ult”. He could probably take those punches like it was thanksgiving dinner and not even break a sweat, let alone take damage.
if i remember, in the doom lore they explain how its praetor armor can resist to an explosion up to 3 times the electricity the whole world consume every year or something like that
If that is the case, that is extremely LOW durability if we are looking at cosmic scale or "god" scale!!
Another thing is that Doom Slayer canonically has instant resurrection. So if he dies, he gets back up and keeps fighting until either one gives up, or one of them dies permanently
But kratos was also cursed to walk the earth for eternity plus he killed which inturn made him death so he cant really die either he will come back after being killed
@@xitr0512 so they quite literally cannot win. They just keep fighting until deciding to stop. Brilliant
@@xitr0512kratos gets crucibled.
That is the entire reason doomguy has the crucible, to seal immortal enemies
@@LazerFrog_ you get it
yeah but as long as hope exists kratos will come back and kratos is IMMORTAL so he cannot die@@AJ-tr5ml
Yes, also I’d give strength to Doomslayer because he destroyed fathers god sphere witch is basically requires the same strength to crush the multiverse.
I was thinking about that but never actually counted it as a factor in his strength, considering how effortlessly he does it. Bro just crushed it as if it was an apple.
and he outright killed the champion of hell with his bare hands according to the slayer testament V codex entry
@@Lucas-wm7cwThe Doom Slayer crushed the father's soul sphere with just his barehands. which no person has ever had a thought of doing it he also lifted the Dark Lord's Soul Sphere. this means that he has a immeasurable amount of strength that no one ever match against.
@@MrLim-wq2gn does it say that in the codex cause I haven't read them all
@@Lucas-wm7cw if you're talking about lifting up the dark lord's soul sphere and crushing the father's soul one, that was shown in-game in the ancient god dlc but i don't know where he got the "which no person has ever had a thought of doing it"
It’s good to see your videos and about time you brought the Chad Slayer and Chad of War again
Its also said in the lore that doom slayer is always in berserk mode and can easily kill any demon with his hands and on occasions without weapons did this for crazy amounts of time obviously for the game the weaken him so you have a more grounded experience
Never forget, Doom Slayer's Super shotgun is the weapon that killed the Dark Lord too so mans really said "Nothing can transcend my bullets up your abdomen"
This is one of the most fair and accurate VS verdicts I've ever seen. I constantly see people saying Kratos is stronger, but they often forget that Doom lore states that the Slayer doesn't need his guns and weapons to take down his enemies, and his bare hands are enough. Though, lets face it, this battle is like when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
Thanks for watching!
I am one of those people myself, and after watching this whole video, I am humbly convinced that doom slayer would be able to win against kratos, us god of war fans are just defensive because kratos will always be the goat to us🙂
The only loser is the guy who has to clean the bar after they go drinking with Dante.
Heck, Doomguy probably doesn't try to kill Dante either, not once he realizes Dante ISN'T a soul eating killer.
It would be more accurate to say this is like an unstoppable force meeting another unstoppable force. Everything else is fucked.
If dante can get word out beforehe pops @@hariman7727
it is like mid night and I have never been more confused then i have at the 8 minute mark
I'd love to see this matchup on Death Battle, if I'm honest. Those guys do a whole bunch of research and whatnot as well, it would be interesting to see how it would play out based on your assessment vs theirs. Solid video though, no complaints from me :)
Edit: I feel like it would still go Doomslayer's way, but I love their animations and such as well lately
Thanks for watching!
Most of there shit is wrong
Bro please don’t, may I remind you they made ichigo lose to freaking Naruto?
DoomSlayer and Kratos are both goats but undoubtedly DoomSlayer has power and experience on his side whereas Kratos hax and hax negation would give him the edge. If I had to say who would win I’d give it to DoomSlayer as he’s a constant and Kratos was prophesied to be killed at one point.
