Another great video: 1. My grandson purchased the same double bend shaft putter at a PGA Superstore for a great price - I think it was a clearance item - he was using it for a while and kept missing putts to the right - I tried the putter and it just looked weird and felt unusual - the face was open at address and the toe of the putter was up - I was surprised he could sink any putts - your video solved the mystery as I believe the problem is that the shaft was not originally installed properly and hence the reason the putter was heavily discounted - I'm going to try and contact the manufacturer to see if they are willing to repair or replace - he does not have the original receipt - not many young people save receipts like us old folk. If not I most likely will try to repair myself using your video as a guide. 2. I have an old Cobra Melbourne II putter, which has a milled 6061 soft alloy aluminum insert, which I purchased from Play-it-Again Sports. The putter is in really good condition but has a clicky sound when the golf ball is struck. One of my playing partners asked if the insert was loose - it was not but made me believe that parts of the insert is delaminated from the putter body. Maybe the clicky sound is normal for an aluminum insert type putter. I searched for a video to determine how to repair. I did find one video that puts the putter in boiling water to remove a soft insert, but with the insert being aluminum, I'm wondering if heating the putter with the torch would soften the adhesive enough to remove and then I would only need to replace the insert using the two-part epoxy. The challenge is removing the insert without damaging it. Any suggestions? Thanks.
Yes, two different methods. The first being just bending the shaft. This is old school club making, but you can just stand on the head and gently work the shaft in the direction you want. Need to be a little gentle so you don't kink the shaft. Other method is dependent on the shaft attaching to the head with a stem instead of insertion into the head. If you have a stem on the putter head, you can use a bending bar and bend the stem under the shaft.
@@EFGMC ... cool, reason I ask is, had a recent fitting, and took my trusted club, a 7irn, that I have no yips about, and they tested the frequency at 288. Tested with them and they had me in a p790 dg s 105 at 311. Bought a 105 from gwrks, and it didn't fair so well for me as at the fitting, obviously I struck out on the frequency. I feel I'm anywhere between 290-300. O by they way, where did you get your freq machine from. Plus what's your location, do you service.
@@kingshark5938 I will give you my take on CPM measurements. I use my Freq Meter in my videos to demonstrate some specific results from certain club building choices. I also use it to measure radial consistency of shafts. However, I don't use it for fitting purposes. I just don't think it has much value for most people, especially compared to other fitting variables like weight, balance, length, bend profile, etc. CPMs move around so much because of changes in these other aspects, that it's hard to put too much value in those numbers. To answer your questions, the meter is a Club Scout 3 (I think, maybe 4). I am not sure you can still get them new. When I bought mine, the owner told me he was not doing too many more. Pretty much all Freq meters are the same though, pretty basic machine, even though they may have some different bells/whistles. I am in Atlanta, and do some club work for friends and some college golfers.
@@kingshark5938 Understand why they say that, early release can't load the stiffer bending shafts because the speed and angles are lower earlier in the down swing. However, an early release usually means the shaft has already flexed and released before you get to the ball so any difference in bend profile will be minimal at best. So put these things together and what I come away with is just finding the shaft profile that feels good in your hands and allows you to make your most repeatable swing. I always go back to weight in the end though. Weight is the most important shaft spec.
Great video! 2 questions: 1: Does heating leave discoloration to the shaft? I have a black painted metal shaft and don't want to damage the paint. 2: did you check the head toe-hang before letting the epoxy set? The club in your vid I think is meant to be zero toe hang...rotating that shaft may induce toe or heel hang. Thanks!
If you use lower heat and keep it moving, you should not have any damage to the paint. As far as toe hang, I didn't measure it because I know how that putter is supposed to sit at address. The correct neutral shaft position will result in a face balanced putter.
I find I have the same problem with a putter I bought used. On this putter the loft is to 4.9 degrees instead of 3 degrees. After seeing your video I now have an Idea how to fix this, but what I don't know is your final result, was the loft some what higher or still off, did you have to take the grip off and reinstall, just put a new grip on it. I do work on my own clubs as I have most of the necessary equipment, I just have never worked on or installed a double bend shafted putter. So did you get the 3 degrees you wanted or have to do it over again. Life is easy compared to golf, and of course working on the darn golf clubs. Thanks for any reply, love your videos and tips on club making and repair, they have helped me over time.
