How to ACTUALLY lane as Pos 5
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- Stop ruining your carry's lane and become the pos 5 that your team DESERVES (or not).
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reality: You leave your carry on the lane to help elsewhere, your carry immediately dies
typical sea moments and then says "end" if they die lol
AHAHAHAH that's so true, that makes me cry😂
Make pull before leave your carry and he'll be fine under tower 🤓
so true, especially these dumb europe servers, cuz i main pos4-5 i set them up good then go to gank other lanes and tell them, they dive solo and still die like tf??
@@unknownsource1485 You still make SEA server jokes? When it is proven this things happen all around other servers ..
Perfect, now I can finally have a chance of winning when I get pos5 when I queue all roles.
KEKW
Clear, concise and not overwhelming
As someone who recently switched to support main, these are the things I'm trying to work and improve on
Another tip that doesn't necessarily fit the "laning phase" but will get you a lot of mmr:
STOP straight tp'ing after respawning. SAVE your TPs! You may not be fully aware how important this is, but seriously, it makes the game easier for you and your teammates.
THINK for a moment. CHECK MAP: is any other lane at risk in the let's say 0 to 30 secs due to potential rotations? (specially when enemy cores reach lvl 6, dangerous runes, etc.)
- IF yes, WALK back to YOUR lane.
- IF you see HIGH risk at say offlane and you somehow figured out say mid lane is coming to gank, TP there already!
- IF you are not sure what lane is at high risk AND you know you tp'ing back to your lane makes no difference, just WALK anywhere you see fit better, at least you have your TP ready.
Basically, try to save your TP as much as you can. You may only insta tp back to your lane on very very early game.
@@luishurtado2170the half pull is really where i'm struggling at. I always end up pulling the entire wave
another thing to note, the type of carry is also important, if your carry is a natural pusher such as naga or you pick a support warlock, i personally don’t recommend blocking their camp since your gonna need it yourself because thhe waves are always constantly gonna be pushed in
why would u want to push the lanes at the first place as warlock and naga? if u clear the waves so fast, enemy will have free waves. the idea is to reduce the offlane impact while ur farming
@@kiploism normally no one would want to push the lanes, but naga or walrock or jakiro will inevitably push the waves due to their abilities (maybe jakiro not if they use their skills without affecting the wave) but for naga its really inevitable, if she wants to harass enemies she will have to send illusions at them and hit the wave constantly to keep proc riptides, but regardless of that she is a hero that can clear jungle and a wave at the same time at minute 4 if she has a decent or a winning matchup. if her matchup is good you now harrasing the enemy and getting all the wave and also farming a jungle at the same time so yes you may be pushing the wave but also farming jungle at the same time while they are being harassed and only getting lane creeps
sry for long reply but i had to explain all the details
@@3arooshy465 the offlane still gonna fat if u give free waves
@@kiploism and the solution to that is my main comment itself, don’t block the big camp because your gonna use it to kill your own wave or at least deny two of your creeps, the lane will restart to being close to ur tower and gonna harass and farm the wave witht procing riptides and rinse and repeat, im not a pro or immortal player but im sying all this because i am an advanced naga player myself
Came here as a warlock spammer, don't block the hard camp. Maybe at first but if it expires or they deward it it's fine. Let them pull and then fatal bonds the enemy to all the creeps and then upheaval. Watch offlane explode. Sure, your carry might have missed a wave but now the offlaner is dead or low HP and can't even touch a creep.
For Me as a support player on low mmr your video helped me to think more about supporting and how to do it right thank you for your commenting and telling about what moves they do and for what !
"there is no excuse". Meanwhile me ench level 3 with a big creep: i missed the part where that is my problem
@abdurrahim618 sometimes too far to walk there
If it's not your problem don't worry about it.. avoid the player gl next... That's just how it is...
That’s why ench is favored by pro player, you can destroy early game with limited support item, you have free heal and every time the enemy try to pull, you just enchant the creep and farm them without spending 50 gold to prevent that
@@Personnoname114pros actually block their own hard camp against ench or they will get fucked. the time for ench to walk to another camp to get a creep is important
It finally happened the pros have discovered the patented siractionslacks half pull
🥸 slacks god
What are saying, he's a toxic annoying woman-like nerd too? :(
This video was so frickin useful. How I've not known the proper lane position is beyond me. Thank you Khezu!