I think Kratos also has greater strength
doomslayer only killed a being who didn't create EVERYTHING... there was already creation at hand before Davoth was even born.... the 1st being who existed before creation began was The Father who created Davoth so he could rule a realm or some sh1t like that....
whereas with GOW, the beings who existed before creation even existed were the Primordials.... this already scales them Outerversal - Boundless considering that they basically transcend every concept imaginable... but the only concepts that they can't transcend and is why they're weaker was because Titans aka the Elder Gods who are more powerful than the primordials and then the present Gods come in and are more powerful than the Titans and Zeus casually stored all Titan made concepts such as fear, wrath, greed etc. in pandoras box
@@godzillazfriction Davoth created the father but Hugo Martin the director of Doom Eternal confirmed there is an entity beyond Davoth
@@lightmohamed5700 not really... its supposed to be 'seemed' like that because that's what Davoth believes but originally The Father was the one that was 1st actual being who existed before creation even existed
@@Evolution-wk2fn i dont think you're quite comprehending what im saying... typical lack of basic comprehension skills... im not saying that Davoth didn't create the entire cosmos but creation was already there before Davoth was born or made
The thing is, neither krato or doomguy can actually die because both of them posses CANNONICAL plot armour. Where do you think they'd go even if they dyed, the underworld? A place both of them can trash. They both are the embodiment of undying, angry men, that both kill gods capable of creating realms.
Yeah, it's kinda hard because the universes don't have super clear comparisons to power scaling. And you could argue about which one would win assuming they only have one life. If that's the case the Doomslayer easily clears on durability alone, considering the insane feats demonstrated in the games that don't even phase his armor. But in actuality they're both the same kind of character just for their respective universes.
@@sethyoder7996you could easily argue that the yggsdrasil is hyperversal and also he beat thor while holding back
@@olivierexe2502Doom Slayer defeated the creator of everything lorewise, also not to mention his crucible which essentially seals death upon the immortal
I'm going to be drawing this fight out so this is going to help A LOT🤝🏼
Good luck!
I feel like master chief would just be watching with popcorn or something😂
i honestly don't think either would win or lose.
even if they did decide to fight, which would be unlikely knowing both characters, it would probably just be a constant fight of 2 people stronger than the bonds of the universe just kicking the shit out of each other until one of them decides to just stop. neither would die, since doom slayer can resurrect himself and Kratos was literally cursed to never die. i would love to watch the fight though
It would be hilarious if Kratos, Dante, and Doomguy ended up in the middle of a free for all. They'd end up working together, but not before bashing and shooting each other a bit.
Kratos would tank getting impaled by Rebellion. (Dante: "Huh. I'm usually the one doing that!")
Doomguy would be double teamed and get punched around by both Kratos and Dante.
Dante would take a boulder to the head... and get shot a LOT by Doomguy before Doomguy realizes that he doesn't have to fight Dante.
The universe they have the FFA in will be instantly peaceful the moment they team up.
Doomslayer wins.
Kratos can't fully die so he only looses.
And Dante is a blood puddle.
@@T57Custodian Kratos being immortal and also stubborn. Doom guy can not die permanently and hes pretty up the match with kratos
I’m pretty sure Kratos can die, the curse is he cannot die by his own hand which means if he tries to take his own life he cannot die unless I got that wrong?
Clyde catching strays 😂
What did he mean by that joke?
@@Dello678what did he even say? Lol
Being compared to dante is a compliment than a stray.
@@Qbone_that’s what I’m saying
@@Qbone_ not saying it isn't
Kratos: Oh so you're a killer too. Same
And they became friends
More things to add is that The DOOM Slayer has an advantage which is that he has nothing to lose and doesn't care to change it. He focuses all determination and everything else on completing his mission and doesn't take notice of any distractions.
The Khan Maykr said that she'd bring back The DOOM Slayer's bunny and maybe wife and son but he gave no interest in that and still killed her in the end while missing the chance to bring back everything he lost. Stating that if The DOOM Slayer loses everything he keeps that permanent. If his weapons and armour get destroyed, if he were to lose limbs or watch everything he loved die he'd still continue fighting and wouldn't take notice of it.
Kratos on the other hand has Atreus who he needs to protect and if he dies Kratos will return to his non thinking, all rage younger mind like in GOW3. The same would probably occur if all the allies he gained in the Norse era died.
The DOOM Slayer has nothing to lose which is an advantage.
Kratos has multiple friends and a son to lose which is an extreme disadvantage.
The DOOM Slayer would be smarter because he cannot be corrupted, brainwashed, tricked, or forced into doing something by other people or even his enemies.
Being tricked is exactly how Kratos' Godly bloodlust started. He was tricked into killing his Wife and Daughter. It was unexpected but that states that if someone knows how to do it right and execute it properly they could trick Kratos into doing something he'd never even think of.
The DOOM Slayer's determination, mind and soul can't be broken no matter how intense someone tries to.
Kratos' determination, mind and soul can but it's extremely hard to do it and someone must have immense power to try.
