7.8k coach explains how to DESTROY the Midlane 95% of the time
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- čas přidán 31. 12. 2022
- !!!!!RECOMMENDED TO WATCH AT 1.25X/1.5X SPEED AS NORMAL SPEED MIGHT BE TOO SLOW!!!!!
This video explains a crucial concept in the mid lane in order to slowly turn the advantage towards your favor. It explains the importance of building advantage from level 1-2 onwards in the first 4 waves by using creep aggro to ranged creep and punishing enemies as they move in to take the creep.
PS, do note that this is matchup dependent as well hence the title 95% of the time as an unfavorable matchup like Ember Spirit into Shadow Fiend would still require much more in depth laning skills, for instance trading only when Shadow Fiend's razes have been used on creeps etc..
Hope you guys will learn from this video, enjoy!
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PLEASE WATCH AT 1.25/1.5X SPEED
No need. :)
You explained really well and speed is perfect too.
One of the main problem I face is have to focus on soooo many different things.
Creeps low health, harassing, watch mini maps for ganks. I get anxiety. XD
no need, this is too good
the tempo is perfect man! I have been playing it wrong for years! thank you
*assuming you're an experienced player*.
It's not easy to find such a good and analytical explanation. Thanks for sharing this!!
Oh my god this video is so well made, literally so much better than all other channels I've seen. so clear and well said.
1. Last hits
2. Denies
3. Creep aggro to ranged
4. Trade
5. Type ez mid in all chat to assert dominance
cringe
i love that you show what to do on both sides its so good, so easy to understand with explanation+arrows
Love this format since I saw Henry doing it the first time many many years ago and he stop a long time ago, keep it up man thats good stuff here.
Commenting to help your channel. This is the real type of dota educational content that people want. Keep up the good work. I shall spread your channel around like the plague haha.
I'm not a mid player but watching this video will really help me a lot if my team got my roles and this is the one left. Thanks!
Never found such great explanation. Great vid mate, keep doing it ✌🏼
Thanks for doing man even though I have stopped playing dota still watched it to realise my mistakes🙌🙌
Im very new to dota and dont rlly understand the game/laning phase this is very helpful to me thanks for the video!
Thanks man, some great tidbits in here that I hadnt quite figured out myself yet
Thanks for your time! This gonna make my Ember games better!
As a 7.1 k mid laner . I sometimes go into autopilot mode . Thanks for making educational content that reinforces the important aspect of laning.
what do you mean autopilot mode? Is that good or bad?
@@reiokimura6519It’s bad since you don’t think about match-up or timings; and end up losing lane and early game.
@@xnitron6739 it's not always bad. Though you're playing based on instinct and muscle memory, there are instances where your experience as a player makes your instinct more reliable than overthinking a situation.
Thanks bro, I am also a content creator for CZcams teaching Dota so I send you a hug, thanks for all your information.
another excellent thing to do as a midlaner: when opposing mid dies, u pull his creeps sideways to avoid contact with ur creeps. ur creeps will go to enemy tower & the whole batch dies with the enemy hero not getting any gold nor exp from that batch. if u watch pro games, u see this is one common tricks of theirs
another is, no matter how good u r or ur tricks are, these are useless if u got counterpicked hard. if u won a badly counterpicked match-up, its either the enemy were bad mechanically or ur support is great. it doesnt mean becoz ur so great. some bad match-up at mid is salvaged through support's heavy creep camp stacking like when Storm got owned at mid
im a hyperaggressive midlaner. i made my opponents most of the time as poor with networth comparing to pos5. they only managed to avoid such disaster becoz of other interfering factor like supports
This was very good, thank you!
i am bout to solo mid some one challenged me tonight. Now I am observing as much knowledge to get preped. Your vids are very awesome.
Amazing breakdown. You just gained a subscriber.
Its very good explanation, one thing that I miss, is that there is few players explaining side lanes, I find it very hard to master it, with 4 players dynamics, it would be cool such a cool guide for side lanes
Thank you for this video. I find it very helpful.
Such an amazing video. Thanks 😊for sharing
I just got my first 15 minute radiance thanks to this video. Well done.
Great content bro!
Thanks, I will try this tomorrow! Pls more Videos
Amazingly explained thanks
Great content, please make more of this. Do you stream?
Nice, great vid. Would like to know more like what a mid player should do in early, mid and late. Aside from that, please tell us what's the best thing a mid laner should do if he lose mid. Thanks!
