Why Did Ancient Sith Have Stronger Force Powers Than Modern Sith? - Sith History Explained
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The Non-Canon Expert explains why the ancient Sith, such as Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, Vitiate and Exar Kun, had stronger Force abilities than the modern Sith of Darth Plagueis's and Darth Sidious's era.
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Star Wars Reading Club They didn't. None of them had force powers like the Space-Time Continuum destroying Force Storm nor Force Imbuing Powers like what Vader, Sidious, Starkiller, and Shadow Guards had. Or at least to the degree and capability. Starkiller clone 11xx force imbued a macro cannon that was doing jack to a Imperial 1 Class SD, and made one shot blow it violently apart.
Star Wars Reading Club Oh and the Force Storm Sidious and technically Vader could use, besides destroying the fabric of space-time, says in the sith handbook that it is a star killer as well. But thats self explanatory since it destroys space-time.
Star Wars Reading Club Also we saw Vader to force allusions in SWTFU2.
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"why sith-millenials arent interested in dark side anymore" - Buzzfeed 2018
😂😂
How about how sith millennials are responsible for Applebee's slumping sales because they aren't going out to eat as much 😂🤣
Reason #6 will SHOCK you
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Zigrifid - Lord Momin of Buzzfeed
> Killed all sith and follow the rule of two
> Sith now a lot weaker than ancient sith
*pikachu face*
To be honest, the Jedi did a good job of hunting down sith artifacts, or any knowledge that may result in the reborn of the Sith of old.
@midgetydeath Cunning is what allowed palpatine to destroy the republic, I believe that competition allowed old sith to rule and grow so strong. In my opinion the rule of two is cool, but a very unsustainable way of ensuring the sith live on. Just look what happened to Vader and palpatine, I'm shocked the sith existed this long. I dont care how strong you are, all it takes is one shuttle accident and your fucked. People say that weaker sith would unite and defeat the stronger 1 man ruler, but I dont understand why this logic cant be reversed. Dictators in human history had enemies AND many friends in key positions to maintain their rule. There would be sith that want to overthrow the ruler so they can gain power, and there will be sith that want to keep the current ruler alive so they can ensure their own survival. Not every sith is the same.
Any apprentice who killed their master before they learned *everything* their master knew destroyed another portion of sith knowledge, and thus the sith lost a little more power.
@@Ironpancakemoose There was actually a similar point made in the comics by an Ancient Sith.
Rule of two was a mistake. Reducing whole order to just two people was a mistake. So what if Sheev gained control of the whole Galaxy, Vitiate's empire might have been smaller, but lasted way longer and it's remnants led to Darth Ruin and Sith Brotherhood as a revival.
Ancient Sith Lords are always my favorite topic in Star Wars.
One of my favorite from legends had to be Revan. Of course i do love learning about Thrawn as well. What can i say, i love characters who are tactical geniuses.
This is truly how the Sith are meant to be. Strong, unwavering, ever growing. The Strong shall rise, while the weak shall perish
+Darth Kookie Damn... You too?
Pokemonisboss1 as we see here, the sith do plenty of falling
@@sterbenstudios HE IS NOTHING HE IS NO JEDI HE HAS NO FORCE WITH HIM YOU FOOL AND HE IS NO SITH
Why Did Ancient Sith Have Stronger Force Powers Than Modern Sith? They had better writers
Yep
Oof
Also sith had to go through an extremely hard right of passage. They also kept their blood as pure as they could. Marrying for power both political and force wise. They would also adopt slaves with strong force powers if they could pass the passage. But, the most important fact, they were born to war. The sith empire was not only a warmongering empire who focused on mainly military and scientific might but had recently been kicked out of space and almost slaughtered by the republic. Those few who lived on were strong and survivors, that fed their hate for the republic like never before. The constant war against the republic to regain their territory and power would only keep increasing their hate and anger as the war went on.
That would breed the strongest siths as only the strongest would survive unlike the new sith where only the most manipulative and backstabbing of the sith survive.
Vader was one of a kind compared to new sith but his injuries would deny him from reaching his full potential. After all the force only flows through the living and Vader was mostly machine. He for example could never use force lighting lke sidius could.
Yeah
To all who say that the EU is stupid because of OP characters, I only have one thing to say: "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force".
Heir of the Sith So agreed with this.
I don’t disagree. But I don’t really agree either. That line meant that the Force could actually get results 100% of the time. Destroying a planet is just a kind of dumb idea that’ll create much more sympathy for your enemies. But another way of interpreting that line is that Vader meant the Force’s POTENTIAL power, or even the Force itself. The true potential of the Force is almost unlimited. You could move the entire galaxy if you had enough concentration and willpower. It’s just that the EU writers just tossed these insane powers around willy-nilly. Now when somebody lifts an X-Wing (which was a big deal back in the day), it’s underwhelming because we’ve seen Forceful beings do much crazier stuff all the time. Crushing a whole mountain was just sort of a regular thing that they could do. It kind of ruins the feeling of awe you got when you see stuff like the X-Wing floating out of the water. Sorry for the lengthy rant, I just wanted to get that out there.