Awesome video. Very helpful. I have the stroke lab 7 and I need a longer shaft. Instead of extensions I was thinking of just installing a new shaft myself. Not too crazy about the bender shafts either. Do you have any advice for installing a straight shaft, I figured it would work fine because the tip on the head of the putter is slanted and might be beneficial for my putting.
I believe it's because the shaft does not connect to the head at a perfect 90 degree angle so a shaft on a stem head would show some gapping on one side. The ferrule results in a cleaner look. I've never been told this is the case, but from many years of experience I think it's correct.
Hi AJ , I have the same backward leaning shaft kn my left handed Scotty Cameron Select Golo mallet. There is no ferrule and I think it is a single bend shaft. Do you know if this putter head has a stem as well And can I do the same repair? Thanks.
Not sure. Get some sort of metal bar or tool and tap against the shaft down by the head and then an inch up. If it sounds different, probably a stem is there.
What price range does Loft and Lie machine or stand (like the one in the back ground) cost. I’m wanting, Have Been wanting,,, to start fixing and tinkering w customization of clubs what would you say the few most important tools would be to start.? Thanks in advance for any information K Sp8
These are .370 because they need the parallel section to sit flush when installed over the head stem. As a general rule, putters with a stem will always be .370, putters with a hosel could go either way.
Original grip had to go since it was basically straight when the shaft was misaligned. These grips are very difficult to save, but Callaway kindly sent me a new grip to install.
I got a custom Spider tour with the double bend shaft and when I got it I felt like the shaft felt too far behind the putter instead of straight up and down. How can I check at home to see if my shaft it bent incorrectly?
I would just set the shaft as close as you can to perpendicular (ie no forward or backward shaft lean) and see what the face looks like. Does it appear to have a few degrees of loft or does in look completely flat or even negative lofted. That would be the indication the shaft is leaning back. But honestly it doesn't matter if it is or isn't, if you perceive it to be, then I would adjust it.
I wished you would of show us a before and after picture to compare (side-by-side) the difference. Why didn’t you use your putter loft/lie angle checker as a jig vs just eyeing it and letting it cure free standing?
That would be a good idea. Never even thought about using the loft/lie in that way. Figuring most people probably don't have that piece of equipment though, it's not hard to align the shaft based off the face. If you can install a putter grip straight, you can align a double bend shaft. The fit was plenty snug so it didn't require any additional bracing.
I have an odyssey putter with a white insert. The insert is very worn and peeling. Is there a way to repair or replace the insert? It's an odyssey white hot xg #1. Thanks for any advice!!! Tim
@@EFGMC I did call Callaway, they told me they did not have replacement inserts. If you have any ideas on how I could even things out, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
you think i could put this shaft into my ER6 evnroll ? i always thought a double bend shaft was made to be center shaft in a putter but made this shaft so you could see the alignments on putters.I always used a double been oddesey but i research for best modern putter an the ER6 has the best tech but dont offer a double bend shaft
if i have to heat the head may mess up paint job but it will be ok i got all the paints an sprayer i can custom paint it i was anyway with the callaway 3 line ball marker i use bridgestone balls...saying i think the shaft goes right down in the head it dont have that ring on it...i got golfworks lie angle to hold it in the right spot i just never did putter shaft
Would mainly depend how the hosel or stem (not sure how the ER6 attaches) is oriented. A stem of course could always be bent to get the shaft angle correct, a plain hole would require possibly bending the shaft if not set at the same angle. Only other issue would be making sure the shaft diameter is the same as the hosel bore in the ER6. I think all the Odysseys are .370??
@@EFGMC - The .370 refers to the outside diameter, correct? However, shafts that fit over the stem, as in the case with the Putter in this video, are they sold by the outside diameter or the inside diameter? Taylormade itsy bitsy Spider putter stem measures at .323, the shaft itself has a outside diameter of .370, so, are those Putter shafts that fit over a stem sold by the outside diameter or the inside diameter?
