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The "Hell No!" And pause just made me wake my girl up 😂
One thing to note about the tail end of Timmy D’s career is rather than “not caring”, he was simply taking care of his body to battle the young stars of the time. If y’all recall, that spurs team was the first to blatantly load manage and was fined $250,000(!!!!!) for resting their starters in a televised game.
Bro ngl the short hair really suits you
No Diddy. I agree tho. Kinda wanna see bro style it up a bit. Tie it or whatever you know. Try some shit
Looking hella cute
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that warriors not winning a majority of the rings take got to be one of the worst I have ever heard man. Since we seen the warriors win a ring 2 years ago without durant and none of them in their prime.
Him reacting and making a comment about it is the Hottest Takes parts especially the Warriors in this video.
1000% agree with you
"are injuries off" 🤣
Jimmy's "no" 34:58 sounds so cold wtf
Fact
lolll
"are injuries off" gotta ask jimmy if he went into simulation settings 😭
we need a jimmy 2k video, honestly, him overanalyzing literally everything would be funny
Basketball is a team sport so saying that Tim Duncan shouldn't be in the top 5 of all time because he was "just" part of the Spurs system and was surrounded by great players is like saying that Lebron James shouldn't be in the goat debate because he played with Wade, Kyrie, and AD throughout his career. There has to be something said about staying with the same organization throughout your whole career and creating a wining culture rather than just leaving your team every time you think they aren't good enough to get to the Finals. Yes, the organization helped make Duncan as good as he was, Pop coached Duncan like coach should and that shouldn't make you look at Duncan any less. MJ had a great coach and Jerry Krause put a great team around MJ and he is still in the top 3 on most lists. When it comes to Lebron being looked at as a top 3 NBA player, people always say look at his accolades, so lets do the same with Duncan.
I think lebron stuck with the Cavs for so long and they didn’t do anything to help him he’s scared to wait bc he doesn’t want to be in the same boat he was in in Cleveland
I wish you would react to his we are done with the 90s video
still can !
@@CliqueClips can’t wait to see it! It’s a good one
2004 olympics is my answer to you saying Manu would not have made HOF.@@CliqueClips
bros ADHD is off the charts 😂
i think from 2014 to 2020 you could argue kawhi, curry, durant, and lebron as the best player in the world as they all won multiple rings during that period. durant was the best scorer and most
unstopable scorer, kawhi was the best 2 way player and was the only player who ever gave the warriors trouble, lebron was the most physically dominant player and the most gifted player, and steph was the best shooter and most explosive scorer
yea i rather this & praise to all players rather than shooting them down for sure . i think a lot of people realize their mistake in hating too much once players retire like some ppl with kobe n lebron lol. i will say i dont think Kawhi had an argument until maybe 2015 or 16 but def had one until 19 and id still push for him now if he just wasnt injured too much in recent yrs
@@CliqueClipsput harden in there
@@CliqueClips i just believe the difference between all four is razor thin in terms who would be considered the best of that era. like lebron is the best but the ball did bounce the right way for lebron a couple times
that kawhi take is HEAT
That 2017 Warriors team would dominate this era. They got 2 MVPs in their prime, a DPOY and a all-NBA player on top of it with a good bench.
The '23 Suns pushed the Nuggets to 6 games. But instead of Booker, you have prime Curry. Instead of 37 years old CP3 facilitating, you have DPOY Draymond and as a bonus you just get Prime Klay, Iguodala and Livingston instead of Payne, Okogie and Craig. '17 Warriors in 5.
The '22 Warriors are just a worse version. '17 Warriors in 4 maybe 5.
The '21 Bucks almost got beat by KD and half Kyrie and half of not fully healed Harden. Also went to 6 against the Hawks and Suns, who the '17 Warriors are way better than. '17 Warriors in 4 maybe 5.
The '20 Lakers just cant keep up. Even if you say Steph/KD = Lebron/AD, they are just outclassed down the roster, compared Draymond, Klay, Iguodala, Livingston to KCP, Danny Green, 34 year old Rondo and Kuz? The '17 Warriors even have a younger McGee, who was the Lakers starting Center. '17 Warriors in 5 maybe 6.