@@a.morphous66 Perhaps, but it changes the context of that scene. Luke is amazed by something that is commonplace amongst powerful force users. It shows he really is just scratching the surface and it's the reason why Yoda treated it like it wasn't anything special.
Another one of those things that changes the context of the movie for a better story is when Vader learns Luke was his son. Vader hires Boba Fett to go after the one who destroyed the Death Star. Boba fails, but manages to tell Vader Luke's name. At that moment, every window on the Star Destroyer cracks as Vader realizes that Palpatine lied when he said that Vader killed Padme and thus loses all loyalty with him. Compare that to the reaction in Empire Strikes back, which is just a silent "Huh, neat." into a "Oh shit, I need to pretend I didn't know about it."
@@a.morphous66 Starkiller brought down a entire Star Destroyer
Heck yeah
Ahhh, the gods of old. Snoke was nothing compared to these lost legends.
KikBlava its called inconsistent writing
KikBlava snoke could one shot all of them though
Soldier_76 Snoke got cut in half like a lil bitch.
Max Fresquez yeah he did.
"My sides"
Soldier_76 no he couldn’t lmao. You just sound stupid. Snoke was weak, he got killed by Kylo Ren who was even weaker than him lmao
The reason is actually very simple, and it's also very much a part of their nature. Sith were very distrustful and despite taking an apprentice never truly wished for that apprentice to surpass them, and so would often keep their greatest secrets and powers hidden as long as possible. Their apprentices, on the other hand, were greedy selfish turds who would often kill their masters by treachery and deception rather than (as Bane believed would be the case) when they actually surpassed their master in ability and skill... Over generations this led to a degeneration in the skill set and abilities being passed on from one to the next. On rare occasion the apprentice did truly surpass their master in all ways and learned all their secrets, but this was overwhelmingly exceeded by how frequently the apprentice managed to kill the master while being completely inferior all the while. Each time an inferior apprentice became the new master, THEIR apprentice had even less of an actual obstacle to surmount when it came to killing them.....So while Bane's original concept, the Rule of Two, was devised with the intention of making each generation of Master being successively more powerful than the last, it really had the opposite effect.
I like where your minds at about this. Once they take an apprentice you can tell what they have learned and what their teaching is like through their apprentice. Apprentice gets to critique and carry on as well as finely tune their masters teachings. Also an insurance policy. If you're evil, you're probably gonna die. Then become a Gray Jedi + + situation. I like it.
😡But you're a Sith you can't learn Jedi stuff.
😶Force choke... Moving on. You're not my master anymore dude.
That's why they stopped the foreign exchange program and burned down the Library of Alexandria. Bunch of dudes in robes shooting lightning at each other.
😡You can't have the Jedi texts.
I just took the Scythians from them...😶So it begins... 📚.... Got em'. Ooh Brhamavad Gita. 😶Mine!
😶📚📚📚📚📚😁
I'm really surprised Palpatines apprentice didn't press charges. Oh wait Storm troopers are a push over and the same side.
Slaves are no greater than their master.
Weirdly Palpatine is often stated to be the most powerful Sith in history, even in official Star Wars media. Which he was powerful, but the ancient Sith were far superior.
William Parcell that’s what I was thinking
Thats because he is very flashy with his powers. He has the power but he lacks the skill, discipline and knowledge of the ancient sith don't get me wrong he was powerful but vitiate could mindcontrol hundreds of jedi and sith and then devour them hell he mindcontroled revan. And sure sidouse can make force storms but he can't control them while marka ragnos using sith alchemy made a crown that could casually produce and control then and he had gauntlets that could drain and seal away force abilities while his sceptre could give people force abilities. Naga sidaou could make physical force illusions across a galaxy and before I forget ragnos isn't dead his force ghost is still around and a threat
To understand the "WHY" is to understand the creator of Star Wars. George allowed the fan base to create stuff within the Star Wars Universe but he never looked at anything the EU created as official Cannon. Darth Sidious is the supreme Sith Lord end of discussion and to say otherwise is ignoring the very person who created the universe.
Well that's not canon
these ancient sith are not canon
The ancient Sith have always been one of my favourite topics. There is such a rich, fascinating history behind them, but at the same time, we really don't know enough. The return of Xim the Despot to the canon again gives me some measure of hope that characters like Marka Ragnos will also find their way back, and that Disney will explore these stories again in some years.
ImperialistOpinions fingers crossed!!!
ImperialistOpinions wait. Is he! The xim hutt war is my favourite era. Where did he return to canon?
I doubt it. Disney cares only for the profits gained by appealing to young audiences; it is a company built off of toys and cartoons. But in this instance, I would love to be proven wrong.
Peter Osborne He was mentioned in the The Last Jedi Visual Dictionary
ImperialistOpinions cool! I hope Disney just brings back some of the pre-film EU stories into canon then make more rather than try and remake the already existing EU material...
The Brotherhood of Darkness were little more than mere Dark Jedi compared to the ancient Sith.
