Razer Blade 16 - RTX 4090 Performance
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- Performance benchmarks of RTX 4090 equipped Blade 16 performance compared the MSI Titan.
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Blade 16 is a MONSTER this year
Monstrously priced, but man I kinda want it.
Are you going to make it your daily driver
I want to know if the 18 is even better- more watts specifically.
Where do you get that jacket bro?
I monster to your wallet, sure. Look, I'm not trying to be unfair to these machines, but when a MacBook seems cheap in comparison, something's wrong.
thank you for not ignoring the ridiculous ever increasing pricing. it's absolutely insane how far into the stratosphere this is getting
You also have to consider the raise in wages along the years.
@@dragospahontuthere’s been wage increases?
@@dragospahontu Maybe it's worth considering in the US, and some other parts of the world, but not all I'd say. Wages in my country have been stagnant for 15+ years while inflation is at an all time high, getting something like this would require saving for 3 to 4 months without spending anything, something that is basically impossible when taxes and rent consume 80% of said income, which I'm sure is not that uncommon.
“rediculous” lol
@@djnastynipples at least in the private sector
$4300 is eye watering, let’s just hope the 50/60/70 tier GPUs are priced properly and deliver decent gains
Yeah, let's hope💀
Probably at least $1000 for anything 4050.
I'm sure you can find something from 2021-2022 with a 3060 for a way lower price. You'll be losing dlss3 and probably cpu performance but games that don't have dlss3 should play the same or better on a 3060 (for cheaper)
the gains will be about 20%
Asus Strix G series laptop will retail at $2600 for RTX 4080, if that is of any consolation.
You wish. They will keep cheating, lying and overcharging down the whole product stack.
It's great that Dave always keeps the price in focus and makes videos that takes normal people and their budget into consideration
He's the best just for that.
Loved your energy on this one. Always a straight, no bs, to the point review with good info. Thanks Dave
Everyone - OnePlus 11
Dave - Razer blade 16
what's 12?
Seems like oneplus 11 is good...
Saw some reviews
@@manofmayhem56 /woosh
@@aayushvaghela251 /woosh
what is OnePlus?
That video where you looked forward to the performance is still fresh in the memory. You were spot on
Underrated but the way you do your graphs are fantastic! Always done pretty good with them but for some reason this video stood out to me and looks great and is easy to quickly understand and support the point you're trying to make. Thank you for paying attention to that.
I don’t care at all. A few years later 50 series will be announced, by then 40 series will get some discount, and 30 series will receive a huge price cut, which means 20 series will be dirt cheap. And that would be the best time to buy the 10 series. Once my friend buys the 10 series GPU, I can get my hands on his 9 series to replace my GTX 760M. So excited thinking about it
What?? 🤣😭
@Dave2D, a foolish question, I just checked iBuyPower, System76, etc., where a similar desktop build to the Blade 16 costs roughly the same. Still, the laptop has the added advantage of having a pretty good screen and portability(battery and a good keyboard). Can you please explain why the price is too high for the uninitiated? It is high but similar to a pre-built custom high-end desktop with remarkably identical specs.
I am really glad I took the plunge a year ago, with the 2022 Razer Blade Advanced. I spent a bit maxing it out and I like everything about it but the heat it generates.
I like the older design and the screen...it is the still the most beauriful display I have seen. The screen is probably the best part of the setup. I think its better looking than the LED version they have now.
Wow i really love that intro, I've rewatched it about 20 times lawl .
New to this channel - the videos are great! High quality, informational, and not too long. Keep it up sir!
You can limit wattage usage in msi after burner under the section "power" on main screen. Decrease it by 50% to test the scores
He don't have access to stuff like that.
@@denysberezovskyi1113 MSI afterburner is available to the public
Your graph style is really excellent!
Dave Always watch your Videos to see what is happening and New .Thanks so much for sharing this. I appreciate all your hard work. I am very interested to see what else you have as well.✌️Deb
An €800 difference between the 4080 and 4090 version. That's insane.
Very impressive results. Wish I could afford one
Here you would be paying 72000 south african rand
Good ol Dave analysis there at the end. ❤️
I like that this video really had nothing to do with the blade, yet I still watched the whole thing because it was very informative and interesting. Looking forward to seeing those reviews. Thank you for your take and calling them out for the pricing.
