How Do God of War Mythologies Co-Exist?
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- This is a big one. How can many, many mythologies within God of War exist at the same time? How can many pantheons have control of the sea, the sky etc.? How can there be many creation myths at the same time? Perhaps, there's an answer after all...
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agreed
What's that mean
@@ViPRedPilledi think its in reference to the phrase tomato tomahto or it's just random idk I'm dumb 🤷🤷
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I always believed that the pantheons are indeed powerful but the influence only affects those lands who worship them.
So the powers Kratos gained are as useful as an xbox disc in a ps console
Eeeeh not too sure. Since magic is a common theme in all the mythologies. He could probably manifest *similar* powers.@@1mHim05
@@1mHim05yeah pretty much.
yes so would you the greek apocalypse only affect that general area ??
That's what I always assumed in GOW universe@@ngin98
The director already explained that each mythology is like going to another galaxy. I guess in our world it would be like going state to state
And he also said that they all exist on the same Earth. And he literally showed tweets where the devs said they are on same Earth. There is more evidence pointing to one Earth than multiple dimensions.
@@Stana999 exactly, why I said its like driving state to state vs dimensions
@@PrimordialChaos1oh I thought you meant like a completely different Earth.
@@Stana999 oh nah more like a road trip 😂
honestly, this is a gross oversimplification and adds nothing helpful to the lore or the fanbase 🙏
Kratos meeting Jesus and getting forgiven for his sins would go crazy
That's so fucking funny
Unfortunately m8 God of War only tracks polytheistic mythologies but we might see Hindu gods👀
devs did say Christianity exists in gow@@dangerouslypink2394
@@dangerouslypink2394Actually I don't think they are going to use any religion that is still practiced today.
Maybe something like japanese shinto stuff, it's not practiced/lived in a way like hinduism. It's kinda strange/intertwined with buddhism tho.
But still don't believe they'll use it.
Maybe egypt tho
They won’t do it because people will be butthurt
cant wait for kratos to find jesus
In the world of God of War, in my opinion, there is a barrier that is invisible but can be penetrated by Kratos himself because he has slaughtered many Greek gods and goddesses. Maybe: Greek. Borders with the gods of Norse mythology, Slavic mythology, Egyptian mythology and Mesopotemic mythology as well as Persia and Persia borders on Hindu mythology. China Japanese mythology Korean mythology
So basically, they are technically on the same planet, but each section of the planet is home to its own dimension each housing the different mythologies with their own rules for how the world works
yup u can say they're divided like contents and states
And the gods power is limited to that swction of the earth, similarly to how a politician power is limited to the territory of his nation, that way Helios controls how the sun interacta with the Greece world and Ra controla how it interacta with the Egyptian world
@@sumairshirazi I think you mean continents.
@@Thewolfartist24 yes continents
@@rgama1173so basically in a simplified way Christianity is the america of this world
Imagine if the head gods had all met before to designate their territories and now that Zeus and Odin are dead, the other pantheons have an emergency meeting of what to do with Kratos
Well, Greece is uninhabitable unless if the transition to the Roman Empire saved it since there’s new gods to take the Greek gods places and control the hell that kratos left behind and Norway has been taken over by kratos. I can see the next pantheon having a hard time thinking he’s a good guy now since he just destroyed his home and took over another pantheon. Now that I think of it, kratos finding out the Roman gods essentially saved Greece (but act the same cuz it’s just a copy paste irl) and possibly returning just to see how it’s changed only to find out the people still haven’t forgotten the ghost of Sparta now that he’s a boogeyman that their home would make a pretty cool comic
@@Dookieman1975the roman gods were the same gods with different names, with a couple minor changes sprinkled in, so that won’t really work unless they all came back from the dead and their memories wiped somehow…
@@EraOfEralarimagine when Atreus and Kratos goes to Egypt the Egyptian god panic and brings Zeus back from the dead bro imagine Zeus spending time with his grandson while his son looking ways to kill him without Atreus seeing
@@Dookieman1975 it’d be cool if the gods that died and were reborn like Jupiter/Zeus and Mercury/Hermes doesn’t recognize him but the gods that survived like Diana/Artemis and Bacchus/Dionysus freak out when they see him and start hurling spears at him before he can get a word in and when they’re convinced he’s not a threat they tell him to gtfo before he kills any more gods
@@oilybat3269 That does sound cool.
easiest way to get explain this in my mind, is it's an entire galaxy with separate planets that have separate inhabitants and creators, but all of those planets are on one globe
It probably went like this,
"We call dips on greece, you vikings get the cold parts and mummies get sand"
Devs basically explained that each land that worships a separate pantheon is basically an alternate dimension. That's like me having to hop dimensions to travel from Texas to New York.
Not really though because you can travel to one pantheon’s land to another by normal means, (such as a boat) so it’d be more like you getting on a boat and going from China to Australia.
@@DirtyDev
Tyr needed the Unity Stone to travel to other mythological realms, so he didn't travel by conventional means. Another issue with this is the fact that each mythology has their own universal creation events that are considered canon, even the developers say it's all valid. Cory Barlog has even corroborated that they are separated by dimension and has even acknowledged that the universes that were created are in his mind "referring to the universes that they themselves have dominion over," he also went on to say "the greater "actual" universe has yet to be explored," pretty much saying that anything outside of those alternate dimensions with their own unique cosmos hasn't been explored yet. He also said that in each geographical region on Earth "there exists a version of the universe with it's dimensions and Earth as inspired by the prevalent mythology and local belief system," so each mythology exists in its own dimension inspired by the real world cultures of that real world region. In closing, them existing in different dimensions makes sense, especially since they all have unique universe creations that are all valid to God of War's lore and are totally separate from each other.
@@ThePanther97I have to agree with your notion here. Would you happen to have a link for the source to the ladder half of Cory’s quotes??
