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Kylo:some girl keeps messing with my plans
Old siths: hey wanna eat a planet
Other Old Sith: I've only been snacking on moons the past few days, why don't we pig out and eat a solar system.
@@roberttaylor2140 Siths now: my son won't join the dark side
Old sith: I murdered my father after he abused my mother,
"It was good intent though right?"
No, I killed her not long after torturing her for months and months
@@highpeddle9543 New Sith: but why!?
Old Sith: dont know? Felt cute, lol
@@thatoneguy2546 Other Old Sith: Dude it was awesome, tho I used alchemy to turn my mom into a disgusting quadrupedal creature that now accompanied me wherever I go. That way I’ll never forget how much I hated the bitch. I win
Imagine a movie or series about the ancient Jedi and Sith.
oh it's coming. people seem to be into the ancient stuff so money will be made eh Disney
I would be down for it but I really hope they don't screw this up and get good and viable writers and directors if they really were to attempt this
Tarlo The Boar
NO!!!
Now that's what I want to see, and let it be R rated and downright medieval!
Bring on Darth Revan just don't fuck it up
Nihilus, literally Nihilus, walked in, deleted the Jedi council (save one because she wasn't there) and then gave the whole planet the super succ
This is by far my favorite comment
then he got tricked by his old master to go to a planet with no Jedi inturn he was consumed by his own insatiable hunger and died lol
@@jovanleonardi1574 no one said he was smart
@@jovanleonardi1574 To be fair, she also tricked you.
@@jovanleonardi1574 Darth Nihilus can't die, he was defeated by Meetra Surik and his spirit was then sealed and buried on Korriban. Darth Nihilus's mask still exist today buried somewhere on Korriban.
Rule one of being a sith: either have a badass mask, or be hideously deformed
Unless your name is Dooku
@@TGAM2005 Unless you're Maul
or both
GigatronusPrime maul has robot legs. I think that counts as deformed
@@skeltonslay8er781 His face... We mean his face
There's a reason the modern sith are always searching for ancient texts and holocrons etc. Because the ancients knew things.
@Tanner Hess Palpatine knew Essence Transfer, before Disney decided to retcon everything not pertaining to the Clone Wars. He survives the Death Star by transferring himself into a clone body. After Luke becomes a full fledged jedi master, the two of them have a rematch, and this time he finally defeats him.
Tanner Hess ain’t nothing glorious about being a paraplegic via your own failures as a person and then spending a good 25 years hating yourself and the order you work for (I don’t think he hated it but man definitely wasn’t “enjoying” himself)
@@Nyrufa I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the ROTJ script. Palpatine died in episode 6, anything else is just nerd shit made up after the fact.
@@animepussy8356 No, it's in the novels / comics. Disney can go fuck itself for tossing out the Expanded Universe material. Over 2 decades worth of stories they could adapted to the sequel trilogy, and they gave us this garbage instead...
@@animepussy8356 he's right. if it was proper nerd shit the movies would have been better as they would have listened to fans
The Old Republic and Ancient era of Star Wars are the best lore-wise.
Coinkidink Fella agreed
My CZcams probing of this rich history I had no idea existed agrees with this
Can we please not forget the new republic era in legends
I've been praying for the day a Je'daii movie comes out
No the sequel movies are the best era
Dooku and Windu :"We are the best duelist in the Galaxy !"
Tulak Hord :"Hold my Khem Val !"
Windu Is Powerful...
@@ayoutubechannel1413 Tulak is a better Duelist
"Puny Sith.."
@@catraaufaa_9_viiif323 dude Tulak is unbeatable he die cuz plot (got stabbed in the back) cuz if u head on againts tulak Basically suicide
@@catraaufaa_9_viiif323 Tulak is not even a top 5 duliest bruh he was alive in a era when there was only two forms of lightsaber training Windu would wipe the floor with him
It's an easy equation. A still learning apprentice kills his master while only 80% trained. The same thing keeps happening resulting in a steady downward trend.
I mean if you compare the beginning and end points of the Rule of Two Palpatine was way more powerful than Bane. That rule was implemented to ensure each generation of Sith was more powerful than the last.
But if they managed to outperform the previous generations skill and techniques by 125+% it would still be an upwards trend. Anyway, masters are supposed to keep most secrects to themselves, not sharing it with their sudents to train their inquisitve side and hide away all these most secret info somwhere else to prevent the scenario described above... So ideally if the student kills the master with 90% completed training the remaining 10% he can gain from the hidden bequest/legacy. Key word: Ideally...
@@leiferikson850 usually the apprentice doesn't surpass the master. Killing them only by surprise and treachery. The master is supposed to teach all the skills as the apprentice is ready.
You seem a little foggy on master apprentice dynamics. Even palpatine never learned immortality like his master.
@@wittyjoker4631 "Killing them only by surprise and treachery" That happend with later generations while the first few actually had fights how Bane intended. Prime example would be Bane vs Zannah... Although Bane believed that pragmatism is a key and strength in not only muscles but also brains, so betrayal is not unwelcome.
"The master is supposed to teach all the skills as the apprentice is ready."
Bane himself decided to not teach Zannah all to enforce her to gain knowledge herself. This was also used as a way to prolong the masters life. Keep secrets, make sure the student knows this, so the student will bear with you for while in hope to gain the last pieces of knowledge out of you in time.
"Even palpatine never learned immortality like his master."
In legends Plageuis never learned true immortality. He knew essence transfer (which Sidious also learned), based alot of future research on this but never had a huge breakthrough...
The biggest pain for Sidious was that his master was a scientist by heart and thus wrote entire lectures about all kinds of experiments.The lessons out of these broguht Plageuis such incomparable knowledge but for Sidious who is more of a pragmastist it was a chore reading through the library of his master which he never finished.