Genuinely one of the most useful guides I've seen. Please do more like this for the other positions!
will do!
@@KheZu Hell yeah, can’t wait!
saw this video... tried to do every thing as mentioned... our team lost in 25 mins.
on how many games tho? just 1?^^
Quality Content! The video is short but includes all the important tips. That's what I was looking for. 👌
I loved this video. It's just pure Khezu: friendly, straight to the point, ready to follow... Thanks khezu
Thank you so much this is great! Staying active as pos 5 and helping other lanes is what I love about the new size of the map and the objectives.
Would be great to know when to pull and how to do half pull. I tend to not pull so much as I prioritize harassing the enemy instead
Your critical analysis and ability to highlight the takeaways is godlike. Thank you for this clean-and-pristine quality content
appreciate your comment
1) Buy stats and regen to win trades and enable your carry
2) Always block their big camp and unblock your small camp
3) Trade with pos 4 if you are stronger. If not - harass their pos 3
4) Half pull 2-3 creeps on small camp if lane is pushed
5) 2:40 Prepare to get lotus
6) 5:00 Look for places where you can rotate and help your teammates
7) 5:40 Prepare to help get the power rune
8) 6:30 Prepare to go for enemy wisdom rune if you have a stun
The content is getting better and better, keep it up man!
This is the best channel to have concise and easily applicable dota knowledge imo, thanks khezu.
damn, that was quick and very informative, we need more like this, thank you!
Wow. Never understood what should I do as pos five. the way you just explained it is pure value.
I learned a lot more in this 6-min video than all those games I was on. Lol. Good stuff!
Easiest subscribe of my life. Looking forward to more of your content, KheZu!
Thank you!
Hope to see you at dreamleague@@KheZu
Thank you Man! This Video with other Pos 5 videos help me out a lot
Great content! I'm happy to have found this and now subscribed!
Man, your guides are on another top-tier level. Keep it up, my dude!
Thank you!
Love these! Would love one on playing the lane as a meele support, especially vs ranged heroes! I've always struggled laning/positioning in sitations like that
Will make sure to add that to the list
Generally this one is either about 1) soaking pressure with heroes like undying or 2) if you play tusk, you want to use fog a lot and try to apply pressure with tag team or lvlup timings to get kills
Really helpful tips. Some are pure basics but we forget these little things that make all the difference.
This was so good. You a goat, KheZu :D
The best educational content out there rn, thanks bro
This type of content really helps! Thanks
Hopefully i can stepped up my game with the tips. Very useful and informative. Thanks man
Thnak you so fkng much!!!! these are the tips & guide we newbies need to improve in the game!!!
Nice!! So easy to do and so to the point. Thanks for the tips - it's worth its weight in gold! I would love to see a short guide like this for every role :)
Will look to do that asap!
good job i searched a lot for play early lane@@KheZu . Maybe a single pull to push wave naturally min2. ward at 5-6 min top left of bountry rune to see roaming enemies woud complete this a bit more. Maybe when carry goes woods single pull to farm under tower for safety cause it will push wave but who cares you just want the gold xp safe under tower. When leave core eg axe with vanguard so you need leave him maybe. mm if catapults are in other lane you go push . Maybe just leaving commend here if anyone sees. I dont know what is missing im trying to figure it out.
Thank you very informative! Would love tips for pos 3 & 4 🎉
Thank you! Been struggling to gain MMR here in Guardian rank 😅 this is a big help!
Great, precise and helpful, thanks alot sir
very helpful haha these are what i had a vague idea that i should do but not a clear idea.
REALLY helpful! thanks! would love to know more about mid game pos 4 n 5
Bro this clip was awesome ty .please bring more of these ❤❤
Actually I was looking for a guide like to this from a pro player, good content 😮
Thanks for the video -- it was super fun to watch
Amazing content KheZu, we all really appreciate it! Could you make a video explaining how to play the midgame as a support? I'm good at following your tips in the laning phase and I win most of my lanes, but I feel completely lost in the midgame. I feel like I always make the wrong decision. For example - If I smoke with my mid/offlaner, we get wiped more often than not.