Would love to see a performance comparison against a desktop 3090, specifically for content creation (DaVinci, Redshift, Octane, Blender).
You mean 4090
@@tysage1473 In my case, I am interested in comparison to the desktop 3090 because I know this card can't compete with a desktop 4090. Mainly because my current setup is a desktop with a 3090, but I want to lower my energy usage and space occupied by a huge PC tower but retain more or less the same GPU rendering capabilities. So I'm hoping to switch my setup to a laptop.
Man, I wish I could play on one of these. After finishing my degree and being set out in the job hunt world, finances are looking dire. Looks Awesome!
Build a desktop instead. Laptops with 4090s are just stupid. They'll cost you twice as much as an equivalent PC.
@Rampant yeah I'm looking into this. As you said, much more cost efficient. I'm not too tech savvy, so I probably won't build it myself. Looking for good value pre-builds.
Hey are you gong to do any videos on the new Galaxy Books? I would love to see a review of the 3 ultra
I've been waiting for these reviews! thank you Dave, always on top of it and makes quick concise videos! We appreciate you!
Nvidia used to have a "M" for Mobile moniker in their GPUs dedicated to laptops.
A GTX 980M had less SM cores and was cut down compared to a GTX 980 desktop.
Then for the 1xxx and 2xxx series, they dropped the M moniker as for once, the laptops and desktop chips were the same (just the frequency and memory were different).
For the 3xxx series, the chips began to be different again with the laptop parts being cut down but they didn't reintroduced the M.
And for the 4xxx series, they blatantly shifted their offering to be deceptive.
A 4090 in laptop is actually using an ADA103 which is same chip as... the 4080 desktop.
And again still no M moniker.
You can expect a lot of 4090 in the Steam surveys this year that will be basically laptop versions and should in reality be 4080.
Nvidia is really deceptive and I hate that part of the way they are doing their business.
What do you think would change if they put an “M” next to it? People would say it’s too expensive for an M? Or that they will wait for the non-M version in a laptop? Or they would buy the desktop because then they will know for sure it’s not the same?
You think if the laptop was the same price, and had the same chip, but was called 4080M, people would say it’s too expensive and refuse to pay? In case you didn’t notice, they are saying this right now with a 4090 on the label 😅
So Nvidia’s grand evil plan was to inflate the numbers of 4090s in the stram survey, by selling a bunch of overpriced luxury gaming laptops! 😂what a brilliant move, 400 IQ, at least!
@ZratP - this^^^ comment is exactly what we needed!
and may I remind you for the 3xxx laptop chips, the wattage actually matters A LOT. 95W vs 120W variants can differ a lot in performance, and NVIDIA didn't even bother baking the naming on the chip, or even standardizing it's power usage to AIBs. Nvidia's laptop naming is either dumb, or just straight up evil.
If what you said is true, then that's straight-up misrepresentation (saying or advertising something is X when it is clearly Y especially when it's lower performance/value and there are clear ways to discern the two), which is illegal and sue-worthy.
Its only a crazy price if you pay it. But then here i was thinking i paid a crazy amount (2.2k) for my x17 with 3070 .. seems cheap now and totally happy with it
Thanks for being the only blogger who explained about delayed frame to get that dlss 3
Please include a frequency analysis of the speakers of the Blade 16 in your in-depth-review! It would be nice to see it compared to the MacBook speakers.
I'm actually ok with the laptop being chonky for more dest dispersion. That's what I look for only gaming laptops. Which is why I went with Alienware. Looking forward to your review of the Alienware M18.
I have really high hopes for the new Zephyrus M16. Both RAM modules are user replaceable, and they seem to have perfected the hardware. I really hope they don’t go this crazy with the pricing
i have the g15 and i must say not being able to replace one ram module is really frustrating but i think the m16 will be pricey
3400 euro spain
4300 euro rtx 4090 we pay high taxes tho
I think Scar 16 is worth more than M16, price: €3999, unlimited TDP vs M16 (175Wvs 145W)
@@bloodydawn scar 18 is the pc of the year seriosly ,in spain 4080 3300 euro hoping for lower price at 2400 euro i will instabuy
do you look into laptops outside of the gaming sphere that are more effective at video editing, etc.?
i don't really know anything about those--it makes sense these would be becoming more of a thing for more consumers
Just noticed that he starts all his videos by saying "Alright"; Love it
4090 is chonky boi... Yes, I'm talking about the price... 😆
LMFAO
💀
I can't even imagine what amount of coding goes into the technology of DLSS 3 to be able to generate artificial frames by taking data from the original game code. How the integration even works I am really amazed.