@@Concern_Citizen They should all be 370 as best I know. Would not use a taper shaft as the taper would cause the stem to wiggle inside the hosel. Only other option would be a flared tip shaft but that would be obvious upon first glance if it was that kind of shaft (like a Bullseye or similar).
Are you wanting to weld a plumbers neck stem onto the existing head? Having a hard time picturing how it will work. Would need more info as to what exact putter you are using and your plan for it. They did make plumbers neck versions of some of the 2 ball lines also. Might be easier to get what you want that way.
A friend got excited with his chip shot and jumped around and accidentally snapped my PXG Drone putter at the head (shaft intact but snapped it off of the putter stem head) when he landed on it. 3/4 of the stem is in the shaft and maybe just a millimeter is sticking out of the head. Ughhhhh can you help?
You should have left the putter the way it was because less loft is better and slightly upright also. I don't know why people think they need three degrees of Loft when you're putting. I'm not chipping the ball I'm putting it along the ground. I use a zero loft on my Putters and the ball just rolls perfectly the moment I hit them
Hang on I paused it at 19 sec… let me guess what the problem is… they used a standard double bend putter shaft that’s supposed to go into a 90° bore hole --- and that’s an odyssey putter head with a 70something degree borehole… So then your shaft and putter head are all messed up in the end… But can you fix it by bending the shaft before or after it’s in? Cuz this is the problem I’m having right now, it’s like impossible to find any odyssey specific parts…
If you have to use a non Odyssey shaft, easiest way to fix is pull the shaft and then bend the stem to where you need it. Can also try and bend it with shaft attached but personally think that method is harder.
This one actually came from Callaway Pre Owned and they were more than willing to replace it. I just chose to repair it myself. They did send me a new grip also.
i went checked all my double bend shaft everyone single one shafts sits back not one stands straight up an down if they did you wouldnt be able see the line cause hands would be in the way
It's less about if they sit back, it's more if they sit back in relation to the loft. If the shaft is brought back to perpendicular and the loft drops to 1 degree or less, that's a problem.
First reason is I don't keep a putter bending machine in the shop. But even if I did, for this type of adjustment, I would still just pull the shaft and reset. Bending the stem on these kinds of putters can be risky when trying to get more than 1 degree and bending the shaft can lead to kinks or ripples in the metal.
Great info. I'm thinking of changing my Odyssey XG Sabretooth from a double bend to a single bend shaft, this should help. Cheers 👍🏻🙂
Sounds like a good experiment!
Another great video: 1. My grandson purchased the same double bend shaft putter at a PGA Superstore for a great price - I think it was a clearance item - he was using it for a while and kept missing putts to the right - I tried the putter and it just looked weird and felt unusual - the face was open at address and the toe of the putter was up - I was surprised he could sink any putts - your video solved the mystery as I believe the problem is that the shaft was not originally installed properly and hence the reason the putter was heavily discounted - I'm going to try and contact the manufacturer to see if they are willing to repair or replace - he does not have the original receipt - not many young people save receipts like us old folk. If not I most likely will try to repair myself using your video as a guide. 2. I have an old Cobra Melbourne II putter, which has a milled 6061 soft alloy aluminum insert, which I purchased from Play-it-Again Sports. The putter is in really good condition but has a clicky sound when the golf ball is struck. One of my playing partners asked if the insert was loose - it was not but made me believe that parts of the insert is delaminated from the putter body. Maybe the clicky sound is normal for an aluminum insert type putter. I searched for a video to determine how to repair. I did find one video that puts the putter in boiling water to remove a soft insert, but with the insert being aluminum, I'm wondering if heating the putter with the torch would soften the adhesive enough to remove and then I would only need to replace the insert using the two-part epoxy. The challenge is removing the insert without damaging it. Any suggestions? Thanks.
I haven't tried to pull an insert. That is something I would defer to the manufacturer about. If they agree to do it and mess it up, it's on them.