@@ThePanther97 Would you happen to have a link? I agree, but I'd like to see myself
@@ThePanther97 I'm all ears.
I thought this was explained at the beginning of God od War: Ascension. The primordials, beings that predate the universe, fought endlessly until their fighting spawned creation. All creation stories in this universe reference that event, hence why both Gaia and Surtr remember the creation of Earth. This is even somewhat confirmed in GoW:R when Surtr says the Blades of Chaos have power and it is irrelevant what lands they're from, because they contain Primordial fire.
The Norse realm has a separate creation story though, ymir is the first being in the norse.Norse. Gaia is responsible for the creation of the earth so of course she remembers. Surtr remembers because he existed after the first 2 realms were created (muspelheim and helheim) and was around to know about Odin killing ymir and making midgard.
These two stories do not coexist in the same world.
@@bigballs7911 I'm saying they both remember the creation of the world because they were both spawned out of the fighting of the cosmic primordials BEFORE the creation of the world, just in different areas. These primordials don't exist in the Greek creation story either, Chaos was their version of Ymir.
Exactly due to each Pantheons is actually their own reality
@@kuroto7773nah
@@soloelqueobserva3312 nah
The game Fate/Grand Order introduced this concept called "Textures", which in a nutshell are the planet being divided into different zones with different metaphysical laws as enforced by powerful beings such as gods. In Sumeria you could just dig to the underworld for example, which wasn't possible in more modern eras. After GoW 4's revelations, I sort of assumed something similar was going on here too.
The best way to think of this concept is like an empire in ancient times: More specifically, the capital city from which that empire spawned (in this case we can compare it to any pantheon). For this example, let's use Rome (how original). The capital city of Rome, for a time, was the city of Rome itself (although it was still considered to be the capital at least in spirit during the years of the late empire and after the split), and like other states at the time, the actual concept of a modern border was not a thing.
Instead, empires and other states, even tribes and confederations all had a stretch of land that belonged to nobody. This is obviously a "No Man's Land" deal. Now, as for the empire or city state, or whatever we use as an example, as I said in this case, Rome, it is the capital city of the state itself which holds influence over the many swathes of land it has expanded to. However, this is not always shown on a map. Instead, most areas are colored or filled in as the color that represents the state itself.
In this case, we may look at whatever region tends to be mountainous and has a historical record of having mountain tribes: Sardinia's interior, and Isauria in Asia Minor (mod. day Turkiye). Some regions are difficult to influence and claim due to a plethora of factors, one is most predominantly geographical. If a state attempts to project influence into a mountainous region (at least during the times of Antiquity), it will be met with a great pushback. Rome had built forts inland on the island of Sardinia in such a way that the mountainous interior was encircled. The region of Isauria was not even fully conquered in the 500's AD.
Let us also look at the Zagros Mountains that contain Iran. Historically, the Iranian empires have dwindled in size, progressively over time, due to a number of outside factors, but also in part, due to the geography. Even today, mountainous terrain is both a boon and a weakness.
So, let's go back to a specific state, or region's, pantheon. The pantheon may have, in some cases, as much power and projection as the state it is home to, or in other words, may be locked similarly by the state's geography. In other cases, for pilgrims or settlers of peoples who come from foreign lands and partake in foreign faiths, they may bring their home's influence with them in some way, shape, or form, whether it be their culture, religion, etc. In some cases, a newer faith, or older faith may come to supersede another faith in some region.
In short, a pantheon's influence only expands to the limits of how far its followers venture. But it may be limited to specifically the people who follow said pantheon. If there is a man of the Hellenic faith in mod. day Norway, then his pantheon may perhaps hold dominion over him, although he is now within the limits of a new pantheon, one foreign to him. But because the Norse pantheon, in this case finds this man within its domain, its realm, and perhaps point of origin, this pantheon's influence would be vastly greater than the Hellenic one, therefore this man who hails from Greece may now be under Norse jurisdiction.
I'd imagine, that because each pantheon holds dominion over specific regions of the world (and while syncretism is a thing and could cause some pantheons to "bleed together" somewhat), I'd imagine there is a stretch of "No Man's Land" in which no influence exists, much like that of an old state.
Maybe beyond the Rift is the Lovecraftian plane of existence. If the creators said that space has not been explored yet, that means we'll be headed into Elder God territory like Azathoth. Imagine Kratos or Atreus battling Cthulhu with other pantheons helping out.
Gos of war goes full SMITE
So Gnostic Christianity
Considering the Lovecraftian elder entities have more power than the gods of mythologies of all cultures within the Lovecraftian myth, that would simply mean that within the God Of War Universe, the Elder gods > All other gods (but again we have to take in theorised consideration that the Lovecraftian myth is real)
@@oxwinienoname6052 that asuming the lovecraftian gods are THAT powerful, lovecraft was quite vague in that regard and azathot could perfectly be no more powerful than zeus...
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This was great and my understanding of how the worlds worked was essentially this. This is also why I believe Atreus will cross the mythology barrier to Celtic mythology for the DLC and learn of the different mythos working around that area that were essentially what was leftover after the Fall of Rome. That is also how I believe Mimir knows about Kratos as the Ghost of Sparta. Because the Celtic Gods knew of the Romans and the Romans knew of the Greeks.
I theorise that the Roman gods will be a reincarnation of the Greek gods based on the last surviving Greek civilians who touch the blade of Olympus becoming, Jupiter (the new Zeus), Mercury (the new hades) and Neptune (the new Poseidon) with these gods creating the Roman mythology and being more righteous and less corrupt versions of the olympians. So perhaps if and when Kratos returns to Greece he will be greeted by 3 peaceful Roman gods? Your t is also very plausible
Kratos broke the barrier when he moved from Greece to Norway and as well to Egypt already in the comics . But i get your point Atreus will make it like his travelling from midgard to Helheim.