Hey, thanks for the feedback. My schedule right now does not allow me the time to release videos on a frequent basis but there are many videos which I have in mind that are bound to come sometime in the future. Look out for those, thanks!
Just saw this video, really appreciate the insight!
Just a question, what about during melee vs melee matchups or ranged vs range? Is the objective still the same?
Hi, laning objective is always the same. Get more resources than enemy, harass them by setting up favorable scenarios to punish using creep aggro, identify who's stronger and weaker and how to act accordingly.
@@BalloonDota Ohh i see, thank you for replying!
Great content as always. CZcams algorithm brought us back together again :)
good to see you doing well mate.
Thanks bro, been doing well. Glad the algorithm got to you!
As a 2.8k MMR and mostly mid player, this is very helpful to me to advance my MMR and say “EZ Mid” at the end of the game (regardless if win or lose). Keep posting situational lane match up. Will subscribe to you. More power mr. yellow
2.8k mmr mid player? My food
if staying 2.8k I suggest trying another role, it may fit you better. Mid is the easiest lane to play and if you cant climb from there, perhaps youre better on another position.
@@johnflorence2672 7k mmr now :) mostly mid safe and off
you wlll be 2k all your life with your attitude
ez
as well bellow MMR where this matters in my games, it's good to know the theory and put these into play. I do the aggro a lot, but I hadn't thought about the body blocking as much. Also I'm glad I'm justified in micro punishing opponent. I had thought from other videos that is better to Neve miss a single cs than it is to punish opponent and chase them off.
Hi bro, what the other videos were probably trying to say is if there was a last hit vs a harass, 9/10 of the time you would probably want to take the last hit before harassing the opponent. This is however, very case-by-case basis because if taking that creep meant giving up a ton of damage through harass, then the harass would probably be more worth it. But if giving up a creep only meant little harass on the enemy, then the creep would be more worth it. The best scenario is always to secure creeps and hit the enemy hero with an AOE spell at the same time to maximize spell casting and CS efficiency at the same time. The other Midlane video I created recently will probably show this way better, so do watch that video to understand further.
czcams.com/video/bPn_0e7QX9c/video.htmlsi=ZdVfcbc2U0WzU3Yo
Here is the video link.
Nice this helps me understand laning better 👍🏻
this is super useful! thanks
Ty bro im missing parts of this knowledge thabks
Hey i have a question hope u can reply on that:
when i need to go for bottlr first item or actually some state item first?
was struggling like im playing qop vs vois spirit while if i go 4 iron branches i feel like he is more pain than im that i not able to fight him even with range due to creep is hitting me as well. In that scenario izit buying state item first will be a better idea or still need to go for bottle and spam skill on void?
Hi, pre 2 mins bottle will always be priority in lane if you are using a hero that depends on spells to lane.
This explanation was great! In the case of playing tiny mid do you still want to creep aground to range and harass the enemy mid? Or just deny all creeps with the huge amount of damage?
Yes, creep aggro unless you have advantage to trade, meaning you want to hit the enemy hero.
Very helpful thank you so much for this
One thing Ive learn from Sumail & topson perspective is they always hitting enemy if he’s range vs Melee unless the cs is low enough to secure ,sometimes they will even just keep clicking enemy rather then securing the creep ,and I found this way is very effective to push enemy out of their lane,do you think this is the right approach or just play for cs game in the lane and wait for own timing ?
The idea is about who's stronger than the opposition. As long as you will win a trade, you will almost always give up the other priorities like denying, aggroing and last hitting to trade the enemy unless you can use spells to secure last hits and trade at the same time which is the most efficient way to trade. This concept is called playing for 'contested creeps' to bait out the enemy so you create an earlier advantage to trade.
Hi nice video!! Suppose Level 1 enemy is stronger than me then after i deny the range creep as u mentioned...should i drag the wave to my twr and last hit or try to keep it on my side by moving in "U shape" to maintain creep equillibruim.
Hey, the ideal scenario would always to play as close to your side of the lane as possible. If your enemy is chasing you down then you are forced to drag the wave past the tower to hold it between your two towers instead. If he isn't running you down then you should be making the 'U shape' to hold the lane for your wave to meet.
Great video, friend, can you explain to me what program you use to create arrows above the video? I would appreciate it very much, success.
This is EpicPen
can you explain the meele and ranged matchup with MK and TA? as they have the furthest meele and shortest ranged
Thanks for the content ✅
so good ❤❤❤❤ need more videos like this
very good explanation
Thanks coach! ✨🙏💖😁✨
Just subbed!