I think this is the wrong approach to achieve high framerstes, they probably sunk a bunch of money into it, and this could be a big reason why the new cards are so expensive. Or they think this will have such added value to gamers, that they will pay for it through the nose. The marketing sounds a bit like those “MP3 restorers”, which supposedly analyze and add the missing high frequency information 🤔 i know you can at least see it, like you can see interpolated frames on a tv that claims 400Hz interpolated framerate, but it is still fake, and your brain knows it
@@HNedel yeah but it's still mind-boggling to me how a video card technology can generate new frames from original game code. It's almost like getting a backdoor access to the source code and replicate itself!
I love your presentation style!
Been waiting for this
You’ve undersold DLSS 1/2 as they had both a positive impact on frames as well as reducing input latency. DLSS 3 has a negligible effect on input latency so whilst it may look smoother it may not feel much smoother
Another thing to comment on is that the 4090 laptop is NOT the same chip as the desktop version. It is actually a 4080. Same goes for the other Gpus, the 4080 is not the same as the desktop 4080, it shares more similarities with the 4070, because even the 4070ti beats it. The downgrade from 16gb (3080ti) to 12gb (4080) already tells us that they just named all of it wrong, just to charge more.
Hey Dave, any chance you planning to do a full review on this blade 16 4090 model?
Would your input on the product in general as opposed to just performance results.
Thanks a lot and Cheers!
would you recommend or do video about some great 4060 laptop? I can't effort 4070 or more but 4060 or 7600 are in my budget, it would be nice if you do a video on it.
My interpretation is this, it gets more graphics performance than a desktop 3090ti, that has a tdp of 450w, the mobile 4090 has a tdp of 175w, thats about 2.57x energy efficiency at least, so what I think Nvidia did was basically round these numbers then not down but up, getting you to the 3x thats the presented in the slide.
Was planning to buy the 4080 but the price is staggering difference between other laptops. Pls do review on the alienware as well, have heard that the launch pricing are at decent range.
If you want ultra realistic graphics, save the kidney and go touch grass.
@@firstNamelastName-ho6lv lmfaoooo
hey dave, i would love to see a room tour. especially that fishtank :)
how much would a similarly specced desktop cost? was always wondering that
Concerning DLSS, FSR and similar technologies; using a 4090 or some high end GPU might make the tech look a bit useless or unimpressive, but a laptop with a 3050 for example that might only be capable of running some games at 1080p medium might be able to push the settings a bit higher or gain some extra frames for a overall better experience.
DLSS is exclusive for the RTX series sadly but FSR and XESS (Intel's version) is more open, and it made the new COD playable on my GTX1650 laptop, otherwise unless I heavily drop the settings and resolution its a powerpoint slideshow, A friend of mine is able to enjoy Overwatch 2 with a 4th gen intel CPU and a GTX750 thanks to FSR as well!
I can see how upscalling 4K to 8K might be stupid, but 720p to 1080p for example on lower end systems is quite the boost.
You are right.
The pricing is nasty for sure. I mean its nasty. But even a year ago no one ever thought we would see a gaming laptop out perorm a 3080ti desktop. It was unthinkable and i honestly didnt expect it to happen for awhile. But To have a device that you can take anywhere with you that out performs a beast like the 30 series desktops is just amazing and im so glad for it. I mean thats just so awesome dude.
It's mind boggling that a mobile gpu outperforms a desktop gpu which still is quite beast. But you pay for it big time
@@RomboutVersluijs You really do. The pricing should be at around 3000 honestly. I really wish we saw some mini leds or oleds on the 18 in variants. That's a bit disappointing. I'm honestly thinking I'll get one of the 16 in versions with the mini led once the price drops down in the 3000s
30% gains aren’t anything to write home about. 2024 will be a better year for upgrading once we can get this power at an affordable price.