I already have a little bit of a followup ready for the future.
Before uploading , since it will take a long time, ill try to give you quick advice
Generally you can 2 modes in Dota which keep fluctuating back and forth
Agressive and defensive
You are skywrath/snapfire/grim, most of the time u wanna play agro and help get kills with your mid or offlaner if they are ready. inbetween cooldowns you can play defensive and protect your cores or place wards
If you are a hero like SD/venge/warlock and there are no agro plays currently, look to enable your cores by helping them farm (break smokes, stack) untill theres a timing and go back to mode 1 (agro)
That was awesome, getting back at dota, contents like this helps a lot
Bro amazing content! Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
more support episodes likes this would be awesome, thank you
will do!
It couldn't be better explained, thank you
I would love more of this kinda of content
Awesome and informative! Thank you
haven't even watched yet and GOD BLESS YOU KHEZU!!
thx for the info imma use it for next stream
this is what Im looking for thank you very much
Ty! Keep these coming!
I like this Dota how-to more than many others. It's short and straight to the point - IDK mf's out there thinking posting an entire 50 minute match is helpful (it's the equivalent of 'hey you wanna go be good? just watch me play'). Your video did something they also don't normally do; you provide insight as to why you do things and what goes through your mind. TY!
This is the best 5 pos tutorial, that I’ve ever seen!
Clear and concise lesson 👌
Great guide Khezu, as always!
great content as always khezu!
Straightforward and insightful. Loving the guides!
You could also touch the topics of how better to use your resources on lane, on how to trade with pos 4 and when. How not to waste your spells sometimes, since that opens a window for enemy duo to kill you or your carry. Which items you priorities buying first minutes of laning etc. Great vid regardless
Would love more content on supports: how to play after min 7?)
This is actual great content! I wonder what's the right timing to do a half pull on radiant. I almost always can't pull it off.
Incredible level of content my guy 🤌
thank you! 🥹
Very helpful for me as suffering support player 😊❤
can you show more ward spots for both pos 4/5 gameplay on the big/medium camps i keep getting outplayed on these often
yes yes yes we need tons of pos 5 contents mr khezu pls
nice video! gonna practice half pulling today ^^
Video is great
Only thing I sort of disagreed with was the hard stance against wind lace. I think in certain matchups it’s worth the early buy, particularly pubs where the opponents are often unhinged and less predictable as a result.
The purchase from Snake is really very cool. I have everything the same, but in addition to 3 trees I also take tango and mango
This is a very solid advice. I'm currently on an 11 game winning streak just by abusing this trick. I go into games just dedicated to not let the enemy offlane get the hard camp. Just keep blocking the camp until minute 5 mark where most of the time my pos 1 is ready to jungle and just dip in an out of lane to catch creepwave
Dude i love your videos!
Can you please do a tutorian on last hitting creeps and farming fast. What to do and not to do.
Also can you teach us the dagger toss enemies to team mates and dagger skewer
Thank you!
Yes, one of the next videos for now is about last hitting
(I will try to do the rest in the future)
Incredible guide. Thank you so much. Could you explain what to do after minute seven as well?
Will be a follow up video on this topic soon!
really great video, thanks!
Love your approach and how you make videos. Would love a mid analysis (pls let it be an earth spirit replay)
Thank you! Its coming
(But not earth spirit 😅)
Amazing video once again, man you doing great! Please show us how to play as Pos 4 in regards to knowing what the enemy Pos 5 (as shown here) would do! ty
ty! Will try
I've been doing exactly ALL of these (maybe even more that overkills, ie, buying 2-3 sens since start all the time for camp war, trade with enemy like hell to cover my carry, always steal W runes, smoke gank all the time), and yet still stuck in Archon.