You could also say that The DOOM Slayer is stronger and can't really die because everything he's done was with the only one power up he got which was from The Divinity Machine. Every time he takes a power up he doesn't even need it. He takes it for fun. The DOOM Slayer might have regeneration but we don't really have proof of this.
Kratos also can't really die but the 1st time he was just lucky to grab the right person who was hanging on the the way out. The 2nd time he needed motivation and power from the Titans to do it because if they didn't help him he would've permanently went to hell and Hades would own his soul. The 3rd time doesn't really count because he didn't die but he just dropped down from the top of Mount Olympus. The River of Souls was draining him of his powers, energy and soul constantly so if he stayed in for longer he would've either died or gotten out but would have no strength to use his weapons and barely any to walk. He does have regeneration but he's gotta be in Spartan Rage to use it.
The DOOM Slayer needs nothing new to continue going.
Kratos needs help, power ups and Titanic motivation to keep going.
Doomguy: "Are you a demon?"
Kratos: "Are you a god, trying to hurt my family?"
Dante: "Hey, you two old fogies! We have a couple different armies surrounding us. Maybe we should take care of them before you two continue this?"
*BLAM!*
Dante: "You know, if I were younger, I'd take offense to that, but I have a demon army to kill first."
Kratos: "I don't like his attitude, but I think he's on our side."
Doomguy: *Grumbles angrily and starts killing demons.*
in my Opinion this Battle is insanely close between Kratos's weapons and hax to Doomslayer's will and sheer power, This seems like a Toss up for me it just depends on how you scale them, so overall I would maybe give it to Doomslayer but even then Kratos won't get one shot
I see
Everyone seems to forget that even if Kratos and Doomslayer were to meet they probably wouldn’t even fight because both of them fight for a reason Kratos reason now is his family for Doomslayer it’s just the eradication of the demons, Kratos has been stated to be immortal since he cannot die by his own doings and has had countless feats even mentioned by the creators in Kratos universe, Doomslayer like Kratos is practically immortal on his own with his own countless feats from his own universe as well. But even if they were to fight whose to say that it would be in either of there universes because depending on which universe it is one will always have the upper hand because they aren’t part of the same verse
It’d be like fighting a cyberdemon in-game. Takes some time but ultimately you shrug it off and move on.
AND HERE COMES V1 WITH A FOLDING CHAIR-
"The Only Thing They Fear Is You" to "The Only Thing They Fear Is You and Him"
Doom Slayer and Kratos fighting together would be insane
i think together could take planets
I honestly feel that you can get Doomslayer to Outerversal depending on how you interpret the Hell statment
Definitely possible!
@@Warrior-Z. Kratos is 4D at best 💀
@@Warrior-Z. being beyond space and time is bare minimum 5D lol💀 (criminal lowball for the Slayer)
@@Chuckchuck pls do a super man scale u haven’t talk about super man since
@@BigMacBurgr Unless you aren't taking time as a dimension.
But I do think Doomslayer wins this match up tho.
And yeah, that statement can be used to make hell outerverse level.
Thank you for making this video man, I love both character but yeah I do see lore Doomslayer winning due to cosmology and what the novels state. Good job.
I am pretty sure if these two met they will look at each other and think "damn, he can f*** me up" and decide to be friends instead
Probably one of the biggest problems I have with gaming media, is the potentially *VAST* discrepancy between gameplay and lore power levels. It gets to a point wherein gameplay and lore are straight up two different things.
If you were to go purely off gameplay, Doom Slayer and Davoth would get snapped in half by Kratos if it weren’t for *”MUHHHH LORE”* turning him into a god amongst gods when the gameplay doesn’t reflect that in the slightest.
It's easy to forget that Doomslayer uses guns because it's fun and not because he needs them.
@brandonwolford5021 it's also easy to forget Kratos is literally tied to the CONCEPT of hope making him basically unkillable unless you can destroy the very concept of hope
You either didn't play Doom 2016 and especially Eternal if you think Doom gameplay doesn't reflect his extremely powerful nature in lore. Here are all in-game feats of Doomslayer in realm of strength and durability:
Strength: His casual punches (not blood punches) easily de-rail entire trains off the tracks, collapse giant 40+ meters large Maykr statues, snap chains of Nekravol that even the two building sized Slave Titans could not break and send 90 ton metal cubes sliding for several meters without any effort.
Durability:
Constantly shrugs of argent energy attacks from Imps that are stated to be hotter than the sun.