Enters Darth Bane! the Rule of Two, one to embody the power, one to crave it.
...and the Jedi at the were ruling fiefs, little more than Light Lords. The force is always in balance.
@@ciresolstice that was Banes ultimate flaw. He understandably hated the political workings of the Sith Order, but two? Two?? Cmon now. Even a mistiming of usurping power would leave 1 newly crowned sith taking on how many jedi by themselves?
@@elijahnakumura4375 right! And what would happen if there was only 1 and there was a space accident…boom no more
Don't forget the Sith Empire during vitiate's time.
Some of the most powerful Sith spells required the participation of more than one Sith, Vitiate's ritual on Nathema, Kaan using the thought bomb, etc. Bane era Sith were reduced to two in number, thus limiting the Sith of that era to abilities performed by only one or two at the same time at most...
I love the lore of the old republic. I can never truly understand why Disney had to go and make them non canon since they have done nothing with the time line of this era. Disney only rewrote the stories after the return of the Jedi so why go and destroy the past since now the only history they have in canon of that time is like only a note in a song vs the whole song itself. Can’t wait for the next part.
You know it’s practically canon anyways, right? It doesn’t contradict the current storyline at all, so you can consider the stories truthful.
Disney was too lazy and disrespectful to even imagine having to bother with continuity. It is way more sensible to consider Disney not canon.
Disney wanted to make new canon, cyber crystals are now non canon as siths get their crystals by bleeding them... Fuck Disney.
@@user-yj3ti9rg7n they made kyber crystals into sentient beings of the force. So using their hate they cause the crystal to bleed making the sith even bigger assholes because they inflict pain on living crystals. If you read one of the Vader comics it explains how powerful a jedi kyber crystal actual is. Isn't that better sounding then the sith having to synthesize their own crytals.
@@sykune You don't seem to understand how hypocritical these fanboys can be.
This is kinda incomplete, don't you think? After all what you said was also applied to the Jedi. The Jedi grew weaker because precious knowledge was lost during all of those wars. Not just the wars! Many of the most powerful techniques developed by the Jedi Masters, deemed too powerful, were not passed down to their apprentices. Instead they were recorded in some manuscript or holocron, but with all the wars and destruction of knowledge, those techniques were lost to the Jedi.
After all Exar Kun ritual that he tried to perform. That would make him a entity made purely from the Force, granting him almost limitless power, was a ritual Exar Kun got from his raid on the Grand Jedi Library. So Exar Kun was gonna use forbidden Jedi knowledge. Knowledge that was mostly lost in that same time period due to the destruction of the Grand Library.
Let's face it! Jedi and Sith alike became weaker because they didn't took the necessary precautions to preserve the knowledge they possessed.
The Jedi many times made the mistake of placing all of their knowledge in one place making it easier to be destroyed.
While the Sith were better known to leave caches of knowledge, only they would many times hide them or protect them so well, that eventually they became lost. Also they too made the same mistake of the Jedi. Of gathering knowledge in one place and then when place was destroyed, of course the knowledge was lost with it.
Damm both sides are really that stupid ?
That's why you always have backup hard-drives.
@@withoutthehihatehappiness413
Depending on your point of view, yes, both the Jedi and Sith could be idiots at times.
I love learning about the pre movie SW stuff. Keep up the great work.
Ancient Sith Lords had a better dental plan
Lisa needs braces
It was before they had quack doctors come out and say they need to eat more sugar.
Sith is a good job that is unhealthy.
lmao, I love that kind of stupid comment.
I mean yeah. Have you seen Palpatine's teeth? Yuck!
À movie about Darth Revan and I can die peacefully
I want a Darth Bane movie better
The movie where we follow bane and how he created the rule of two which features how he found Revans holocron and showcases Revans teachings.
Be careful what you wish for
Victor Gehl Disney free perhaps
Same
Vitiate’s name got lost to History? 😂wow that’s karma for him
I guess you can say... He left no legacy (children) behind to leave a name
Supreme Nigga Snoke, true 😂
He also had so many different bodies and alias' etc Valkorion the Emperor of the Eternal Empire
To be fair, the events during which Vitiate were apart of took place at least 3,500 years before the events of the clone wars.
wasnt his name tenebrae
Because the EU is better then the movies
Lord Nox How? Lol they should have come out with these ideas before Lucas ,created Star wars then! Lol. See they cherry picked George Lucas's ideas. George Lucas created Star wars.
It's like someone trying to reinvent Tolkiens works after the fact then trying to take credit that its better then the original and take credit for it . Lol ridiculous. Only deluted entitled Fanboys would think that. It might be a cool idea or story but it's not original and copied , cherry picked.
Theses are cool but nevertheless not original , not earned copies of George's ideas and universe. Basically legends is fan work. Why the fans love it
ralfigs, the fuck are you on about. all he said was " because the EU is better then the movies" than* btw. you just went on a rant about some random bullshit that wasn't actually relevant.
Lord Nox the crazy Force power escalation was one of the things that turned me off the EU long before it stopped being canon.
