TINKER COMBO GUIDE + Hotkeys + Settings (w/ timestamps!)
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00:00 Intro
00:21 Settings & Hotkeys
05:00 Cast points and backswing (figures)
06:47 Farming combo
08:03 Laser backswing cancelling
09:41 Dagon
12:15 Dagon examples
13:30 Hex + Dagon
16:29 Hex + Dagon example
17:18 Eblade + Hex + Dagon
19:42 Shiva
21:51 Dropping items in the fountain
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► Hey everyone, it's GoodEvening and this is my very first video, ever! (and sorry for the bad production quality)
► I am a Tinker spammer (sorry) and I thought it would be great to share some mechanical knowledge with the comunity
► My Dotabuff : www.dotabuff.com/players/27658... - Hry
Is there some other Tinker-related content you guys wanna see? Should I make shorter videos about the combos and the settings?
pls do that, love your guide
Plsss do more guides, they way u explain is very detailed. I already have 20 win strikes with tinker thanks to this tutorial.
Yes sir, please. How about how to deal with hard lanes like Huskars, Vipers, Razors, QoP and ETC
@@jeffersonreis5106 this can be controversial, but start with boots and 2 branches, and survive + block waves to have creeps under your tower, because those heroes just freeze the wave and harrass you if you approach it
although I set the quick cast key for lazer and dagon, I point the cursor on the target, it cant perform 2 skill at this same time, may I know why?
I've been spamming tinker for 2 weeks now and gained more mmr than I usually do. Thanks for the tutorial bro. Very useful specially on the backswings. COMMENDED!!!
This was a really good tutorial!
Hope you do more!!
god : how many fingers do you need
this man : YES!
Thanks man, for nice tutorial! Haven't seen anything like that on youtube
i found this video is very very very useful. Thanks a lot sir. The quick cast is super useful.
Thanks for the information dude, good job
This content still relevant! Tho created 5 years ago! Thank u fellow tinker player 👍🙏🥰
my pleasure! I'm thinking about making a new video after the 7.36 changes
@@GoodEveningDota gonna wait for it! Lets gooooo sir 👍
Really good guide from u its simple and correct if u showing things and talk about it why is good when to use it and How really like it keep going and also u do it for us in slow motions 😄
this is facinating
Amazing guide
ty dude rlly nc guide
thanks man. love from Dubai
thank you for this!
I know Tinker has been reworked, but I think the content is still somehow relevant !
@@GoodEveningDota definitely! the principles behind the hotkeys are awesomely helpful. so this guide is still relevant i believe. basically answered the questions i had as to how others do it. LOL thanks again, man!
hot keys goona change my life!!:)
Perfect ty. I will learn it
gg video on tinker...haven't seen nything like this nywhere else...
Nice video
I just stumbled upon your video looking for tinker guides and it's perfect! I checked your dotabuff and saw that you're ancient but I honestly thought you were divine/immortal. Thanks for the vid bro, anyway, do you just get the timings right by muscle memory and practice? I always screw up with the big combos and end up getting the backswing. PS. Goodluck with the mmr grind
I actually made this guide when I was still legend. I reached divine a couple of weeks ago but I've fallen back to ancient.
As for your question, practice and muscle memory is everything. I used to practice a lot in demo hero/unranked.
One last tip is to spam keys. For instance, if you use laser then dagon, but keep spamming the dagon hotkey a few times (it can actually become part of your muscle memory), you're gonna use it right after laser. If 0 is when laser is cast and 1 is when its backswing ends, press dagon at 0.5, 0.8, 1, and 1.2 (basically a couple of times in a row) and you should be fine. But you can still time it relatively well just by habit.
ty bro
god bless u
you should do more guides they are good. bad luck i play with alt + qweasd for items. is so hard to get use to this kind of hotkeys x_x
Vaya.. Gracias bro.. Saludos desde sud América
Muchas gracias :)
I know your video is too old but when i see your Video i play tinker really better thanks for your Help
Nice one sir. Tysm. We need more people like you bro.
This is the best tinker guide for beginners like me! Lakad Matataaaag GoodEvening! Do i still need to press shift in 7.22g when using the first combo that you mentioned here? Thank you so much
Sorry for the late reply (I normally reply to all questions). For farming, shift queue will always be useful regardless of the patch. At some point it simply becomes part of your muscle memory.
Good fucking guide u deserve 10 million subscribers
this is the best fucking video
Great guide. Very nice for beginners. Too much of efforts put in man
not too much effort. you didnt show how to drop all items well not just in fountain but during fights. and camera grip is needed to do that.
done subscribe
Nice skin
Your video helps me so much, thank you for this guide. I would like to ask if there is a shortcut on how to tp automatically on your base? It seems on my end that I need first to point any building or creeps before I tp, sometimes I just want to go home to regen mana. Is there a way how to do it?