Launched HIMSELF out of an anti-asteroid weapon at speed so massive he ignited the vacuum of space and crashed through several meters of metal and concrete completely unphased and without a scratch.
Tanked Vega Core explosion that was so powerful it ripped the fabric of reality and opened a portal to hell. The blast was calculated to be at around 229 megaton (4 times more powerful than tsar bomba).
Not to mention Kratos in game literally struggles to open chests lmao.
TBF if you go strictly by gameplay Norse Kratos can’t even jump on command and gets stopped by rocks.
@@AVGNROCKS1996 fair, it’s always the thing of gameplay Vs cutscenes/lore, Doom Slayer and Kratos can do incredible things but get stopped dead in their tracks by large teeth or rocks that they should be able to simply punch and destroy, and have to find some way of removing or getting around them. If we were thinking realistically, all the forces of Hell would need to do is get those teeth, put them in the Doom Slayer’s path and watch as he hopelessly runs their length and roars wordlessly.
I don’t think kratos has lost power since leaving Greece. He’s trying to be more measured and restrained to set a good example for his son. This is shown when he gradually becomes stronger during big fights like baldur/Thor and then goes back to normal. He is pretty much also cursed with never dying ever. I feel like it’s a stalemate.
bro tells us the slayer controls fate tho
The slayer is god level, so he wins quite quick.
@@Luke_FMkratos is also god level what's your point??
@@marvelfan2638Doom Slayer is literally a primeval. That is way above of being a god.
@@FunnyDoomSlayerPrimeval literally just means ancient and even at that it's ancient in the world which isn't much compare to gods who existed before the world and still isn't consider primordial
I only see this fight ending with kratos cutting slayer's head
One thing you left out was comparing their rage, since that's the ultimate thing which powers them:
- Doom guy's really pissed about demons killing his bunny + exploiting the world for Argent Energy
- Kratos is pissed about the Gods toying with his fate and killing his family
However the problem with hades claws is that it doesn’t work on more powerful beings, like it doesn’t work on Zeus so what makes you think it will work on the doom slayer.
Him not being more powerful
@@KiDD2Keen and what make you think that he isn’t powerful enough?
He never even tries to use it on Zeus. Also, what do you mean it doesnt work on more powerful beings? Kratos kills Hades with it! Pretty sure Hades isnt considered weak. Zeus is most likely just too fast for Kratos to wanna try it on him. Hades was a big, slow, already wounded target by the time Kratos used it on him
@@undeadinside3571 you indeed had the option to try and use it on Zeus, and I don’t know why it only worked of hades, maybe because he was in a weakened state but that’s just how it works.
@@Anur_Vladias almost 100% sure it was because he was already weakend and wounded. Pretty sure Kratos already killed him, but they were in hell already. Where else would Hades go?
I don't think they could kill each other. They would be in an infinite stalemate.
agreed
Sadly, no. The doomslayer is god level, so Kratos would not last long.
what ? kratos entire character is the god killer, being god status means nothing here. kratos has killed the entire pantheon of greek gods, and then a few super OP norse gods too@@Luke_FM
@@Ben-zh4nz either way Kratos go poof
@@Luke_FM And then he climbs back out of Hades and they do it again, again, again...
If they met each other they would grunt and walk away
Now I wanna see a video where someone takes all of the highest stats of them both and combines them along with all the equipment and then puts them against a gauntlet of the most powerful characters in foction
You should do a video on platonic concepts because so many people don't know anything about it
I touch up on platonic stuff in one of my next videos!
@@Chuckchuck do u know z_bunker he like to downplay super man
@@Chuckabeg pls do a super man scale
@@Chuckif u don’t want to do it just tell me where you scale him to
@@Chuck Thanks Chuck! You're the best
You know. I’m a big doom slayer fan. But I always thought kratos won this. Now I’m not so sure, very good video. Well done
Thanks!
It’s not even close every single time this is brought up Kratos wins in feats and strength plus there’s a hole video that shows how Kratos is stronger faster smarter and that he wins negative diff
Personally I've always thought Doomguy is a bit stronger but Kratos is an infinitely better written character. Great development, no statement retconning, good consistency, excellent progress in changing himself for the good etc.
@@slavicemperor8279kratos isn't a full god anymore that's the problem he's a demi god in his old age again. Yeah he's stronger than he use to be but more powerful? Don't believe the hype kratos isnt the powerhouse he was in gow 2 or 3
@@christianhenry4173
Oh, nah nah. He's in full godhood.