A comparision would be a person trying to know how to build a gun and gets answered by having books about scientific physics, economics (how to best get the parts), forging, balistics, and aiming thrown at them. With the knowledge you could become a gunsmith making a living with a gun factory under your command but you have to study seemingly unrelated things for 10+ years for all this when all you wanted was a simple "building firearms for dummys...
@@leiferikson850 so you counter my general point with an atypical anomaly as an example... bravo...
What if palpatine forgot to execute order 66 becuase of having alzheimer?
he would have forgot he was a sith eventually and become an elder Jedi 😎
Or gave the wrong order. Order 72
@@joshfrench5858 Order 34
Daniel Kiesel order 69
@@joshfrench5858 or order 69. 😎
Vader: no I can't kill my son
Nihilus: gonna go eat a planet
Yes
But still vader > nihilus. Gotta accept that little guy
@@Andrea-ok5bo ehhhhhh
@@idiosyncraticmushroom3030 yep man. 1-Nihilus needed to eat other force users to be able to fight. 2- reportedly lost so many battles during the datk wars die to his lack of stratefy and lightsaber skill. Aaaand he was killed by meetra surik, the last jedi of the old order. While Vader never lost a fight and died to save his son, killin palpatine.
So if u think nihilus is better ok, but this is not true
@@Andrea-ok5bo thats true, but nihlus is definetly cooler (at least cooler looking)...*and he isnt afraid of sand*
I remember that one of the old ones was such a badass that the only thing that managed to finally kill him was old age.
When his apprentices were mocking him at his funeral, his ghost comes by and scares the shit out of them.
I think you are referring to Marka Ragnos.
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@Miguel Ramos Tulak Hord was the strongest warrior of the Ancient Sith. Marka Ragnos was the strongest Sith Sorcerer. Think of it like Windu and Yoda respectively.
Naga Sadow imo was greatly diminished as a powerful Sith Lord when he led his Empire against the Republic in a disastrous war that ended in the Republics occupation of Korriban. Vitiate.. ive got no words for 😂
@Miguel Ramos absolutely nothing. Hes my second favorite Imperial era Sith, behind Darth Marr. I'm just saying I dont have the vocabulary to describe the absolute legend
Palpy:”unlimited power!!!”
Horde:”that’s cute”
Palpatine would butt fuck Horde
@@jermainesmith9429 And Revan would ass rape Sidious with a lightsaber.
@@markokrstic8795 Doubt it Seeing as Revan couldn’t beat Vitiate and Palpatine is a better duelist den Vitiate and has stronger force Powers but ill allow you to keep sucking off Revan😂🙏🏾
@@jermainesmith9429 bitch please. Revan would throw a planet at Sidious and then sandwich him in between another. There's a reason why sith are always looking for ancient sith knowledge and holocrons, because even they knew that the ancient sith could wipe their asses with them.
@@markokrstic8795 Lmao isn’t Revan the same Bitch who got his mind ass raped By Vitiate😂🤦🏾♂️ And lmao It’s a good thing Palpatine is a combination of 1,000 years of ancient sith teaching🥱💀😂 ,
Sidius was the exemplar of the "modern" "intelligent" Sith, yet wasn't smart enough to stop blasting himself to death with his own force lightning. I think it's clear which era was better...
Agreed. I think people overrate Palpatine as a master of the Dark Side when most of his successes were thanks to his *political* skills. But whenever he turned on the Force Lightning it seemed to short circuit his common sense - as RotJ and RoS demonstrate.
@@daniels7907 ya no that was BULLSHIT with rey and he didn't think Darth vador would betray him
@@coreythomas3633 - How much of an idiot did he have to be to *not* think that Vader would betray him when:
1) He had literally just tried to replace Vader with Luke as his apprentice!
2) Vader's fear of losing his family is how Palpatine tricked him to the Dark Side in the first place and he was slowly murdering Vader's son right in front of him!
3) Sith apprentices are *supposed* to betray and murder their masters!
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So really, the thing with Rey was *not* that surprising. Palpatine could have saved the galaxy a lot of trouble if he had just exercised his self-destructive streak by committing suicide instead. Oh wait, he basically did. *Twice!*
He manages to cheat death by using Essence Transfer to possess a clone body, in the original canon.
@@Nyrufa - But each clone had a progressively shorter lifespan. Even in the Dark Empire comics, Palpatine was searching for another way to survive, since Essence Transfer and clones were not cutting it. Which is something that Darth Plagueis had figured out and which was why he was looking for a means to become immortal within his original body.
Maul was a prime example. He had the high ground and still lost!
Probably partly due to arrogance.
Maul was cocky and it was likely the only time Obi-wan tapped into the dark side due to his youth and anger at Qui Gonns death
Exactly. I read once in a book where Kenobi told Yoda that he did give in to his anger over the loss of his master.
Aaron Virdee I just want to point out that the move obi wan used to defeat Maul is the same move anakin tried on Kenobi when he had the high ground. But because Kenobi knew this move he could easily beat it
@@dman644 Darth maul arrogant and cocky. not to mention Darth maul went completely crazy and out of control after he got his new legs, new lightsaber & the darksaber.
I’m just imagining Revan calling Darth Sidious a “NOOB”
Revan would totally fuck him into pieces
Abschaum idk about cannon but in legends he doesn’t stand a chance
@@xeoas213 palpatine would cream pie Revan with no difficulty
Revan is just cooler than palpatine
fws sffx yeah he looks bad ass
”The thot bomb”
So the sith were in secret really the saviors of the galaxy
@Timothy McDermott Jr. why not both lol
The thought bomb was a psychic attack that killed every force user on Russan. And it was epic
Darth bane was a SIMP
@@Lrdnqustr why? I wasn't completely paying attention to the video
They may have made the new siths look like noobs... but the feeling you get from seeing Vader is incomparable
Well duh since u haven’t seen any of the ancient sith in movies 😂
@@Aamonnater yer aye what an idiot
The few times you see him outside of the original trilogy he is just this monstrous unstoppable force. It's almost as if Michael Meyers or Jason were coming at you.