You can do it for every Current contender and it still wouldn't be close.
If you take their current version '24 Warriors with KD instead of Wiggins and Kuminga. It would be a discussion.
I don't hate Lebron but I'm also not a huge Lebron fan but there is something to be said about Lebron making random players (teammates) relevant. Also the Lakers just didn't know how to use Westbrook cause Westbrook just came back from being out (the Clippers were on a loosing streak) and now the Clippers are on like a 7 game winning streak (just saying 😅).
Manu would have made HOF even without Duncan just because of 2004 olympics.
i’ll drop my hot take
steve nash’s 2005 mvp seems to be the most widely panned mvp of the last 40 years, if not ever, but i’d argue his 2006 mvp was a lot more egregious
nash averaged 15.5 and 11.5 in 2005 on 50/43/89 splits, which doesn’t pop by any means, but the suns went from 29-53 (21-40 under d’antoni) the year before, to 1st in a tough west with 62 wins, in large part to nash orchestrating the 7 seconds or less offense.
2005 was one of the weaker mvp pools ever. this was a pool that saw “pj brown”, a 35 year old on the new orleans hornets averaging 11/9/2 on 45% shooting, get an mvp vote
the majority of the candidates were rather on winning teams and had underwhelming numbers for mvp standards, were seen as second fiddles to the leaders of their team at the time (like wade or amare), or were players with the better stats that lacked team success the era’s voters required. this season lebron and ai put up the best stats (depending on how you feel on ai’s efficiency), but each won 42 and 43 games respectively
in my opinion the only clear player robbed by nash in 2005 was ironically dirk, who averaged 26/10/3 on 46/40/87 splits while leading his mavericks to 58 wins, which was 6 more wins than the previous season *despite* losing the eventual mvp from their roster
2006, however, makes zero sense. nash had better numbers than the year prior, but he had 0 right winning over lebron averaging 31/7/7 while leading the cavs to 50 wins, dirk (again) averaging 27/9/3 winning 60 games, kobe averaging 35 (although i understand the era win tax), or even wade averaging 27/5/7 with 52 wins
hell, even elton brand lead *the fucking mid 2000s clippers* to 47 wins, 7 less wins than nash that year, while averaging 25/10/3
now why the hell did my high ass write 8 paragraphs on this? idk. but the context of the 2005 mvp race kinda fascinates me and i still can’t believe pj brown got an mvp vote
pj brown is goated, idk what to tell you
but to be serious here, who do you think should've won MVP in 2006 if not for steve nash?
@@TippedScale i can respect a cult legend but it’s still wild to me he got an mvp vote that year 😂😭 as far as my 2006 mvp i think i’d say that should’ve been bron’s, he had the best stats/winning combination imo - it was kind of his breakout party and the first year the cavs broke through. if you were to argue 3rd best team in the conference still wasn’t enough winning in that era for mvp consideration, bc it was pretty strict back then, then i’d say dirk again
Saying that tim duncan is overated becouse he had good coaching is really funny. I dont get it.
It's not that he had good coaching. It's that he was consistently in a fantastic system with fantastic teammates and an All-Time level coach for his entire career, with very few breaks in-between plus a ton of great luck. It's rare that anyone gets that kind of consistent excellence in their basketball environment, much less for like 15 years straight.
Look at Lebron. His first stint in Cleveland was marred by incompetent management and terrible teammates. His stint on the Heat was good, but then he went back to the Cavs and started having some issues at the latter half, and then the Lakers basically chucked their entire championship roster out the door after they won. Duncan had the perfect storm forming around him from day one, and while he was definitely a massive part of his own success, it's not like he didn't have help. Still a top 10 player of all time easily, but calling him a GOAT candidate is a bit difficult when others have done similar despite even further hardship.
@@blazefactor6849 well i see the system/management as part of the coaching. Also tim duncan was the face of spurs he made everyone around him look better. Im sure he had huge influence on the franchise. He was lucky but every goat candidate was "lucky". mj had pippen and phil jackson. lebron could join a team with wade and bosh and later he had kyrie and love thats lucky. Luck isnt something you can measure or even define.