Even Thor acknowledges that fact.
Doom slayer is the definition of Im not trapped with you. You are trapped with me.
Doomslayer getting a revamp still gives me hope for Turok!
Dawg Id nut if we got another Turok game.
"Transcending space-time doesn't make you Outerversal" THANK YOU CHUCK. This argument is so bad and i hear it all the time from people who don't have any clue of how the tiering system really works. I agree with almost everything on the video, it's really good!
Thank you for watching!
@@Chuck I'm always here for your videos Chuck! Cheers!
Kinda does though if you transcend something you are above it and being past space and time does make it outer versal but hey
it only is if you trasncend the CONCEPT of space and time (via CSAP)
Yggdrasil still transcends the CONCEPTS of space and time stated by the official God of War account and Cory
Kratos is still outerversal though
1:27 after kicking the cyber demons @$$
Overall W, I love all of his vids and he’s an actual smart and good power scaler
You have a lot of correct information here. You only missed one and that was before Doomslayer, he was known as Doomguy that was a regular dude that wanted revenge on the demons for killing his pet rabbit fluffy. Doomguy defeated and survived hell just as a regular human being is a huge and major feat to accomplish through Doom 1, 2 and 64. Also demons can possess human body and doomslayer has huge amount of willpower to resist soul possession. When it comes to Soul like powers, that has to do with willpower to resist.
I know Lost Souls do soul attacks, but I don't think it'd be fair to say it's superior to Hades' attacks unless you do some cosmology scaling.
@@Chuck ture, but I also was talking about willpower is a stat too. Willpower is to resist death, curses and soul stealing since willpower is to the spirt with in.
The rabbit was named daisy, not fluffy. Also, his wife and son were both killed as well
@@zstrikerlol my mistake on Daisy
I agree doom guy is just him
@@Warrior-Z. Doomguy destroys him. Far better durability, hax, iq and billions of years worth of experience
@@Warrior-Z. Bro the video gives all the proof shut up already
@@Warrior-Z. dude how the hell is experience debatable. Kratos is barely over a 1000, while doomslayer is literally eons old (billions of years)
Happy 200k!!!
Thank you!
its who ever gets the first punch i think and if they land at the same time they will go flying therefor never seeing each other again because they went too far
Chuck videos are always some of the best on youtube
Glad you think so! :)
Loved the video! One thing I’d like to add that you didn’t mention was one of Doomguy’s incredible durability feats. That being when he was fired out of a cannon on Phobos to the surface of Mars within the blink of an eye, landed on his knees, then got right back up and continued fighting like it was nothing. To give you an idea of how impressive that is, the distance between Phobos and Mars’ surface is 5,989Km (3,721 miles) and Doomguy made that trip in a fraction of a second. Meaning that upon landing, he was traveling at a speed of at least 7,442 mile per second, and that’s before factoring in the change of gravity on Mars. Doomguy is one tough SoB.
Samuel: That's a weapon not a teleporter:
DS: motherfucker I AM THE WEAPON!!!!
@@geekymetalhead5112 "You can't just shoot a hole into the surface of Mars"- Dr.Samuel
tHe SlAyEr: nO
A killer of gods and a slayer of demons walk into a bar.
An inmoveable object versus an unstoppable force, they'd fight for like 3 years then just go "ok this shit is useless" then stop
I really appreciate your explanations, but anyway it was enough to say that, the slayer was created to be op, in the books and in the lore in general it is said that after becoming the slayer he also became invulnerable to everything and everyone, as well as always being able to win without the minimal effort by being able to kill the unkillable no matter who or what it is he always instantly destroys his enemy (it was also confirmed live on Twitch by the developers when doom eternal came out)
obviously the gameplay mechanics we see in the games are an adaptation to make the game skill based and hard
Kratos is immortal and gets stronger by the second. Doomslayer is immortal (I think) but still powerful. SO BASICALLY it goes on eternally
So the more interesting standoff would be between Doomslayer and Saitama then
I think one of Kratos greatest ability his Garou like reactive evolution and his insane growth speed via his rage. In god of war ascension he’s able to overpower the effects of the Amulet of Uroborus and in God of war 2 novel, where his threat of fate was slowly being withered away due to his growing rage, and even after the sisters of fate severed it, it barely affect him all that took place when he was a demigod and depowered God. His growth speed is also insane in the norse era, as in his first fight with Baldur he was being overpowered and ragdoll by Baldur, but after unleashing spartan rage, he completely turned the tide of the battle in his favor even after his rage mode was turned off, and proceeded to overpower and ragdoll him throughout the fight, and then “kill” Baldur in the end, and Kratos was arguably out of shape during God of war 2018
buuuuuuuut doomguy *is* immortal
@@getoutofmyskinn So is Kratos
There is only one phrase I can utter to convey my opinion on this matter. One phrase, three words, ten letters.