Thanks bro, whoever can play pos 5, is a a really good at pos 1 / 2 ❤
True
I do both pos1 and 5
Mr. Khezu, can you make a video with compilation of "lost lanes/games" and what to do in those situations, in other terms "comeback story" ? Thank you in advance, Im enjoying your educational videos
More general tips on pos 4/5 please! 🙏
Best basic build for pos5 is for me: 1 set of tangoes, 2 sentries, stick, 2 branches and faerie fire. But there are couple of rules I figure out way, way too late in my dota life (6k games played).
1. 95% of games you dont need mana regen item from start of the game. You have full mana pool, and you have one spell, so you can't burn it all in 1-2 minutes in the game. 1st courier trip can handle it.
2. use your courier asap. Right after bounty runes you have extra approx 100-150 gold to play with. If you use it right away you have adventage
3. harrass is priority no.1 like 95% of the time. you can pull, you can last hit far away creep, but you MUST harras and trade hits.
4. Never underestimate additional regen. Don't try to save money on it. Get tangos, salve, clarity, mango in time, not when you are out and have like 20% of HP.
5. Infused Raindrop is BiS in 90% games as pos5 in early game. It gives you like 5-6 extra stenght worth of HP (bracer) in fight. And mana regen of sages mask. It is retarded how good it is.
Danke für deinen Content KheZu. Bitte weiter so, kurz auf den Punkt gebracht und sehr informativ. Ich spiele selbst im 3 -4K Bereich und weis eigentlich alles was du eben erklärt hast. Aber manchmal laufen Spiele in diesem Bracket einfach total out of Order und ab und zu ist es dann schwierig diszipliniert zu sein, aber ich arbeite daran. Könntest du bitte mal ein Video übers warden machen? Und ich meine nicht early Game, das hast du ja schon gezeigt, sondern eher Richtung mid und End Game und in welchen Situationen was sinnvoll ist. Ich sehe viele Spieler die permanent Standard wards setzen die dann sofort wieder weg sind oder an den falschen Positionen wo sie die auch schon im early game schon hatten. Danke und Grüße aus Deutschland 🇩🇪
This is perfect as I practice pos5 and maining support.
Hello Khezu your guides are so useful for me, im learning about Dota. Greetings good guy.
Noticed! Thank you for the nice comment
Nice! This is very helpful 😄
Also, what is “half pull”? 🤔
hi khezu! will pos4 be somewhat similar? block the easy camp and unblock the hard camp? lotus pools at 3mins, rotate at 5, secure runes at 6, and wisdom at 7?
its not as simple, but thats a small guideline for pos 4's yeah!
Should do a video on how to know which objective to take
Very good video. I’m going to see if you have more now.
Esse é o puro suco do dota meus amigos !
Dude, thank you so much.
Great video again!
It was just yesterday that I suckwd so much in the game and wanted to take a break from it. Thanks for getting me back to the addiction.
😂
Support here😮
Can you make a guide for pos 5 if the lane is hard? Or if the team getting stomped early?
Мегахарош, лучший гайд на ютубе на данное время, спасибо)
Best content ever
Liked and subscribed
Great content Khezu! pls cook more!
wonderful teaching, thanks !
thank you!
Someone I admire very much, you could call him a dota intellectual -- a titan--, once said "NEVER LEAVE LANE ON 5!!!".
thx. i'm a 4/5 player and i need more videos about how to play on support.
Ty, thats was useful!)
Amazing stuff G
Im really new to dota and i'm not sure how do you do the "half" pull on the easy camp as radiant? The one you only send 2-3 creeps to the neutral camp
Time it between :18 and :21
or second option, hit neutrals, stand still, and now time your wave with the second time the neutrals hit you
Great tips.
Now for reasons why some of this might not work:
1. Your carry trades and CSs poorly, so he's never ahead of the enemy offlaner even in a good lane.
2. Your carry needlessly walks out of position while you are half pulling, and dies.
3. The enemy p4 and p3 contest the lotus pool, killing you in the process if they have the right tools for it.
4. The enemy p4 also saw a youtube video and is working as hard at unblocking his camp and blocking yours. You get no half-pulls off. He's usually stronger and more mobile than you, and therefore is a constant threat when you move to the deep side where the camps are.