Just double click your tp hotkey, or use alt+click
I love you
what are your thoughts on the 25lvl talent? in your replay i saw that you went +laser damage instead of rocket stun. do you always go for laser? or is it situtational and it varies case by case? what are some instances when you would go for rocket stun and when would you go for laser damage? cheers :)
In 99% of cases I go for the missile stun because I find that stuns are quite strong
Especially that now level 30 unlocks everything, I think taking the missile talent is nearly always good
As for builds, I find myself going mostly for shiva bloodstone bkb/hex, and I think it's the most reliable build
More videos sir. 😁
wow
We need more videos and gameplay!!!!!
Tnx bro.. plss make a video on how get a HS or VHS on dotabuff pls by using tinker
Come back bro, we need an updated one
I'm here because I'm mad of being rect by smurf tinkers for the probably 50. time. Seems like finally I have to practice this hero. The grind starts tomorrow!
thanks for the guide btw
It's my pleasure. Happy spamming, and just stay consistent. Even at 1000+ games with Tinker, I'm still learning things.
"This should be easy" , me crying after try 33x and still think tinker is hard bcuz too many button 😭
next hero guide: Arc Warden
Hi bro thx for the good guide. Im spamming tinker right now. Can u make a full game farming guide for thinker lile stacking, farming pattern and efficiency? Bcos i think i need to improve my farming skills
Hi there. I could do it sometime but I simply don't think there is much demand for it. What I can propose is that I add you on Steam/Discord and share with you some tips on how to farm faster.
I am your 101st subscriber. I'm new to dota 2 and tinker is my first hero. I can only beat the bots at medium level. Do you have any suggestions how i can improve?
Welcome to Dota!
Tinker is really not an easy hero, and his gameplay is unconventional. But if you wanna stick to it anyway, so be it.
What I can suggest is (and this works for all heroes) to watch replays and gameplay highlights of good players on that hero (pro players or random high ranked players). What you can start with is search for highlights on CZcams of funkefal and radical highway. You have no idea how much time I spent watching replays and highlights. Replays can be found on Dotabuff.com (go to a hero's page, then click on trending guides, then you have access to many match IDs that you can copy and paste in the client to download the replay).
As for general mechanics and hero-specific mechanics, it's all about practice (+ a bit of theory and acknowledging that you are bad and wrong). So just watch streamers on Twitch and see what they do and how they play. They also happen to explain their decisions.
Feel free to ask if you have any other question, and have fun!
@@GoodEveningDota thanks very much for the detailed reply sir. Your help is much appreciated.
Gotta slapp those hotkeys to win the game
Channeled abilities require hold/stop seems fine until you play puck.... but I can understand the need for it on Tinker. Do you know if any other tinker players use that setting?
I'm sure all of them do, if not then they should. Just change settings when you play different heroes; the more heroes you play the more often you need to change settings (channeled abilities, autoattack, specific item slots on quickast).
I'm just learning about the hotkey stuff but as a legacy key player. I'm having a really hard time in this new tp slot. I kinda activated the "double tap to cast self option" and I actually got used to it. It allowed me to tp straight to the fountain without clicking the location etc. Now I'm finding it hard to perform the same action since. Teleport hotkey and heat seeking missiles have the same hotkey. any suggestions on what to do man? Already subbed btw. Good vid
Are you talking about the "T" key? How about your hotkeys for other items?
The only thing I can suggest is to find a hotkey system with no conflict and just get used to it. It took me time to find my current hotkeys for each item, but at some point I had to force myself to get used to them (that's the most unpleasant part, I know). So... find another key and force yourself to change.
It's basically the same thing with legacy hotkeys, you kept them because you were used to them; but if you were to move to QWER, you'd have to force yourself to adapt.
But is there like a shortcut for it? I mean a lot of tinker players including you can tp to the fountain without looking at the fountain. I was able to do that before. Badly need a professionals help.
PS:my hotkeys for my items are. 1.2.3.4.5 and space bar. Tp scroll is t. But a lot of heroes use T for their skills:/
Well in that case I can only recommend using 6 for TP, since any letter can be assigned to a spell.
You may also change it just when you play Tinker, so that you don't affect other heroes.
I use 2 hotkeys for when I have a simple TP or travels, because I have 2 different automatisms. Basically the new tp slot messed things up, but I had to adapt and assign a new hotkey. If I buy dagon and shiva (very very rarely), there will be a conflict in hotkeys, but I'll force myself to use shiva on another hotkey (either 3 or mouse instead of 1); it's annoying but I have to.