@@altair227 not Helheim but Jotunheim and Midgard
@@andray310 same point different realm.
@@noahsibahi-jackson8757 Mercury is Hermes; Venus is Afrodite; Mars is Ares; Jupiter is Zeus; Saturn is Cronos; Uranus is not assigned; Neptune is Poseidon; Pluto is Hades
This was well assembled, being extremely thorough. Nice work
Polynesian mythology would be pretty sick. The main creator God Tagaloa is legit just a cool guy who wanted to see stuff exist. Pele the Volcano Goddess would be a killer boss fight, and Maui would be fun to challenge to a hunt or something.
Well when Helios died the sun didn’t actually disappear, it was just covered up storm clouds
I was just about to say that
But when he was kidnapped the sun went down in Chains of Olympus
@@real_Hamiltonthe sun went down when Helios was captured in chains of Olympus
Prob multiple suns tho cuz the sun in Egyptian mythology is just Ra’s boat
@Dookieman1975
Also, Aztec mythology has six suns.
The developers talked about it, and Kratos even got asked about it by Mimir and Freya in Ragnarok, they asked if he could summon any of his old powers, he said he tried, and Freya said perhaps your powers disappeared along with the destruction of the land, so even with that detail in the game we can conclude that mythologies our region specific
I think he didn't lost all his powers, contrary case he would not made it alive from fight baldur.
The whole thing about Kratos' godly powers is a pretty interesting element of this whole theory.
IF it's true that godly powers only go so far as the barriers of the realm, then the games contradict this. Tyr went to other realms using magical items of his own land, becoming a figure of worship in other pantheons (this is true in the real world, where the god Tyr in fact is seen as a common element in many pantheons. Some theories even suggesting that the name Tyr and the title "Deus", along with "theos", stem from the same root, meaning that "Tyr" might just be the original head-god of tribal religions. Just a thought.)
So if Tyr managed to do that, then it's clear that both magical items and the power to BE a god and have godly powers are NOT in fact limited to their respective realms of origin.
It's possible that the powers GIFTED to Kratos by the gods, as his lesser powers, are what dissapeared over time. This begs the question, however, WHERE are his other weapons?
The blades of chaos were specifically gifted to him by Ares and were in fact replaced over time by Athena. Yet we see the blades of chaos arrive in their original form in Midgard. HOWEVER, the markings on the blades of chaos are notably different from their original markings, matching the midgardian themes.
We also know that Kratos maintained and kept what made him a god in the first place. The god of strength. He BECAME the god of war later on, and that might be the title the developers officially went with, but his ORIGINAL powers are very clearly that of massive and perhaps even unlimited strength, capped only by Kratos' willpower. (though this latter part is yet to be confirmed. However, it seems to be consistent with the feats he is shown to be capable of. During battle he struggles against minor mobs but at the same time he can LIFT A WHOLE TEMPLE if he really tries hard enough.)
So this might lead us to a secondary hypothesis.
There might just be a "grand plan", in which Kratos is involved. The Norns indicate that Kratos "follows his nature" and that this leads him to the conclusion he was written for, a conclusion that wasn't made by the gods themselves in their respective realms, as Odin knows nothing of it and is in fact trying to prevent his own prophecy from coming to a conclusion. Kratos seems to act as the resident "godkiller", cleaning up two seperate pantheons for differing reasons.
With the revelation of the rift and the revelation that gods KEEP some of their traits between worlds, despite other powers dissapearing, it might just be that
A) Gods have a source of primal power and gifts that they harness and get to keep regardless of the realm they visit or destroy
B) Kratos and possibly Tyr are UNIQUE in that they are the ones that can do the above, for a reason as of yet unexplained and perhaps for a plan that the gods themselves know nothing of.
Alternatively, it might be that Tyr kept his powers and magical items because midgard was never destroyed. However, this does not explain why Kratos kept his or kept the blades of chaos (while seemingly other items were destroyed, though this may have had a different cause. It seems all his items were destroyed in the clash with Zeus, and the blade of olympus was simply left behind. With only his current version of the blades of chaos remaining. But then that begs the question again: why did only the blades remain?
It's possible that what has been eluded to in Ragnarok makes the blades of chaos unique, regardless of whether the greek gods knew about it or not. The blades possess a "primordial flame" that was not created by the gods of the greek pantheon themselves. Perhaps that is what spared the blades from destruction, unlike the other items and powers.
In truth, lots of questions remain, perhaps with no real answers to ever be given.
@@RedFloyd469 other element that support this: the persian king kratos fought was able of use the magic of a djinn
@@zanir2387Baldur is nothing lol, he's just immortal, nothing else.
@@RedFloyd469it was Primordial Flames, which exist in all realms, that let Blades of Chaos keeps it power despite it being Greek in origin so no, there's no contradiction there.
The type-moon/Nasuverse explains that different mythologies and pantheons exist and are separated by what are known as “textures” which works similar to how you describe different mythologies coexisting
I watched to the end, and I gotta say it was pretty interesting, the question of all the mythologies in God of War Co-existing has always pondered in my head since God of War 2018, this video has answered a few questions for me
Classic Marvel Comics had over 20 pantheons in the same universe- with a pretty good explanation for this too
How is it explained in the Comics? I have just watched the MCU shows and movies, and gets a bit confused with the differences of Gods, God, and Gods-who-really-are-just-aliens in that universe
@@norse_wolf5614the ladder part was only in Earth X, a non canon comic series where everyone is old
@@norse_wolf5614 it would take all day to properly explain. But the short version is- the death of the Elder Gods left the godly energy of creation forming pocket dimensions all over earth- the early collective mind of man eventually gave form to the godly energy- with each region seeing their Gods in their image and vice versa.