KucklePuff You're just to stupid and daft to see they correlate . Not my fault you're too stupid to see it? Your Fucking problem moron.
No it really wasn't. He didn't mention nor bring up anything of that nature. Your entire rant is based off some random pent up bullshit. You cannot claim they are related if your argument was just fabricated out of thin air. There was no mention or any real correlation between what he said and what you said.
I prefer the EU('Legends") than what DisConon hands out. I'm glad you are back doing these kind of videos.
This was always something i found strange. If PAPA PALPATINE "I AM THE SENATE" was the most powerful sith ever then why does darth vitiate seem to be so much more powerful.
That is so great to hear RK! This video will explain half of the reason behind the Palpatine-Vitiate situation, with tomorrow's video really driving the point home on the lack of abilities between ancient and modern Sith. Hope you're doing very well RK!
nice, im looking forward to watching it!
Well the best display of Sidious''s abilities is shown in the old EU, not the movies. that has to be taken into account.
Nico Bruin if your talking about sidious’ abilities like force storm I agree however vitiate has been shown to wipe an entire planet of life with no need of any super weapons and he has done this multiple times. Truly when it said that Darth sidious was the most powerful sith it most likely isn’t suggesting he is the most powerful of the sith but had the most power of any sith before him in the form of the galactic empire and his dark side abilities.
RKMNgaming Vitiate wiped out an entire planet of life through a *Force Ritual* which took him alot of time preparing it. I mean a *Lot of Time*
The repetition is strong with this one.
Yup.
I've always like the idea of the Ancient Sith being stronger. I don't see why anyone (with the exception of Skywalker) should be even close to them.
Ancient Sith: "I am a God, you puny creature, and I will not be--"
Kyle Katarn: "Puny God."
What do you mean stronger? What could possibly have more power than *unlimited power*?
+50 fall resistance would be great, as would +75 sand resistance
Also +50 high ground resistance.
The high ground is too strong a weapon for everyone. No forcepower can repel superior height of that magnitude.
NexoFX ISKU only God's like Kenobi can surpass the High ground and survive
.... Super unlimited power?
Awesome video as always!
This is really interesting.
I have wondered about this topic ever since I learned about all the ancient Sith.
Can't wait to see what you do next!
Thanks SWRC!!! :D
The Old Republic Universe > Movie Universe.
Naga Sadow, Tulak Hord, and Marka Ragnos should be the Tribunal for any young Sith to follow.
AmericanGamer21 Really?
Sidious did this…
Consume all of space, alter time, and rip reality itself through the use of Force Storms.
Burn entire planets with his Force lightning.
mind dominate twenty billions, while also draining the a Force out of them.
Did galactic size battle mediation for straight 23 years and he did it for 24/7 without having a rest during his reign as the Emperor of the Galactic Empire up until to his death above Endor.
Mind dominate hundreds of quadrillions as proven, he can mind dominate an entire galaxy.
Became so powerful that he exists as a being of pure dark side energy.
Created Force Defense so durable that it can survive attacks that literally consume and destroys everything it touches, as to not let Luke and R2-D2 or Imperial fleets transport to Byss as to not being destroyed by the all-destructive power of the Force Storm and he can also create Force Defense on scales of entire fleets
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It took every single goddamn Jedi from the time of their creation up until to 11 A.B.Y. to basically seal his spirit into Chaos (the Star Wars Equivalent of hell) for an eternity and still not killing him.
Move at high-end relativistic speeds, when he is a spirit, he moves at MTFL speeds.
Move a 19,000 Meter ship casually while also mind wiping trillions.
If those deceased Jedi didn't appear in the first place, he would have succeeded to enslave the entire galaxy or the universe to the dark side, and make it into a dark side nexus, in which, he drains from, to make himself omnipotent, and have his mere presence spread across the universe, thus making himself omnipresent, and possibly omniscient on a universal scale.
This is all the evidence of what all, I said in this post:
comicvine.gamespot.com/star-wars-universe/4015-57038/forums/darth-sidioussheev-palpatine-super-respect-thread-1877280/
AmericanGamer21 Nah, I'm good with Sidious and Sidious alone, probably Plagueis as well. They're both more powerful than the ancient Sith. Star Wars Reading Club is misinformed on this video. Anyone who looks at the lore deeper and knows what the modern Sith are capable of knows they're much better. That was the entire point of the rule of two.
The Son of Suns Plageuis quite literally states that they aren't.
Del The Fox No he doesn't.
@@thesonofsuns2154 Think it's possibly in one of the Bane books I can't remember, where they reference ancient Sith Lord's being able to supernova suns. Sidious can't do this and used the Deathstar (for planets) so I'd agree with the video, and multitudes of the books the ancient had much more 'raw power' and abilities. Bane and the rule of two line up to Sidious is fantastic in it's deception - Deception was highlighted in so many of the books of that timeline to be the most 'powerful' weapon of the Sith in the later Era. So a few different ways to look at it, in differing contexts of the SW universe - very cool.