@@defyyourlogic487 there always by newer hardware, by that time perhaps again an improvement
@@RomboutVersluijs We aren’t going to see a jump like this until the 50 series likely by early 2025, hence next year will be the best time to purchase a 4080/4090 when historically the ti refresh comes along being a negligible jump at best, and prices will likely be at least 25% cheaper for these models.
I even looked into upgrading myself and for what I paid for a 3080ti blade 15, I’d barely get into a 4070 this time around. Negligible gains there, yet pricing is following that of 80 series GPUs from previous.
Hey Dave, what's the news on the updated thickness of the new laptop in terms of its cooling capabilities? My 2019 Razer runs horribly hot.
I'm not Dave but I checked a verge review on the blade 16 a few hours. You should check it out. (sorry didn't get a link) Spoiler alert: it's hot!
I have been in the market for a gaming laptop for a while, as I have to travel immensely for work. I prioritise portability as I also need to bring my work laptop (sometimes 2), so I decided to buy the blade 14 last year. Decided to return it shortly after as I wasn't comfortable about the price I paid for it.
Instead, you can buy a much cheaper laptop or tablet, much more portable, convenient with good battery, and simply use a stream-based Windows or gaming service. Get a Samsung tablet and connect to your desktop remotely instead if you don't want to pay a subscription.
Laptops at those prices aren't justifiable.
It’s going to be interesting to see if the entry and mid level GPUs also have a 30-40% performance & efficiency bump over last year’s 3000 series and what the
price increases for those will be. Despite widespread shortages of both chips and laptops at the start of 2022, there were still plenty of bargains to be had at the end of the year. I’m wondering if that will be even more the case this year. Peeps might be wise to delay purchasing a bit if they can.
I think you really undersold DLSS 2.0 for laptops. DLSS quality, even at 1080p, looks awesome, considering how bad some TAA solutions are in some games, it can be pretty darn equivalent to native. DLSS, even at quality, has a profound uplift on framerate, since you’re rendering half the pixels at that point.
agreed. My first RTX card was a 2070 mobile in a laptop and the performance was great, but DLSS allowed me to enjoy games like Control with most Ray Tracing effects on, while using it's 1080p screen or connected to my 4K monitor.
I think he felt into the common trap of actually knowing the internal resolution and pre judging it. Like, once you know how bad 720p can look, you either not even try it, or you approach it with such a negative reaction, you don’t let yourself be impressed by the tech.
Dlss 2 is legit usefull in laptops , because it looks much better than dropping game resolution i have tried far cry 6 with fsr which is worse than dlss even that still give much better than 720p resolution, worst of all i remember playing fortnite with dlss 2 performance settings it still looks way better than any other games at native resolution without anti aliasing
Agreed! DLSS 2 avoids a lot of the motion smear of TAA and can allow you to extend battery life compared to native if you cap at a given fps.
I am happy you are reviewing one the laptops that I am looking at, because I am already a razer customer, but I have no idea what is the difference between QHD and Mini-Led displays they have. I would appreciate your review and view on it.
What would be your recommendation for a 2-in-1 with integrated GPU, replaceable memory, and spare m.2?
They want 5 grand for artificial frames?! Yea the pricing for some of the tech this year is absolutely crazy. I normally try to upgrade my gaming laptop once every three years but it looks like I will be doing it every ten years if prices continue to trend in this direction.
Got an Asus Zephyrus G14 with an AMD 6900 CPU and 6800 GPU from Best Buy for $1050 a couple weeks ago. That $4,300 price tag is INSANE. I'll stick with upper tier previous gen hardware, and just ignore the Ray Tracing sliders like I've done my entire life. That 6800S GPU gives great performance on a 1440p screen. Holy cow these new generation laptops are gonna be bonkers
Dave is that actually your study in the background, or a CG backdrop?
I sear I thought zadig was disappearing, love to see it! also cool video lol
i think for low end laptops, DLSS is very helpful. I used to play cyberpunk with my 3050 and it has been very helpful
That is mind-blowing. Those time-spy scores are better than nearly every top-tier, last-gen DESKTOP GPU. In a laptop.