Jesus Christ Saves czcams.com/video/Eo3GkTwwbjY/video.html
Bruh the new sith are more powerful Sidious dooku Vader are all top 10
literally every sith who ever lived makes Crylo Ren look like the loser he always was
Never saw Kylo as a sith, just a dark side user.
@@ProfLoomis not even at that level. Lowest of the low, actually
@@ProfLoomis I saw kylo as a joke, nothing more
His last line in the trilogy is literally: "ouch"
That sums him up perfectly 😅
hell his EU counterpart are far stronger than him, i'm talking about Darth Caedus aka Jacen Solo
The old Sith we're stronger because they had to fight each other to gain power as well as the Jedi. But they always had to be weary of others who wanted their power and place. Which is why so many Sith wanted immortality.
The rule of 2 was better because only the stronger of the 2 would go on but it not as difficult as the old. Expecially since they spent their time hiding and planning.
It's works in theory but it leaves the sith vulnerable ***SPOILERS*** Like in ROS the sith after 8000 years of war and chaos the sith were finally killed off with no one left to know of their existence seeing as how the temples of the ancient sith have been long since robbed of all the knowledge they once held
Jori Roberts but palpatine is stronger than those fuckers because he inherited powers from all previous sith and Vader because he is the chosen one
@@jackboden2189 uh no....
It's like comparing a experienced soldier to a career martial artist. The soldier will always be battle hardened after every fight, whereas the martial artist would plan and practice his choreography while watching Taebo!!!!
Another problem with the rule of two is that it will work only if the apprentice is playing fair (as if sith would do that) and don't just blow his master up from orbit or something like that, it also assumes that no one would die in accident and that the master would teach his apprentice everything (as if sith would do that)
Sith in the phantom menace: I killed a Jedi master and then went on to take down his padawan😈
Sith now: I was beaten by a girl with no lightsaber training 🤧
Not being fair lol. Rey is such a Mary-sue that it's stupid. I cant even consider the Disney star wars trilogy canon.
@@steveaugust7797 same
The sith died out with Vader and Sidious, Kylo is just a weak dark side user iirc
Ray had the power of Jar Jar Abrams, so unless someone gains the power of master Filoni, she’s unbeatable.
palpatine: "i am all the sith"
golden era sith: "not even close"
Darth Vitiate's got to be my favorite Sith. The Palpatine before Palpatine, if you will.
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He was just a copy of palpy. In kotor he was just mentioned as maybe existing secret sith who plays chess and people like revan are simply phions to him. but in swtor he was just weird and inconsistent. He was just a clone of palpatine in the jk story and a lovecraftian monster in the shadow of revan expansion. But as valkorion he is not even the same character
Tl;dr he is just a knock off of palpy
@@azarishere6442 say what you want my dude but you gotta give the devs some props for making him seem nigh-unstoppable. Kill him, and he comes back stronger. Destroy his world and plans, he'll just completely restart over and be even more ambitious. Hell he might even have a personality change because of his body swapping...
Vitiate (at least in Valkorion state) was more than an evil guy. He was more than a sith.
"To call you sith, is to ignore your true self
therefore you earned my respect"
"The old ways hold you back. You barely tapped your true potential. It is time you are unleashed."
"The empire is not worth saving and the Republic is not worth destroying. There is a greater purpose awaiting us."
There are more quotes like this that shows he is not a Jedi or sith obsessed force user like Palpatine.
@@Dionyboz Vitiate and Dark Empire Sidious may have been near equals but Tenebrae in his Valkorion persona was in another whole league of power. He was in a league that would place himself just a tier under being as powerful as The Ones (Freed from Mortis)...
Apart from palpatine and maybe Vader, all the modern Sith just have nothing on Sith Lords such as darth nialus
Well Darth Nihilus was a Force Wound who grew more powerful with each Force User he consumed. So technically i think he was a bit of a cheater in that regard. In terms of raw, natural power, I don't think any of the modern Sith; such as Tyranus, Maul, Savage, and Asajj; would be able to stand up to even a mid-level Sith Acolyte from the Old Republic era
Yeah but Palatine and Vader are literally the only main modern Sith Lords so who exactly doesn’t have anything on Darth Nihilus?
Chappo Nihilus*
@@trueballer6880 what about Kyle Ren the wimp with daddy issues?
Jarik Shan average Sith Marauder from SWTOR could solo half of the Post-Ruusan Reformation Jedi Order.
"Succumb to the dark side of the force." Bold of you to assume that I didn't willingly choose this path.
Palps Empire lasted less than 20 years, defeated by his farmer noob grandson and defeated again by his noob grand daughter
I think you mean Darth Vader
@@cmoneverybodyitsachoochoot5427 Nope. Remove luke from the movies and Palps would have remained. Vader's final action was for luke, not Palps
Perhaps. Although his Empire had the most authority. Even if the Sith Empires lasted millennia they were still wiped out by both the Republic and Eternal Empire respectively. They may have been around longer but their power was contested by the existencd of the Republic. Galactic Empire didn't have that problem so.. its your decision whos Empire was technically stronger.
Well palpatine destroyed republic single handedly. Manipulation is a strong weapon for force users at the end.
We need a "Hundred year Darkness" movie ASAP but DON'T let Disney direct it. And make it pg-13 or R rated, we need this movie to be Raw and Real...
You my friend, know whats up
you know, family friendly and trans friendly
aint gonna happen
If through game, maybe, perhaps but I doubt with disney
If I had the resources, I would jump on it.