That has to be real weird when u realize there is the one above all who is the creator of the marvel multiverse lol
I always thought that the pantheons of Marvel are not real gods. They're just incredible strong ageless species who happen to have lesser species worship them. Odin says "we are not gods, never were", in the MCU anyway.
Didn't Cory Barloc already explain in an interview that the various mythologies where like it's own galaxy? Existing in the same universe but seperated by distance? To some extend it is similar to how the Nine Realms are portrayed in these games. All conneted but spacially seperate.
They are also separated temporally but exist in a mystical way and in this case geographic region does not mean continent or countries but rather a dimension or reality.
I thought he meant that the nine relams where different planets connected by the world tree
@@xptaco2298no
@Kratos_god_ofno_war no because in the lores kratos arrives in Midgard by Boat not time travel
@@christianhenry4173he arrives by skoll and hati, not by boat, he stumbled upon egypt once greece died.
I JUST started playing it recently. The idea of the universe being more than just one kind of mythology blew my mind and i tried to rationalize it. I truly want to know and understand what is going on because it doesn't make sense to me but luckily this video exist
FYI. In Chinese mythology there is a God of Gods, we refers to it refereed as "Shangdi (上帝)" which mean the "Lord Above" or Tian (天) which means the Heaven. The Lord Above is an omniscient and omnipotent force that transcends Existence as opposed to "Shen (神)" which mean gods like Zeus or Osiris.
Shangdi actually is derived from the hindu scriptures as per chinese twxts so shiva
I’m fairly certain Cory Barlog explained it in a sense that the mythologies exist within their own geographical areas but within then they have their version of the world and cosmology.
Essentially like pocket dimension or universes inside of a multi verse. It’s also become apparent that some pantheon are aware of the other pantheons; more than likely acknowledging the info given to us by Cory himself.
Cory Barlog himself on the matter;
“The ‘actual’ god of war earths geography is the same as our real earths. The only difference between the two is that within each geographical region, there exists a version of the universe with its dimensions and earth as inspired by the prevalent mythology and local belief system of people living in that particular region”
Its basically like each realm/country are like pieces if a puzzle the way Mimir describes "Going north" implies he and Kratos both traveled on foot to the Norse realm
I watched up to the end and even gave the video a like. It was interesting, thanks for the content
I've always loved settings where multiple pantheons exist and all of their gods/afterlives are actually real. Wish there were more real world inspired settings were every religion, mythical creature and legend are based on fact. It would be amazing going on an adventure were you start off fighting werewolves/vampires/fairy and by the end of it you're fighting Oni and Chinese demons.
The way that various pantheons seem to coexist in the world makes me think that the gods are in fact an ancient civilization predating humanity. That all we know of them are from myths and legends.
Literally every Neil Gaiman book
@@michaelblower7363which are still gods
Age of mythology also have the same treatment as God of War. You can play as Egyptians fighting the Norse with their own god powers and myth unit too!
@michaelblower7363 Assassin's Creed attempted this with the Isu. An ancient civilization of which many mythological figures were part of. Even ones like Adam and Eve.
Imagine standing on the line between two mythologies and seeing two suns 😂
that among other reasons is why is get's way to complicated, I can point out at sooo many plotholes if that where to be true.
ngl if this theory is true, there prolly isn’t a middle line
The emerald tablets also talk about the God of gods. It's interesting that you mention this, and the idea that the gods of all the pantheons are just rulers of their respective lands rather than the entire world.
An easy theory is that every country is just a well-sealed Domain Expansion created by the “Creation” Gods of their respective Mythology
It's hilarious that there are so many all powerful Gods and Goddesses coexissting within the GoW universe. And yet within all of creation, the universe and far beyond it, they all choose to hang out on the exact same small planet and split it via countries. Unless there are other mytholgies on other planets
God Politics next God of war game we gonna get the gods meeting up in a Senate building
@@captaindiscount6316With the writers development for Kratos, it’d be fitting if he became a godly politician essentially but also oof cuz he murdered two pantheons.😂 The other gods meet up and the topic is “How we gone deal with this god of war that’s murdering us off??”
@@captaindiscount6316 God Senate?
@@ArtryomKratos then manage to pull a Palpatine.
''and why is there a giant cow *just there* ''
Well, why *wouldn't* there be a giant cow just there?
How does each God of War co-exist with others of the mythology? Simple:
Olympian: "You stay over there in the sands, and I'll stay over here."
Egyptian: "And you keep to your mountain, and I'll stand my ground here with the sun."
Norse: "I won't mess with either of yall unless you come here to start something."
Kratos: "Leave...My...Home!"
I still have more questions which you still haven't answered but some you did, thanks for that
I also think that the different creation myths could all just be retellings of the same event from different point of views - e.g. just like the Bible and the Epic of Gilgamesh both refer to a great deluge.
Tomato. I think the reason that all the mythology’s have similarities is maybe a war. All the pantheons fight to rule the whole world. The wars end in a stalemate and the gods all agree to set boundaries. They trade ideas like humans, trees, agriculture, the sun, the moon, etc. To explain the higher existence maybe instead of a stalemate one pantheon won and decided to take over the galaxy, choosing only the strongest of the gods to leave Earth and join them in their galactic conquest. Any event on Earth is a challenge to see who is worthy of joining the greatest pantheon. This would open a huge door for Kratos to be invited to this great pantheon and end up destroying it after discovering how terrible its gods are.