Great vlog AJ, now do a episode on replacing a screen on the Works Odyssey Fang two ball. It keeps coming off. Any recomendations?
Good work sir, nice machete. Lol
Good and informative video. Can you make the lie angle of a double bend shaft more upright?
Yes, two different methods. The first being just bending the shaft. This is old school club making, but you can just stand on the head and gently work the shaft in the direction you want. Need to be a little gentle so you don't kink the shaft. Other method is dependent on the shaft attaching to the head with a stem instead of insertion into the head. If you have a stem on the putter head, you can use a bending bar and bend the stem under the shaft.
Would like to see a hard vs soft step iron shaft vid. Good channel, not many are explaining the specs of the game. Keep up the good work.
Thanks. I have got a list of video ideas I hope to tackle but I am always looking for more. Shaft stepping would be a good one. Stay tuned!
@@EFGMC ... cool, reason I ask is, had a recent fitting, and took my trusted club, a 7irn, that I have no yips about, and they tested the frequency at 288.
Tested with them and they had me in a p790 dg s 105 at 311. Bought a 105 from gwrks, and it didn't fair so well for me as at the fitting, obviously I struck out on the frequency.
I feel I'm anywhere between 290-300.
O by they way, where did you get your freq machine from. Plus what's your location, do you service.
@@EFGMC .. plus, any recommendations for a moderate, early release type guy. Researching and findings say, soft tip is the way to go.
@@kingshark5938 I will give you my take on CPM measurements. I use my Freq Meter in my videos to demonstrate some specific results from certain club building choices. I also use it to measure radial consistency of shafts. However, I don't use it for fitting purposes. I just don't think it has much value for most people, especially compared to other fitting variables like weight, balance, length, bend profile, etc. CPMs move around so much because of changes in these other aspects, that it's hard to put too much value in those numbers.
To answer your questions, the meter is a Club Scout 3 (I think, maybe 4). I am not sure you can still get them new. When I bought mine, the owner told me he was not doing too many more. Pretty much all Freq meters are the same though, pretty basic machine, even though they may have some different bells/whistles.
I am in Atlanta, and do some club work for friends and some college golfers.
@@kingshark5938 Understand why they say that, early release can't load the stiffer bending shafts because the speed and angles are lower earlier in the down swing. However, an early release usually means the shaft has already flexed and released before you get to the ball so any difference in bend profile will be minimal at best.
So put these things together and what I come away with is just finding the shaft profile that feels good in your hands and allows you to make your most repeatable swing. I always go back to weight in the end though. Weight is the most important shaft spec.
Great video! 2 questions: 1: Does heating leave discoloration to the shaft? I have a black painted metal shaft and don't want to damage the paint. 2: did you check the head toe-hang before letting the epoxy set? The club in your vid I think is meant to be zero toe hang...rotating that shaft may induce toe or heel hang. Thanks!
If you use lower heat and keep it moving, you should not have any damage to the paint.
As far as toe hang, I didn't measure it because I know how that putter is supposed to sit at address. The correct neutral shaft position will result in a face balanced putter.
I find I have the same problem with a putter I bought used. On this putter the loft is to 4.9 degrees instead of 3 degrees. After seeing your video I now have an Idea how to fix this, but what I don't know is your final result, was the loft some what higher or still off, did you have to take the grip off and reinstall, just put a new grip on it. I do work on my own clubs as I have most of the necessary equipment, I just have never worked on or installed a double bend shafted putter. So did you get the 3 degrees you wanted or have to do it over again. Life is easy compared to golf, and of course working on the darn golf clubs. Thanks for any reply, love your videos and tips on club making and repair, they have helped me over time.
Had to use a new grip after reinstalling.
Awesome video. Very helpful. I have the stroke lab 7 and I need a longer shaft. Instead of extensions I was thinking of just installing a new shaft myself. Not too crazy about the bender shafts either. Do you have any advice for installing a straight shaft, I figured it would work fine because the tip on the head of the putter is slanted and might be beneficial for my putting.