Games of throne style
@@lilosnitch3247 that's way worse look at s8 ending bruh
In a way the Rule of Two sith where the most vulnerable.
Let say some accident or enemy of the new sith master, managed to kill him or her before he/she could take any apprentices.
Well that´s it then, the entire Stih order dies with him/her and so does most of the dark side skills learned through the ages.
Here´s the thing though with the sith order of the old republic. If one sith lord died, before he could train an apprentice, it wasn´t such a huge loss as there was always others who could take over.
The Sith order would survive.
Erikjust yah but there teachings live on in sith halocrons the only risk is the rule of two teachings
And the rule of two is for each sith order there is definitely more then two sith but those sith orders would probably fight each other
I don't really think there's ever just really just two I think there's two that think they are the only two . Sith have a bad habit of teaching secret apprentices.
RICK NICK yup and then they pull a excuse oh it’s a assassin oh no now it’s an inquisitor they do the same as the apprentice just difference is of who is in charge of who
@@ricknick5318 true I'd say there's always at least 3 to 4 that we know of. Master's with apprentices , apprentices with apprentices who could have apprentices, who are their masters upon master's in the chain of command. It could go on and on.
Palpatine manipulated the Senate with his political skills. Exar Kun stormed into the Senate, paralyzed everyone inside, cut down his former Jedi Master in a lightsaber duel and retrieved his then-captive apprentice who was on trial.
The old masters were all about physical displays of power. As the millennia went on Sith learned to dial it back a little and when absolutely warranted, unleash their power in a brutally spectacular way 🤣
@@blackshogun272 - Yes, but the old Sith masters could openly instill terror in the Jedi Order, and forced a degree of unity among the Jedi not seen in later times when the Jedi instead saw themselves as individual space cops and had little experience with teamwork. That was why they went down so easily at the Battle of Geonosis. It had been too long since the Jedi had seriously needed to work together as an army.
The late-Republic Jedi didn't even have an emergency plan in place for the possible loss of their Temple - during a *war* in which Coruscant had come under attack multiple times! In contrast, the ancient Jedi were able to weather to destruction of Ossus during the Sith War unleashed by Exar Kun, even though he killed some of their oldest Jedi Masters!
@@blackshogun272 so basically Palpatine is better. Here's why: the scenario described is basically having a real gangsta show up into the Senate, take his gun out, mow everyone down and then declare himself the winner. Whereas being a congressman you use deceit, sabotage, etc., to win the court of the King or President or whomever is in power. You actually get all the power that comes with it, too. Imagine using Jedi mind tricks to win the presidency. Rather than going in guns blazing and then making a trillion enemies.
@@monjier imagine if the us presidents secret service shot the president and then said "im president now" ...like no, thats not how it works.
Honestly I hate Darth Bane and the rule of 2, I feel like it makes everything more boring. The KotOR age and before is waaaaaay better than what happens after, mostly because the Sith are an actual force and not the ones striking from the shadows. I loved the idea of there being a bunch of Jedi and a bunch of Sith and occasionally you would have these big lightsaber battles, you would have the SIth and the Republic vying for power in the galaxy and really it was just far more interesting than the shadow games after the rule of 2.
It's not to say that there aren't great stories, the shadowy intrigue has its moments, but I prefer 2 giant powers fighting for control of the Galaxy, not a big bad empire against the underdog rebels who win it in the long run.
As far as power? I think the older Sith Lords would destroy the newer ones, despite what George Lucas has said (He's made some terrible decisions let's be honest) Darth Sidious looks weak compared to Sith Lords like Exar Kun or Revan or Ragnos or Vitiate or many many others, even renowned Sith like Bane seem weak by comparison. Hell Darth Nihilus technically could just instantly kill anything that wasn't a wound in the force, sure it's game breaking contrived power, but it's power.
I wholeheartedly agree. I came to make this exact comment, down to the last word.
@Haljordan4life there was only 2 sith in the clone wars.
even sith like darth marr make sidious look pathetic
i assumed the rule of two was a metaphor and not like....literalm
Reading this comment made me realize that the sequel trilogy could have continued not using The First Order but the re-establishment of The Sith Empire instead as Modern Sith decided to disregard Darth Bane's Rule of Two as a way of Self-Preservation of Sith Teachings in case they were wiped out. The new Sith Empire could have begun as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren left Luke's New Jedi Order due to PTSD (Maybe a battle that caused a lot of deaths of his fellow Jedi) and saw the New Republic incapable of bringing Order to the Galaxy thus leaving the Jedi Order for good.
The Old Sith new how to maintain their powerbase. The Rule of Two allowed the Sith to seize control and destroy the Jedi from the shadows, but the point of this rule was to attain power. It offered no insight into maintaining control.
More importantly it gave no insight what this empire would be. Palpatines emorie was nothing but a authoritarian mutation of the galactic republic. The sith empire of Emperor Viciate May have had what we consider the modern imperial athletic but that was added with sith traditions and values and you could say a bit more color a bit of black and red fly around Dromund Kaas Ziost in swtor even though it’s a deviation from Koribban it is undoubtedly feel like ur in a sith empire.
I googled "When does KOTOR 2 take place." and i got this.
Setting. The game takes place five years after the events of Knights of the Old Republic and 4,000 years before Episode I: The Phantom Menace, in a time when the Jedi have been nearly exterminated by the Sith.
For her events of Prequels and Sequels were this many years into the future.
That or i don't know something.
I have a fascination with the old era of multiple Sith Lords serving under one Emperor with their own houses, underlings and machinations.
Imagine if someone like Tenebrae or Nihilus somehow managed to survive and preserve themselves until the modern ages, crawling out of their cave and smacking sith and jedi like insects
Sidious stomps on both of them
@@immaasshole4964 umm sheevs BEST eu feat is nothing compared to vitiates ziost feat...
