How to Play Hard Support | Dota 2 Position 5 Guide
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- Let's cover all the major skills you need to win MMR as a Hard Support player! Whether you need a beginner's guide or advanced concepts, this guide goes through each stage of the game to explain what you need to be prioritizing.
Soft Support Guide: • How to Play Soft Suppo...
Warding Guides: • Warding
Pulling Guides: • On Pulling
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:37 - Drafting
1:43 - Blocking Camps
3:49 - Pre-Game
6:42 - Laning Stage
7:59 - Last Hits
9:54 - Harassing
14:23 - Pulling
16:23 - Roaming
21:02 - Early Game
25:37 - Mid Game
29:47 - Late Game
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I've been searching for a breakdown of roles like this such a long time.
Getting back into the game recently and having to earn role queue tokens as a support has sucked when I don't have a game plan.
Thank you and please make one for Pos4
This is the most comprehensive guide there is out there and deserves a million likes
I really liked Jakiro example "right clicks vs spells". Very clear. I kind of knew it, but this video made me really realise the importance of right clicks.
Best. Supporting. Guide. Ever.
Legit it's like a supporting bible.
Zach this is such great content - thank you!
Your videos are the main source I've used to climb from Crusader 4 to Ancient 3 over the last 1.5 years as a support main.
Hoping to get to Divine before year end and with this level content I believe it's possible!
Appreciate you.
This honestly might be the single most useful Dota educational video I've ever watched. Understand pos5, understand dota. Thank you!
This is the best breakdown of all the pregame/earlygame thoughts that a support has to carry!
I find that the higher MMR I get, the quicker my cores are to responding and understanding my call-outs on all the map movements I see and keep track of for the team. :P
Thank you! Yeah, the higher up you go the more likely you'll actually get team plays going. The lower in MMR you are, you'll have more opportunities to scale and go greedy since there's a lot of inefficiency.
going to be watching this video weekly. been playing on and off since dota 1. in a position where i can put some hours into it atm, just ranked up crusader 2 rank and this has given me so much info i need to keep going. thankyou!
Very well explained and detailed guide. Thanks a lot, even though im higher rank, there are always new things to be learned. Keep it going !
Learned so much as a new player from this video. Thank you very much
This is quality content right here, not a cheap guide saying "do this shit and you insta win". Teaching the thought process and strategies is something a lot of people need to know. Great job!
Awesome job. You put lots of effort into it. Keep on!
This is top-tier content, thank you so much!
Great concise breakdown.
Love and blessings!
awesome video as always!
Great content as always!
That's a damn nice video guide, thank!
one of the things ive realized most recently, from this and the video you did with slacks earlier, is that. you can just use buyback if oyu have it, its not something that is suddenly available when your an hour in and they are seiging your t3s, you can use it like 20 minutes into the game to make sure the team fight ult you have actually gets used cause you got caught out, and securing and if the fight does continue to go poorly, atleast make sure a you save one or two of your cores in the process by simply being a body on the feild again. im still getting a feel for the correct time to use it, but if it saves a few teammates, enables a few kills even if i die pretty soon after under tower and the enemy mid tries to tilt over it, it still seems like a good idea in my book
Yeah it's huge - early game support buyback so under used - started consciously trying to do it more this year and it's turned quite a few games for me at key moments.
Especially in the ;caught out before you used your ulti' situation you mention above.
agreed. especially if the sup ult doesn't get used... often possible to get back into the fight and turn it with that utl
Love your vids, great insight
Very lovely video! ❤️
taking a last hit even if your carry couldnt get it is a quick way to lose the entire game when your carry throws a instantaneous baby fit about that one cs for the rest of the match.
😂 Yeah had to face this a lot. But we're the babysitters so I would just give them their binky (tango, salve, clarity, lotus) and they'll shut up.
@@zacsubach yeah I just play like low rank unranked if I were to take a creep in a way that looked intentional and then tried to frantically explain to my carry there was two getting low and I got thje other one because they werent going to be able to get both. The game would be over lol
First!!!
Zach with another great guide. Honestly amazed you could fit all of those points in one video.
Very straightforward and informative
Much appreciated
finally! i can direct my friend to this video when they support me! thanks for the guide!
superb guide, thank you.
Wow.. what a nice content. I'm divine mid laner but this was just "wow" ! Congrats!
Good guide. Thanks
Great vid!!!
Such a masterpiece video, mainly for Carry players to get a better understanding of what to do in the game hahah
I'm a returning player who wants to retrace my once Dota 2 skills. 🤣
I used to be a pos 2 player, but I want to restart from ground up to train my macro knowledge.
Thank you for the brilliant guide! 😁
Awesome stuff
Fantastic guide!!! Thank you.
(The Solar Crest on Veno at 26:00 bothers me so much. 😅)
I'm losing some games right now and I think this refresher is highly needed. Thanks, Z!