*RIP AND TEAR*
Matpat once said, "The ultimate losers would be us", we aint living the fight between these two beings
I wanna mention that we don’t know how much time passed from his first foray into hell and his landing on the sentinel world. Could’ve been forever, fighting nonstop as just a man. We know he went through hell before meeting the makyrs, so he was straight up wrecking hell as a normal human
Long enough that he's only said like 60 words in the centuries since.
And you gotta take into account their Mental States
Kratos isn't in a good mental state because of his past, regrets, his anger and raising his son to not be a repeat of his past self
But The Doomslayer uses his regrets and rage against The Demons
In a nutshell Kratos Rejects his Anger
The Doomslayer Embraces his Anger
Wholeheartedly agree. I saw Midnight do a video on the Katos vs. Doomslayer battle, and he mentioned the mental states of both characters, which is why DS wins.
no you shouln't, it's not gonna change anything, if you wanna make them fight take them at their prime and when they want to kill each other, otherwise this would make boring ass fight
kratos doesnt reject is anger...he said he uses it to his advantage, i believe this was said in GOW4 to his son
@@VL._1522 That is true. However, does he use his anger to the same magnitude as he did in the previous games?
The way you say “ … and that they can dead ass move through time” is hilarious to me.
a to the death fight between these two would be a epic fight!
I usually agree with your takes of something not being close, but honestly this is the first one I'm seeing that actually does seem to be pretty damn close. They both have similar rep sheets killing very similar things with very similar equipment.
nah
Davoth scales way too high Zeus and odin dont compare at all
It’s not even a comparison. Doom guy outscales krakos in about everything
Kratos kills Gods
Doomslayer kills God's God's God's
He's stronger by several order of magnitude
@@Jet-ij9zcno?💀
@@invictus6176Zeus beat chronos and chronos’ father created the universe. Chronos killed his father. That’s about the same as davoth if he is the creator.
One thing to mention, is (now Idk if this is canon, as there's a chance I was misinformed) that the Doom Slayer started to feel bad for the demons he was killing, so he started to use guns, meaning he purposely nerfed himself to give his opponents a better chance at landing a hit. This also means playing with Berserk is essentially Slayer giving his big brother the controller, and not holding back
I haven't yet see the video. But damn, the more I think about it, the more I think they're closer than ever
Completely agree I really think doomslayer is basically unbeatable
There’s No such thing as unbeatable lol
There are many beings that can easily defeat him tho. SMT Dante, Demi Fiend, Scarlet King, Oblivion, RKT, TLT and many more
@@Palach624 without basically saying you don’t exist and using some type of plot power whose beating him
@@Palach624 and if the best they got is “I don’t die “ uhh then your basically a punching bag for him congrats because he fights for eons straight
Also if the creators of the universe couldn’t plot him out he could just work like db where if your weaker than him your bs doesn’t work
Great vid man people still don't understand how powerful doomslayer is this vid sure brings some knowledge to the masses
You also gotta remember... Kratos fans exist so for the most part, this entire video will just go over their heads and continue to argue Doom Slayer ain't shit and Kratos High diff's.
@@thanos1335 true
@@thanos1335 im a big kratos fan but I know he’s Beatable and so is everyone else. Everyone has superior lol
@@thanos1335it's the other way around y'all never quit talking shit about kratos we get it y'all don't like him it's been 7 months of downplaying the character there is multiple videos saying Naruto beat kratos
@@alexmejia7012Ah yes, Narutards, Naruto is merely a Saitama victim.
Doom Slayer could also easily lift Kratos curse of immortality and then kill him he himself has no weaknesses or curses he relies on so ultimately he'd slay kratos away anyways
i love how you protected kratos and doomguy from the menace of the wacky wahoo pizza man
Good to see you’re back in action Chuck, hope to see more videos from you in the future.
Quick question: How do you think think a fight between God of war ascension Kratos and Soul King Yhwach would go down?
Do more Marvel powerscaling videos. I'd like to see one on either Loki or Odin