Great vid
Well...my -little green- friend...your channel has come to my attention and I must say that I am greatly pleased with your work. This is definitely one of your best videos, in fact I found it masterful. I hope you continue that way and the Force will be with you...at least the dark side... _laughs satanically_
satantically? There's no Satan in Star Wars universe bro. Oh wait, _God_ speed rebels
Apparently there is. And I thought Lucas had some bad lines...
"satanically" is used as an adverb and it just owes its name to the Prince of Darkness from our own world but as a word it is totally independent and can be used in stories which take place in another universes where the malevolent being of Satan does not exist neither in reality nor in the people's mind. If you want a Star Wars example, then take Grand Admiral Thrawn who said _what Jedi devilry is this?_ after watching the storm that the Bendu created during the climatic battle of Atollon. Devilry as a word also owes its name to the Devil who doesn't exist in Star Wars as you rightly said. Your own example is also a pretty good one but it is suggested that the word "God" does exist in Star Wars universe but it isn't similar with our own type of God who is supposed to be almighty, but instead, the beings called "gods" are something like the Ancient Greek ones who also possess many flaws and can also be defeated. Sith Emperor Vitiate for example from the EU story "Knights of the Old Republic" was seen by his subjects as "God".
+Emperor Palpatine Dayummmmm... You sure owned him my Lord
Emperor Palpatine May the Force serve you well Lord Sidious.
grow up fucking idiot
It's known in the eras before the Old Republic we know that a lot or least a bit of Sith knowledge and abilities were lost or fallen outta use so much they were close to lost. That and the Sith at this time were more combat oriented not particularly sneaky like they was Between Bane and Palpatines time.
but also according to this video just like the Jedi the Sith it seems also lost most of their way
Robert Agu maybe because they weren't ruling anyone? Maybe alot of the dark side power comes from ruling people it would explain studious having similar power to ancient sith lords but far above those in between
@@mondaysinsanity8193 Or that the people writing him scaled his power because he's the most well-known and popular Sith and made for a better antagonist.
@@Lobsterwithinternet fair.
God thats an old comment, the way thats written made me cringe. Fuck you for making me read 5 year old words lmfao.
As always, wonderful video Star Wars Reading Club!
One of my fav channels. I've learned alot 😁👌
Thank you Charles, I definitely appreciate you taking the time to leave such a kind comment!
Haven't watched the video yet, but I'm gonna guess the reason is: Because apprentices are never able to best their masters without capitalizing on a fortuitous weakness or some other form of subterfuge.
Give it a few thousand years and they wont even be able to use the force anymore, but they'll be *_really really_* sneaky, lol.
One if my favorite channels
I wonder if a sith Lord ever died from a heart attack in the rule of two lol
One of them died peacefully of old age, no apprentice rising up against him.
@@nobrac1647 darth vectivus?
Good video! I always enjoy your discussions of the ancient Sith and Jedi.
Naga Shadow was famous of doing hundreds of force projections at once, across the galaxy...
Luke Skywalker died in doing one...
I think the dark side is cooler...
Luke didn’t die doing one. He gave into the Force afterwards because his purpose was fulfilled. He was no longer needed, and the Jedi could finally go on without him. Besides, he’s almost certainly coming back as a Force ghost in IX so don’t get your hopes down.
@@a.morphous66
Since when could Jedi die on command?
*-Order 66-*
Except Sadow needed the meditation sphere, which increases the power of the user by a "thousandfold". Not to mention those are from two separate continuities rendering any comparison between the two irrelevant.
@@DoubleBoost23 literally since the first movie
EU luke would kill eu naga shadow
"Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise?"
"No"
"I thought not, its not a story a Millenial Jedi would tell you"
I love this video. You’re really good at what you do :)
This video was awesome! Thank you, it answered so many questions… Even the ones I didn’t know that I had LOL
Ancient Sith are so powerful because there were once thousands of Sith studying various abilities at once and other Sith could steal all this knowledge at once while the modern Sith started with Bane who wasn't very knowledgable and the later generations were slowly regaining all the knowledge that was lost thousands of years prior
Because such powers are easier to portray in books and comics than in a movie trilogy
I love legends videos. You're a pretty good CZcamsr, keep it up.
Darth Gravid upcoming I feel!
Simple, because they where so many, they constantly had to fend of others, so that trully only the strongest at the time would prevail.
I mean, we know that Sidious killed his own master in his drunken sleep, and Plaugies killed his master when he was saving their lives, by collapsing the ceiling in a cave above him. What does this mean? It means that we don't know IF Plagueis actually was stronger than his master and if Sidious was stronger than him. We only know that they tricked them. We don't actually know IF any of them actually had a stronger connection to the force than Bane. While the idea Bane had, was that each new "sith master" would be stronger than the one before, in reality it isn't acctually so.