Super useful,❤
Thank You for Your videos! Are You gonna do updated Jakiro guide tho?
Yo, that warlock escape was PRO
Great video! 5 stars
Faerie fire is very strong early game, buy it. Blood granade also adds 50hp so ultra strong and it stacks.
I started playing dota few months ago and I'm quite old (almost 30y/o w/ kids) and your content makes me have easily over 80% winrate on ranked, I'm currently a guardian 3 but I haven't stopped climbing yet. I bet you could teach a monkey how to play dota, good job :)
Nice Vid :)
Great! Now semi-support guide pls
Hey Zack, amazing video as always. I'm currently at Legend V and I've around %65-70 WR as pos 5 so I seem to be climbing up steadily. However, sometimes it is still unclear to me to decide what to do when my pos 3 and 4 are losing their lane and not playing carefully (playing tilted) after dying like 3-4 times. At that point, even if we're winning our safe lane, the enemy pos 5 feels pretty comfortable ganking/pressuring us back and forth.
So my question is: Is it better to try to help the pos3 and pos4 to grant them some momentum by going top for a kill (or prevent them from getting killed) or is it a safer bet to stay in my lane and help my carry get more farm and also prevent him from getting pressured up. What should I be doing when I seem to be winning my lane but the offlane is losing extremely hard and they aren't trying to build back up, constantly blaming their mid or me (pos5) back and forth for not helping them out.
My last few matches I've been dealing with many weak pos3 players that tilt so easily and can't really draft strategically so I keep seeing my pos3 and pos4 losing their lane and soon after, it's a snowball from the enemy safelane (such as CK, lifestealer etc.) and I'm not exactly sure how I should react to that.
I've seen other guides recommend you do go to offlane and pressure enemy carry in this spot. If your mid comes along they will freak out and generally the pos 4 will leave to defend safelane, leaving your carry to basically freefarm against the offlaner.
Help your pos 2 early to mid game pos2 is your winning condition.
Check first with your carry if they can stand on their own, then leave. Don't just leave quietly.
When would you buy and use a smoke pre horn to either ward or go for first blood?
Block creeps for mid then tp to safe,
that 100g tp is worth it if your mid gets the wave to be on his hill, depending on matchup ofc. Youd be surprised how many mids up to, and beyond 5k mmr just go for bounty runes / fb having no idea or just not caring of how important lane equilibrium is first 2 waves, I win the lane for them without them even realising it.
Interesting tip. Thanks
Great video but you didn’t mention the most important decision for a support: (when) should I buy Midas and turn myself into a core (because my cores failed)?
Great video!
Is there anyway to download your herolist or do I have make my own?
Technically, but it's complicated so I don't actually know how to do it :(
I actually want to re-do my hero list anyways soonish, maybe after that I'll look into how to share it
@@ZQuixotix
So I pause your video at the hero screen at copy that!
Ty!
I really love your guide. And your one of the people I watch to help myself rank up.
I've been watching henry a lot and it seem like he recommend support to farm a lot especially in low mmr.
Can you make a video about farming as a support as it is really difficult to find the right balance between farming and fighting. (when to fight)
"Melee heroes have an innate 50% chance to block 16 damage from auto attacks"
This is new information to me
As the "all heroes are faster during nighttime" is to me.
We need to pay more attention to patch notes it seems haha
Anyone knows where the Pos 4 video is? He mentioned it in the intro but I can't find where it is. I'm mainly a 4 so that would help me a lot thanks
Great video i got 1k mmr watching your videos
Wtf! Just watched your shadow shaman video on hard supporting from years ago, and you publish this ? XD
do you have a video that teaches you how to properly harass enemy hero without pulling creep aggro?
in my rank aka 1000mmr pos 5 and 4 are the same for some reason. Also 123 are all the same too only difference is the lane they start in. Alltho pos 4-5 is just a jungling carry a lot of the time.
often times playing proper support on lower bracket gives u more leniency to win since people tend to be more selfish/uninformed and having proper bare minimum draft can punish them. although u kinda need to be slightly more selfish in case if your cores are incompetent (agh shaman to rat instead of trying to buy defensive items where your cores would dive 1v4 either way that no item would save them)
personal tip is to focus on the best player on the team after 6-7 min imo. i used to be 4k pos 1 main who play supp every now and then to relax/change things up and got kicked down to 1k due to inactivity so i kinda understand. so far its doing well lol
u kinda need to know what are good "selfish builds" or not though, im sick of seeing radi necro or agh rush lion/ES and we lose cuz it doesnt really provide anything (or even funny tbh)
9:09 "2 last hits coming up at the same time" Assuming your carry is in range of both, do you ping the creep you plan to eat or say anything on mic? What is proper gentleman's etiquette?