Just force yourself to a use a new hotkey; if you want to do it, you can do it.
ty for this. Like+subscribe
My hotkeys are alt, just space for dagger and I have 58.4% winrate
What is your mouse 4 key in quick cast item? izit the mouse wheel? or left or right click?
It's a button on the left side of my mouse (the one that can be used for "previous page" in web browers)
So u can just drop the item while rearmin without shift queing? Does it fully rearm the item? All these while im shift queing or backpacking it
You can drop an item while rearming without the need to shift queue it; the dropping action is automatically shift-queued (I think it is related to the options about non-interrupting channels). Items in the backpack are rearmed, while items on the ground and in your stash are not. Also note that, for some reason, dropping Shiva interrupts Rearm.
if i am gonna use the SCROLL on mouse? instead of using ( quick cast items ) am i gonna have trouble with dota? because while playing on tinker after approx 35 min its starting to lag...
If you're used to using scroll, then why not; but that's not related to quickcast, because the issue - in my opinion - is the time spent on having to click with the left mouse button every time you use a targeted spell or item
And btw I'm not sure I understand how using scroll or not using quickcast are gonna help with lag
Isnt better to use Rockets first,then Dagon then Laser,after Laser you can use blink just like you show us in the video?? Instead of Rockets/Laser/Dagon and maybe then Blink?
It's a question of preference and what you're used to. Tbh I use rocket and dagon then laser. One scenario in which laser then dagon is actually useful is when you wanna burst down someone from 100 to 0, like morph who is morphed to agi.
Did u always use shift key to blink and rearm spell?way of using shift key and using normal playstyle which one is better?I like your laser and blink combo.Can u explain detail about laser and combo?I realized ur laser and blink combo havnt use shift key.right?So u just play press Q and blink?
Ok so first of all remember that shift queue always waits for the backwsing animation. So if you laser and shift blink, you'll have to wait for the entire backwsing animation.
For farming, I usually just shift blink and E, no ream because of E backswing
And last thing, shift queue is really only useful for farming, for fights you should usually just click fast enough, because of the long backswings of Q and W
@@GoodEveningDota So u play just press laser and immediate blink,no shift.right?Thanks for sharing ur playstyle.useful tips.
@@phyokyawthuaung2550 no shift, just press blink
But don't press too fast (before the end the cast animation) otherwise it acts like a shift queue
Just keep practicing in demo hero and you'll see what I'm tallking about
@@GoodEveningDota Thanks for ur reply.
how should i laser dagon fast when its animated cause the laser its slow
Either spam the dagon hotkey while using Laser (you will end up pressing it as soon as Laser is cast), or just practice it over and over, just as Laser+Blink (you will end up getting used to the exact timing)
I have my Auto Attack set to never but he still wanders toward the creeps and auto attacks after I blink into the trees and cast march... Is that a bug or is another setting fucking it up?
Normally that shouldn't happen and I don't think it's bugged. Maybe you set the option for summoned units and not for your hero; try checking that again.
And sorry for the late reply :)
A lot of times when i play tinker i accidentaly click my ult 2 times and my hero cast ult once like i wanted to and once automaticaly (i think its because i press ult 2 times). Anyone knows what settings i should use to stop this?
With the settings I showed in the video, pressing the ult twice will indeed queue 2 rearms
To cancel/reset the queue, simply right click anywhere (move) so that the 2nd rearm is replaced by the move command in the queue. Aftewards, that move command can be ofc cancelled by anything (using an item or a spell)
Do this in demo hero and tell me if it solved your problem
@@GoodEveningDota I tried it and its no longer rearming twice. Thanks!
What is shift q you talk about? I dont understand,is shift key help you with something on tinker?
Tp+shift+blink+E and tp+shift(+blink)+hex/dagon are useful. Otherwise, shift queueuing is not that useful, just be quick with your fingers.
@@GoodEveningDota Ty for answering. Ok so I dont use blink on normal cast as you do,I use it on quickcast.With blink you can escape in multiple situations and I think quickcast its better. So if I have the Quickcast on blink why do I need to use Shift key?( is really hard for me to use shift) Can I use the combos in your video without this shift??
@@edward3105 1) blink on quickcast is good if you never mess up
2) you don't need shift queue to do combos, and it's even bad and useless
3) you only shift queue in 2 cases : to farm (makes it slightly easier), and 100% catch a hero you HAVE VISION ON. Let's assume an enemy pa is out of position on a lane, you tp on creeps, shift queue blink hex to have the lowest downtime possible and avoid them using bkb. I hope it's clearer now.