Kratos is easily my favorite video game character
This video explains it better than all or even some of videos that tackles this topic
I think each mythology is more like equivalent to a different planet than a different country both in size and the difference in rules, also interesting to note that the only way anyone has ever went to a different mythology is through water so maybe that has something to do with life starting from water and water being like an infinite void of chaos
I’d also wonder how this would work for Percy Jackson
Seems pretty much the same way American Gods does it
Basically belief create gods.According to Apollo, in the past, almost every city had their set of gods. But as they were forgotten, most of them dissapear. Some gods survived by joining other pantheons. It's also seems to work by geographic areas. When it comes to the myths of creations, I don't know how it work. Hmans are the one creating gods with their faiths, so the gods shouldn't be able to exist without them, much less to be at the creator of humanity.
I always interpreted the different creation myths as simply starting from different points, but ending up in the same place. All of these Gods and Magic come from their own realms of Chaos, but have all ended up in the "Mortal World", our dimension. Therefore Earth is essentially a collection of different creation events coming together and adding on to the same planet. Like an interdimensional hotspot.
I’ve always wondered if they occur at “different times”. Essentially, when one pantheon’s rule comes to an end, then Revelations, Ragnarok, etc. happens&then the another one takes over; except since they are all gods&more or else can transcend time&space, they also occur simultaneously.
My theory is
That when kratos left the Greek region there was a invisible portal that took him to another dimension and the gods know each other because they can travel between dimensions anytime they want but their godly powers will be affected in their own dimension
@@Ivarr-vt2ndKratos is a god not of the realms but a god nonetheless
Tyr has also travelled and seen various pantheons.
@@Ivarr-vt2nd yes please
@@Ivarr-vt2nd?????
Kratos travelling through a wormhole (or a portal) makes complete sense to me.
They're basically like different kingdoms. Each Kingdom has power only over their own lands and become powerless when they're outside. The Gods probably only retain their natural strength, experience, intellect and weapons outside their "kingdoms". How Kratos lost most of his Greek abilities but was still capable of killing Norse gods and could use his blades of chaos.
Nah the Gods didnt loose their power just by going into another Pantheon,per Ragnarok, it explain that Magics is a fundamental aspect that already exist before the Creation of each Pantheons main reality thus part of *Primordial stuff* and is the very make up of Realms, Kratos lost all his powers because Greek Pantheon are no more (but Kratos still able to regain his original strength and Blade of Chaos along side a sliver portion of Hope inside him)
'yeah'. get it.
some pre-UN era Human kingdoms-like....well, kings/kingdoms in other words.
Tomato… also this is some thought provoking stuff right here… 2 things… #1 this reminds me of Odin’s search for meaning and for his origin and for his purpose… as well as the origin of that mask and maybe more importantly that rift… that was genius! #2… this reminds me of the show Vikings when Athelstan lived and died Christian after converting to Vikings and serving Viking gods…it would’ve been dope for him to be able to go to both New Jerusalem and Valhalla and the same for Ragnar… I forgot if Ragnar got saved or not… anyway great video & thank you!
A lot of this matches up pretty well with what I was imagining in my mind as well. Maybe not the parts about each mythology zone having their own sun/moon/etc, but I was approaching the GoW universe with the idea that the mythologies were kind of like empires with their own distinct boundaries. I felt like Ragnarok kind of helped put the concept of "different realms" to bed with various Tyr artifacts being referenced as having come from the south or the west, etc. I do think there might, to a SMALL degree, be different realms, but through the various magics at play, the separate realms are only accessible from within specific mythological boundaries. Maybe because that area's type of magic allows it or the connection is simply stronger. So that could explain places like Muspelhiem or Nilfhiem.
One concept I hadn't really considered before is that the gods of earth are not really gods, or at least not the Big Gods, and there's another tier of gods that created and maybe control them. That could actually be an interesting concept to wrap up the GoW saga.... the last 1-3 games involve Kratos going to war with the gods that rule over everything.
I feel like the games themselves should do a better job of explaining this this scenario. Your explanation makes sense but I want to hear It confirmed and broke down within the game. Because they seem to be making things up as they go along and contradicting moments.
true it pisses me off ,as a fan of the older games.
Yea they really need to give a definitive answer.
Ah, you're impatient and have never in your life had the attention span for a mystery.
The games are full of contradictions and inconsistencies. And let's not even get into the "novels" that people love to extrapolate
It was explained in Ragnarok. Pantheons are separated geographically. They confirmed he travelled from Greece, to Egypt, then north
Well, I watched up to that point. Good video man 👍
if you basically ask the same set of questions for our world and our religions then realization should kick in.
Fascinating stuff
One of the things I love about the Dresden Files is Jim Butcher's ability to interweave the dichotomy of various religious dogma and mythology together. Neil Gaiman does this rather well too with the American Gods books, though his method is a bit different.
Zeus: " I am the king of gods! I will eradicate any mortal who even thinks about cursing my name!"
chronicler: "Nah, you a buff x-man"
@lucgermain9310 oh damn, I didn't even notice I spelled that wrong lmao
I believe the Egyptian God Set should be the next GOW villain. Set is the God of War, Foreigners, Death, Deserts and Chaos. He is master of the Hyksos legions. All around lady's man. Father of Anubis, Wepwawet, Sobek, Serket and Maga. Husband to Nephthys.
Funny enough, Set may be the one that kills Kratos or captures him and the others and takes them back to Egypt as slaves. Atreus and head to Egypt and meet Bastet who is searching for Horus who is missing. But that is just my headcanon.
great video; just a correction, who emerged from Lake Titicaca was Manco Capac and Mama Ocllo, Viracocha created the lake
Ok I guess but I just wished they tied them together a bit more cohesively. I always liked David Jaffe's take where he says Kratos will engage with each patheon killing everyone eventually making way for Jesus Christ.
Imagine if eventually Kratos became Jesus Christ sacrificing himself to the mortals to cleanse them of their sins... His curse eventually fades, he's no longer an immortal and because he is the son of the king of gods and has followers and as the world begins to unite under Christianity he is able to influence more of the world with his sacrifice... And as he dies on the cross the last power of hope he carried inside himself because he didn't truly die so wouldn't have been able to release it all then... So it showers across the entire planet and everyone is given his final ounces of hope and they end the series...