At this point it's getting a bit silly, because this means that if you're sitting on anything other than literally the top-tier GPUs of last gen you're going to get a massive upgrade, in spite of this being a laptop.
Last summer I got my Zephyrus G14 with the RX 6800S for around ~1250 euros on sale. It sits roughly between the Nvidia's lower TDP models of the 3070m and the higher tdp ones. To get the same bracket of performance this gen it will set me off 2500 euros easily. They can f off.
Dave will you show us the new galaxy laptops 3?
wow I can't believe a 4090 with 16 thousand cores and 24 gigs of GDDR6X memory is finally in laptops! Thanks for the video Dave, very informative!
4090 Laptop GPU is actually 4080 Desktop GPU power limited. It has 9728 CUDA Cores with slower GDDR6 memory.
@@satyamsharma8369 yeah I know, that was sarcasm given the video's name. According to the video name, this is a real 4090.
4090 at 16gb Vram.. not 24
@@TabalugaDragon not really dunno how u got that. he says razerblade 16 - rtx 4090 performance. he is showing us rtx 4090 performance on the blade 16. not misinformative at all
@@atiagooqkinguliaalu4027 and just over 9 thousand cores, not 16 thousand. Now tell that to Dave, please.
Dave loves to review laptops than phones and tablets...I can feel the urge in him to bring the best review out of every laptop that comes on board.
Hey dev? Nice hoodie. From where can I buy it?
Love your honesty man
That's WHY I watch your videos. You're BRUTALLY HONEST about the products you review. I totally agree with your assessment that the 40 Series GPU laptops are WAY OVERPRICED!!!! It's Ridiculous!!! $4300 for a spec'd-out Razer Blade 16"???? HEY, that's Apple Territory!!!! The Razer Blade 18 must be hitting DAM NEAR $4600 - $5000, WTF????
I really want to see the 4090 at 120W in the G14. The most exiting GPU however might be the 4050 for me. Early leaks of the 35W variant put it above a high power 3050ti and very close to a 65W RTX 3060. What's so cool about this? 35W 4050 should be capable of rocking every AAA game you toss at it at high/max settings 1080p/60FPS no problems. Add DLSS3.0 and FG to it and you basically can make any ultra thin laptop a capable gaming power house. Now THAT is a GPU worth celebrating and it's only the entry level.
Exactly, laptops should be portable and affordable. Give me somethings that's small, quiet, and stays cool but can still run games at 1080p decently.
A massive laptop with a 4090 is just dumb. It's huge, it's heavy, it's comically expensive, it's a space heater, and it probably sounds like a jet engine.
And for what? 4k performance? 1080p or 1440p are both great resolutions for gaming on a laptop screen. It you're plugging in to an external monitor then its just time to build a desktop rather than spend $4k on a laptop that will have worse performance than a cheaper PC.
@Dave2D what about the 18inch? Isn't it coming again?
Was hoping for some kind of statement on the cooling performance. Is this thing going to be able to cook my pizza rolls on the keyboard? Deciding between the 16 and 18 for me would boil down to how hot the 16 runs.
Yes, monster pricing. 😳
OnePlus 11? Naa I want the Razer Blade 16 🔥 not joking seriously been waiting for new gen laptop review ❤️🔥
The dream of owning one computer to do everything is just about here. DLSS on a laptop with a high end GPU make it a legitimately useful device to drive a desktop 1440P display. The blade 16 in particular makes a very solid case for itself in this regard because it is thin and light enough to be genuinely useful as a laptop when you are away from the desk and the wall but it is as fast as last gen gaming desktops when you connect it to power. Yes, the price is horrendously high but a two computer setup from last gen to give you the same balance of performance and portability would have cost even more. The simplicity of only requiring one computer is also worth it to a lot of buyers.
Thanks for the video
Prices this year are insane, I picked up a 3070ti TUF laptop for 999£ recently, no regrets…. Perhaps AMD will bring frame generation to the masses later this year too…
This year , I wish we see more of competitively priced value for money laptops like m1 MacBook or asus vivobook s15 oled and even the new infinix laptop with i9 processor . Laptops are getting way too expensive along with lesser no. of useful ports all in the name of asthetics and slimness
I was fortunate to buy a new laptop on Black Friday this year, i7 12700h, 3070ti. 4K color calibrated OLED with 2gb gen 4 ssd. For only $1300. Gonna be using this thing for awhile as the new laptop prices are disgusting
@@anonym5510 Damn that's a steal especially rtx 3070ti , is it Lenovo Legion 7 pro ?