@@GoodEveningDota Ty man for explaining this to me I've understood. Another question is when you say I can mess up with Quickcast Blink on which situation are you meaning? maybe u are assuming I can double click on blink and it will automatically blink me closer to the base or there are any other situations where I can mess up?
@@edward3105 it's about muscle memory. Since I'm not used to quickcast, I will press the blink key before my cursor reaches the desired blink location, so I will end up messing up. Basically, my brain is programmed to blink when I click with my mouse, not when I press blink. For you, your brain is coordinated so that you don't mess up (I assume).
Tell me if it's clear enough for you.
For the combo with the Hex you forgot a subtlety that can actually be the difference between having enough mana for the kill or not (for example on beefy targets, or if you don't have dagon next to it, or if you encounter an ennemy while not being full mana because you were doing stuff...):
you can: hex missile laser, rearm, missile laser hex, rearm, missile laser rearm, hex ...etc...
Hex is 3.5s and rearm at level 3 is under 1s second, so you can chain hex that way while still preventing bkb activation. You actually can save a hex activation which is a bit of mana. If you get good at cancelling your animations, you can even start to do this way with rearm lvl2, but I don't recommend it's quite clutch, while perfectly doable. It requires the muscle memory to be adapted and not braindead, but surprisingly it's not that hard to get. I can do it consistently even though I never practiced specific comboes.
I'm personally a huge fan of the force staff on tinker and it's likely the use of that item that helped me learn to be more adaptable with my comboes. It allways make me so sad that no one talks about that item on Tinker. Positionning around the fight and keeping force staffing the ally that is focused by an ennemy ursa or sven is absolutely bonkers. It also gives an extra layer of security during teamfight meaning you have more freedom for positionning. It's also a great item for chasing, and it helps farm / push lanes faster as you get to the extra farming spot with one less rearm, you can extend your movement patterns on the map. All of that for 2k gold. Not an item for every game of course. It's also a must against riki or slark since you can force staff out of smoke screen / pounce leash, and gives an escape if you got caught. You can also use it to save an ally that got caught in that.
First of all thanks for taking the time to make such a detailed comment
I didn't really forget about the points you mentioned because I didn't want to add other layers of complications in an already long video. Not being on autopilot when doing combos is one first difficulty of course. One thing that often happens is enemies juking in trees and fog of war, so sometimes stacking hexes slightly may ensure that enemies stay hexed (they can disappear in trees for like a second then activate bkb or sb or use a spell).
As for force staff, I didn't include it because it's not a damage combo, and tbh I thought about making another video with items like force, eul, lotus, and the interaction between ghost/eblade and bkb. I bought force only a few times, probably because of greed. Sometimes I go all in for damage and I get bkb if needed, or go for the raid boss build that is shiva bloodstone bkb.
And again thanks for the insightful comment :)
@@GoodEveningDota Thank you for making the first good tinker guide I saw :)
I didnt know Davie504 did dota videos
IT SEEMS THAT DAGON AND HEX ARE CAST ON SAME KEY AT ONE KEY ON THE SAME MILLISECOND, HOW IS THAT?
Using quickcast on both items, just press dagon and hex keys at the same time while your cursor is on the enemy. That's how you instantly use both.
I'm wondering how can you perform that rocket laser then dagon ( x and z) then 1 the keys are so far
Oh... it's A and Z, and it's a French keyboard so it's the equivalent of Q and W, right below 1 :)
(French keyboards have AZERTY instead of QWERTY)
Oh my haha sorry
Lmao
19:14 to hard bro😣. I still trying my self
Double shiva is very hard.
I use alt on item + quickcast, so far all ok except for shiva 😢
What part of it are you struggling with? I suggest you practice it with Rearm level 1 first, before moving to levels 2 and 3.
god damn you are this good and you are ancient 3? im fucked LUL
I eventually managed to climb to Divine! (with Tinker!)
Do you know radical?He's tinker style is cool he always buys shiva bloodstone hex.And also are you Quoarine.
Radical is the reason why I got into playing Tinker, but I'm more into the Dagon build. His build is great and his execution and item timing make it perfect. You can watch his replays and imitate him, especially that he consistently achieves very high GPM and XPM no matter the matchups.
Quoarine, as far as I know, mostly plays unranked party games and he goes Blink Dagon Eblade. I humbly don't think he's the best to imitate in terms of gameplay.
@@GoodEveningDota Do you know if Radical streams on twitch.Also when i play tinker i am not that agressive until i get blink and lvl 2 rearm can you give me some advice on how to fix that?