I would dry fit it first and see how the angles look. Easier to bend the stem without the shaft attached in you need to.
We have a friend that likes to slam his clubs on the ground after a bad shot.
My quip to him is always "adjusting the lie angle?"
gpod information, thanks
Thanks for watching!
Hello! What is the little ferrule they use for those double bend shafts? I have an original white hot 2 ball putter and I’m curious. Thanks!
I believe it's because the shaft does not connect to the head at a perfect 90 degree angle so a shaft on a stem head would show some gapping on one side. The ferrule results in a cleaner look.
I've never been told this is the case, but from many years of experience I think it's correct.
Hi AJ , I have the same backward leaning shaft kn my left handed Scotty Cameron Select Golo mallet. There is no ferrule and I think it is a single bend shaft. Do you know if this putter head has a stem as well
And can I do the same repair? Thanks.
Not sure. Get some sort of metal bar or tool and tap against the shaft down by the head and then an inch up. If it sounds different, probably a stem is there.
What price range does Loft and Lie machine or stand (like the one in the back ground) cost. I’m wanting, Have Been wanting,,, to start fixing and tinkering w customization of clubs what would you say the few most important tools would be to start.?
Thanks in advance for any information
K Sp8
That one was $700 plus cost of the stand.
Useful information, this might come in handy.
Hope that putter has plenty of birdies left in it for you. Cheers.
Nope it didn't. Occasionally convince myself that I like mallet style putters, 18 holes later I realize yet again that I don't!
AJ, have you ever replaced the plastic insert with a milled one?
I haven't ever tried that. Above my pay grade!
What type of epoxy do you use for woods and irons?
I buy Golfworks Tour Strength Epoxy for most projects unless I need a faster time.
Do you know the tip size odyssey uses on these style of putters?
These are .370 because they need the parallel section to sit flush when installed over the head stem. As a general rule, putters with a stem will always be .370, putters with a hosel could go either way.
What about the grip now that you rotated the shaft?
Original grip had to go since it was basically straight when the shaft was misaligned. These grips are very difficult to save, but Callaway kindly sent me a new grip to install.
I got a custom Spider tour with the double bend shaft and when I got it I felt like the shaft felt too far behind the putter instead of straight up and down. How can I check at home to see if my shaft it bent incorrectly?
I would just set the shaft as close as you can to perpendicular (ie no forward or backward shaft lean) and see what the face looks like. Does it appear to have a few degrees of loft or does in look completely flat or even negative lofted. That would be the indication the shaft is leaning back.
But honestly it doesn't matter if it is or isn't, if you perceive it to be, then I would adjust it.
Does the shaft go inside of the ferrule or does the ferrule sit in between the shaft and the head?
That little ferrule is broken for my putter..
In the Odyssey, it sits as a spacer between the shaft and the stem base.
I wished you would of show us a before and after picture to compare (side-by-side) the difference. Why didn’t you use your putter loft/lie angle checker as a jig vs just eyeing it and letting it cure free standing?
That would be a good idea. Never even thought about using the loft/lie in that way.
Figuring most people probably don't have that piece of equipment though, it's not hard to align the shaft based off the face. If you can install a putter grip straight, you can align a double bend shaft. The fit was plenty snug so it didn't require any additional bracing.
I have an odyssey putter with a white insert. The insert is very worn and peeling. Is there a way to repair or replace the insert? It's an odyssey white hot xg #1. Thanks for any advice!!! Tim
I've never tried to replace one. Have you called Callaway about it? That would be my first move.
@@EFGMC I did call Callaway, they told me they did not have replacement inserts. If you have any ideas on how I could even things out, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
you think i could put this shaft into my ER6 evnroll ? i always thought a double bend shaft was made to be center shaft in a putter but made this shaft so you could see the alignments on putters.I always used a double been oddesey but i research for best modern putter an the ER6 has the best tech but dont offer a double bend shaft
if i have to heat the head may mess up paint job but it will be ok i got all the paints an sprayer i can custom paint it i was anyway with the callaway 3 line ball marker i use bridgestone balls...saying i think the shaft goes right down in the head it dont have that ring on it...i got golfworks lie angle to hold it in the right spot i just never did putter shaft
Would mainly depend how the hosel or stem (not sure how the ER6 attaches) is oriented. A stem of course could always be bent to get the shaft angle correct, a plain hole would require possibly bending the shaft if not set at the same angle. Only other issue would be making sure the shaft diameter is the same as the hosel bore in the ER6. I think all the Odysseys are .370??
