Aubrey Matshiqi: Civil Society Capture? | Electoral Reform | New Futures for South Africa
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
- I caught up with uGogo Aubrey Matshiqi. In Part 2 we talked about his thoughts on the identity crisis that faces civil society and a way to navigate into a new future SA.
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CONTENTS
00:00 - Intro
00:33 - Creating a new vision
03:30 - Strategic voting
08:08 - Navigating towards a new future
10:56 - Civil society's identity crisis
14:25 - Interests of global capital vs Interests of the oppressed
20:08 - A parallel state
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Credits: Edited by Tsholanang Rapoo
Thumbnail illustration by Tshepo Mosoeu
About me: Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh is an author, scholar and founder of the Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh Xperience (SMWX), a digital, youth-centred current affairs platform. He holds a DPhil in International Relations from the University of Oxford and is currently a postdoctoral fellow at the Wits Institute for Social and Economic Research (WiSER).
Gogo Matshiqi, black excellence at its highest, black man of this calibre are solely missed in our lives as black man, you are inspiration Baba Mhlonishwa Matshiqi
Yassis gogo at the end shattered my mind
We like first, then listen... that`s the order
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Great conversation. The ability to look into the future and perceive pitfalls is so incredibly and you guys do it so well in these discussions.
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Thank you again for an enlightening conversation.
Continue with the Great job bra Sizwe thanks to Ugogo Aubrey Mashiqi
All has been said below, all I can say is phinda umbuyise nagokuzayo uGogo
Such a thought-provoking exchange in the morning.
A perfect way to start a day and the week, with constructive thoughts.
Thank you Dr.
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Deep thoughts & Information for breakfast. Lesss Goooo!!!!! ☯️ ✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
Wow wisdom bakuphile abantu abandala gogo thokoza baba too Sizwe big up boy what a humble child. Siyabonga Sizwe🙌🙏
At this time, boy is testing our dedication
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Too much
The need for a new movement or order is spoken about by many. Now is the time!! A new alternative to get to govern is imperitive. But a new SAfrica the system has ti change .. decolinise?
Onwards and upwards.
Thank you Gogo and Prof..
We need to come together and strategically establish a set of civil society groups that will work for our interests. The current ones have made it clear that they exist to serve their own specific interests despite how they attempt to present themselves publicly
Letshit that thumbs up before watching. This channel is such a breath of fresh air! Ayeye🔥🔥🔥
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Agree!
It is very inspiring ,to Analyse the state of the country,and clear information
You are a mind reader, Sizwe!!😇
Thanks again Sizwe. I so look forward to these conversations with uGogo Matshiqi, although his analysis leaves me disturbed. It would be really important to hear uGgogo's view on the recent spate of shootings at the Taverns. This is both sad and alarming.
Thanks! 🙂
Sometimes I get too uncomfortable and anxious to hear of the reality. You guys talk reality .Thank you
What a sober, eye opening conversation! GOGO Aubrey what an exquisite mind! Always need to listen over & over again to your conversations🙏👊👌
We up Sizwe
Hi Sizwe. Good stimulating conversation on the relationship between civil society and political society in South Africa today. It is my contention that civil society has never been politically and ideologically homogenous. Civil society is never a single entity that's fixed with a single identity. Thus, for me, the issue isn't the 'identity crisis' of civil society, but rather what the presence or absence of different civil society actors (organizations and social movements) in different struggles and discourses say about their political agendas, ideological orientations and identities.
I'm grateful that you both draw attention to how former supporters of the pre-1994 white supremacist political order are able to exploit post-1994 institutions of liberal democracy (i.e. courts) to reinforce and maintain South Africa's unequal racial status quo. To make critical sense of this tendency we need more critical and complex perspectives of liberal democracy. Apropos of this, I don't think the dichotomoy between apartheid and democracy is useful, because it works to obfuscate the illiberal dimensions (the darkside) of liberal democracy. It is not true that liberal democracy didn't exist during apartheid South Africa. It did, but liberal democracy was racially exclusionary. The late Caribbean political philospher, Charles W. Mills, calls this racial illiberalism. In essence, what I am suggesting is that we need more critical and complex discussions about liberal democracy that place it in correct historical context, which will help us to understand the relationship between liberal democracy and injustice in both pre-and-post-1994 South Africa.
UGogo is 100%on point!!!!!!
Great conversation once again with uGogo.
...I can't help but notice how deeper we're going into load shedding stages as we ask deeper questions about foreign currency and contra band under the matrass at PalaPala 😀🇿🇦.
Another one! Prof Sizwe ft Gogo Aubrey 👌🏾👌🏾🔥
Ayeye!
uGogo's s view of SA 💫
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I am African American living in the US. There are so many historical and contemporary parallels between American democracy vis-a-vis the African American community and emergent SA democracy vis-a-vis the black South Africans. Western style democracy or better yet, western plutocracy has never worked in the interests of the majority of Africans on the continent or throughout the diaspora. I agree with J. Maponga that we need to initiate our own systems of governance.