@@keerthan7558 It’s a gigabyte Aero. Absolutely love the thing. It has a very minimal design and perfect for my editing because of the gorgeous 4K oled. But also great for playing games when I’m in the mood. Hook it up to my 1440p monitor and play all my games. Runs everything great!
@@anonym5510 oh never heard of that manufacturer before , even that laptop is overpriced here, it costs 1k usd more 😭( not that i need it anyways)
@@keerthan7558 Never heard of Gigabyte? They are a fairly large brand, make gpus and lots of parts. The aero is their creator/gaming laptop. Got it at such a good price I couldn’t say no!
Awesome video as always.
Can you make a review of EliteBook 865 G9 Dave?
I alloted $4000 for a gaming laptop, after watching some videos, ended up buying 14" MBP M1 Pro base, and built my own gaming PC.
Smart guy
smart choice
This is exactly what I tell people to do. Gaming laptops are so useless.
@@vujhvjvgvfujk9888 like your future
That shits expensive as hell💀
Dave, please help me with your opinion of the best 4090 laptops overall, important are display quality, low temperatures, and less noisy. I know the performance will be similar.: Razor 16, Strix scar 16 or Zephirus M16? Thanks
I think dlss is awesome for laptops because it allows you to run at ultra high settings with very little compromise on graphics and frame rate.
Having the Razer 4K OLED still from two years ago. I’ve used DLSS when I can. Truly can’t imagine playing games on 1080p. I tried playing red dead on a 1080p monitor and had to stop and am waiting for my 2k monitor to play it on a bigger screen until then I’ll play on my 15.6 inch screen
Full review on the Blade 16 please ! :)
How the blade 16's performance for HDR content creating? especially compared to M1/2 macbook pro.
Why did the TimeSpy graphics score change so much between the Titan and Blade 16? That does not make sense. If both are pulling 175W in Timespy, then the Timespy graphics score should be the similar. Did he check the clock speed? Wattage pulled? Maybe drivers were messed up on the Blade 16?
I am guessing Dave2D used the base Timespy score, not the GPU specific score-because the Timespy CPU score should be higher on the GT77 than on the Blade 16 and this would affect the overall Timespy score. Another possible explanation is that MSI actually overclocked their GPU to go above 175W… or another possible explanation… the Blade 16 didn’t actually maintain 175W of power through the tests. Something is up.
Dave2D claims a 30-40% bump in performance from a generational perspective, but he is comparing the fastest RTX 3080 TI laptop with a Blade 16.
Why did he not compare a Titan vs Titan? Comparing generational performance gaps requires two equally high end laptops if you want the data to be accurate. Other reviewers are seeing at 58% performance uplift generation to generation.
That intro sound effect was INSANE
Thanks for your honest, Dave. I agree with what you've stated.
Would love to see a comparison with a 200watt 2080 super.... i have a Alienware area51M R2 and still use it.
if you can get hand on the 4070, please do a review on it! wanted to know your thoughts before making the decision!
I love your hoodie so much... anywhere i can get it?
I think people that play shooters usually have the graphics dialed down significantly for better performance so it really doesn’t matter if they add another 50 fps on top of already 200fps. But for us casuals, this is awesome because better looks and smoother pictures.
Hello!! Could someone answer me a question: Would you recommend buying Razer Core X Chroma in 2023? Does its PSU fit 4000 series GPUs?
Excited for blade One8 too
Dave's videos are one of those videos that I like before watching... 😅
Hey Dave , can you review the 2023 ROG G22CH , its fits your favorite topic of Mini desktop Chassis
Thank you for this.
Dave always speaks for us ❤
Hey Dave! please start dropping link of your hoodies and shirts in the description.....pleasee
When will you review the razer 18?
It’s insane how far PC hardware has come the past 5 years, every year blows the previous year out of the water
For checking power efficiency, disable grame Gen, lock fps and use Hwinfo.