Honestly, I have always imagined a medium in which every mythology coexists. I imagined a hypothetical clash between Thor, who survived Ragnarok and travels the world in search of adventure, and Sun Wukong, ending in a huge amount of very spectacular beatings.
There is a lot of media that does this. Age of Mythology, various stories from comic author Neil Gaiman, Records of Ragnarok, even Assassin's Creed. And plenty more. I love the concept.
Thor is the face or Norse Pantheon warrior under his father, a good counterpart in Chinese Mythology would be Erlang Shen, since he's basically serve the same role.
And then they meet Jesus. Who beats the snot out of them. /thread
@@IAmAlpharius20 You are not a real Christian if you think Jesus resort in violence.
In your arrogance, illusion of power over others. You blind your way, against the way and teaching of the lord you swore to serve. You've become sinned.
Its so crazy to think that we only saw like 15% of the GOWs universe all thoose years in the franchise
It is even crazier to think about the potencial for future stuff
Imagine the next game we travel through different mithologies just by using the portal like in ragnarok
I haven't finished watching the video yet, but I saw a theory that the gods of different mythologies created different regions of the earth.
Considering the gods in god of war are, like, universe level, then the concept of an even greater creator deity that is a god to the gods is terrifying
Perfect way to bring Christianity into gow
I bet God would be seen as one of the most powerful deities. Many mythologies have an entire Pantheon devoted to the mansions and deeds that God can accomplish *alone*@@sircumsalot3604
@@sircumsalot3604 While we'd love it, it'd be way too controversal.
nah Kratos should become a Christian@@ElIisL4D2
@@sircumsalot3604 Im not christian, but that would be dissrespectfull to the religion.
It should really stay within mithology. Involving christianity will open up lore that is 10 times wider than what we have currently.
If all these worlds exist, why didn't Kratos and Atreus leave the Norse mythology after delivering the Ashes, why stay for Fimblewinter when it was weakening them?
1. Traveling far in Fimblewinter is hard and dangerous. The water be covered in ice. There no where to camp or grather food while Traveling over big ocean of ice water. It will take longer without a ship full of supplies. Remember you have to feed yourself and the wolves pulling your sled.
2. Going to another land and Gods who you don't even know might be worst than the ones you do know. Especially since all magic items will not longer work besides the chaos blades. They be going in blind with little protection.
Well, as weakening as fimblewinter was, it was still loki's home, and all he knew. I doubt he would want to move out.
I did watch and it was mostly logical, so great work :D
This is better thought like this. They're their own verse, all anchored to the same Omniverse, which takes the shape of the earth when viewed from an outside perceptive. This is how you could travel from one location to another, and all are seemingly anchored to their own domains
This makes more sense than the last guys video I watched saying that Athena was the source of the rift and was preventing anyone else from trying to gain the power she discovered so she started the whole ragnarok prophecy to kill Odin and any other gods who attempted to search through the rift. despite the fact at least two gods are going to said place because of her and the selfless acts they did and he claimed she created the mask to manipulate them into enacting her plans? Despite the fact it’s supposedly the only way for them to gain access to the rift. It was just a mess and made me mad by how little the dude thought it out before making an hour long video about it
i like to think that EARTH of the GOW is way bigger than our normal one like 10000x bigger than it may give a good explanation
The whole continent of “America” has some cool native mythology and mythical creatures I hope they make a game with it one day 🔥🔥🔥
They'll probably portray it very wrongly and stereotypically, unfortunately, unless the whole team of developers are native
in my mind, one thing i currently think is that the world is also just bigger, hence why it took so long for Kratos to simply cross the Mediterranean, that or it takes a good deal of effort to cross the boundaries, and Tyr simply created shortcuts. I also think one aspect that effects it is the belief of mortals... The cow is crazy btw...
tomato
I find it funny the dev team said the abrahamic gods also exist here too
yahweh next to get that whooping
There’s only one Abrahamic God, The Father, the creator, so “gods” isn’t the right word.
@@ArtryomI wonder if they were trolling then when they said it XD
@@arbalest327Had to be, definitely had to be.
@@Artryom worst part? People make fun of Christianity all the time yet they won't ever touch Islam, hilarious when it comes to a religion people will defend harshly.and won't just get stepped on.
The GoW team has the chance to do one of the funniest things ever by making Dad and Boy meet Jesus and he’s like a stereotypical lost American tourist with a paper map and hawaiian shirt. The comedy and bewilderment would be GOLD.
Yeah depending on how they use him, it be very dangerous, like playing with a nuclear bomb, Christians like me may be upset if they ruin/make him into a petty joke person like Odin and hardcore Christians be very angry, so it’s very hard subject to touch, I can see Kratos meets Moses help bringing the end of Egypt religion
@@joshuaded1052 yeah, former christian here. It's not that hard to write a slapstick 4th wall breaking character. It would simply be funny if Jesus was a modern middle eastern dude with a surfer bro accent in like Ancient Egypt. And ngl, no one cares what christians think. The world does not revolve around your opinions so let people have fun.
@@ZeroN1neZero yup, it’s just I worry about those hardcore Christians, like how people tried to boycott hogwarts game, I fear they may do the same with GOW,
@@joshuaded1052 hogwarts is an entire different case all together. It had to do with jk and her pathetic shit and the weird premise of the game. Not really comparable to what is being discussed here.
@@joshuaded1052 no one cares, dawg. Let people have fun.