Moreover, “reformation” of systems that fundamentally do not work in favor of black African interests is not going to be helpful. Systemic Transformation, rather, should be the focus and priority.
The uncivil society is indeed the gatekeepers of the new apartheid. In fact, they are preserving continuity of the old into the new; however, in gentler and kinder forms!! Alas!
First of all, I've been meaning to get to these discussions and I'm glad I finally made time. Both parts were worth it. They're insightful and in my opinion objective because they leave the audience with something to think about.
In my observations the system we live under, whether commercial or political possibly religious etc, has been built on the back of the spillage of human blood because of prejudice. Countries were colonialzed and those who defended them were brutally killed by colonialists because of the color of their skin and made slaves to work for businesses who benefited from the spoils. Religion was not far behind and assisted the politicians in these acts. In effect prejudice, whether racism, ethnicism, sexism etc, is the foundation of this system and it is not in the interest of those in power to end it. They're always able to either defend it as they're doing now, or use it to divide the majority that their forefathers colonised and enslaved. The architects of the system and beneficiaries are millenia ahead of the masses Sizwe and, as Mr Mashiqi intimates, it will take drastic action for the society to defeat it. It may have to start with the oppressed 'emancipating themselves from mental slavery' as Marley sang, then they may be able to organize themselves under a common vision. That society movement vision should be to overhaul the system and not put lipstic on the proverbial pig. Their vision should not be about getting positions of power and wealth in a system that was built to oppress them and those who look like them. A system that was built on the spillage of the blood of their forefathers.
But, alas, I am not holding my breath because even in those new society movements there will be some who will be bought for a price.
Sad indeed
Gogo says it as I see it!
My brother, your shows is great to make it powerful you need live audience.
You can start university lecture podcasts where young people/society can engage speakers.
And what gogo is talking about can start a great movement
Yes indeed, a thought provoking discussion that makes one question oneself about what is happening in one's own political space in comparison with the state of art politically in RSA.
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Ayeye!
Sizwe though!! Awuna thixo bra
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Very true that most of the civil society is captured. I do however disagree with the notion that this captured civil society is creating a vacuum for racist and Xenophobic organization. Yes Afri forum has racist tendencies, but at least their representing their society which is the Afrikaners, who are by the way citizens of this country. The infrastructure, the farms and the SOE's of this country were championed by the Afrikaners. This is a form of patriotism the Afrikaners have for this country. Them deploying man power to guard our borders is patriotic. What's so right about people entering S.A illegally only to come kill the farmers, steal and compete for low skilled labour with the citizens of South Africa. Operation Dudula is also fighting for the rights of the South African citizens. It cannot be that a local has to compete with a foreigner for small businesses. South African spaza owners and street vendors should never be allowed to compete with foreigners in these sectors. These sectors helped black South Africans to take their children to school and varsity as well as take care of their household. Let's first focus on service delivery, entrepreneurship and education then expropriate land and not the other way round...
Mmm the more I listen ugogo as a young South African. I get worried about our future under the current leadership we have 😴😴
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Why Gogo Aubrey is not a presidential advisory panel of some sort, is beyond my understanding. But then, a mind such as his would betray the true motive and end-goal of the WMC gatekeepers, oops, I mean the ANC.
They don't want him they want to steal
The way to restore the people’s confidence is to introduce Direct elections and constituency represantation, and then later get rid of the commercialized democracy and its multi-party system in our elections and parliament. Introduce the Sankara Oath, ie every parliamentarian and officials in the government uses public transport, public schools and public hospitals.
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Along with "civil society", the identity crisis seems to have a grip on investigative journalism as well. The previous administration saw a near-heroic rise of investigative journalism which seems to have vanished under the new dawn
Dr SMW can you please invite Dr Lwazi Lushaba to talk in the same topic
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uyishayile mfan'omnyama.mabasibusele,basibhekele thina abamhlophe.kunjalo mnumzane futhi satshelwa ukuthi uma sinikwa lombuso,okwethu ukuthulisa isizwe sakithi bona badle ifa labantwana bethu.yonakele lendaba futhi phinde yalungiseka.
I agree we need to imagine a new way of life in SA, individually and collectively. Keeping in mind the context of our past, now imagine have a white president in this new SA, imagine that. Active citizenship should not be confuse as the voice of civi society, we do not vote for civil society neither do they govern SA. Yet they have captured the voice of citizens. Contrary to belief our constitution does not align with capitalism. Captilism logically is the result of Nationalism is not obvious if we just look at consumption, rather than production , this when the we see the power of land . The current interpretation of our constitution and its implementation is elites. The laws allso seem to be interpret only to protect old wealth and capital interest and seem to be willfully blind and deaf to opinions and views of the majority.