Such a helpful vid man
Hey bro, love your videos. Most of the time when I try to pull creep aggro to ranged creep two of the melee creeps give up and aggro back on the melee creeps again. How do I pull all the melee creeps onto my ranged creep every time like you do? 👊
Hi, that's because creep aggro duration only lasts for 2.3 seconds. After that, it will stop chasing you. You need to attack the creep for it to chase after you still as the creep is about to turn back after aggro for it to stay on you, or you need to reaggro again after the cooldown ends.
Thx bro
Nice content bro
very informative and helpful, thanks mate, cheers gg wp
I don’t play mid but this video is great, well done explanation
What program did you use to do the arrows? I like it, it's like a presentation.
Thanks for the tips btw.
Hi, its OBS software
@@BalloonDota Oh really? I've had OBS for a while and I did not know that OBS can do those presentation like yellow arrows.
Good to know. Thank you!
@@BGLoscar Sorry I meant EpicPen, not OBS. OBS is to record, epicpen is to draw.
what program were you using to write on top of the video? great video
Hello, thank you for the kind words. This software is called EpicPen
Great video bro. Subs
Every time I do this without a spell hero to take the range, they always take mine out first. Should I tank the 3 melees to try to get the range or just sac it? Seems bad if I do that.
If I try to get the range the rest go into my tower
Hello, the melee creeps will only hit you if you put yourself within aggro range of the creeps, specifically in front of them and issue an attack command on the enemy. Whether or not you are able to secure the creep depends on many more factors such as heroes, positioning to creeps, health etc
@@Imperious123 you can get the range and still pull the melee creeps to you by aggroing them with issuing an attack command on the enemy hero
superb!
hi, i don't understand why as you said if windranger gets lvl 3-4 ember can't win the lane anymore. I thought ember always wins this matchup because he gets levels on his w and spams it
(i am a wr player)
Hey, WR's powershot would one shot ember's flame guard easily in the early lvl 1-3. The only way ember would win this is if wr doesn't hit him at all and just keeps hitting creeps, not using spells on the guy and allowing ember to run into her face and somehow just stands there. Perhaps what you might be describing here is underplaying yourself as wr or you just got outplayed by a good ember player.
Nice video
more like this please!
very helpful
ty❤
this video help me bully noob pubs at 3k mmr bracket😂
what a great coach
thank you
Great video. I don't think you need to watch it at 1.25x speed. I think it is fine how it is.
how does a meepo punish a player this early for enemy trying to go on range creep.
thanks, need midlaner advice like early, mid, and late game please
how to rotate and so on
Will work on this in the coming days, probably by weekend will release. Thanks for the recommendation!
@@BalloonDota good shit, i'll waiting for that
Thank you I am playing mid laner
One thing I noticed about this guide is that when you played windranger you went blight stone meaning you will not be able to get bottle before water runes which could mean that all the trading gets nullified since bottle in current patch is basically full heal at 2 mins. You also went salve on ember spirit instead of spending less gold and rushing bottle. I generally only spend about 300ish gold when I play mid do you think this aggressive trading is worth it against a hero that can full heal at 2 mins with bottle? When I play mid lane I focus more on making sure I secure all the CS to crow my bottle straight away unless I'm in a clearly dominant matchup or the enemy has had a mistake that is too easy to punish.
Edit: (I've found playing like this to work at around 5k mmr but I do think that this is correct way to play mid on the older patches pre water rune.)
hes actually teaching you how to handle early creep wave by giving opponent pressure also. With your playstyle you prob gonna only have 50 50 lane most of the time, or even giving the opponent hero opportunity to hit their level spike easily.
@@ryoshi04 Well I'm pretty sure i already kind of do this subconciously but only slightly less aggressive. I just found the item builds to be unrealistic on current patch.
Hi, to explain further on this, Windranger with a blight stone into a melee hero makes it so that she can keep poking without ever getting poked back which can add in a lot of initial harass into the lane. Similar to how Mirana and Hoodwink can do the same thing because of how they can abuse melee heroes without getting hit to further push every trade's advantage. mThe thing about bottle is if you save for bottle, the chances of you dominating the lane is going to fall significantly if by the time you hit that bottle, you had done minimal or suboptimal harass to the opponent.
Like mentioned in the video, the lane is easily decided by level 1-2 in the first four waves. IF you are able to pull the enemy in and push them out all the time with favorable trades, simply sending out a salve and some mangoes with full health full mana when the enemy is stuck with below half health will significantly win you the lane almost immediately regardless of whether or not you have that early bottle which could in fact even delay the trading advantage you would have in lane if you wait too late.