@@dusanlabudovic4176 He does very occasionally stream on twitch.tv/radicalhighwaydota2
As for your question, even though I don't know your mmr, I pretty much believe that it is fine, as long as you farm fast. If you're afk free-farming until 17 min and just have a blink, then you must improve your farming speed. Because even Radical afk farms until he has blink, but he gets it anywhere from 13 min to 14 min, and manages to consistently hit 900+ gpm and xpm. Tinker is really a greedy hero that needs a lot of net worth to be active; pretty much like Anti-Mage.
You can find Radical replay IDs here : dotabuff.com/players/117420603
@@GoodEveningDota My mmr is 2.1k right now im playing unranked to practice tinker.I get blink at 16 sometimes 15 mins.At 23 mins i get shivas.
@@dusanlabudovic4176 I think it's fine at 2.1k because everyone is on average farming slower. Keep practicing until you can get blink before 14 min if you can farm completely freely. I really suggest you check some of Radical replays just to see how he farms a quick blink. Also practice farming after getting blink. I generally aim at 10k+ net worth with 200+ LH by 20 min.
Practice the shiva combo, and also just being used to shiva. If you don't buy dagon at all, I will also suggest you practice it too. Being comfortable with both playstyles can be very useful. For instance, in my case, I like to buy shiva when I'm playing vs heroes like PL, Lycan, Furion, MK, Brood, WK (summons + right click only), especially that the level 20 talent synergises well with shiva.
how much u keep mouse sensitivity ??
My mouse is at 1000 DPI and Windows sensitivity is at 10 (standard one, if I'm not mistaken)
Casually enables "Channeled abilities require hold/stop"
HO LEE CRYST!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS AFTER 7YRS INTERUPTING REARM!!!!!!!
kindergarden for tinker... xD
1 question though, is this possible if you only have 10 fingers?
How do you create that lobby?
In the menu, go to Heroes, click on Tinker, then click on Demo Hero
@@GoodEveningDota thanks man. Really good guide btw!!! kinda the only good one on the web... really appreciated and hell! It has had me struggling like crazy
Hi again.Why does radical never build A-lens on tinker and never gets the range talent.Every tinker spammer that i have seen gets the range ?
Very good observation, and I can only make a hypothesis since I noticed the same thing. I think it's because he favours the damage output over the range, since you need to get close to people when you use Shiva (+it provides survavability with armor and slow). So for him the combo kaya + spell amp talent + mana reduction talent is more valuable than aether lens + cast range. It's his playstyle and he makes it work. When I go for his Shiva build, I go for both aether lens and kaya (and the cast range talent) because that's how I'm used to playing Tinker.
@@GoodEveningDota So basicly thats his style of playing tinker.
@@dusanlabudovic4176 Yes, and he's used to it. He made the switch from aether lens to no aether lens when the spell amp talent got buffed (iirc) along with the mana cost talent. So he ditched aether for kaya and the talents that amplify kaya's bonuses.
Actually I find he often doesn't use laser till he gets hex. Meaning with double shivas and rocket he can have vission and damage on enemies from fog without revealing himself. So he can stand behind a tree like 2ft away from you nuking the shit out of you and you can't target him and you're slowed. So he doesn'ty need to be half the map away. Also they have no cast point so you can rearm crazy fast so they can never catch you.
hello sir than you for the video I want to learn tinker can you watch me play on game and give me pointers ?
Sure man, add me on steam steamcommunity.com/id/good-evening
So many buttons... I'd find tinker really fun if he had like 2 less active items
Dude can u teach me use enable quick cast tp to base
same thing as other items, but you just need to Alt+TP to tp back to base. And personally, I'm not a big fan of quickcast on TP.
Hey man, good job for the video. That was very clear for me even tho i never use quick cast because i'm uncomfort with that haha. As same tinker player i want to ask you about the build. Do you prefer...
A. Aether-Dagon/hex-etc
B. Shivas-bloodstone/hex-etc
C. Bloodstone-Aghs-Etc
I prefer the B option.. That make my tinker thick as hell haha. Check out my dotabuff
www.dotabuff.com/players/444290798
Thanks for the comment. Option B is also my favourite, and I would also add a BKB to it. I only buy aghs when I'm vs PL, CK, Naga, or Meepo, or when I'm losing and defending hg. I go for dagon if I'm stomping and playing vs Morph, or generally squishy heroes (max 1 strength enemy).
I will also insist that quickcast is far better, just tryhard it. I personnally wasn't using it before, but I forced myself and it's day and night when you play Tinker.
hi cani haveyour discord bro
GoodEvening-#4395
send me a PM if you want