So basically. The god of war mythologies function kind of the same as in the age of mythology game. The different mythologies have pantheons of gods which powers extend to where the gods were worshipped, maybe, if the greek pantheon wasn't destroyed in GoW3 maybe kratos could theorically still use the greek powers in the norse world
So basically he is dimension hopping but on the same planet
The thing you mention of a "God of gods' and what not is interesting. The demiurge and Gnosticism would fit well into the mythos of the series honestly. Alternatively, I imagine it could be working on the Hindu type of rules, where there is a prominent force acting in all and yet passive at the same time that represents ultimate truth, Brahma. It is "God" but is as much impersonal as personal. Its why in Hinduism there are Gods, both big G and little g, because for it to act it must take the form of these Gods and in Hinduism depending on who you ask the true face and form of Brahma is one of these Gods like Shiva, Shakti, etc.
A number of these Gods are still part of the reincarnation cycles(in Buddhism, they all are) and thus subject to death and other things still but maybe reborn at a later date or through aid by other Gods(Or a big g god, like VIshnu or Shiva). I know in some games Gods don't die in the traditional sense, and in games I've played like Sacrifice, they can even come back, possibly representing the same forces they did whilst likely under a new ego and identity since a number of gods tend to be that: A force of nature with a soul, a personality.
I tend to roll my eyes at most of such portrayals cause many media like to portray gods as just a super powered human and never really confront the, somewhat, eldritch nature of their being, or assuming that the destruction of such a being will carry no consequences(Though GoW3 did show that Kratos path of revenge was fucking everything up). The Chaos Gods, at least as far as 40k is concerned, note that the Chaos pantheon is a accumulation of all the emotions of the galaxy pooled to create a sentient force of will and destroying them would mean destroying the forces they represent as well.
Just alot of interesting thoughts to be had.
I also dislike how media depicts gods, they are just super humans and nothing else, they don't feel divine or greater, just dudes with powers
@@rgama1173 imagine not liking sigmar as a god from warhammer fantasy, couldn't be me
@sovietunion7643 who dares question my devotion to the man gid Sigmar!
@@rgama1173 Its possibly based on the idea of Gods of ancient lore being actually heroes deified in some way(Course I also heard that, and likely is the true origin of the this idea, that such a thing was done to avoid Christian destruction of pagan materials).
It doesn't help when they want to make them antagonists or, rarely these days, some form of helper/protagonist. Imagine trying to fight something that has no true form, since most forms of these dieties are technically anthros, their forms far beyond human understanding. I think people often fail to understand how, and I'm sure there is a better term than this, "eldritch" Gods can be.
It should be noted when Khrisna showed his true form to Arjuna, there was no better way to describe it than terrifying, as Arjuna begged him to return to humanoid form.
If you go the Gnostic route the head of each Pantheon is one of the Archons that the Demiurge created but there are only 12 of them so how many major mythologies would that cover as some mythology have crossover points with cultures blending.
I've always wondered this so really glad to see a video on it. What I want SMS to do is take influence from the Percy Jackson universe cuz several mythologies exist there too. The gods there have knowledge of other pantheons but veer away to avoid disturbance & the power of each pantheon is limited to the land of their influence. Also tomato!
I was always confused on the fact that they seem to exist in America now , with hidden places and mortal memorials being the disguised “magical “version . Like are they still influenced over Europe? And like wtf is in Alaska?
@@melanyguzman9140 The first book describes the gods, the greek ones at least, as "following the flame of western civilization".
That smiling Mario Kratos killed me
My theory was that each version of these creation myths existed on their own separate versions of earth, but some force or cataclysm mashed them all together into one singular earth, where the different regions are governed by their own pantheon and rules.
0:12 I know this is me being a 🤓 but technically multiple mythologies co-existing has been a thing in this series since the very first game, since you can see Egyptian hieroglyphs in Athens.
Which confirms that multiple mythologies co-existing on the same globe was never a retcon made by later games, but it was, in fact, intended when the first game was being developed.
@@gowautist not to be a 🤓 back at you, but I think there is a distinction between mythologies and mortal world. Gow1 shows hieroglyphs, which confirmed Egypt the PLACE exists, but not Egyptian gods. For what we knew, they could be praying to Greek gods in Egypt too. But the Kraken is a definitive Norse mythological creature. And the Persian King set it in stone.
Like I said in the video, I believe the Roman gods don’t exist in gow. That doesn’t mean the Roman EMPIRE and real world history don’t exist, they’re just “covered” by the Greek gods.
that shit confirms nothing, it could happen to be a minor easter egg or egyptians traveling to the greek universe at one point it can mean a lot o things@@gowautist
roman and greek gods are the same the fuck you talking about@@MidChronicler
I seem to remember corey once telling in an interview that the worlds exist on top of each other and kratos did in fact hop into another dimension/realm when going to midgard and not just traveling a couple thousand km north.
I agree but also Kratos was kidnapped by a mysterious woman with two wolves which is faye with skol and Hati and remember that Tyr teached her the ways of going outside the world tree which is how she met kratos in the novels
I always knew the demiurge existed in god of war! Plato’s emanation theory allows for all gods to exists. The god of Abraham(demiurge) being the most powerful. Similar to the lore of the show supernatural, the god of Abraham is also the strongest, though pagan gods exist as well. In the show, God’s archangels like lucifer and Gabriel are shown as being capable of easily killing deities like Thor and Odin, so maybe we could see kratos fight lucifer in the future! This would also make the most powerful god in GOW the most high and unknown god who is completely whole and perfect, as everything emanates from him.
The writers didn't think that far ahead
or just better left unexplained. It's magic, no amount of rules can satisfy the logic for it
A potential answer could be in some philosophical ideas of god/logos for example the stoics believed in the Greco Roman pantheon however they also believed in a providential universe which encompasses everything.
I have always wondered how these mythologies in these games - as well as Record of Ragnarok - manage to co-exist, and what would happen if they ever visited and caused any destructions in that exact mythology. And, all though not completely, i am kinda satisfied with this result.