It IS so. Here's the thing, for you strength is defined as force/saber/sithy stuff. Strength is only relevant insofar as you have the will and knowledge to apply it. Remember, they were stronger... but they still lost. The battles showed that he was below Yoda (If only by the tiniest smidgen) and that Mace, while being weaker, was just an unfavorable match up. Aside from them, he killed all the other Jedi simply through strategy. It's about creating the most cunning, patient, strategic sith. Instead of focusing on creating a godlike Sith who could mow through Jedi, it was about creating an infestation that would spread through the galaxy and corrupt it from within. While Yoda was being a space monk for 900 years, Sidious got just about as strong as him in terms of ability, while completely overtaking him in terms of machiavellian manipulation, generalship, strategy, and all the other side topics that would come up in the emperor playbook. Oh, and he didn't even take a century to get so good. He just has a greater mind, giving him a force multiplier (like the canyon being a force multiplier for the spartans), whereas the Jedi are kinda brain dead in comparison. It's probably why Kenobi is the best of them. For another example, look at Anakin. So much potential power, chosen one, etc etc... and look at what happens to him. Rash emotional action getting him maimed as well as having been turned into a Marionette. His weak mind turned his own power against him.
I haven't read the Bane novels but it feels as if RO2 is more geared toward creating some with the utmost ruthlessness, cunning, charisma, manipulative ability, and strategy. I think it's a form of Art of War thing, where he wants a "Complete Sith" as opposed to all those ancient sith that flex with the force but typically just get betrayed/outsmarted/or just do stupid shit. I think the real lesson in R02 IS to overcome someone stronger than you. He was able to manipulate the circumstances in his favor in order to facilitate his victory against someone he may not have beat. It's the same principle he used to take the galaxy. Look at what he does; he turns 2 Jedi against the order, he used Dooku as well as his own position to make sure neither side is winning before he is ready, he turns his underling against each other so that no opposing faction gains to much power, even manipulates tiny subfactions in his favor. I like his pragmatic philosophy and mental acuity even more than his force powers.
It seems like the new cannon would suggest that the Brotherhood of Darkness would be more powerful than the ancient Sith since they were closer to a balance in the Force. All I know is TLJ has made how the Force works confusing as hell.
caravaggio2012 Bullshit.
The Force has always been confusing. It’s never straightforward. We actually know more about it now than ever before, considering that Legends writers never really expanded on it other than adding new powers.
I recall reading a Star Wars novel ("Dark Lord, Rise of Darth Vader" I think) that had a Jedi point of view character that was pondering on why it seemed harder, lately, to call on the Force than it had been in the past. So it might not have only been the Sith.
Bane didn't do the thought bomb, Kaan and the other leaders of the Brotherhood of Darkness did. They all died.
Bane gave the Thought Bomb to Kaan as a trap. He also performed a similar ritual on Ruusan to conjure a small Force Storm, which was interrupted by Kaan.
To summarize this great video, ancient Siths have stronger Force Powers than modern Sith, since many Siths and other dark players are utilizing dark knowledge and the Dark-side making the virtually the galaxy shrouded with the Dark-side of the force. Also, Siths are bickering with each other thus feeding more darkness to the Dark-side immersing the galaxy, leading to a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural! Thanks to you Star Wars Reading Club!
Did, people seem to forget about Dark Empire Sidious, the one who literally rip the fabric of universe, consume all space, alter time, it took all of the dead Jedi to imprison him to the hellish version of Star Wars for all of eternity but not killing him just like the outlander and Valkorion's family killed Valkorion's soul, whereas Sidious' soul can't die despite there are fuck ton of dead Jedi spirits, and he plan himself to be omnipotent and rule the entire universe with no limits.
shh that goes against the narrative Star Wars Reading Club is trying to put and make ancient sith really powerful when in fact the ancient sith heavily relied on powerful sith artifacts rituals etc to achieve there so-called "feats".
Darth Sidious Cadeus and Krayt way more powerful than any of ancient Sith who got defeated/bested by modern Jedi Padwans. (Exar Kun and Marka Ragnos)
They sent sidious to hell? That sounds incredibly lame.
undead4500 Where did the artifacts come from? Who created them?
K4113B4113 artifacts are created by imbuing dark energies and magic into an object like an amulet or sword by way of a sith ritual. The ritual determines the properties given to an object.
who else? the ancient sith empire by using sith sorcery.
Although Bane's rule of two ensured the survival of the Sith, it also brought distrust between the master and the apprentice. All Sith masters, including Sidious knew that if they taught their apprentices everything they know, they would eventually be taken over. This precaution caused permanent loss of knowledge and wisdom with every generation.
I really like that end joke
good stuff
Yayyy!!! Welcome back, Non-Canon Expert! I definitely left a like for you. 👍😃👍 So do you think the Dark Side is positioned to re-emerge with the greatness as the Sith of Old had? I think so. But, I think they're going to ruin it with the push to "Gray". When everything's gray, there can be no true delineating Dark Side power. I wanna see Kylo be as dark as he can be, now. Great video! Hope you're having a wonderful week so far! 😃
I disagree. The Banite Sith not only recaptured many of these old abilities, but in the case of Darth Sidious had actually gone above and beyond them. Sidious was able to drain whole planets at once. He could create Force Storm worm holes that destroyed whole ships in space. His own experiments in the Force and even in Technology with his World Devastators was well known.