@@blazefactor6849my question is this, if we placed tim duncan in another player's shoes (say kevin garnett on the timberwolves) wouldn't it have achieved the same effect?
@@TippedScale His first 3 chips were tim duncan ball, you can argue garnett could do the same, but duncan ball was run perimeter players off their spot towards duncan and offense was run sets through him/give him the ball then let him pass out of it. You could argue others could do it, but the spurs system until they really let parker cook after 05? That's a tall order that duncan answered emphatically.
ive watched like 4 reactions to this exact video already but my feed is so ass i clicked on another one
kd was better than bron in 2017 kd outplays bron like 95% of the time they see eachother
Jxmyhighroller is back!
Yes sir
clique has to make a video now about the 2017 warriors in the modern era on 2k
Thats why the corner 3 is the easiest shot in the game because its most of the time a wide open set shot i think jimmy defeated his own purpose with that one.
The 3 bears…and the wolf who blew there house down😭😭
Kawhi was #2/3 with curry from '16-'20 (Minus the injury time)
Kareem can play with Oscar and Magic but Timmy can’t play with Tony Parker? And young Kawhi Leonard? Really?
Have you seen what this video has done to NBA twitter. They are spadering this man JxmmyHighroller and calling him a bad youtuber. Im not gonna stand for this, hes stated so many times that he likes analytics and they dont paint the full picture. Jxmmy one of the goats of basketball youtube
Man the corner three is not the best shot, I totally agree with jimmy here. Whenever I played basketball the fact I couldn't use the background made my perception of where to shoot and how to shoot it change, and I mean change in a bad way....
Westbrook actually wa cooking the 2 half of the season. He actually helped up
Why does CZcams keep recommending this vid over and over again
34:26 another player who had a crazy rookie was Micheal Carter-Williams. Almost had a quadruple double in his first game
my goat mcw
A lot of Lebron detractors have been saying that he can't be the greatest because of those choices. HIS decisions to leave teams and chase instead of helping build teams up is a mental failure that doesn't matter for most superstars, but if you're making the claim that you're the greatest to ever do it, that's a fundamental part of being a leader, and the lack of that quality is enough for me, and many others, to shut the argument down entirely.
The only problem that I have with this take is that there was no spurs system and pop coaching before Tim Duncan. He won 2 chips without proper allstar help and then afterwards he had incredible finals performances
Exactly. I’ve been wondering if anyone else saw that LOW clip. Early spurs Pop was not that good. He was good but wasn’t the Pop we know now
I didn’t realize how mucho he rants
Absolutely see that top 10 list ranking around 13:30 that had a list with GINOBILI at 3. Lol
I grew up watching Timmy basically from 03 to his retirement I def have him interchangeable from 7-10
Clique really talking about seed when comparing the last 5 rookie seasons
I gotta disagree with the 2017 Warriors being the best team of all time - 2014 Spurs would have handled them due to their insane defense IMHO. And their offense was poetry in motion.
Go back and watch the finals that year - it was magic.
14:27 okay but just like ppl saying Lebron could’ve won without leaving …. He’s so good they would be contenders every year . Yes free agents come but no draft picks . No Tyler hero just Lebron
But it's only based off their rookie season so you wouldn't know if lebron would have got injured or not.
You clearly don't know what 'arguably' means
WHO HAVE THOUGHT
that a young blood like you
my favorite second channel of yours
Westbrook was one of the best players when he won the MVP award and at the same time you could say he was a detriment to the Thunders that year because he had the ball too much and didn't get his teammates enough touches which could be looked at as him not actually being a valuable player. The Thunders only won like 47 games that season. The MVP award isn't for the best player, it's for the the most valuable and if Westbrook couldn't get his team more than 47 win then was he really that valuable. Also KD left the Thunder that year so you could say that Westbrook had to carry his team and they only won 47 games because he didn't have any help carrying the team.