Unlike MARVELs direction (haven't read the comics, only seen the MCU) about Egyptian + Greek Gods are indeed Gods, and the Christian gods have been here for some time, and the Norse gods are aliens, and a lot more weird stuff..which, i Guess works, somehow?
I'm not this only has more questions then answers shit ton of things weren't mentioned.
YAHWEH OR JEHOWAH IS SKYFATHER LEVEL IN COMICS WITH OTHER SKY DADDIES
There are no "Christian gods". It's just God. Christianity is monotheistic like Islam and Judaism.
I’m so excited that the clear direction for the future of the God of War series is going to be rooting the source of ALL creation!
My headcannon is that there's a supreme God that created the cosmos and chose some planets (Earth was one of them) to have life and gave a tiny sliver of his powers to a select group of beings, turning them into gods that are supposed to guide and protect the mortals of their world. But the gods grew arrogant and thus the Supreme God, furious with them, chose Kratos to deal with the gods. Eventually Kratos will meet this Supreme God, who will explain everything to him and the player.
12:02 🤣🤣 great video Midgard this video was top tier
11:58 that was unexpected 😂😂😂
So people stop believing in greek and norse mythology because their panteon and main gods got killed by kratos? What if every mythology "dimension" its tied to the respective country in earth in their domain
Damn this was getting more interesting, I did watch captain kubas videos. However I was wanting to know more information til he just cut it off in the end lol.
I had already thought of this idea without God of war in mind. BTW nice video.
Tbh sanatan (Hindu)mythology would lend it self very well in connecting all these "worlds". There is a concept of maya (loosely translated to illusion), Brahma (a primordial space thingy, male entitiy) and shakti (literally energy or power, a feminine entity)
Its "Bramh" or "Bramhan" not "Bramha". Both are two different things
@@avik4343 haha yeah I just saw that I made a typo
Athena already ascended to this level of Godhood...
Headcanon of mine is that the primordeal realms across all mythologies are connected. That when you go far enough in Muspelheim, you'll eventually end up in Tartaros.
I feel like its a retcon because if helios dies nyx would plunge the universe into darkness and if helios was around how did he and Ra control the sun going around? Do they share it from night and day? Because there's two issues. Apothis and nyx who both has plans to decend the universe into darkness.
Just wanna see Kratos meet Shiva, or Monkey King
I think it makes a lot more sense and a lot less of a mess if mythologies are separated by dimensions. Creatures or beings from certain mythologies being in another mythology might of got teleported somehow, maybe the same way Kratos ended up in Midgard. It’s also known that tyr travels to other worlds(besides the 9 realms), although it’s not exactly clear how he does it, it might have been said or stated but I don’t remember.
Basically every Pantheon has its own territory
So we know that gods can cross between godly realms, as Kratos went from the destroyed Greek realm to the Norse realm, but has it actually been confirmed if humans can do that too? If humans can’t then that would give more precedence to all these godly realms coexisting if their subjects (humans) can’t just leave to a different realm as they’re tied to the realm of their creator(s)
Mimir isn't really human but it's implied he's been all over the world collecting knowledge to bring it back.
I think there’s a treasure map somewhere in GoW 2018 that mentions the ship captain from the original trilogy.
That's exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for the video, helped connect dots in my brain
It's interesting that this is not something exclusive to the God of War fandom or to us nowadays, the ancient pagans were also concerned with these issues even more than us because it was, well, their religion, and perhaps in some of the answers that They thought this might be the answer to this puzzle because, thinking about it, they came to the following conclusions, some had mythological narratives to explain this, such as the myth of Typhon, explaining that the Greek gods traveled the world in different forms to escape the beast and gave rise to this to the various myths and mythology around the world, others were syncretic and believed that all mythologies told the same stories but with different details given how old these narratives were and that their real origin was lost over time (this is very taken to serious even by academic studies to this day, and the Romans particularly believed in this idea) and another is that all gods existed and that they were the so-called regional gods or the famous enotheism that believes that all gods exist and that any human can worship them but that the god you worship will have power over you and your destiny, and when a group of worshipers of one or more deities adopted a deity as their patron, your destiny was in their hands and these deities defended their people, usually cities or kingdoms since there were regional gods of cities and large kingdoms (in fact Greece was a group of small kingdoms that was almost never united in the way we have today, but they shared their culture and deities among themselves) who were patrons of these regions, this was in fact the most common interpretation throughout the world for most of history and seems to be more or less the one that the god of war chose to use with the difference that the gods only kind of existed on larger planes of existence and that each region could worship them as they wanted, but they did not have territories of physical influence like in God of War and instead they dominated freely over the world and in relation to creation myths they believed that everyone said the same thing but with names and different details because if you look at them, they almost all say the same thing but with different names and details, so they mixed enotheism with ecumenism, the idea that all gods are the same, and it is worth noting that a good part of these ancient mythologies believed that there was a supreme and absolute God who reigned over the others, He changed his name but was given as the God of gods and the absolute existence greater than everything and everyone, for the Greeks it was destiny in itself, and even poetic references of this in the Bible with an excerpt from psalms saying that "The Lord sits in the Council of the gods to govern them" implying (which in fact was the case and against what the prophets fought) that the people of Israel also believed in enotheism and that is why he worshiped several gods in addition to the God of Israel, which generated the entire fight in the old testament of the prophets with the people for them to stop worshiping other gods, which in fact makes up a large part if not the majority of the old testament, and how this explanation is the most common throughout the history of humanity, and the one that currently fits best with God of War, I think this is the one they will follow but with the necessary adaptations, as they have historical background for this, in fact, if you read all this you are a myth! LOL!
the way this guy says
“for years and years and even months”
and
“all if not some”
rather than “for months, even years” and “some if not all” just pissed me off