Double bend shafts are not the best way ...its a fallacy...don't forward press...try using a straight in shaft if possible..
@@EFGMC - The .370 refers to the outside diameter, correct? However, shafts that fit over the stem, as in the case with the Putter in this video, are they sold by the outside diameter or the inside diameter? Taylormade itsy bitsy Spider putter stem measures at .323, the shaft itself has a outside diameter of .370, so, are those Putter shafts that fit over a stem sold by the outside diameter or the inside diameter?
@@Concern_Citizen They should all be 370 as best I know. Would not use a taper shaft as the taper would cause the stem to wiggle inside the hosel. Only other option would be a flared tip shaft but that would be obvious upon first glance if it was that kind of shaft (like a Bullseye or similar).
does TC at the beginning of the serial number indicate it is a tour issue?
Yes for Callaway.
I’m thinking of converting my 2 ball double bend to plumbers neck. Have you ever heard of that or tried it?
Are you wanting to weld a plumbers neck stem onto the existing head? Having a hard time picturing how it will work. Would need more info as to what exact putter you are using and your plan for it.
They did make plumbers neck versions of some of the 2 ball lines also. Might be easier to get what you want that way.
A friend got excited with his chip shot and jumped around and accidentally snapped my PXG Drone putter at the head (shaft intact but snapped it off of the putter stem head) when he landed on it. 3/4 of the stem is in the shaft and maybe just a millimeter is sticking out of the head. Ughhhhh can you help?
Email me a picture of it so I can see what we are dealing with. aj@smartstake.com
You should have left the putter the way it was because less loft is better and slightly upright also. I don't know why people think they need three degrees of Loft when you're putting. I'm not chipping the ball I'm putting it along the ground. I use a zero loft on my Putters and the ball just rolls perfectly the moment I hit them
Wont the grip be misaligned?
Maybe, depending on how the grip was install initially. Very likely you will need to put on a new grip if you have to rotate the shaft.
If i make my own putter by the R&A regulations, do I need to send it to the R&A before I can use it in competition?
Making the head?
Yes, I've been asked by a company to design a putter.
@@kenny7652 I would contact them for the process.
Hang on I paused it at 19 sec… let me guess what the problem is… they used a standard double bend putter shaft that’s supposed to go into a 90° bore hole --- and that’s an odyssey putter head with a 70something degree borehole…
So then your shaft and putter head are all messed up in the end…
But can you fix it by bending the shaft before or after it’s in? Cuz this is the problem I’m having right now, it’s like impossible to find any odyssey specific parts…
If you have to use a non Odyssey shaft, easiest way to fix is pull the shaft and then bend the stem to where you need it. Can also try and bend it with shaft attached but personally think that method is harder.
thats the thing of buying used clubs EBAY is the worse to getting broken clubs
This one actually came from Callaway Pre Owned and they were more than willing to replace it. I just chose to repair it myself. They did send me a new grip also.
i went checked all my double bend shaft everyone single one shafts sits back not one stands straight up an down if they did you wouldnt be able see the line cause hands would be in the way
It's less about if they sit back, it's more if they sit back in relation to the loft. If the shaft is brought back to perpendicular and the loft drops to 1 degree or less, that's a problem.
Why didn't you simply bend the putter shaft in a putter bending machine?
First reason is I don't keep a putter bending machine in the shop. But even if I did, for this type of adjustment, I would still just pull the shaft and reset. Bending the stem on these kinds of putters can be risky when trying to get more than 1 degree and bending the shaft can lead to kinks or ripples in the metal.
Am I the only one that noticed a machete ?
First rule of Mobile Clubmaker. Don't talk about the machete.