Even his version of immortality was better than the Ancient Sith Lord Darth Andedu. The Ancient Sith couldn't touch that. And had Vader been fully trained as a Sith Lord by Sidious instead of being used as a weapon or a pawn, he may actually have grown strong enough to go beyond Sidious and surpass him even with his injuries. Vader was better disciplined than Sidious. Less petty.
Bane would have approved of him. Hell, what Sith had the power to create Life the same way Darth Plageuis had? Oh they were able to play God with mutations. But real life creating a superior Force User like Anakin was too much a feat for even them.
I'm a scrub who only ever watched the movies and some shit on youtube, but if what you say is true, than what the actual fuck.
I_AM_THE_SENATE could drain planets and create worm holes? Holy shit! Yet he goes down like he's an old fart, much.
BUT
I agree to disagree with you... The Ancient Sith... those guys were op.
Thank you for your work
from what i understand of that thought bomb that killed the Brotherhood of Darkness, as well as w/e Jedi were fighting them, it resulted in the Valley of the Jedi, which shows up in Star Wars Jedi Knight, JK 2, and is mentioned in Jedi Academy
I always thought of the EU stuff being Hyperbolic like the Force Unleashed Game. Yeah Starkiller does powerful feats. But the Jedi Masters (who ran away) are on his level, and Vader and Palpatine are still stronger than him and capable of more. That's all. Palps is the Strongest Sith Lord there had been.
These guys are powerful but...
Palpatine is *THE SENATE*
i love when there's a SWTOR/KOTOR mention in the videos. xD
Great outro also LMFAO!!
3:20 If you can spot hunter from “alien vs hunter” you get 5 bucks
Simple. They discovered how to use the precious resource known as "Plot Armor" for their gain
Wow these videos smack, I love it here
The best of the best doesn't mean much when there's only a master and an apprentice. It's hard to find someone really good at something when the pool of talent is so small.
Disney, why aren't you making a movie around ancient Sith ? I want to see Marka Ragnos on the big screen. And Naga Sadow, Tulak Hord, Revan, Exar Kun, Bane, Nihilus, Malgus, Valkorion.
Make it happen !
At least you didn't state Vitiate twice which a lot of people seem to do. Both Vitiate and Valkorion despite them being the same person :P
Just think of the new cannon as a “nerf” to all characters that were allowed to stay in Disney’s cannon. Literally take almost any Jedi from legends and put him up against five from Canon and he would more than likely win with no issue even if you also used his Canon version to
Hey SWRC! Loved the vid :) also OH MY GOD YOU'RE DOING A PART TWO
I only recognize that beginning music from *one* place only, Flood Escape from when I was little, if you know you know
So the Sith can't help but destroy themselves and their knowledge and traditions through their own code?
It is the nature of the Dark Side to destroy itself. It's also why the Empire fell apart so quickly after Palpatine's death. When ambition is the singular prized quality, you get people in charge who shouldn't have risen above grunt work.
If in the past 2000 years there were only 2 scientists at any given time, we'd still be sacrificing children for good weather. Bane might have kept the Sith alive with his way, if you can call that alive. You can't learn much new with only 2 of you. Progress comes from a huge sample size. It's no wonder they were stunted and did nothing for so long
Great video I would love to see you do a video on ulic qel droma, one of my favorite characters.
something I have been thinking about for a while, the ancient sith tended to have large numbers of force users, as well as all kinds of tools that helped them to channel their power, like meditation chambers and dark side amulets that amplified power and such, but the modern sith probably couldn't use those because they tended to live near places with large populations and not distant worlds far from prying jedi eyes, but they became stronger individually, able to use the force in ways that the ancient sith could not without the help of external factors, like multiple helpers or tools.
I always considered two possibilities: one, Force-sensitives tend to become Jedi and Sith, both of which are strongly discouraged to breed and die at above-normal rates; Force-sensitivity is evolving out of the galaxy. Two: the Force is universe-wide but NOT unlimited. It is replenished by living things, and as entire planets are destroyed across the universe and Force-sensitives use enormous amounts of raw energy, the Force itself becomes weaker. Either explanation could suffice for a progression of lessening Force-sensitivity leading to our Force-less universe today.
Darth plagius the wise meme
Did you ever hear the legend?
David Hong of Darth fox the admin?
LEGENDS VIDEOS FINALLY!!
Sounds like a clip of ambient music from Jak 2 is playing in the background on loop
We are on the precipice of a new era in the Dark Side. I will lead it.
Kylo Feels Your Pain >.> nobody likes kylo ren...
I must admit, Kylo has certainly improved from Force Awakens to The Last Jedi. He shows shades of a Sith Acolyte
Peter Osborne I don't need to be liked. I need to be obeyed.
Pokemonisboss1 Thank you. I will grow in power and make the galaxy into exactly what I want it to be.
Kylo Feels Your Pain I like your character. But you need to do something about your stance. It's kind of rediculous.