I am not advocating for forcing trades, I am simply teaching you to identify favorable trades, to recover immediately after instead of waiting for the bottle which will make you recover too slow and lose advantage. Perhaps what you are referring to is more of playing for CS, trading off VERY obvious spell casts and mispositions without much punishment and waiting for the bottle to come slowly at prior minute 2. However, I can guarantee you that if you play against a very good mid laner, you will not have that time to buy the bottle because of how much recovery is necessary to simply just sit in lane and take creeps.
I hope that helps. :)
@@ryoshi04 Thank you for explaining this!
even as 7.4k guy i learned sth great video
if it's range vs range or mele vs mele what is the right approach ?
If melee vs melee, usually we will trade whenever spell is up from either side. Of course, this is still going to be dependent on power spikes of the match up. If enemy hero is in your face, then you will mostly right click them and throw spell to trade.
If range vs range, this is more about making the enemy ranged hero walk in to take a creep, then you will need to try and trade the enemy without drawing aggro by running out of creep aggro range. It is however, still viable to draw aggro and hit the enemy hero as long as you are doing more damage to the enemy than he is doing to you.
thanks
can you do another video for melee vs melee and ranged vs ranged matchups?
Hi, I will be making a 1v1 series some time down the road where I will be looking for volunteers to teach them 1v1 and post these on the channel. Keep a lookout for that! :)
Please do this
Pick me please 🥺
@@BalloonDota pick me please im around 1k mmr :D :D
I really like this video
awesome
Youre a genius, japenese!
what about sf, he raze u 3 times gets the ranged and then procede to raze u other 3 tiems u dead lvl 1
These heroes that are lane dominators often have their power spikes. So, you need to abuse them before they get stronger in lane. For example, Shadow Fiend and Viper at lvl 1-2 is not that dangerous unless SF has 2 razes stacked on you, and 3+ stacks from Viper. Once they hit lvl 3 onwards, that is when the lane gets hard. So, your goal is to try and get as much out of the lane as possible without having sf raze you 3 times (reset raze if already got 2 stacks from SF or 3 stacks from Viper).
@@BalloonDota bro another thing i noticed, that makes my trade very inefficient, is that when im ranged and i hit enemy melee from hg i pull all creeps to me, and to not try to pull them under tower i tank them, and even if i move i take a lot of damage with heroes like invoker, and i lose the harrass even tho the enemy didnt evne hit me once. Creeps keeps attacking me while i spam right click
@@federicocapriotti2180 hey, you need to harass only when you are able to win the trade. That means you should be taking lesser damage, either from the creeps, the enemy hero or both so you need to know how to hit without getting hit, or hit and get hit but still do more damage. I will make a video soon about how to win most trades in mid, heads up for that
@@BalloonDota bro, ur awesome thank you, i'll wait for the video :)
Is this concept also applicable in all lanes?
Most of it yes, the only difference is that there are 2 heroes to consider so strengths and weaknesses, punishment can differ
srsly dood your helping so much interms of evertything
Would be useful to make ranged vs ranged
CREEP AGGROOOOO!
I play this heros, And I really want to be good at them, (Batrider, Pangulier, Dp, invoker, Storm, Ember, Puck, Primal Beast, Earth spirit), I watch a lot and try to learn everything, but because of school I can't play yet but after a month I can play again :)
any tips how to lane against OD? i feel like every lane against him is a strungle no matter the pick.
OD isn't strong at lvl 1 or 2. He starts getting annoying once he reaches lvl 3 and 5 if he plays with astral imprisonment. So the key is to abuse him at lvl 1 and 2 by taking trades that will go your favor.
I thought it's nothing to say at first
what means cs ?
Creep score
came to learn dota 2. Left with knowledge of how black neighbourhoods work with all the "Crip Agro-ing" going on
Bro do u still playing dota?
Yes sir, am still doing coaching and playing
increase your volume please
Gees I don't want to play dota anymore.
Please put off your kreeps skin, i cant see mele or range kreep is
can u improve ur mic quality? cant hear clearly on normal volume
8k MMR is nothing...you also will lose some game at low bracket with animals teammates...it's 5v5
Mostly those high MMR player they play party to go high rank not solo with random player started on 3k with those animals...
7.8k only...
Buy a better mic if you're serious into this kind of content.
Wow, you've managed to make dota boring.
great video!
this is so weird my last game i was mid against a guy called kai, then i watched your video and from memory you were coaching a guy called kai hah:)) to funny