Great content! But imo a very advanced video for supports, not newbie friendly. Nothing against it. I would recommend this vid to my newbie friends but I would expect them to find it to be difficult for them. For us long time Dota 2 players this vid is informative, for newer player's there's a lot of explaining to do in able for them to grasp the importance of being a Pos5.
true. but Zach has a lot of good (though slightly outdated) intro videos that are very useful initially
Its all about that creepuilibrium.
Nice guide
Hmm role queue wasn't a thing the last time I played. Can I queue for position 5 every game and just wait longer or is this a system that forces you into roles you are much worse at and enjoy less?
you won't wait long queing pos 5, you would for 1 though. When you run out of role queue "tickets", you'll be forced to queue for all 5 positions, and for that game you will earn 2 tickets if you lose, and 4 if you win. But most of the time when you do this, you will get pos 5 lol
Last hitting any creeps in the lane below Legend bracket is "griefing" regardless of whether the carry can get it or not
Not drawing creep aggro is so important, can't tell you how many last hits I've missed on melee carries because of this, also as a support don't just auto the creeps when there is "nothing to do" , the carries have a pace and a timing down for LH and you will make them very irritated.
20:53 What ? We have bonus MS at night ?? For every hero ?
In guardian taking an lh as supt is high risk for carry to throw.
My friend I got a question for you. IF you are hard suport and ur carry gets bitten by snake on his sock, would you suck it?
How to Play Soft Support | Dota 2 Position 4 Guide please next =)))))
in the pregame you didnt mention buying boots then selling them at the secretshop, thats not a thing anymore?
It's still possible but it means you have to be going to the offlane in order to sell the boots on time. Many people are opting for getting the actual starting items to be stronger in any fights that happen rather than having an empty inventory after selling boots. You'll still see it on occasion though (usually by the 4 support rather than 5)
Cores ping and rage whenever I take a last hit regardless of whether they were gonna make it or not lol
What is blocking?
I'm playing pos4&5 in 1600-1700+ MMR. It's hard when your cores don't want to win games. 😢
Try playing in 4k it’s even harder
Try to play supports with a lot of burst damage, like skywrath or lion
I know how that feels, against enemy CM and SS my core would be like bkb is for losers. I recently played with AM who kept complaining when I secured range creep or any creep telling me to stop farming even though he could see them denying it and he was nowhere in range. Or a Void who keeps on silencing himself with MOM and blames the team for not saving him and dies without ever using chrono, NS who refused to do anything if it's daytime even if he has his ult, BS who rush force staff and octarine.. I've had so many brain dead and crazy rambo type cores its hard to win.. I was literally 1 mmr away from immortal and with the new map update I keep getting all these low level trash tier cores and fell all the way to guardian 2 and now I had to play carry to win games to offset my losing streak with playing support. Ironically I have 57% win rate using sniper as pos 5, but someone always complain and the chance of someone griefing is too high so I cant spam him.
Current rank Archon 1.
Just make sure the enemy cores also don't want to win 😎
When i head all these things i'm supposed to do.. fuck this. I might as well do my taxes and the dishes. Equally not fun, but at least that will make my life better xD
Does anyone else miss pudge before the reborn update?
ohhhh so when i leave lane to double stack and proceed to jungle 3 minutes in to the game thats griefing the carry is it?
so if i pick kunnka as a pos 5 and farm a shadow blade all game to counter the bristle, is that a grief too?
then when the core gets angry we blame them for getting angry?
(i swear some of the attitudes on pos 5 players doing this type of shit gives the dota community SUCH a bad rep, valve NEEDS to change the cuing system)
One thing I've always wondered about is the cost of teleport. Sure, you can teleport here and there to be relevant to every fight, but teleports are quite expensive. So how do you do that quick math?
I noticed that top level Dota supports are quite willing to die in the beginning, so I wonder if that's related. Sometimes I'll watch a hero at very high mmr to see how it's done, and the support dies without having to etc. To me it just looks bad, and maybe it even is in low mmr but not in high, I have no idea. The whole thing is quite mysterious.
After watching this, i think dota might be harder or more complex than chess.
Hundolini or whatever
im kinda bored support throwing team..this game make me healing
Watch people play Dota 2.
Get into Dota 2
Play turbo games/casual games to unlock ranked
Que for ranked and get autofilled soft/hard support
Franticly watch youtube guides on how to play whilst IN GAME
Get flamed by russian/arabic people
i love dota 2
huh
tmr spanish please
Hard supports are more popular with the girls than soft supports, if you know what I'm saying.
Only the good guys tho, coz they always finish last ;)
So what ur saying is ur a virgin
@@pcxxy Support is the definition of a good guy. It's the clever part of the joke.
virgin
Someone please explain
I mained support for the last 4 years, and all it did was instantly tilt me the moment I play core. Within 5 seconds I can tell if my support has 1 or 3 braincells (never more than 5), and I lose my shit. Lmao
your channel name is so hard to find.