No ritual, force drained an entire planet and all life on it, from across the galaxy and beyond, while essence transferring himself into literally every single soldier on ziost with the mental fortitude weaker than a jedi council member of the era
Sheev needed a death star, Vitiate WAS a death star.
@TheShqipe98 umm when palps used essence transfer his lifespan shortened with each body
Vitiate was able to essence transfer himself into thousands of bodies at once and continue living for millennia, ziost didnt require a ritual that was his other planet killing feat. Palps feat wise has NOTHING on Vitiate
Palps is scaleable to grandmaster luke
Vitiate is scaleable to fucking Abaloth
@TheShqipe98 feat wise vitiate matches palps in every way. So he cant create life, the fact that he can do things palps struggled with while casuslly sitting in his throne across the galaxy surpasses everything else sheev can do
Vitiate especially after taking the mantle Valkorion does rival Abaloth for the strongest being in star wars
His mere existence drove the strongest jedi to madness, there is not a single feat palps has that matches ziost, the eternal empire, or his 3000 year lifespan
@TheShqipe98 Actually, Vitiate created life three times as Valkorion, through a ritual called sex with his wife.
Emperor: I have durrito shaped spaceships that destroy planets!
Darth Nihilus: That's cute, except I can just absorb planets to become stronger until I can absorb the entire galaxy.
Emperor: OH SHIT!
Imagine if Jedi and Sith didn't forget how to make Force sabers from the Ancient Era through Old Republic Era those Era's would of been way darker
Poet Scotty yes, they would HAVE been way darker.
Gotta love that tulak hord armor
Something I always wondered is which philosophy would create the strongest sith
*The Rule of 2* or *The Rule of 1*
The Rule of 2 would last longer, but the Rule of 1 would force the Sith to answer to one person and should he die, there's no 1 apprentice to take his place. Imo, the Rule that the Sith should have followed is the Rule of Unity.
Darth Traya was right about everything in her last words!!!
Traya was right about almost everything period...
This is the movie I want to see. Give me a stand-alone movie or trilogy about the formation of the Sith and then leading onto the Sith chosen one, not another rehash of the original trilogy.
Both are powerful.However,my favorite are the old republic Sith.
Yes
Tulak is definitely my favorite Sith. Even with little information about him, he's by far the one I take the most interest in simply because he was a so undefeated and feared, it took a backstabbing betrayal to stop him. Vitiate comes next. I also favor Momin for his philosophy and view of the dark side.
Tulak Hord resulted to assassination because he was afraid to fight Aloysius Kallig personally. Consider that.
@@Deatheater4444 Doesn't change my outlook on him. There's a difference between fighting out of fear and killing for strategic purposes.
One of my favorite characters is Kreia. And the only way you can get all her nuances is to play KOTOR2 3 times. Once as pure light side, once as pure dark side, and once as very grey. Her view on everything is so unique, and she points out flaws with Jedi, with Sith, with the fence sitters. She pulls no punches. She actually and truly shares her wisdom hard earned.
@@Deatheater4444 Actually, Tulak Hord and Kallig fought their Kaggath in the outer reaches of the Galaxy, where there is no starlight. After a long and close duel, Hord defeated Kallig, bringing him to his knees. Kallig was later assassinated, but Hord would never kill anyone out of fear. He was a true Sith, and would not be able to live with himself if he didn’t assert dominance over whom he killed
@@Number_99 they did fight each other except the out of the galaxy and no sunlight seems a little like flowery language like palpatine manipulating stars
To be honest everyone makes Kylo look like a noob.
I can't even imagine how, say, Tulak Hord or Darth Marr (the latter being my favorite sith lord) would react to Kylo Ren.
Dan Eyal Kylo ren is such a joke lol
Dan Eyal 🤣. Any sith would look at him and laugh. Even someone like Savage Oppress could beat him!
Gabriel Martinelli wdym Savage Opress Is OP as f”ck!
Sample Text Yeah, but not compared to the likes of Vader and Sidious
I’ve been thinking this for awhile the ancient sithlords really did more in power wise
They had less reserve for bullshit and cut to the chase
Which is a lot very hotheaded and most likely lead to their downfall
A careful thinker doesn’t have to be the most powerful/loudest in the room
*insert smart guy meme*
Lurkai exactly they wasn’t tryna take over the galaxy, I mean they was but I feel they chased power the most
Personally I think way later when the new Sith gained more numbers they were almost unstoppable, they unified and together used force powers that could literally shatter the minds of their opponents also the Sith Troopers were straight bad ass
I read it as shitlords rather than sith lords
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Being alive during the Golden Age of the Sith where the practice of Sith Alchemy was at it's apex would've been very interesting no doubt, but then again, Sidious had amassed much if not most of the combined knowledge of the Sith of the past and had mastered Sith Alchemy aswell, using it in the creation of Vader amongst other things, and the Rule of Two had caused both Sidious and Vader to attain a powerlevel very few Sith of the past could've matched, so I would prefer to live in the Sidious/Vader era. On a sidenote, it's a shame Vader never was much interested in the pursuit of Dark Side knowledge as Sidious and Plagueis were and was more focused on destroying the Jedi, getting revenge on Kenobi and overthrowing Sidious to seize control of the Empire, through Sith Alchemy, he could perhaps not only have found a way to restore himself, but also to become more powerful than Sidious, and to become so much more than any Force wielder in the history of the galaxy instead of being reduced to the crippled cyborg that he was.