It seems that Aluta Continua since the economic emancipation is not attained. There is lack of political will to obtain economic emancipation and of bringing the back the land to the people.
Sizwe… we already have privatised land. You simply have to look at the National Key Point act of 1982 and how that has produced:
1.) A private militia
2.) Private security firms.
3.) The advent of living behind boom gates.
All of those are linked directly to that national key point act. Which was why I kept asking myself why we were worried about the Gupta’s landing at Waterkloof Airforce base whilst sitting on our couches within national key points.
I kid you not. Go read that act to understand it.
A parralel state has long been established in South Africa. South Africa is practically South Africa (Pty) Ltd. If it were not for the private sector, South Africa would be dust and barren land. We now rely on Private Education, Health, Courier/Postal, Security, Emergency Services (Ambulances + now Discovery Fire Engines), Power Generation etc. The system is BROKEN and we do not trust the government ANYMORE. South Africa will be the first country that is purely a private economy.
Those people in the comments who say this guest's grand assertions are "thought provoking" clearly haven't had their thoughts provoked in quite some time. Just because one wears a table cloth does not make one a savant.
And we are really left on a national treasury cliff hanging 🤯
Majority of the individuals on your insightful platform are Africans (black) in particular, i was wondering if you'd perhaps look for different voices: Young female scholars, white analysts, Indian pundits, political figures with their varied stances (young and old). Ulumkile Mondi must chill th🤭ugh
Fantastic engagement by the way, big up.
If I may ask… what would the point of that be?
Thanks for your kind response.
As majority of the issues discussed on this platform are focused on South Africa, which i think we would agree is diverse in terms of race. It would be informing to hear how others view and interpret the current political and socio-economic climate of South Africa.
It would also bring with it: different voices and lenses. As individuals we are influenced by our background, be it a class, institutions, race and gender. Opening up the platform to other knowledgeable people/pundits may create an environment where ideas from different individuals are unpacked, thus offering new insights.
@@teeeceee624 multi racialism has failed. It was bound to because people will always revert into their crevices.
At 80-92% black and oppressed, we are not too diverse to find common ground against a minority of agent provocateurs.
@@lezzgp Mine is not to call for social cohesion nor rainbonism, I'm simply saying in our diversity,we are privy to the same political and economic issues that unfold within the boarders. That was not an exhaustive call as the platform is not graced by just ANYONE - the suggestion for diverse views and inclusivity as stated, is for knowledgeable people (political analysts/economists/lawyers and pundits) which I believe we have in great numbers across the all the races in South Africa.Those unheard voices may bring a different perspective to the dialogue.
@@teeeceee624 as you are too. You too are a social commentator. I’d love to hear your views. They’re critical
One day you must talk about Ramaphosa's followers, coz right now they are the enemy of the state, they won't listen to anything opposing Cyril, as you are talking, your audience is us, one who look beyond media propaganda and objective thinkers, we cannot run away that those who falls under 'RET', are fascinated when such discoursed are implemented, and for them to understand beyond media propaganda, they then become a sober minded portion of SAns, but they're small in number. Other section is made up by Whites and Middle class Blacks, I just read a comment from a constituent of that section, saying they must vote ANC out(which might not be a problem), but then he continued by saying, there's more of Mantashes and less of Gordans, meaning Mantashe a bad guy and Gordan a good guy, so from there you can see, the brain is fixed from what media pose to them as good and bad, they're not even learning through Phala phala issue!
Is it not a travesty that so much noise was made about the Guptas leading to the Zondo Commission while the real State Capture was anointed by Mandela leaving the Oppenheimers, Ruperts etc in charge??
In short South Africa is stuck where it was in 1994.
@ Zizo. That's so true, only a few so called rights were given while the economy & land remained in the hands of our oppressors. The voting system is flawed since the same multinational corporations control us through their agents & puppets. We are far from freedom. We are still seriously colonised by the West & their secret services work around the clock to maintain their status quo.
To say that the State Capture Commission exists solely because of interference with the Reserve Bank without supplying any justification for this contention is what I have come to expect from this guest. Lots of assertions with no substantiation or evidence presented.
Aubrey is being disingenuous AfriForum and Dudula are merely doing what government should be doing, i mean these 2 groups literally beg the government to do their jobs, when the citizens then do the job as they should because at the end of the day its the government of the people by the people, he comes with his usual delusions but does not tell the truth.
Mkhulu, you state that national treasury is an institution of whiteness and neo apartheid. This is just plain rubbish. You need to take a trip around sub saharan africa and see what it looks like where there is no capital.
Please ask daddy to stop defending recalcitrant former presidents whilst smiling for the camera. Thanks
"Beat the dog and the owner will come out"... we are beating the dog, and its cowardly owners refuse to have it. #AYEYE
Lol, one can only laugh at this complete and utter hogwash of an 'analysis'.
Struck a nerve, huh?
@@lordsabre66 clearly it did,