Dwight said he wantwd a bigger role but they was like nah
prime steph kd and draymond would be ahead of okc in the west rn.They also had klay iggy and javale mcgee, they dogwalk current west and east with no bench
jokic having a crazy efficient szn too
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Imo if stayed n Miami he wouldn’t have gotten two more rings
Idk abt the LeBron heat thing, the heat are what they are because that big three fell apart so idk
with the LeBron ruining the lakers debate, obviously he played a role in bringing Westbrook in and deconstructing the roster but the main reason for the destruction of the roster was Kyle kuzma, a player whom the organization had put their trust in since before LeBron got there was unable to be a successful 3rd option. In 21 with the injury of Anthony Davis and then LeBron, the team looked upon kuz to be the leader and play well for us, same as KCP, Montez and so on. it was clear when the lakers lost in the first round to the suns that THAT team would be unable to play well with LeBron being a few years away from retirement. so what would be the solution ? get a 3rd star, now at the time, Russell Westbrook who had just come off a season avg I think 21 11 11 looked like a great option, did that work out. No of course not as the lakers went on to miss the playoffs that season. would the lakers have made it to the WCF and maybe the finals had AD and LJ been completely healthy that season, I believe so, but the lack of support we received from Kuzma especially was a big factor in the destruction of the lakers roster, I agree with the point the LeBron likes to get things quickly, he wants to win as quick as possible and often even though the can be and should be blamed It is the coaches and teamates who take the fall for Bron
Link to his video bro, it's only fair.
Idk why but I feel like Victor would sauce Tim up 😭
Dude trippin how tf did Tim Duncan come into such a great culture that never existed before him ? When he got the spurs Greg was a rookie head coach and the spurs were poverty asf he changed how the nba viewed that team. Yes he has had some great teammates but name me a top 20 player that hasn’t 🤣
the three bears blew down their house my favorite childhood fable
Tim Duncan the GOAT
(I don't actually believe this I'm just a spurs fan)
Tim Duncan Top 5!!
Ngl clique you were yapping 6:00
Yippeee
14:25 had disagree
Please watch basketball they still won the series without Kevin Durant
Curry was the weakest mvp ever when he averaged 23 and 7 😂😂😂 harden got robbed
It’s not that crazy to say Timmy a top four player of all time. Why is that crazy?
For the same reason people always says. Because he’s so boring and not flashy enough🙄🙄
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clique you looking tasty bro
You should watch the rustybuckets kevin durant hater video lol
Very incoherent in the end there lil bro
him acting like Duncan isn't the 4th maybe even 3rd best player ever actually angered me and i hate the spurs so much but he genuinely made 3 HOFers respectfully
meh, I think he is maybe 6 or 7 but not 5.
@@flamefusion8963 who is 5 guys that’s better than him and please don’t say Kobe because that’s just not true
@@princepayne4262 Easy. MJ, LBJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, or Shaq. Nobody thought for a second that Tim was the best player when he played. Meanwhile these guys dominated their respective eras.
@@flamefusion8963 Tim dominated his era too what do you mean? 5-1 in the finals don’t mean nothing? I’ll give you Bron, MJ, KAJ (in that order) but no way you can possibly believe magic, Bird, and shaq I better than Tim. Tim has more in every stat other than points than shaq. His counting stats are better than the last three guys you named while also having better accolades 15 all nbas, all stars, and all defensive teams 3 finals MVP and 2x MVPs while winning rings in 3 different decades and just like Shaq he should have multiple DPOYs. I wanna say after all this tho I respect the opinion there’s no ill will in my reply I just think it’s crazy that Tim is responsible for 5 HOF careers His, Tony, Manu, Kawhi, and Pop and still people won’t give him is respect
@@princepayne4262 saying tim dominated his era is like saying curry dominated his era like no the warriors dominated just like the spurs did its the team
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For me Russell Westbrooks MVP was pretty bad. Stat padded rebounds and a lot of turn overs to get the asssits. Not the worst - probably bottom 3-4 MVPs.
But you make a good point about Nash, I'm gonna say that was the worst. The season after his two MVPs was actually his best year.
So based off Westbrook; D Rose is probbaly worst 4-5th thos century.
Tim Duncan isnt overrated
He clearly is top 5 all time
Magic won finals mvp as a rookie 😂
B cuz of one game… kareem was the best player on the lakers for the series. League just wanted to set up their new star
W vid
It’s funny how the most agreeable one clique said was the hottest
Steve Nash has the weaker mvp than d rose