@Ms Taylor I like Vader as much as anybody else, but him being a cripple is just the truth, although that isn't to say he didn't manage to become a powerhouse regardless. But the loss of his limbs severely diminished his potential in the Force, by about 40% as stated by Lucas himself, and having to rely on electronics and cybernetics to function and even something as fundamental as to breathe can hardly be considered an improvement, not to mention they made him much slower and less agile than he was before and very vulnerable to Force lightning. The only advantage to his cybernetics were his increased physical strength, which he could've gained through other means, like Sith Alchemy for instance, and maybe the pain they caused him, causing him to grow stronger in the Dark Side. Overall his cybernetics were a hindrance and liability more than anything else.
Vader fell to the dark side because of his emotions, he did what he did because of his love of Padme and after her death and the supposed loss of his unborn child, rage and anger consumed him and on reflection he was a more pure dark force user than really any Sith because he wasn't driven by ambition or power just grief, anger, pain and hatred it's also why when he discovered Sidious lied to him and his children were alive turning back to the light inevitable because the dark side had lost it's grip on him and while Vader did terrible things Anakin was still there just supressed and he was still a good person at heart.
Audio us emassed all of the knowledge that was left, but there was much lost to time.
Lol, yeah right. Is that why he only ever shoots lightning outta of his hands ??? Palpatine's droids and tech saved Vader's body, not his miniscule amt of alchemy.
Nice job on all your vids i have learned so much cool stuff from your channel i wouldnt have known otherwise. It gives the moves and tv shows so much more background. Thanks again
Please keep up the amazing work and giving us great content like this. I look forward to seeing what you produce for us next!
The "Sith" are more interesting than the Jedi.
maxim daniels true
Wrong!The sith is the esence of evil,the garbage of soul,just a person like it can be entusiast of it!
@@gabrielmarinescu8479 so the thousands of different species across the galaxy with each of thier owe belief systems , are just supposed to adhere to your narrow system of beliefs of good and evil.....that's enlightened of you.
I prefer the Dark Jedi.
More interesting but not as cool
The Old Republic Sith Empire is my favorite Sith faction
True Sith or Ancient Sith? Technically both were Empires during the Old Republic.
The Dank One the Sith Empire in SWTOR
@@macwelch8599 Agreed, I replay Korriban and Dromund Kaas purely for the lore aspects every so often (sometimes finish the stories, others not), can be done in a couple of hours. The lore and culture of survival of the strongest is fascinating to me.
I run a star wars table top rpg and your videos are such a great help when figuring out what time period or the scale of power I need to use.
Thank you so much for his video! I really enjoyed it and can clearly see, that a lot of thought and effort was put into his episode! And Yes, I LOVE the Sith!
Feel the Power of The Dark Side!
In the new canon, especially in the comics, Vader is a monstrous unstoppable force. What a noob :)
Katrina Heller and he ain’t even the most powerful. His suit limited his power a lot cuz sidious didn’t want him getting too powerful. And he also lost to Luke which is ridiculous.
TheJayBird he was holding back against Luke but Luke according to George Lucas was the most powerful jedi in history so what’s so rediculous?
@@thejaybird5541 Have you even read any of his comics? Sidious isn't trying to limit Vader. He wants Vader to be powerful.
Okay I don’t acknowledge new Cannon cuz in my opinion it’s dumb asf but that’s my opinion.
Katrina Heller He really isn’t. For some reason *cough feminism cough* women always seem to be better than him in some aspects or they even beat him.
Why did the clips shown have Anakin with a red lightsaber.
Edited anakin vs obi wan fight
Chase Lynch but in the movie he has a blue saber still
It would’ve been neat if he kept Dooku’s lightsaber and used that before it got destroyed.
Artillery Man yeh that would of been sick
@@14TND88 he said "edited anakin vs obi wan fight"
The ancient sith knew about power, Thus the Holocrons. The Dark New Age sith knew about strategy and understanding all aspects but also keeping their identity hidden and only showing off their well rounded skills when necessary, Like a Jedi sentinel, Therefore it makes sense why the sith failed and died, because they could never perfect a being that could handle all aspects of power understanding and patience and Keeping balance between their own bodies and surroundings, the darkside is a beast to powerful to tame one might say, it corrupts till there is nothing left That is why the Jedi survive they found balance In the force The sith followed passion but with a clouded vision, They followed Emotion but emotion like we all know is a wild rollercoaster, always changing, Ever hard to control, That’s why Sidious was mad and insane, I rest my case🤓
...balance in the force is when dark and light are combined...
That’s wha Raven was the strongest power user ever
The most important video about Star Wars I've seen in a while
Can we a get a top 10 list most powerful ancient with lords pls
So basically the sith also went though their own version of order 66
Well Darth Nihilus could essentially absorb an entire planet and it’s people to invigorate himself and Darth Sion was filled with so much hate and rage that he refused to die multiple times. To me if there was a “Dragon Ball” like scouter / power scale it would most likely break the machine or report a “DO NOT ENGAGE, THREAT IMMINENT” warning to stay far away from those 2 specifically.
I think the ancient ones were more powerful due to the more powerful connection they had with the dark side and the knowledge they possessed . There was a reason that the newer sith always sought out the holocrons, teachings, and lore of the ancients.
If I was a sith I would want to be ancient Sith.
Of course there is a definitive "no". Traya was a master of Revan, one of the the greatest Force and lightsaber wielders in history, and she still chose to say that the ancient masters were beyond compare. As the video pointed out, Vitiate was from this Golden Age of the Sith, and he easily manhandled Revan.
on an unrelated note. I like the color swap you did making Anakin's sabre red. Even though it's not canon...having two different colored sabres makes the fight easier to follow.
3:42 who the baddie right there 👀
I think it a Darth Rey fan art. Still good tho 😁
That "dark parody" of the Jedi order would have routed the Jedi order if not for Bane. It's ironic that Bane fancies himself the Sith chosen one considering he's the reason the Sith ruling was set back 1000 years.