If anyone can learn the ancient Sith techniques, it's Rey. She can do anything and everything.
She will resurrect Anakin, Obi-Wan, Luke and all Jedi, then resurrect all Sith and make them good and gay, and SW will slowly transform to a happy family-friendly Disney movie
David Lennyman ma-Rey sue
"Learn"? I bet she was born with that knowledge!
He went to the planet Russan* it's referenced in the dark babe trilogy by Drew Kapyshin. Love the vid just thought it would help
I noticed that the old republic days vs the sith empire was the pinnacle of force powers compare to the galactic republic era. You just don’t see the same type of force feats performed at the high level.
501st like. Just gonna leave that here. ;)
The irony of the dark brotherhood is that for all of Bane's criticisms, they actually would have succeeded in wiping out the last of the Jedi if Bane himself hadn't betrayed them while they were on the cusp of victory.
Some Jedi would have escaped such a purge and while the 'brotherhood' only had themselves to vie with would have happily shifted to unending civil war... meanwhile the Jedi would remain on the job and focused. One Jedi knight can pull off anything, one Sith can screw up anything. Statistically Bane was right, they would always defeat themselves. The irony is the thought bomb and the rule of two didn't change this... Sith always turn on each other and it was always and ultimately their downfall.
Lotta Stuff To Keep Track Of, Outline Needed.
bro your ending comments and remarks make me laugh so much bro keep it up
The REAl secret?
Comics and games dont have to put as much money in making the shot in a real life setting within a movie.
Because its cheaper to do OP force powers, when you dont have to produce it just draw it lololol. And where did all the cool force OP powers come from, comics.
Why, cause you can just draw it, and Dark horse had no one telling them "What you can and cant do" with force powers, hence, why their all OP.
Wait wait wait you said millennia ago but the Sith emperor lived 3.5 millennia ago
millennia is plural, it means multiple milleniums ago
not a millennia, just millennia
Millennium is singular. Millennia is plural.
Obi-Wan Kenobi wow you and 50 other people need better education lol
Even if it wasn't a plural, Vitiate was alive up until about 1000 BBY through his 'one with the force' spirit shit. Hell he might still be alive :P
Good video i love the Darth Bane books
Much better sound quality !
Star Wars was in its death rows at The Force Awakens, and The Last Jedi simply put it out of its misery. Star Wars is dead. Thanks Disney.
After the Rage So.. You disliked them? Why? I havent seen TLJ so please no spoilers.
K4113B4113 The visuals are beautiful and they are very cinematic. But they lack any real story telling, which is disappointing.
it isn't dead imo, the comics and novels continue to be fantastic, the movie franchise though, for me was killed by TLJ, the only way I'd purchase a new movie release at this point is if Disney re-released the originals with eg. the original Vader ghost & such on disc.
Clorox Bleach Chocolate how can you misspell Leia?
I thought the new Star Wars movie was great. I loved every bit of it. I suggest you watch the movie yourself and let go of any expectations. I came to the theatres having not watch any of the trailers leading up to my viewing. I walked in as a blank slate and came out super happy with the experience.
*_For giving the people what they want..._*
You are the best star wars lore channel, even though most of your videos are on legends
I love the “If not for meeee...” ‘s
Were any clone troopers force-sensitive?
Not in the Disney Canon. But, in the EU, we know of at least two...
I don't think x1 and x2 would count because they weren't technically cloned they were the children of a Jedi who dropped them off at kamino.
no, because Jango wasn't & they're copies of him, though I haven't seen the story of x1 & x2, ig they'd be exceptions
There was one clone called Glitch who thought he was and was adamantly convinced that he could use the Force. He fought Pre Vizsla by using the lightsaber of a fallen Jedi and survived. His fate and whether or not he was actually Forceful is debatable.
The Ancient Sith were only powerful due to rituals and artifacts. In terms of natural power , the Bane era Sith were strongest . And George Lucas said Darth Sidious was more powerful than any Sith before him.
KingNazaru Yep, exactly.
I almost spit out my drink in laughter when you suddenly went to Kylo Ren ship. Cought me off guard, good one sir good one. 😂
Legends make everyone stronger than they were. It's the way of things. They still had weaknesses and died all the same. My master was over confident and I killed him. I died when I let go of my hate and the dark side, and embraced the love for my son.
Every time he says 'we love making these videos....' i am saying it with him aswell.
Am i the only one who does it?
Robin Janssen And whenever he says "video exposé" an image of a gay dude in a too tight pink t-shirt doing gay hand-mannerisms pops up.
no, though I tend to think rather than say outloud
No ancient sith is powerful than me,i am THA CHOSEN ONE FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Did you know? The ancient Sith didn't hate sand.
Edge lord, learn fuckinh grammar and spelling
vader was weak. Anakin is the chosen one.
Darth Vader you arent the chosen one, anikan is
"you are the chosen one, chosen one to be blamed for death star destruction" lol
What if in or after episode 9 the carbonite that held Melgus was found and thawed? What if Melgus tried to bring back the Sith Empire?
Thank you, sir!