5. Minute 5 arrives and somehow the other 2 lanes have either been feeding kills or playing passive, so when you look around the map you see nowhere your assistance brings an advantage.
6. You managed to steal the enemy wisdom rune. Even more, you were not contested as the enemy p4 didn't arrive in time for the rune. Ironically your carry died under his own tower to a p3 + p4 dive after he ate a couple spells between minutes 6 and 7, and had not purchased any extra regen past the starting set of tangos. Your carry pings you aggressively.
7. The enemy p3 is now ahead on XP, possibly bordering on level 6. Your carry tps back into the lane (which is now a dead lane) and dies again to the p3 ultimate; despite the fact that you were beside him, trying to save him from his own misplay - or perhaps 'because' you were beside him, emboldening your carry who didn't calculate the risks involved in tping back into the dead lane instead of moving to the jungle (which he ends up doing after this second death anyway, but first he has to waste 2 minutes without farm or xp, and he has to tilt, and he has to ping you aggressively and hang the game on your 'mistakes').
The lower the bracket, the more your team will hold you back, especially when you rack up on game knowledge like this video provides.
So, I like these tips, but there's only one universal tip for support players across all brackets below Divine: pick a hero that scales. Do your job, play your role, but make sure when the game goes past 30 minutes (as it invariably does) you still pose a threat.
I think you have some decent points, but dota is about how good YOU are, not your opponents (of course its a mixture of both)
but the way youre writing, you make it sound like you have no way of doing anything IF the enemy pos 4 plays perfect.
You need to play the situation. If you cant contest the lotus pool, then you cant and thats fine.
just because the 4 is stronger doesnt mean he can always unblock the camp.
Maybe you can push the wave? Walk over at :55 and place a new sentry
Sometimes your other cores are bad, and thats totally fine, just find ways on YOUR OWN to have more impact game by game.
Dont play through your weak heroes, play through your strong heroes
Thanks for your long comment, I hope some of my points can help! ✌️
First thing I had to say as a response to this video is that it caters only to people in the higher skill bracket. If you commit so much gold to supporting in lower brackets, you're going to find yourself losing in every single game, with a few exceptions. The reason for this is that pos 1 and 2 in higher skill brackets can take full advantage of rotations and pulls to pull ahead of their opponent laners. Every advantage created will result in a positive outcome.
However, I can guarantee that if a WR went mid in the lower skill brackets, did exactly what Sneyking did, DP would not have died because the follow-up from Invoker and NP would've been non-existent. This is simply because they lack the presence of mind and/skill of players in a higher bracket. You would've achieved nearly nothing, your pos 1 would've died after being left alone for over 30 secs and you would now be at a gold and exp disadvantage against the opponent pos 3 and 4.
All advice isn't good advice for everyone and it's prudent to consider all factors before trying to inculcate something new. Dependance on your pos 1 and 2 should increase proportionately with MMR.
i dont fully understand your first point
if you use so much gold on supporting its not good for you?
These starting items are nearly the best for every lane, no matter what your carry does.
You should always look to who you can help most, but with this attitude youre not going to get very far
i think ideally you want to give yourself the best possible chance to win any game 👍
Its not just your carry who can take Advantage of a won lane, you can too. Try it!
main point for me being, this video is for any mmr 😅
but you can skip some of the points if you think they are less likely to work, hope the other ones are useful though
@@KheZu It's quite tedious to have to explain something so obvious but it displays what was already clearly apparent in your videos.
You don't seem to understand factors beyond what you see in a skill bracket of players who are practiced and efficient. Most of your tips are largely useless in the lower skill brackets. If Dota 2 was such a simple game as to the extent your subpar intelligence can comprehend, everyone in every skill bracket who used your strategy would win their lane, which is a statistical impossibility.
Carries are not always good, and you will lose the game against a support that chose to make items like Rod of Atos or Aether Lens over spending it all on support items. They understand that carries in their skill bracket are nowhere near capable enough to carry 4 other people, a concept outside of your capability of understanding. You seem to think of Dota as an ideal world where every pos 1 and 2 will do nothing wrong, which is incredibly stupid.
Learn to see things more than what they are at face value. You won't go very far otherwise.