True but look what happened in the end the Sith destroyed 99 percent of the jedi order at that point the jedi where no longer a threat and could rule witout complecations
@@qqmar3113 I'd call Luke Skywalker a bit of a complication. A thousand years of planning all for a couple decades worth of rule.
The thing is, Sidious did have knowledge of alchemy and sorcery, he just used it less often than the ancient Sith did. That doesn't mean he was less powerful, it just means he was more frugal with his power.
its a little unfair that the dark side has so many techniques and abilities while the light side only has mild stuff that would not match a sith master in strength and power, yoda said that the dark side is a shortcut to power but how many decades do you have to train and study for a light side practitioner to be on par with the dark lords?
In my eyes Bain was a failure by decreasing the amount of sith and in the long run making the Sith order weaker. By making the rule of two bain heavily decreased the flexibility and the knowledge of the Sith order and buy so weakening it. And by having the rule of two making the sith order easier to destroy as we have seen. What do you think?
I disagree. By the time of Palpatine, he had mastered generations of sith knowledge. And at the same time all forms of lightsaber combat. The old sith were focused on power and war and they died out because of it. Raw strength doesn't beat the jedi. Tricking them does.
@@samuelbishop3316 Really? The rule of two was focused on ONE thing, amassing power. That was it. It never taught or showed how to maintain that power. His Empire lasted for 20 years. That is it.
Ancient Sith ruled over quadrants for hundreds of years to even thousands of years. Creating a culture that was uniquely Sith.
Palpatine failed HORRIBLY. He also wasn't stronger than ancient Sith. Lucas has admitted as much even before he sold the rights. Everyone quotes what he said while it was still early on. When TOR the MMO was commercializing and being presented at cons and such, Lucas was there at times. One of his lines he said to people was "You can finally follow int he footsteps of the ancient Sith. Palpatine was the strongest Sith of the last thousand years but his power pales in comparison to what 'you' will face." Lucas also called the game canon btw. The official storyline that wove through the 8 classes and such...yeah all canon (the storylines never contradict each other either).
This is what happens when people stop following the canon.
Also, don't pick and choose, according to Lucas any novels and such written that refers to any time after The Return of the Jedi are NOT CANON. Those aren't the power levels of the characters, those events never happened. So in these discussions one must treat them as fan fiction.
Facts is, Palpy really wasn't that powerful. He was manipulative and insideous and snake like. He wasn't very powerful though...not in the grand scheme of things. If he was powerful he would have ended them himself, but instead he had to worm his way into the senate and get a clone army made that was brainwashed to follow orders like a religion so that when order 66 was issued they would have no malice. With no malice the Jedi would get no combat sense/awareness and instinctively block. He had trouble with Yoda and Mace...all 3 of them put together couldn't hold a candle tot he ancient Jedi or Sith. That is how weak BOTH orders became with time. The Sith weakened themselves (Palpatine had access to knowledge but he didn't master it, he didn't have enough time to master it all, would take multiple lifetimes) while victory itself defeated the Jedi. Peace made them weak.
@@Nempo13 Yeah well you're not wrong. But what I said was still true, Palpatine had mastered generations of sith knowledge, he just used it differently to them. Hence why the first half of the plan went off flawlessly. The problem was as you say in maintaining power. By exerting excessive control over people you always get push back. Every time.
"Father, tell us how the great empire of the sith started."
"Of course young ones, let's start from the beginning of the sith."
*SWEET HOME ALABAMA STARTS*
I really hope we get a canon counter part of Tales of The Jedi.
Tulak hord vs count dooku would be an awesome lightsaber battle since they were both considered one of the finest duelist of their time.
Malgus vs Vader
It would also make sense that methodology might be the factor to the "power" differences. I see this because the past sith and jedi were looking into and becoming more intouch with the force through exploring it in new ways. Further on into the timeline learners were only taught small fractions of the force in constricted fashion's. In other words these orders stifled an individual's growth through ridged practices
1:37
"The Sith purebloods were around before the Dark Jedi came to the world of Korriban and inbreeding began"
Uhh. . I think you mean crossbreeding.
LOL I lost my shit when he said that 🤣😂🤣😂 hilarious tho
Interbreeding im pretty sure is what was spoken
Yeah axaxax
Exact kun, destroyed the spirit of an ancient Sith Lord, learned sith alchemy, tricked a dark side user to make a sun go super nova, and casually walked into Courascant, I mean........... cmon
justchyll2009 Exar Kun is one of my faves
I think movies about Darth Bain would be awesome
If you really think about it Marka Ragnos chosen sucessor was Vitiate he was hand picked to be the next True Sith Lord and his line of True Sith Lords that survive are Revan/Bane line all the way down to Vader & the Emperor. Most of the other Sith Lord Titles are self given with a some exceptions but their sith line either ended with them or didn't get passed down like Revan did with Bane.
Ancient sith: the new generations are much less powerful than the sith of the golden age!
New Gen sith: *ok boomer*
Darth Nihilus: (Ungodly noises of disembodied words)
What a gay joke.
@@Hitman2acutall ok boomer
@Articus Ramos Nihilus, Revan, and Bane make modern Sith look truly pathetic.
Seth Rios Sidious stomps on all three of them
It's Unfair!
Awesome video.
I vote the Sith Triumvirate, in that era between the golden age and rule of 2 age, they didn’t last long but they were hella powerful and cool looking lol
They were cool, no doubt, but with their tri(polar) leadership I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did 🤣
BlackShogun 27 yea I guess they really weren’t even a triumvirate when they actually started purging lol, Nihilus and Sion banished Trayas patient ass cause fuck bitches, dudes rock I guess
All I'm saying is Palpatine in legends is definitely in at the very, very least top 5 of all sith lords. I mean the guy would literally tear holes in the fabric of space and destroy entire fleets (I think planets too, but I'm not 100% sure) just saying
Darth Sidious was a weak, pathetic fool. Baby Grogu has more power.
I’d definitely choose the golden age.
Nice touch in switching Anakin's lightsaber color to red, but I'm pretty sure it was blue throughout that fight.
How poignant would it have been, over flowing with so much rage for all that he'd gone through, twisting in the wind throughout his entire life and now, that he was cut loose to do as he wanted, he was getting so much done just for Obi-Wan to show up and stand in his way, his lightsaber crystal bled from the pain of their confrontation and turned red during their fight (and part of Obi-Wan in seclusion on Tatooine was healing it, to pass on to Luke)
Hey! I love your videos!
I personally think the ancient sith lords were able to achieve feats that are beyond what the modern sith seem to achieve. The modern sith idea maybe concentrated power more and avoided infighting, but I doubt even Sidious could absorb a whole planet’s worth of energy or could incinerate jedi with his force lightning. There are more practical reasons for the differences between legend and canon, of course.
Also, I thought Khan and his brotherhood used the thought bomb, with Bane merely tricking them into it, knowing that this would be the end of the brotherhood.
Personally I like the Old Sith more but I would not want to be one, or a Rule of Two Sith either. I also would not like to be a Jedi either but if I was a Force-sensitive I would rather try to live a regular as much as possible even if I would likely fail.
It's an interesting question to ask though, would it be better to only have two extremely powerful sith, or an entire order of far weaker ones?
But a lot of the Sith in (Knight of) The Old Republic Era were fairly OP for their ranks under Masters and Lord/Darth. A single Sith Marauder under Vitiate's Sith Empire would kill dozens of Jedi in TCW Era temple before getting wrecked by one of the Jedi Council Members...
The old sith weren't weak. Many of them will eat the modern sith for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
@@thecrusaderhistorian9820 And yet they died and Palpatine gained near undisputed control of the entire galaxy. The with needed to change if they wanted to win. They needed not just to be strong but also cunning.
@@samuelbishop3316 They were both strong and cunning. The jedi just had a spine back then.
Tulak Hord's armor looks straight up amazing
I wish they would make a movie or series about the ancient era and the old republic that would be awesome
Ancient Sith Lord: You're weak.
Modern Sith Lord: Ok Boomer.
@@maul8384 no, that game is cancer and it can burn.
Tenath Zeckron only the 12 year old fortnite kids say boomer like U
@@maul8384 unfortunately, firstly, your statement is invalid. Secondly use correct grammar. And thirdly, if you're going to insult me, do it right.
Tenath Zeckron it’s correct you just mad and imagine using correct grammar on CZcams what a clown
You are sad that you suck at everything and think your funny but post cringe stuff
@@tenathzeckron I hope I rid of him for you, as I couldn't sit idly by and watch this disgrace of a human think he was better than you, for you appear to be able to use your brain how it was intended to be used.
Answer: Because the modern Sith *are* noobs compared to the ancient Sith.
What is the clip starting at 7:28 from? The one with the one Jedi fighting two sith
Tulak hord Is like: "Bro I'm like the God of the lightsaber"
He is though.
This is Outrageous!
Palpatine is one of the greatest sith lords to have ever lived, he doesn't look like a noob by any stretch of the imagination, arguably the greatest, possibly except for Valkorion
they were the closest ones to come near the same power of the old ones but still mere toddlers in terms of power.
Palpatine is overhyped. 20-year empire undone by a noob boy and undone again by a noob girl.
Darth sion, would reck palpatine,
@@vortiger5035 And Tulok Hord, and Revan, and Valkorion
AVNgn yeah
idk why but that edit with anakin fighting obi wan with the red lightsaber makes me wish they showed his lightsaber corrupting to red as he went down the dark path in the movie, that would have been badass
How come your background videos show the episode 3 duel but with anakin wielding a red light Saber? He had a blue one.
*Modern Sith Lord wants to know your location*
Is it me or is the sith emperor one of the best sith
Yuuupp I feel u
Pls make a vid of all canon sith lords(up to 2020)
where is that "intro cinematic" footage from with the tag team battle?
Imagine a movie made where they have to go back in time to battle the ancient sith and prevent them from ever existing, saving countless lives.
The Old Republic Sith characters are sooo much cooler and their stories are so much better. Even a minor character like Darth Malgus... literally walks through the Jedi Temple's front door and just starts slaying Jedi.. Don't think Palpatine could handle that.
i think vader's armour is based on darth malgus's palpatine admired malgus's power and leadership
but see thats the problem with the old fashion sith way of kill them all, it didint work out in the end so it took someone exactly like old palpy to be big brain enough to not just defeat them on the field of battle but as a whole witch he did but i do agree with you having a sith just pull up to the temple and start a gang war is much more cooler
Malgus had to be the Vader of the Old Republic era. He didn't bother with stealth or secrecy, he waltzed right in and started murdering people left and right. He was a accomplish battlefield commander, a highly skilled duelist, and extraordinarily strong in the Dark Side of the Force. That and he too killed his wife, so there's that too.... the prick.
Darth Vader could literally crush the old republic sith. He was the chosen one after all, he was the best duelist too.
Maybe, but considering that his Armor suppressed his connection to the Force to keep him from being too strong for Sidious to control, Sith Lords like Darth Marr, Darth Malgus and the Emperor's Wrath, wouldn't have too much trouble with him. Now if his armor hadn't been designed to stunt his powers, then Hell yes, even the Old Republic Sith would have one hell of a time getting rid of Darth Vader
Where did you get that clip of obi wan and anakin fighting?? I don’t remember seeing that in episode III
For years I've been wanting a movie series or TV series of the old republic and the sith of that era